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00:02:16,715\n而且預期繳納又有滯納金的一個問題部長您當時的回覆是講說你會喊請各縣市政府把這個整個內容跟各縣市政府你會發文請縣市政府要重視這個問題會跟各縣市政府來講清楚那我第一個問題想請教部長的就是說這一個文已經發給各縣市政府了嗎\n\n7\n00:02:18,137 --> 00:02:21,800\n這個禮拜就會發也就是說對於新北市政府在認定上的起義這個部分我們這個禮拜這週一定會發出去剛剛委員所提到就是說當然房屋稅今年開增新制以後\n\n8\n00:02:33,408 --> 00:02:45,771\n的一些現象譬如台北市的狀況他也及時處理因為加速資料的一個問題那新北在認定上因為他過去也沒有實施過縣市歸戶所以今年這一次的歸戶造成他那個公共設施有單獨權狀的部分他把它當作非住宅來適用所以這個部分我們也趕快會做處理這個禮拜就會做處理\n\n9\n00:02:56,613 --> 00:03:20,885\n另外還有委員提到有關稅率2.6這個部分我們必須要說明在房屋稅2.0這個制度裡面就有含有就是說如果你持有多戶而又沒有做有效運用的話那這個部分稅率是會增加而且是全國歸戶這個是當時在立法的時候就有這樣的一個制度設計最主要就是第一個就是對持有多戶者持有稅的率過低\n\n10\n00:03:21,425 --> 00:03:36,754\n所以才這一次在我們2.0的稅制改革上裡面做了這樣的調整那至於有關資料的問題或是認定歧義的問題我們都會一直努力來做處理只要發現我們就做一致性的處理我想這個部分謝謝委員的提示謝謝\n\n11\n00:03:37,834 --> 00:03:53,584\n我想部長你剛才提到這個是囤房稅的修訂當然這個我們都了解但是我們也看到說這個政府制定這個政策其實簽一法而動全身就是說這個涉及條款\n\n12\n00:03:54,565 --> 00:04:14,879\n它是否影響到說民眾的任意遷徙基本的權利就憲法上我們有遷徙自由的權利因為為了要適用房屋自住稅率符合法定要件就要涉戶籍這件事情真的已經是搞得妻離子散了\n\n13\n00:04:15,820 --> 00:04:33,040\n夫妻就是夫妻子女為了要設計為了要在這個他購得的房子裡面去設計妻離子散有這樣的一個問題所以真的要這樣搞嗎我希望財政部還是要做滾動式的檢討\n\n14\n00:04:34,662 --> 00:04:54,272\n因為這個稅例實施的時候如果是為了打房同房稅的問題那整個我們這個政策推動之後有整個影響到我們整個房市的這個有抑制房市的一個上漲嗎這個可能你們也要去考慮一下\n\n15\n00:04:55,495 --> 00:05:18,162\n房市的上漲的問題因素很多包含資金的充沛的問題以及民眾預期的心理等等有諸多因素那在這個部分我們是就稅的部分因為有各種方式那其中這一個就是讓房屋就是降低這個囤房的一個所以我說是不是有達到真的遏止囤房這樣子一個政策的一個目標\n\n16\n00:05:23,888 --> 00:05:34,341\n我剛才提到的這個似乎會遷移反而動全身嘛會造成很多的民眾為了達到自助稅率然後他們就是去涉戶籍的一個問題嘛OK\n\n17\n00:05:37,283 --> 00:06:05,758\n謝謝委員長另外我也想很多民眾疑惑一個問題就是說民眾為了讓孩子就學的問題會將孩子的護護籍寄放在這個學區的親友家裡面但是房屋稅2.0的薪資剩入借親友來涉及的情況他可能會被認定有住任關係導致他的自住房被認定為非自住就是因為他把他的房子借親友來涉及\n\n18\n00:06:06,678 --> 00:06:29,798\n他的稅率就會升高所以這種非實質的租賃關係只是供親友來寄放戶籍如何申報才不會影響到他的一個房屋的一個稅率這個部長可不可以跟民眾來這個示意一下要如何申報不能涉及到基增食物是不是請副稅屬署長來回應\n\n19\n00:06:32,233 --> 00:06:53,071\n跟委員報告如果今天只是建家設戶籍他並沒有實際有租用契約沒有所謂的實際收租金他竊竊說他確實沒有這種事實我們還是會當作沒有就算他還是自主這樣所以他只要像我們的各地的各縣市的國稅那個稅務局稅務局稅務局稅務局稅務局\n\n20\n00:06:54,552 --> 00:07:02,165\n來去填寫就是沒有事實上沒有無人這個租賃關係就沒有租賃關係的一個結局書就可以了好謝謝\n\n21\n00:07:07,677 --> 00:07:24,001\n那我想剩餘一點點時間我繼續來問部長昨天賴總統在520的周年談話中提到現在是成立主權基金非常理想的時刻並提到要將這主權基金連結AI時代的一個主要目標市場\n\n22\n00:07:28,442 --> 00:07:48,389\n是不是意味著主權基金的成立已經不是我們現在不是紙上彈兵喔政府現在的是一定要做是勢在必行是不是這樣跟委員報告有關主權基金設置這個部分行政院會邀同國發會央行以及財主單位等一起會來研議規劃討論\n\n23\n00:07:51,206 --> 00:08:13,540\n不是在紙上糖冰我現在問你是不是一定就會在今年就會有一個初步的一個規劃的一個結果就會出來也就剛剛跟委員說明行政院會要同相關部會一起來做討論跟研議規劃所以今年一定就會做嗎這個時程上我可能沒有辦法跟委員做具體的說明是我想其實部長主權基金\n\n24\n00:08:15,542 --> 00:08:39,363\n剛剛我們很多人也提到就是說他這個要成立涉及到就是要定專法還有專責機構還有第三方的一個監督機構基金的裁員這幾個因素都要把它考量進去但是我們看到昨天總統宣布說要成立這個AI的主權基金所以這是不是跟目前我們在談判的對等關稅的問題有關\n\n25\n00:08:42,608 --> 00:08:45,413\n我一直強調說要成立AI主權基金啊\n\n26\n00:08:48,125 --> 00:09:12,131\n對等關稅的談判目前都是由行政院的正副院長在領導相關的團隊OTM他們在做研討是部長你是部長對這個相關的意見他也是問你啊所以為什麼要特別強調成立了AI主權基金就是好像這個主權基金未來就是要投資AI產業\n\n27\n00:09:15,646 --> 00:09:20,228\n總統的意思是不是這樣都沒有遵循過你就直接拋出這樣一個說法這個部分我覺得這個後續應該會再來做討論來看怎麼樣的一個訂定是\n\n28\n00:09:27,850 --> 00:09:53,566\n其實我們想說各國的政府的主權基金他投資的項目當然他要投資用主權基金投資要對他自己獲益要有獲利的對他的投資的國家的利益是有關的一定是要讓他的基金投資出去之後對他的國家利益是非常重要的而且要有很好的一個收益\n\n29\n00:09:54,687 --> 00:10:00,563\n所以我們台積電似乎以我們國家的台積電好像很多國外的主權基金也有投資\n\n30\n00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:24,492\n當然主權基金的設置第一個就是要創造財富為國家增加財源所以如同剛剛委員講未來第一個我們的投資的項目還有有關它的規模以及它如何的監管這都需要設置專法未來再做一個周延的規劃然後落入專法裡面\n\n31\n00:10:26,733 --> 00:10:42,080\n那民眾也可以完全了解所以我們就是未來也不限於只投資AI產業而已這當然相關的只要是跟我們認為說這個投資報酬率會很高而且也符合我們的國家利益我們就會去投資嘛\n\n32\n00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:58,485\n我想這個部分未來在投資項目的部分因為我剛剛為什麼要問你說是不是跟對等談判有關我們知道台積電現在要到美國投資是不是未來我們如果成立主權基金我們也會投資在美國成立的台積電這部分我不知道有沒有討論到這個部分是謝謝\n\n33\n00:11:09,262 --> 00:11:13,308\n好謝謝李世民委員的資訊下一位王世堅委員請\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2148\t23115\t委員好部長好部長我想今年是我們同房稅2.0上路後首年的申報那針對自住房屋的新增稅及條款財政部也放寬規定6月2號前都可以申請涉及來補漏洞但是我們看到各地方政府計發稅單後\n26016\t38041\t卻讓我們看到引發的整個房屋稅之亂有民眾發現自住的房屋被認定為非自住稅率直接從1.2%暴增到2.6%導致我們許多的民眾炸鍋有暴增到2.6%的\n46741\t62627\t那要求地方稅務局要重算而且要更新稅單那麼對於為何會有這種情況發生的原因部長您在5月15日的回應是認為因為今年首度開增\n64127\t85979\t會發生我們地方政府錯誤的一個認定的一個情況那財政部未來會持續的收集各方的意見並以整體徵收完成後來重新的做檢討那麼至於已經收到稅單的民眾台北市已經重新開稅單就可以拿新的稅單來延後繳納\n89689\t108906\t當日也有委員問到說這是全國都有的問題不是說只有新北的問題不應該不一致所以是不是所有的地方政府都會遇到民眾來申訴的時候會重新開稅單民眾會有疑問\n110547\t136715\t而且預期繳納又有滯納金的一個問題部長您當時的回覆是講說你會喊請各縣市政府把這個整個內容跟各縣市政府你會發文請縣市政府要重視這個問題會跟各縣市政府來講清楚那我第一個問題想請教部長的就是說這一個文已經發給各縣市政府了嗎\n138137\t141800\t這個禮拜就會發也就是說對於新北市政府在認定上的起義這個部分我們這個禮拜這週一定會發出去剛剛委員所提到就是說當然房屋稅今年開增新制以後\n153408\t165771\t的一些現象譬如台北市的狀況他也及時處理因為加速資料的一個問題那新北在認定上因為他過去也沒有實施過縣市歸戶所以今年這一次的歸戶造成他那個公共設施有單獨權狀的部分他把它當作非住宅來適用所以這個部分我們也趕快會做處理這個禮拜就會做處理\n176613\t200885\t另外還有委員提到有關稅率2.6這個部分我們必須要說明在房屋稅2.0這個制度裡面就有含有就是說如果你持有多戶而又沒有做有效運用的話那這個部分稅率是會增加而且是全國歸戶這個是當時在立法的時候就有這樣的一個制度設計最主要就是第一個就是對持有多戶者持有稅的率過低\n201425\t216754\t所以才這一次在我們2.0的稅制改革上裡面做了這樣的調整那至於有關資料的問題或是認定歧義的問題我們都會一直努力來做處理只要發現我們就做一致性的處理我想這個部分謝謝委員的提示 謝謝\n217834\t233584\t我想部長你剛才提到這個是囤房稅的修訂當然這個我們都了解但是我們也看到說這個政府制定這個政策其實簽一法而動全身就是說這個涉及條款\n234565\t254879\t它是否影響到說民眾的任意遷徙基本的權利就憲法上我們有遷徙自由的權利因為為了要適用房屋自住稅率符合法定要件就要涉戶籍這件事情真的已經是搞得妻離子散了\n255820\t273040\t夫妻就是夫妻子女為了要設計為了要在這個他購得的房子裡面去設計妻離子散有這樣的一個問題所以真的要這樣搞嗎我希望財政部還是要做滾動式的檢討\n274662\t294272\t因為這個稅例實施的時候如果是為了打房同房稅的問題那整個我們這個政策推動之後有整個影響到我們整個房市的這個有抑制房市的一個上漲嗎這個可能你們也要去考慮一下\n295495\t318162\t房市的上漲的問題因素很多包含資金的充沛