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00:02:28,892\n現在日本這邊專家是說他們帶他回去因為竹坡那邊大學那邊有他的一個行政程序那他們把行政程序給完成了那就會儘速的還回應我們我們這邊也會來持續的追蹤竹坡大概是5月13、14來台嘛對不對但是因為我們赴日的時候是5月8號到15號是去年\n\n8\n00:02:40,375 --> 00:03:00,768\n我們復任是去年所以已經一年過去了我們都很期待MOU可以趕快簽訂既然珠波已經來了也完成了一部分的一些資料帶回去走行政程序是不是能夠再加緊速度不敢說是催促他們但是基本上是積極的能夠來爭取這個部分可以做到嗎\n\n9\n00:03:01,915 --> 00:03:24,750\n我們後續我們就會依委員的指示來辦理好那第五次赴日的報告呢第31頁我們有看到輔導場區內的生物試育的一個試驗顯示魚類、貝類、藻類體內的這一個穿濃度不會超過環境的濃度且已轉至一般海水後可迅速降低無累積的現象台灣也於2024年6月20日\n\n10\n00:03:27,572 --> 00:03:46,608\n由國園驗設計海水川以及生物川試驗場開啟本土海水生物寒川生物的一個累積效應的一個試驗請問主委截至目前為止我們的本土生物試驗有沒有什麼進度有沒有初步的什麼成果可以跟我們分享一下嗎\n\n11\n00:03:49,415 --> 00:04:07,944\n這些資料可不可以運用在食安風險的評估上目前這個生物村我們是用養殖魚類的方式去做實驗那有沒有什麼進度目前就第一年事實上我們在一年半以前就已經開始建置這個養魚場\n\n12\n00:04:11,134 --> 00:04:38,314\n遁及的寒川水的海水生物養殖場去年就開始做實驗初步我們結果認為無積川濃度跟海水中川濃度的比例大概是0.9%這個結果跟日本東電公告的數據非常相近然後我們今年會繼續還有一年的時間所以這一份報告裡面未來的成果可不可以運用在食安的風險評估\n\n13\n00:04:40,396 --> 00:05:02,715\n石安另外有日本食品輻射食品魚類的那個川的檢驗那跟這個計畫是分開的是分開的那這一份報告主要是要適用於後續要怎麼樣規劃就是海水川透過生物這個就是單純研究海水川它的生物是否遞檢是吧\n\n14\n00:05:05,858 --> 00:05:26,699\n這個我們去年有一個初步的報告給到貴院但我要講的就是說不管是海水內的生物川或者是我剛剛講的食安的問題我們都擔心嘛打撈的到那個漁民打撈到這相關的漁類的時候可能會有相關的一些生物含川的問題所以還是不離我們現階段最關心的就是食品安全\n\n15\n00:05:27,599 --> 00:05:55,840\n所以當然你說他有另外一個計畫但我們也希望說透過每一個計畫能夠交叉的數據能夠再累積出更加安定的這些報告成果讓國人能夠安心食品安全這個部分你們是專業我們當然尊重但是也要反映出民眾現在的擔憂就是所謂的相關食安問題這個部分也希望你們能夠幫忙一起研究出更加穩定的一個相關成果讓我們國人能夠安心是的好嗎\n\n16\n00:05:56,641 --> 00:06:25,030\n那報告指出福島核電廠設置有多重緊急的阻斷的一個方式遇到設備異常地震或停電可以手動自動來停止排放2024三月地震四月電力中斷均導致這個排放的暫停經檢查後才恢復作業好主委我方代表對於日本這一個\n\n17\n00:06:25,670 --> 00:06:40,138\n多核種除去設備非常關心也多次詢問此設備請問現在我國目前針對福島排放異常事件的跨部會聯繫機制是否都在第一時間掌握異常並對外說明\n\n18\n00:06:43,398 --> 00:07:05,452\n報告委員因為我們跟台日的交流是蠻頻繁的所以那邊ALPS那邊如果有異常的話他們都會在第一時間通知我們另外我們也會根據IAEA的資料去掌握日本目前的排放狀況以上好那所以剛剛說我們互動頻繁我們什麼時候啟動第六次赴日的實體訪查\n\n19\n00:07:07,762 --> 00:07:22,594\n八萬委員那個第六次因為台日有簽署相關的這個協定所以我們每年一年在台灣一年在日本都會辦理會議那今年我們的會議是預計在十月在台灣對在日本會辦理\n\n20\n00:07:23,868 --> 