的問題以及民眾預期的心理等等有諸多因素那在這個部分我們是就稅的部分因為有各種方式那其中這一個就是讓房屋就是降低這個囤房的一個所以我說是不是有達到真的遏止囤房這樣子一個政策的一個目標\n323888\t334341\t我剛才提到的這個似乎會遷移反而動全身嘛會造成很多的民眾為了達到自助稅率然後他們就是去涉戶籍的一個問題嘛OK\n337283\t365758\t謝謝委員長另外我也想很多民眾疑惑一個問題就是說民眾為了讓孩子就學的問題會將孩子的護護籍寄放在這個學區的親友家裡面但是房屋稅2.0的薪資剩入借親友來涉及的情況他可能會被認定有住任關係導致他的自住房被認定為非自住就是因為他把他的房子借親友來涉及\n366678\t389798\t他的稅率就會升高所以這種非實質的租賃關係只是供親友來寄放戶籍如何申報才不會影響到他的一個房屋的一個稅率這個部長可不可以跟民眾來這個示意一下要如何申報不能涉及到基增食物是不是請副稅屬署長來回應\n392233\t413071\t跟委員報告 如果今天只是建家設戶籍他並沒有實際有租用契約 沒有所謂的實際收租金他竊竊說他確實沒有這種事實我們還是會當作沒有 就算他還是自主這樣所以他只要像我們的各地的各縣市的國稅那個稅務局稅務局稅務局稅務局稅務局\n414552\t422165\t來去填寫就是沒有事實上沒有無人這個租賃關係就沒有租賃關係的一個結局書就可以了好 謝謝\n427677\t444001\t那我想剩餘一點點時間我繼續來問部長昨天賴總統在520的周年談話中提到現在是成立主權基金非常理想的時刻並提到要將這主權基金連結AI時代的一個主要目標市場\n448442\t468389\t是不是意味著主權基金的成立已經不是我們現在不是紙上彈兵喔政府現在的是一定要做是勢在必行是不是這樣跟委員報告有關主權基金設置這個部分行政院會邀同國發會央行以及財主單位等一起會來研議規劃討論\n471206\t493540\t不是在紙上糖冰 我現在問你是不是一定就會在今年就會有一個初步的一個規劃的一個結果就會出來也就剛剛跟委員說明 行政院會要同相關部會一起來做討論跟研議規劃所以今年一定就會做嗎這個時程上我可能沒有辦法跟委員做具體的說明是 我想其實部長 主權基金\n495542\t519363\t剛剛我們很多人也提到就是說他這個要成立涉及到就是要定專法還有專責機構還有第三方的一個監督機構基金的裁員這幾個因素都要把它考量進去但是我們看到昨天總統宣布說要成立這個AI的主權基金所以這是不是跟目前我們在談判的對等關稅的問題有關\n522608\t525413\t我一直強調說要成立AI主權基金啊\n528125\t552131\t對等關稅的談判目前都是由行政院的正副院長在領導相關的團隊OTM他們在做研討是部長你是部長對這個相關的意見他也是問你啊所以為什麼要特別強調成立了AI主權基金就是好像這個主權基金未來就是要投資AI產業\n555646\t560228\t總統的意思是不是這樣都沒有遵循過你就直接拋出這樣一個說法這個部分我覺得這個後續應該會再來做討論來看怎麼樣的一個訂定是\n567850\t593566\t其實我們想說各國的政府的主權基金他投資的項目當然他要投資用主權基金投資要對他自己獲益要有獲利的對他的投資的國家的利益是有關的一定是要讓他的基金投資出去之後對他的國家利益是非常重要的而且要有很好的一個收益\n594687\t600563\t所以我們台積電似乎以我們國家的台積電好像很多國外的主權基金也有投資\n603080\t624492\t當然主權基金的設置第一個就是要創造財富為國家增加財源所以如同剛剛委員講未來第一個我們的投資的項目還有有關它的規模以及它如何的監管這都需要設置專法未來再做一個周延的規劃然後落入專法裡面\n626733\t642080\t那民眾也可以完全了解所以我們就是未來也不限於只投資AI產業而已這當然相關的只要是跟我們認為說這個投資報酬率會很高而且也符合我們的國家利益我們就會去投資嘛\n642900\t658485\t我想這個部分未來在投資項目的部分因為我剛剛為什麼要問你說是不是跟對等談判有關我們知道台積電現在要到美國投資是不是未來我們如果成立主權基金我們也會投資在美國成立的台積電這部分我不知道有沒有討論到這個部分是謝謝\n669262\t673308\t好 