00:07:52,840\n好好謝謝那另外我想關心的就是說核關法三讀後有多少的執法要修那針對核關法修法後賴總統昨天也表示核安會必先訂定安全審查辦法台電在依照這個辦法去做自主的安全檢查評估有無重啟的一個安全條件重啟的期程與成本的效應那政府都會秉持著核安無虞核廢有解\n\n21\n00:07:53,220 --> 00:08:21,177\n社會共識三原則來審慎因應那至於新式的核能技術呢我想賴總統也表示這上代研究政府將是未來的情況在做決定請問主委那現在呢三讀以後總統也指示了那請問相關的執法相關的一些所謂的自主檢查安全檢查這些哪時候要修訂我們現在已經開始著手進行這個法條的有沒有預估何時會完成\n\n22\n00:08:23,683 --> 00:08:50,605\n大概四個月左右四個月其中兩個月是要公告有多抓了嗎還是因為按行政程序我們按照行政程序有兩個月是必須公告然後前面做跟後面做所以加起來大概四個月應該可以完成好四個月那我們期待那另外針對SNR這個目前台灣對此的研究做得如何有沒有什麼可以分享的\n\n23\n00:08:53,647 --> 00:09:18,317\n包委員現階段除了申請中每年一億的計畫我們現在執行中的兩個不好意思您的聲音可以再大聲一點嗎我們現在執行中兩個計畫一個原子能系統的計畫我們是針對這個核電廠被動式安全的機制還有爐心動態爐心熱水的嚴重事故來做一些SMR的特殊的分析那另外國科會補助的一個計畫710萬人士壓水室\n\n24\n00:09:21,438 --> 00:09:37,806\nSMR的一個爐心的模擬跟隔震技術我們強調就是如果說要將來有可能這個設計需要在比較人口比較密集的時候他怎麼能夠有一個隔震的技術的設計所以目前進行是主要是這兩個計畫這兩個計畫是\n\n25\n00:09:39,727 --> 00:09:56,598\n那目前台灣系統性培養合工人才的學術單位目前只有清華大學那以及原子科的學院但主委上次在上個月的備詢也坦承過去20年合工人才的流失非常嚴重主委那人才培育要如何來做你有沒有具體的一個中長期培育計畫\n\n26\n00:09:57,819 --> 00:10:24,804\n就很多方面一起做包括譬如說我們跟大學的合作研究國研院跟大學的研究也是培養人才的一個管道也這樣子吸引更多學生加入的核能研究的行列包括國研院也增加他們的研究實力這部分我請國研院再補充一下\n\n27\n00:10:28,246 --> 00:10:46,819\n我們事實上就是SMR部分跟清華大學今年跟明年有多次的三個系主任院長都帶來跟我們做很密切的交流就是只要我們這個一億的計畫上來我們會相當的經費會補貼學校老師來培訓員工同時他們最近兩個\n\n28\n00:10:48,440 --> 00:11:13,842\n上個月也請我們互派師資我們會派師資有個核能學程系統的學程我們會有研究人員去當面協助他們授課培育新的員工那另外合龍合方面也跟成大清大的物理系還有這個國安中心這其他學校也有人才的一些培訓那合工我們將來如果有更有\n\n29\n00:11:15,483 --> 00:11:42,422\n計畫的話希望是不是能夠因為畢竟念合工的人念博士學會的比較少智慧比較少啦但是我們要抓到未來的趨勢嘛這個主委都說了人才一直在流失那SNR有可能是未來的趨勢那如果到時候趨勢已經來了我們又沒準備好沒有相關的人才那基本上我們就已經輸國外的這相關的一些技術可能很多年\n\n30\n00:11:43,123 --> 00:12:01,626\n後續當大家在流行這個技術這個能源政策的時候我們有沒有人才去做相對應的一個把它銜接到這個政策那這個部分會更喪失第一先機所以主委人才的培育很重要拜託你好不好這個一定務必要先行\n\n31\n00:12:02,446 --> 00:12:23,458\n我們也希望爭取教育部公費留學有一個合共這個項目因為這個項目已經停了很多年了我們希望明年開始有恢復合共這個項目我們也會一起幫忙催促但是基本上你們在院會的時候自己內部的跨部會協調你們也要再加強一起加油好嗎謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n870\t23469\t現場的一個整體狀況那我們幹嘛去用視訊就可以了所以我希望未來每一次復日的查驗都可以看到想看的了解想要了解的這才是復日訪查的意義那主委根據第五次復日觀察實地的一個觀察我方有提問因台灣持續關注擴散模式及發展\n23749\t51703\t合作國際的合作請問未來是否可以透過合作備忘錄的簽訂讓雙方維持穩定的一個技術交流將海洋大氣之擴散的一個模擬持續的精進互助互利日方的回應是非常樂意但是若有希望進行短期人員交流可以透過相關的管道赴日以學術的交流名義然後或者是大學來做一個連續也是一個可以嘗試的一個管道\n52443\t68751\t建議台灣可以提供相關的一個共同研究規劃雙方再來持續洽談那我們看到這些 請問主委共同研究規劃提出了嗎內容大概是什麼報告委員 這方面我請張署長他比較有詳細資料 請問他\n72403\t100674\t那包括委員那在擴散模擬分析的這部分我們都一直持續跟日本來去做一個技術的交流那主要的一個對象是日本的逐波大學的一個教授那在國內參與的團隊有氣象署的人員以及我們國園院的人員那在人員的一個交流裡頭今年就是也是五月初的時候那日本的一個專家有到我們這邊來去做整個的一個交流包括兩岸兩邊\n102555\t106559\t日本跟我們的一個監測的一個數據以及我們的海洋的一些監測觀看的一些細節的數據都有來去做這個交流那在模式的發展上也有去做交流所以你共同研究規劃提出了嗎\n119730\t123353\t這個共同研究是會以MOU的一個方式所以在這一次的討論裡頭也有去討論這個MOU的一個簽訂的一個細節這個一個研究是各帶研究的資源來去共同維持那請問你大概多久可以簽到MOU\n136565\t148892\t現在日本這邊專家是說他們帶他回去因為竹坡那邊大學那邊有他的一個行政程序那他們把行政程序給完成了那就會儘速的還回應我們我們這邊也會來持續的追蹤竹坡大概是5月13、14來台嘛對不對但是因為我們赴日的時候是5月8號到15號是去年\n160375\t180768\t我們復任是去年所以已經一年過去了我們都很期待MOU可以趕快簽訂既然珠波已經來了也完成了一部分的一些資料帶回去走行政程序是不是能夠再加緊速度不敢說是催促他們但是基本上是積極的能夠來爭取這個部分可以做到嗎\n181915\t204750\t我們後續我們就會依委員的指示來辦理好那第五次赴日的報告呢第31頁我們有看到輔導場區內的生物試育的一個試驗顯示魚類、貝類、藻類體內的這一個穿濃度不會超過環境的濃度且已轉至一般海水後可迅速降低無累積的現象台灣也於2024年6月20日\n207572\t226608\t由國園驗設計海水川以及生物川試驗場開啟本土海水生物 寒川生物的一個累積效應的一個試驗請問主委截至目前為止我們的本土生物試驗有沒有什麼進度有沒有初步的什麼成果可以跟我們分享一下嗎\n229415\t247944\t這些資料可不可以運用在食安風險的評估上目前這個生物村我們是用養殖魚類的方式去做實驗那有沒有什麼進度目前就第一年事實上我們在一年半以前就已經開始建置這個養魚場\n251134\t278314\t遁及的寒川水的海水生物養殖場去年就開始做實驗初步我們結果認為無積川濃度跟海水中川濃度的比例大概是0.9%這個結果跟日本東電公告的數據非常相近然後我們今年會繼續還有一年的時間所以這一份報告裡面未來的成果可不可以運用在食安的風險評估\n280396\t302715\t石安另外有日本食品輻射食品魚類的那個川的檢驗那跟這個計畫是分開的是分開的那這一份報告主要是要適用於後續要怎麼樣規劃就是海水川透過生物這個就是單純研究海水川它的生物是否遞檢是吧\n305858\t326699\t這個我們去年有一個初步的報告給到貴院但我要講的就是說不管是海水內的生物川或者是我剛剛講的食安的問題我們都擔心嘛 打撈的到那個漁民打撈到這相關的漁類的時候可能會有相關的一些生物含川的問題所以還是不離我們現階段最關心的就是食品安全\n327599\t355840\t所以當然你說他有另外一個計畫但我們也希望說透過每一個計畫能夠交叉的數據能夠再累積出更加安定的這些報告成果讓國人能夠安心食品安全這個部分你們是專業我們當然尊重但是也要反映出民眾現在的擔憂就是所謂的相關食安問題這個部分也希望你們能夠幫忙一起研究出更加穩定的一個相關成果讓我們國人能夠安心是的 好嗎\n356641\t385030\t那報告指出福島核電廠設置有多重緊急的阻斷的一個方式遇到設備異常地震或停電可以手動自動來停止排放2024三月地震四月電力中斷均導致這個排放的暫停經檢查後才恢復作業好 主委我方代表對於日本這一個\n385670\t400138\t多核種除去設備非常關心也多次詢問此設備請問現在我國目前針對福島排放異常事件的跨部會聯繫機制是否都在第一時間掌握異常並對外說明\n403398\t425452\t報告委員 