謝謝李世民委員的資訊 下一位王世堅委員請\n","txt":"委員好部長好部長我想今年是我們同房稅2.0上路後首年的申報那針對自住房屋的新增稅及條款財政部也放寬規定6月2號前都可以申請涉及來補漏洞但是我們看到各地方政府計發稅單後\n卻讓我們看到引發的整個房屋稅之亂有民眾發現自住的房屋被認定為非自住稅率直接從1.2%暴增到2.6%導致我們許多的民眾炸鍋有暴增到2.6%的\n那要求地方稅務局要重算而且要更新稅單那麼對於為何會有這種情況發生的原因部長您在5月15日的回應是認為因為今年首度開增\n會發生我們地方政府錯誤的一個認定的一個情況那財政部未來會持續的收集各方的意見並以整體徵收完成後來重新的做檢討那麼至於已經收到稅單的民眾台北市已經重新開稅單就可以拿新的稅單來延後繳納\n當日也有委員問到說這是全國都有的問題不是說只有新北的問題不應該不一致所以是不是所有的地方政府都會遇到民眾來申訴的時候會重新開稅單民眾會有疑問\n而且預期繳納又有滯納金的一個問題部長您當時的回覆是講說你會喊請各縣市政府把這個整個內容跟各縣市政府你會發文請縣市政府要重視這個問題會跟各縣市政府來講清楚那我第一個問題想請教部長的就是說這一個文已經發給各縣市政府了嗎\n這個禮拜就會發也就是說對於新北市政府在認定上的起義這個部分我們這個禮拜這週一定會發出去剛剛委員所提到就是說當然房屋稅今年開增新制以後\n的一些現象譬如台北市的狀況他也及時處理因為加速資料的一個問題那新北在認定上因為他過去也沒有實施過縣市歸戶所以今年這一次的歸戶造成他那個公共設施有單獨權狀的部分他把它當作非住宅來適用所以這個部分我們也趕快會做處理這個禮拜就會做處理\n另外還有委員提到有關稅率2.6這個部分我們必須要說明在房屋稅2.0這個制度裡面就有含有就是說如果你持有多戶而又沒有做有效運用的話那這個部分稅率是會增加而且是全國歸戶這個是當時在立法的時候就有這樣的一個制度設計最主要就是第一個就是對持有多戶者持有稅的率過低\n所以才這一次在我們2.0的稅制改革上裡面做了這樣的調整那至於有關資料的問題或是認定歧義的問題我們都會一直努力來做處理只要發現我們就做一致性的處理我想這個部分謝謝委員的提示 謝謝\n我想部長你剛才提到這個是囤房稅的修訂當然這個我們都了解但是我們也看到說這個政府制定這個政策其實簽一法而動全身就是說這個涉及條款\n它是否影響到說民眾的任意遷徙基本的權利就憲法上我們有遷徙自由的權利因為為了要適用房屋自住稅率符合法定要件就要涉戶籍這件事情真的已經是搞得妻離子散了\n夫妻就是夫妻子女為了要設計為了要在這個他購得的房子裡面去設計妻離子散有這樣的一個問題所以真的要這樣搞嗎我希望財政部還是要做滾動式的檢討\n因為這個稅例實施的時候如果是為了打房同房稅的問題那整個我們這個政策推動之後有整個影響到我們整個房市的這個有抑制房市的一個上漲嗎這個可能你們也要去考慮一下\n房市的上漲的問題因素很多包含資金的充沛的問題以及民眾預期的心理等等有諸多因素那在這個部分我們是就稅的部分因為有各種方式那其中這一個就是讓房屋就是降低這個囤房的一個所以我說是不是有達到真的遏止囤房這樣子一個政策的一個目標\n我剛才提到的這個似乎會遷移反而動全身嘛會造成很多的民眾為了達到自助稅率然後他們就是去涉戶籍的一個問題嘛OK\n謝謝委員長另外我也想很多民眾疑惑一個問題就是說民眾為了讓孩子就學的問題會將孩子的護護籍寄放在這個學區的親友家裡面但是房屋稅2.0的薪資剩入借親友來涉及的情況他可能會被認定有住任關係導致他的自住房被認定為非自住就是因為他把他的房子借親友來涉及\n他的稅率就會升高所以這種非實質的租賃關係只是供親友來寄放戶籍如何申報才不會影響到他的一個房屋的一個稅率這個部長可不可以跟民眾來這個示意一下要如何申報不能涉及到基增食物是不是請副稅屬署長來回應\n跟委員報告 