因為我們跟台日的交流是蠻頻繁的所以那邊ALPS那邊如果有異常的話他們都會在第一時間通知我們另外我們也會根據IAEA的資料去掌握日本目前的排放狀況以上好 那所以剛剛說我們互動頻繁我們什麼時候啟動第六次赴日的實體訪查\n427762\t442594\t八萬委員那個第六次因為台日有簽署相關的這個協定所以我們每年一年在台灣一年在日本都會辦理會議那今年我們的會議是預計在十月在台灣對在日本會辦理\n443868\t472840\t好 好 謝謝那另外我想關心的就是說核關法三讀後有多少的執法要修那針對核關法修法後賴總統昨天也表示核安會必先訂定安全審查辦法台電在依照這個辦法去做自主的安全檢查評估有無重啟的一個安全條件重啟的期程與成本的效應那政府都會秉持著核安無虞核廢有解\n473220\t501177\t社會共識三原則來審慎因應那至於新式的核能技術呢我想賴總統也表示這上代研究政府將是未來的情況在做決定請問主委那現在呢三讀以後總統也指示了那請問相關的執法相關的一些所謂的自主檢查安全檢查這些哪時候要修訂我們現在已經開始著手進行這個法條的有沒有預估何時會完成\n503683\t530605\t大概四個月左右四個月其中兩個月是要公告有多抓了嗎還是因為按行政程序我們按照行政程序有兩個月是必須公告然後前面做跟後面做所以加起來大概四個月應該可以完成好 四個月那我們期待那另外針對SNR這個目前台灣對此的研究做得如何有沒有什麼可以分享的\n533647\t558317\t包委員現階段除了申請中每年一億的計畫我們現在執行中的兩個不好意思您的聲音可以再大聲一點嗎我們現在執行中兩個計畫一個原子能系統的計畫我們是針對這個核電廠被動式安全的機制還有爐心動態爐心熱水的嚴重事故來做一些SMR的特殊的分析那另外國科會補助的一個計畫710萬人士壓水室\n561438\t577806\tSMR的一個爐心的模擬跟隔震技術我們強調就是如果說要將來有可能這個設計需要在比較人口比較密集的時候他怎麼能夠有一個隔震的技術的設計所以目前進行是主要是這兩個計畫這兩個計畫是\n579727\t596598\t那目前台灣系統性培養合工人才的學術單位目前只有清華大學那以及原子科的學院但主委上次在上個月的備詢也坦承過去20年合工人才的流失非常嚴重主委那人才培育要如何來做你有沒有具體的一個中長期培育計畫\n597819\t624804\t就很多方面一起做包括譬如說我們跟大學的合作研究國研院跟大學的研究也是培養人才的一個管道也這樣子吸引更多學生加入的核能研究的行列包括國研院也增加他們的研究實力這部分我請國研院再補充一下\n628246\t646819\t我們事實上就是SMR部分跟清華大學今年跟明年有多次的三個系主任院長都帶來跟我們做很密切的交流就是只要我們這個一億的計畫上來我們會相當的經費會補貼學校老師來培訓員工同時他們最近兩個\n648440\t673842\t上個月也請我們互派師資我們會派師資有個核能學程系統的學程我們會有研究人員去當面協助他們授課培育新的員工那另外合龍合方面也跟成大 清大的物理系還有這個國安中心這其他學校也有人才的一些培訓那合工我們將來如果有更有\n675483\t702422\t計畫的話希望是不是能夠因為畢竟念合工的人念博士學會的比較少智慧比較少啦但是我們要抓到未來的趨勢嘛這個主委都說了人才一直在流失那SNR有可能是未來的趨勢那如果到時候趨勢已經來了我們又沒準備好沒有相關的人才那基本上我們就已經輸國外的這相關的一些技術可能很多年\n703123\t721626\t後續當大家在流行這個技術這個能源政策的時候我們有沒有人才去做相對應的一個把它銜接到這個政策那這個部分會更喪失第一先機所以主委人才的培育很重要拜託你好不好這個一定務必要先行\n722446\t743458\t我們也希望爭取教育部公費留學有一個合共這個項目因為這個項目已經停了很多年了我們希望明年開始有恢復合共這個項目我們也會一起幫忙催促但是基本上你們在院會的時候自己內部的跨部會協調你們也要再加強一起加油好嗎謝謝\n","txt":"現場的一個整體狀況那我們幹嘛去用視訊就可以了所以我希望未來每一次復日的查驗都可以看到想看的了解想要了解的這才是復日訪查的意義那主委根據第五次復日觀察實地的一個觀察我方有提問因台灣持續關注擴散模式及發展\n合作國際的合作請問未來是否可以透過合作備忘錄的簽訂讓雙方維持穩定的一個技術交流將海洋大氣之擴散的一個模擬持續的精進互助互利日方的回應是非常樂意但是若有希望進行短期人員交流可以透過相關的管道赴日以學術的交流名義然後或者是大學來做一個連續也是一個可以嘗試的一個管道\n建議台灣可以提供相關的一個共同研究規劃雙方再來持續洽談那我們看到這些 請問主委共同研究規劃提出了嗎內容大概是什麼報告委員 這方面我請張署長他比較有詳細資料 請問他\n那包括委員那在擴散模擬分析的這部分我們都一直持續跟日本來去做一個技術的交流那主要的一個對象是日本的逐波大學的一個教授那在國內參與的團隊有氣象署的人員以及我們國園院的人員那在人員的一個交流裡頭今年就是也是五月初的時候那日本的一個專家有到我們這邊來去做整個的一個交流包括兩岸兩邊\n日本跟我們的一個監測的一個數據以及我們的海洋的一些監測觀看的一些細節的數據都有來去做這個交流那在模式的發展上也有去做交流所以你共同研究規劃提出了嗎\n這個共同研究是會以MOU的一個方式所以在這一次的討論裡頭也有去討論這個MOU的一個簽訂的一個細節這個一個研究是各帶研究的資源來去共同維持那請問你大概多久可以簽到MOU\n現在日本這邊專家是說他們帶他回去因為竹坡那邊大學那邊有他的一個行政程序那他們把行政程序給完成了那就會儘速的還回應我們我們這邊也會來持續的追蹤竹坡大概是5月13、14來台嘛對不對但是因為我們赴日的時候是5月8號到15號是去年\n我們復任是去年所以已經一年過去了我們都很期待MOU可以趕快簽訂既然珠波已經來了也完成了一部分的一些資料帶回去走行政程序是不是能夠再加緊速度不敢說是催促他們但是基本上是積極的能夠來爭取這個部分可以做到嗎\n我們後續我們就會依委員的指示來辦理好那第五次赴日的報告呢第31頁我們有看到輔導場區內的生物試育的一個試驗顯示魚類、貝類、藻類體內的這一個穿濃度不會超過環境的濃度且已轉至一般海水後可迅速降低無累積的現象台灣也於2024年6月20日\n由國園驗設計海水川以及生物川試驗場開啟本土海水生物 寒川生物的一個累積效應的一個試驗請問主委截至目前為止我們的本土生物試驗有沒有什麼進度有沒有初步的什麼成果可以跟我們分享一下嗎\n這些資料可不可以運用在食安風險的評估上目前這個生物村我們是用養殖魚類的方式去做實驗那有沒有什麼進度目前就第一年事實上我們在一年半以前就已經開始建置這個養魚場\n遁及的寒川水的海水生物養殖場去年就開始做實驗初步我們結果認為無積川濃度跟海水中川濃度的比例大概是0.9%這個結果跟日本東電公告的數據非常相近然後我們今年會繼續還有一年的時間所以這一份報告裡面未來的成果可不可以運用在食安的風險評估\n石安另外有日本食品輻射食品魚類的那個川的檢驗那跟這個計畫是分開的是分開的那這一份報告主要是要適用於後續要怎麼樣規劃就是海水川透過生物這個就是單純研究海水川它的生物是否遞檢是吧\n這個我們去年有一個初步的報告給到貴院但我要講的就是說不管是海水內的生物川或者是我剛剛講的食安的問題我們都擔心嘛 打撈的到那個漁民打撈到這相關的漁類的時候可能會有相關的一些生物含川的問題所以還是不離我們現階段最關心的就是食品安全\n所以當然你說他有另外一個計畫但我們也希望說透過每一個計畫能夠交叉的數據能夠再累積出更加安定的這些報告成果讓國人能夠安心食品安全這個部分你們是專業我們當然尊重但是也要反映出民眾現在的擔憂就是所謂的相關食安問題這個部分也希望你們能夠幫忙一起研究出更加穩定的一個相關成果讓我們國人能夠安心是的 好嗎\n那報告指出福島核電廠設置有多重緊急的阻斷的一個方式遇到設備異常地震或停電可以手動自動來停止排放2024三月地震四月電力中斷均導致這個排放的暫停經檢查後才恢復作業好 主委我方代表對於日本這一個\n多核種除去設備非常關心也多次詢問此設備請問現在我國目前針對福島排放異常事件的跨部會聯繫機制是否都在第一時間掌握異常並對外說明\n報告委員 因為我們跟台日的交流是蠻頻繁的所以那邊ALPS那邊如果有異常的話他們都會在第一時間通知我們另外我們也會根據IAEA的資料去掌握日本目前的排放狀況以上好 那所以剛剛說我們互動頻繁我們什麼時候啟動第六次赴日的實體訪查\n八萬委員那個第六次因為台日有簽署相關的這個協定所以我們每年一年在台灣一年在日本都會辦理會議那今年我們的會議是預計在十月在台灣對在日本會辦理\n好 好 