如果今天只是建家設戶籍他並沒有實際有租用契約 沒有所謂的實際收租金他竊竊說他確實沒有這種事實我們還是會當作沒有 就算他還是自主這樣所以他只要像我們的各地的各縣市的國稅那個稅務局稅務局稅務局稅務局稅務局\n來去填寫就是沒有事實上沒有無人這個租賃關係就沒有租賃關係的一個結局書就可以了好 謝謝\n那我想剩餘一點點時間我繼續來問部長昨天賴總統在520的周年談話中提到現在是成立主權基金非常理想的時刻並提到要將這主權基金連結AI時代的一個主要目標市場\n是不是意味著主權基金的成立已經不是我們現在不是紙上彈兵喔政府現在的是一定要做是勢在必行是不是這樣跟委員報告有關主權基金設置這個部分行政院會邀同國發會央行以及財主單位等一起會來研議規劃討論\n不是在紙上糖冰 我現在問你是不是一定就會在今年就會有一個初步的一個規劃的一個結果就會出來也就剛剛跟委員說明 行政院會要同相關部會一起來做討論跟研議規劃所以今年一定就會做嗎這個時程上我可能沒有辦法跟委員做具體的說明是 我想其實部長 主權基金\n剛剛我們很多人也提到就是說他這個要成立涉及到就是要定專法還有專責機構還有第三方的一個監督機構基金的裁員這幾個因素都要把它考量進去但是我們看到昨天總統宣布說要成立這個AI的主權基金所以這是不是跟目前我們在談判的對等關稅的問題有關\n我一直強調說要成立AI主權基金啊\n對等關稅的談判目前都是由行政院的正副院長在領導相關的團隊OTM他們在做研討是部長你是部長對這個相關的意見他也是問你啊所以為什麼要特別強調成立了AI主權基金就是好像這個主權基金未來就是要投資AI產業\n總統的意思是不是這樣都沒有遵循過你就直接拋出這樣一個說法這個部分我覺得這個後續應該會再來做討論來看怎麼樣的一個訂定是\n其實我們想說各國的政府的主權基金他投資的項目當然他要投資用主權基金投資要對他自己獲益要有獲利的對他的投資的國家的利益是有關的一定是要讓他的基金投資出去之後對他的國家利益是非常重要的而且要有很好的一個收益\n所以我們台積電似乎以我們國家的台積電好像很多國外的主權基金也有投資\n當然主權基金的設置第一個就是要創造財富為國家增加財源所以如同剛剛委員講未來第一個我們的投資的項目還有有關它的規模以及它如何的監管這都需要設置專法未來再做一個周延的規劃然後落入專法裡面\n那民眾也可以完全了解所以我們就是未來也不限於只投資AI產業而已這當然相關的只要是跟我們認為說這個投資報酬率會很高而且也符合我們的國家利益我們就會去投資嘛\n我想這個部分未來在投資項目的部分因為我剛剛為什麼要問你說是不是跟對等談判有關我們知道台積電現在要到美國投資是不是未來我們如果成立主權基金我們也會投資在美國成立的台積電這部分我不知道有沒有討論到這個部分是謝謝\n好 謝謝李世民委員的資訊 下一位王世堅委員請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.148 --> 00:23.115\n委員好部長好部長我想今年是我們同房稅2.0上路後首年的申報那針對自住房屋的新增稅及條款財政部也放寬規定6月2號前都可以申請涉及來補漏洞但是我們看到各地方政府計發稅單後\n\n00:26.016 --> 00:38.041\n卻讓我們看到引發的整個房屋稅之亂有民眾發現自住的房屋被認定為非自住稅率直接從1.2%暴增到2.6%導致我們許多的民眾炸鍋有暴增到2.6%的\n\n00:46.741 --> 01:02.627\n那要求地方稅務局要重算而且要更新稅單那麼對於為何會有這種情況發生的原因部長您在5月15日的回應是認為因為今年首度開增\n\n01:04.127 --> 