謝謝那另外我想關心的就是說核關法三讀後有多少的執法要修那針對核關法修法後賴總統昨天也表示核安會必先訂定安全審查辦法台電在依照這個辦法去做自主的安全檢查評估有無重啟的一個安全條件重啟的期程與成本的效應那政府都會秉持著核安無虞核廢有解\n社會共識三原則來審慎因應那至於新式的核能技術呢我想賴總統也表示這上代研究政府將是未來的情況在做決定請問主委那現在呢三讀以後總統也指示了那請問相關的執法相關的一些所謂的自主檢查安全檢查這些哪時候要修訂我們現在已經開始著手進行這個法條的有沒有預估何時會完成\n大概四個月左右四個月其中兩個月是要公告有多抓了嗎還是因為按行政程序我們按照行政程序有兩個月是必須公告然後前面做跟後面做所以加起來大概四個月應該可以完成好 四個月那我們期待那另外針對SNR這個目前台灣對此的研究做得如何有沒有什麼可以分享的\n包委員現階段除了申請中每年一億的計畫我們現在執行中的兩個不好意思您的聲音可以再大聲一點嗎我們現在執行中兩個計畫一個原子能系統的計畫我們是針對這個核電廠被動式安全的機制還有爐心動態爐心熱水的嚴重事故來做一些SMR的特殊的分析那另外國科會補助的一個計畫710萬人士壓水室\nSMR的一個爐心的模擬跟隔震技術我們強調就是如果說要將來有可能這個設計需要在比較人口比較密集的時候他怎麼能夠有一個隔震的技術的設計所以目前進行是主要是這兩個計畫這兩個計畫是\n那目前台灣系統性培養合工人才的學術單位目前只有清華大學那以及原子科的學院但主委上次在上個月的備詢也坦承過去20年合工人才的流失非常嚴重主委那人才培育要如何來做你有沒有具體的一個中長期培育計畫\n就很多方面一起做包括譬如說我們跟大學的合作研究國研院跟大學的研究也是培養人才的一個管道也這樣子吸引更多學生加入的核能研究的行列包括國研院也增加他們的研究實力這部分我請國研院再補充一下\n我們事實上就是SMR部分跟清華大學今年跟明年有多次的三個系主任院長都帶來跟我們做很密切的交流就是只要我們這個一億的計畫上來我們會相當的經費會補貼學校老師來培訓員工同時他們最近兩個\n上個月也請我們互派師資我們會派師資有個核能學程系統的學程我們會有研究人員去當面協助他們授課培育新的員工那另外合龍合方面也跟成大 清大的物理系還有這個國安中心這其他學校也有人才的一些培訓那合工我們將來如果有更有\n計畫的話希望是不是能夠因為畢竟念合工的人念博士學會的比較少智慧比較少啦但是我們要抓到未來的趨勢嘛這個主委都說了人才一直在流失那SNR有可能是未來的趨勢那如果到時候趨勢已經來了我們又沒準備好沒有相關的人才那基本上我們就已經輸國外的這相關的一些技術可能很多年\n後續當大家在流行這個技術這個能源政策的時候我們有沒有人才去做相對應的一個把它銜接到這個政策那這個部分會更喪失第一先機所以主委人才的培育很重要拜託你好不好這個一定務必要先行\n我們也希望爭取教育部公費留學有一個合共這個項目因為這個項目已經停了很多年了我們希望明年開始有恢復合共這個項目我們也會一起幫忙催促但是基本上你們在院會的時候自己內部的跨部會協調你們也要再加強一起加油好嗎謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.870 --> 00:23.469\n現場的一個整體狀況那我們幹嘛去用視訊就可以了所以我希望未來每一次復日的查驗都可以看到想看的了解想要了解的這才是復日訪查的意義那主委根據第五次復日觀察實地的一個觀察我方有提問因台灣持續關注擴散模式及發展\n\n00:23.749 --> 00:51.703\n合作國際的合作請問未來是否可以透過合作備忘錄的簽訂讓雙方維持穩定的一個技術交流將海洋大氣之擴散的一個模擬持續的精進互助互利日方的回應是非常樂意但是若有希望進行短期人員交流可以透過相關的管道赴日以學術的交流名義然後或者是大學來做一個連續也是一個可以嘗試的一個管道\n\n00:52.443 --> 01:08.751\n建議台灣可以提供相關的一個共同研究規劃雙方再來持續洽談那我們看到這些請問主委共同研究規劃提出了嗎內容大概是什麼報告委員這方面我請張署長他比較有詳細資料請問他\n\n01:12.403 --> 01:40.674\n那包括委員那在擴散模擬分析的這部分我們都一直持續跟日本來去做一個技術的交流那主要的一個對象是日本的逐波大學的一個教授那在國內參與的團隊有氣象署的人員以及我們國園院的人員那在人員的一個交流裡頭今年就是也是五月初的時候那日本的一個專家有到我們這邊來去做整個的一個交流包括兩岸兩邊\n\n01:42.555 --> 01:46.559\n日本跟我們的一個監測的一個數據以及我們的海洋的一些監測觀看的一些細節的數據都有來去做這個交流那在模式的發展上也有去做交流所以你共同研究規劃提出了嗎\n\n01:59.730 --> 02:03.353\n這個共同研究是會以MOU的一個方式所以在這一次的討論裡頭也有去討論這個MOU的一個簽訂的一個細節這個一個研究是各帶研究的資源來去共同維持那請問你大概多久可以簽到MOU\n\n02:16.565 --> 02:28.892\n現在日本這邊專家是說他們帶他回去因為竹坡那邊大學那邊有他的一個行政程序那他們把行政程序給完成了那就會儘速的還回應我們我們這邊也會來持續的追蹤竹坡大概是5月13、14來台嘛對不對但是因為我們赴日的時候是5月8號到15號是去年\n\n02:40.375 --> 03:00.768\n我們復任是去年所以已經一年過去了我們都很期待MOU可以趕快簽訂既然珠波已經來了也完成了一部分的一些資料帶回去走行政程序是不是能夠再加緊速度不敢說是催促他們但是基本上是積極的能夠來爭取這個部分可以做到嗎\n\n03:01.915 --> 03:24.750\n我們後續我們就會依委員的指示來辦理好那第五次赴日的報告呢第31頁我們有看到輔導場區內的生物試育的一個試驗顯示魚類、貝類、藻類體內的這一個穿濃度不會超過環境的濃度且已轉至一般海水後可迅速降低無累積的現象台灣也於2024年6月20日\n\n03:27.572 --> 03:46.608\n由國園驗設計海水川以及生物川試驗場開啟本土海水生物寒川生物的一個累積效應的一個試驗請問主委截至目前為止我們的本土生物試驗有沒有什麼進度有沒有初步的什麼成果可以跟我們分享一下嗎\n\n03:49.415 --> 04:07.944\n這些資料可不可以運用在食安風險的評估上目前這個生物村我們是用養殖魚類的方式去做實驗那有沒有什麼進度目前就第一年事實上我們在一年半以前就已經開始建置這個養魚場\n\n04:11.134 --> 04:38.314\n遁及的寒川水的海水生物養殖場去年就開始做實驗初步我們結果認為無積川濃度跟海水中川濃度的比例大概是0.9%這個結果跟日本東電公告的數據非常相近然後我們今年會繼續還有一年的時間所以這一份報告裡面未來的成果可不可以運用在食安的風險評估\n\n04:40.396 --> 05:02.715\n石安另外有日本食品輻射食品魚類的那個川的檢驗那跟這個計畫是分開的是分開的那這一份報告主要是要適用於後續要怎麼樣規劃就是海水川透過生物這個就是單純研究海水川它的生物是否遞檢是吧\n\n05:05.858 --> 05:26.699\n這個我們去年有一個初步的報告給到貴院但我要講的就是說不管是海水內的生物川或者是我剛剛講的食安的問題我們都擔心嘛打撈的到那個漁民打撈到這相關的漁類的時候可能會有相關的一些生物含川的問題所以還是不離我們現階段最關心的就是食品安全\n\n05:27.599 --> 05:55.840\n所以當然你說他有另外一個計畫但我們也希望說透過每一個計畫能夠交叉的數據能夠再累積出更加安定的這些報告成果讓國人能夠安心食品安全這個部分你們是專業我們當然尊重但是也要反映出民眾現在的擔憂就是所謂的相關食安問題這個部分也希望你們能夠幫忙一起研究出更加穩定的一個相關成果讓我們國人能夠安心是的好嗎\n\n05:56.641 --> 06:25.030\n那報告指出福島核電廠設置有多重緊急的阻斷的一個方式遇到設備異常地震或停電可以手動自動來停止排放2024三月地震四月電力中斷均導致這個排放的暫停經檢查後才恢復作業好主委我方代表對於日本這一個\n\n06:25.670 --> 06:40.138\n多核種除去設備非常關心也多次詢問此設備請問現在我國目前針對福島排放異常事件的跨部會聯繫機制是否都在第一時間掌握異常並對外說明\n\n06:43.398 --> 07:05.452\n報告委員因為我們跟台日的交流是蠻頻繁的所以那邊ALPS那邊如果有異常的話他們都會在第一時間通知我們另外我們也會根據IAEA的資料去掌握日本目前的排放狀況以上好那所以剛剛說我們互動頻繁我們什麼時候啟動第六次赴日的實體訪查\n\n07:07.762 --> 07:22.594\n八萬委員那個第六次因為台日有簽署相關的這個協定所以我們每年一年在台灣一年在日本都會辦理會議那今年我們的會議是預計在十月在台灣對在日本會辦理\n\n07:23.868 --> 