01:25.979\n會發生我們地方政府錯誤的一個認定的一個情況那財政部未來會持續的收集各方的意見並以整體徵收完成後來重新的做檢討那麼至於已經收到稅單的民眾台北市已經重新開稅單就可以拿新的稅單來延後繳納\n\n01:29.689 --> 01:48.906\n當日也有委員問到說這是全國都有的問題不是說只有新北的問題不應該不一致所以是不是所有的地方政府都會遇到民眾來申訴的時候會重新開稅單民眾會有疑問\n\n01:50.547 --> 02:16.715\n而且預期繳納又有滯納金的一個問題部長您當時的回覆是講說你會喊請各縣市政府把這個整個內容跟各縣市政府你會發文請縣市政府要重視這個問題會跟各縣市政府來講清楚那我第一個問題想請教部長的就是說這一個文已經發給各縣市政府了嗎\n\n02:18.137 --> 02:21.800\n這個禮拜就會發也就是說對於新北市政府在認定上的起義這個部分我們這個禮拜這週一定會發出去剛剛委員所提到就是說當然房屋稅今年開增新制以後\n\n02:33.408 --> 02:45.771\n的一些現象譬如台北市的狀況他也及時處理因為加速資料的一個問題那新北在認定上因為他過去也沒有實施過縣市歸戶所以今年這一次的歸戶造成他那個公共設施有單獨權狀的部分他把它當作非住宅來適用所以這個部分我們也趕快會做處理這個禮拜就會做處理\n\n02:56.613 --> 03:20.885\n另外還有委員提到有關稅率2.6這個部分我們必須要說明在房屋稅2.0這個制度裡面就有含有就是說如果你持有多戶而又沒有做有效運用的話那這個部分稅率是會增加而且是全國歸戶這個是當時在立法的時候就有這樣的一個制度設計最主要就是第一個就是對持有多戶者持有稅的率過低\n\n03:21.425 --> 03:36.754\n所以才這一次在我們2.0的稅制改革上裡面做了這樣的調整那至於有關資料的問題或是認定歧義的問題我們都會一直努力來做處理只要發現我們就做一致性的處理我想這個部分謝謝委員的提示謝謝\n\n03:37.834 --> 03:53.584\n我想部長你剛才提到這個是囤房稅的修訂當然這個我們都了解但是我們也看到說這個政府制定這個政策其實簽一法而動全身就是說這個涉及條款\n\n03:54.565 --> 04:14.879\n它是否影響到說民眾的任意遷徙基本的權利就憲法上我們有遷徙自由的權利因為為了要適用房屋自住稅率符合法定要件就要涉戶籍這件事情真的已經是搞得妻離子散了\n\n04:15.820 --> 04:33.040\n夫妻就是夫妻子女為了要設計為了要在這個他購得的房子裡面去設計妻離子散有這樣的一個問題所以真的要這樣搞嗎我希望財政部還是要做滾動式的檢討\n\n04:34.662 --> 04:54.272\n因為這個稅例實施的時候如果是為了打房同房稅的問題那整個我們這個政策推動之後有整個影響到我們整個房市的這個有抑制房市的一個上漲嗎這個可能你們也要去考慮一下\n\n04:55.495 --> 05:18.162\n房市的上漲的問題因素很多包含資金的充沛的問題以及民眾預期的心理等等有諸多因素那在這個部分我們是就稅的部分因為有各種方式那其中這一個就是讓房屋就是降低這個囤房的一個所以我說是不是有達到真的遏止囤房這樣子一個政策的一個目標\n\n05:23.888 --> 05:34.341\n我剛才提到的這個似乎會遷移反而動全身嘛會造成很多的民眾為了達到自助稅率然後他們就是去涉戶籍的一個問題嘛OK\n\n05:37.283 --> 06:05.758\n謝謝委員長另外我也想很多民眾疑惑一個問題就是說民眾為了讓孩子就學的問題會將孩子的護護籍寄放在這個學區的親友家裡面但是房屋稅2.0的薪資剩入借親友來涉及的情況他可能會被認定有住任關係導致他的自住房被認定為非自住就是因為他把他的房子借親友來涉及\n\n06:06.678 --> 