07:52.840\n好好謝謝那另外我想關心的就是說核關法三讀後有多少的執法要修那針對核關法修法後賴總統昨天也表示核安會必先訂定安全審查辦法台電在依照這個辦法去做自主的安全檢查評估有無重啟的一個安全條件重啟的期程與成本的效應那政府都會秉持著核安無虞核廢有解\n\n07:53.220 --> 08:21.177\n社會共識三原則來審慎因應那至於新式的核能技術呢我想賴總統也表示這上代研究政府將是未來的情況在做決定請問主委那現在呢三讀以後總統也指示了那請問相關的執法相關的一些所謂的自主檢查安全檢查這些哪時候要修訂我們現在已經開始著手進行這個法條的有沒有預估何時會完成\n\n08:23.683 --> 08:50.605\n大概四個月左右四個月其中兩個月是要公告有多抓了嗎還是因為按行政程序我們按照行政程序有兩個月是必須公告然後前面做跟後面做所以加起來大概四個月應該可以完成好四個月那我們期待那另外針對SNR這個目前台灣對此的研究做得如何有沒有什麼可以分享的\n\n08:53.647 --> 09:18.317\n包委員現階段除了申請中每年一億的計畫我們現在執行中的兩個不好意思您的聲音可以再大聲一點嗎我們現在執行中兩個計畫一個原子能系統的計畫我們是針對這個核電廠被動式安全的機制還有爐心動態爐心熱水的嚴重事故來做一些SMR的特殊的分析那另外國科會補助的一個計畫710萬人士壓水室\n\n09:21.438 --> 09:37.806\nSMR的一個爐心的模擬跟隔震技術我們強調就是如果說要將來有可能這個設計需要在比較人口比較密集的時候他怎麼能夠有一個隔震的技術的設計所以目前進行是主要是這兩個計畫這兩個計畫是\n\n09:39.727 --> 09:56.598\n那目前台灣系統性培養合工人才的學術單位目前只有清華大學那以及原子科的學院但主委上次在上個月的備詢也坦承過去20年合工人才的流失非常嚴重主委那人才培育要如何來做你有沒有具體的一個中長期培育計畫\n\n09:57.819 --> 10:24.804\n就很多方面一起做包括譬如說我們跟大學的合作研究國研院跟大學的研究也是培養人才的一個管道也這樣子吸引更多學生加入的核能研究的行列包括國研院也增加他們的研究實力這部分我請國研院再補充一下\n\n10:28.246 --> 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主委我方代表對於日本這一個"},{"start":385.67,"end":400.138,"text":"多核種除去設備非常關心也多次詢問此設備請問現在我國目前針對福島排放異常事件的跨部會聯繫機制是否都在第一時間掌握異常並對外說明"},{"start":403.398,"end":425.452,"text":"報告委員 因為我們跟台日的交流是蠻頻繁的所以那邊ALPS那邊如果有異常的話他們都會在第一時間通知我們另外我們也會根據IAEA的資料去掌握日本目前的排放狀況以上好 那所以剛剛說我們互動頻繁我們什麼時候啟動第六次赴日的實體訪查"},{"start":427.762,"end":442.594,"text":"八萬委員那個第六次因為台日有簽署相關的這個協定所以我們每年一年在台灣一年在日本都會辦理會議那今年我們的會議是預計在十月在台灣對在日本會辦理"},{"start":443.868,"end":472.84,"text":"好 好 謝謝那另外我想關心的就是說核關法三讀後有多少的執法要修那針對核關法修法後賴總統昨天也表示核安會必先訂定安全審查辦法台電在依照這個辦法去做自主的安全檢查評估有無重啟的一個安全條件重啟的期程與成本的效應那政府都會秉持著核安無虞核廢有解"},{"start":473.22,"end":501.177,"text":"社會共識三原則來審慎因應那至於新式的核能技術呢我想賴總統也表示這上代研究政府將是未來的情況在做決定請問主委那現在呢三讀以後總統也指示了那請問相關的執法相關的一些所謂的自主檢查安全檢查這些哪時候要修訂我們現在已經開始著手進行這個法條的有沒有預估何時會完成"},{"start":503.683,"end":530.605,"text":"大概四個月左右四個月其中兩個月是要公告有多抓了嗎還是因為按行政程序我們按照行政程序有兩個月是必須公告然後前面做跟後面做所以加起來大概四個月應該可以完成好 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