06:29.798\n他的稅率就會升高所以這種非實質的租賃關係只是供親友來寄放戶籍如何申報才不會影響到他的一個房屋的一個稅率這個部長可不可以跟民眾來這個示意一下要如何申報不能涉及到基增食物是不是請副稅屬署長來回應\n\n06:32.233 --> 06:53.071\n跟委員報告如果今天只是建家設戶籍他並沒有實際有租用契約沒有所謂的實際收租金他竊竊說他確實沒有這種事實我們還是會當作沒有就算他還是自主這樣所以他只要像我們的各地的各縣市的國稅那個稅務局稅務局稅務局稅務局稅務局\n\n06:54.552 --> 07:02.165\n來去填寫就是沒有事實上沒有無人這個租賃關係就沒有租賃關係的一個結局書就可以了好謝謝\n\n07:07.677 --> 07:24.001\n那我想剩餘一點點時間我繼續來問部長昨天賴總統在520的周年談話中提到現在是成立主權基金非常理想的時刻並提到要將這主權基金連結AI時代的一個主要目標市場\n\n07:28.442 --> 07:48.389\n是不是意味著主權基金的成立已經不是我們現在不是紙上彈兵喔政府現在的是一定要做是勢在必行是不是這樣跟委員報告有關主權基金設置這個部分行政院會邀同國發會央行以及財主單位等一起會來研議規劃討論\n\n07:51.206 --> 08:13.540\n不是在紙上糖冰我現在問你是不是一定就會在今年就會有一個初步的一個規劃的一個結果就會出來也就剛剛跟委員說明行政院會要同相關部會一起來做討論跟研議規劃所以今年一定就會做嗎這個時程上我可能沒有辦法跟委員做具體的說明是我想其實部長主權基金\n\n08:15.542 --> 08:39.363\n剛剛我們很多人也提到就是說他這個要成立涉及到就是要定專法還有專責機構還有第三方的一個監督機構基金的裁員這幾個因素都要把它考量進去但是我們看到昨天總統宣布說要成立這個AI的主權基金所以這是不是跟目前我們在談判的對等關稅的問題有關\n\n08:42.608 --> 08:45.413\n我一直強調說要成立AI主權基金啊\n\n08:48.125 --> 09:12.131\n對等關稅的談判目前都是由行政院的正副院長在領導相關的團隊OTM他們在做研討是部長你是部長對這個相關的意見他也是問你啊所以為什麼要特別強調成立了AI主權基金就是好像這個主權基金未來就是要投資AI產業\n\n09:15.646 --> 09:20.228\n總統的意思是不是這樣都沒有遵循過你就直接拋出這樣一個說法這個部分我覺得這個後續應該會再來做討論來看怎麼樣的一個訂定是\n\n09:27.850 --> 09:53.566\n其實我們想說各國的政府的主權基金他投資的項目當然他要投資用主權基金投資要對他自己獲益要有獲利的對他的投資的國家的利益是有關的一定是要讓他的基金投資出去之後對他的國家利益是非常重要的而且要有很好的一個收益\n\n09:54.687 --> 10:00.563\n所以我們台積電似乎以我們國家的台積電好像很多國外的主權基金也有投資\n\n10:03.080 --> 10:24.492\n當然主權基金的設置第一個就是要創造財富為國家增加財源所以如同剛剛委員講未來第一個我們的投資的項目還有有關它的規模以及它如何的監管這都需要設置專法未來再做一個周延的規劃然後落入專法裡面\n\n10:26.733 --> 10:42.080\n那民眾也可以完全了解所以我們就是未來也不限於只投資AI產業而已這當然相關的只要是跟我們認為說這個投資報酬率會很高而且也符合我們的國家利益我們就會去投資嘛\n\n10:42.900 --> 10:58.485\n我想這個部分未來在投資項目的部分因為我剛剛為什麼要問你說是不是跟對等談判有關我們知道台積電現在要到美國投資是不是未來我們如果成立主權基金我們也會投資在美國成立的台積電這部分我不知道有沒有討論到這個部分是謝謝\n\n11:09.262 --> 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