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00:01:46,173\n那我想次長你也是這個婦科這個婦產科的醫師那也在第一線這個職業過那我想請教就是說類似這樣的一個問題我們未來在這個衛福部要怎麼做或者是說衛福部跟其他的這個部會譬如說跟教育部要怎麼來協助讓這樣子的一個狀況能夠逐年這個傳染病能夠逐年降低\n\n6\n00:01:46,573 --> 00:02:02,937\n好謝謝委員關心喔因為性傳染病事實上我們都不斷強調性傳染病他很重要的第一個最關鍵就是安全的性行為好所以去在不論是教育部這邊對於性教育的部分後衛福部這邊我們不斷的有宣導安全性行為以及\n\n7\n00:02:03,617 --> 00:02:28,323\n應該要有的這一些防護的部分以及尊重對方的身體自主權這個部分我們持續都會再來繼續來推動那這一段時間的通報上升裡面在全球其實都有發現就是在COVID疫情之後有梅毒跟靈病疫情上升的現象那有一些分析認為說可能是因為疫情期間大家沒有去比較不敢去看診所以疫情之後這一個診斷才被發現\n\n8\n00:02:30,643 --> 00:02:54,931\n那再来的话就是说疫情趋缓之后那个相关人跟人之间的活动就变得比较多一点所以这些就医行为让通报事件出现那当然我们现在的资料里面在今年1到4月我们在15到19岁的临病通报的数字已经比去年下降了三成但是当然我们持续会来做这样子的一个传染病防治以及我们讲的安全性行为的一个宣导\n\n9\n00:02:56,171 --> 00:03:23,212\n长期以来我们在性的性传染病的防治的部分其实过去在门诊不论是在泌尿科妇产科加医科世上结管署这边都有一些案子就是说我们也请医师这边他假设有比方说他是膀胱炎或者他某些疾病可是他强烈怀疑这可能跟性传染病有关那我们是有这样子的方案请他们能够更敏感的来做这样的检验及早能够诊断出可能的性传染病是\n\n10\n00:03:24,213 --> 00:03:46,434\n其實在我們那個年代其實要教這個可能一些這個有關什麼樣的這個知識那可能都會透過有時候老師他不會直接鳴講那像現在的話我覺得可能在課堂上老師要鳴講可能也會有點困難那有的青少年他可能就透過這個網路\n\n11\n00:03:48,195 --> 00:03:56,667\n自己去探索所以我在這邊就是一方面也希望就是說未來這個衛福部跟這個教育部這邊應該針對這部分應該要應該還要再加強因為這樣的一個知識\n\n12\n00:04:03,496 --> 00:04:17,801\n也許從家庭也許是從這個教育從學校端這樣得知可是我們看到就是說現在網路世界真的是花花世界這個來自很多的這個資訊或者是這個交友軟體\n\n13\n00:04:19,301 --> 00:04:46,153\n那很多青少年他可能會想要去嘗試所以我們希望就是說衛福部針對這部分不論是你們自己去協助這個學校或者是醫院遇到這樣的事情是不是也要通報那減少我們這樣子的一個這個傳染病逐年這樣增加其實我看到這個我我也覺得說這個也許是跟現在的這個\n\n14\n00:04:47,413 --> 00:05:09,347\n交友這個交友軟體其實也是很方便也許也是主要的原因之一所以我們希望就是說衛福部跟教育部針對這部分應該還要再來加強是謝謝委員在性傳染病的部分因為這個是我們有要求要通報的性傳染病所以如果是確診沒讀或臨病是本來醫事機構就要向我們通報他是列管\n\n15\n00:05:09,927 --> 00:05:36,423\n那在如果是未成年的孩子他如果是相關有懷疑就是說他可能是有在兒少權法被剝削或者是性剝削的部分的話那那個部分其實我們的通報其實就是來往後端去給相關的這個社會局或者是社會服務的部分來給他協助另外一個部分也是來協助就是說假設他本身是有性侵家暴等等在社政上面來做一些協助那不過\n\n16\n00:05:37,423 --> 00:05:59,483\n委員所關心的通報的部分我們也要很謹慎處理因為長期以來擔心的事情就是說假設這些年輕的個案來到臨床那醫師診斷後的通報程序如果是很明就是有發現就一定要怎麼樣通報而且是到學校第一個部分是擔心對孩子的隱私造成影響第二個部分也擔心孩子會因為這個原因就即會就診\n\n17\n00:06:00,123 --> 00:06:19,475\n那他如果有機會就診當然對於他的傳染病的診察或者傳染病的治療是更不好所以這個部分我們會謹慎來處理那我想請教就是說我們現在在那個艾滋上面有一個完善的追蹤機制那有沒有可能就是針對這一部分也是類似用這樣的一個追蹤機制來做\n\n18\n00:06:21,996 --> 00:06:42,166\n這個其實就是在法定傳染病的限定裡面不過因為這三個它都是法定傳染病所以就像剛剛提到一個事情是我們在原來的這個法定傳染病的通報事項裡面它本來就要通報過去然後通報完之後主管機關或者是我們的機構這邊要去對於個案後續有沒有治療跟追要去做相關的追蹤\n\n19\n00:06:43,186 --> 00:06:58,415\n那但是就是說在法律裡面目前我們應該是沒有要求說要對他的梅毒跟靈病的性伴侶這邊再去做就是後續的處理但不過我們在臨床上會鼓勵啦因為臨床上也知道說這樣子的個案他\n\n20\n00:07:00,276 --> 00:07:18,931\n這個性傳染病他一定是從他性伴侶來的所以也會鼓勵或者是要求就是說提醒這一個個案他要能夠提醒他的性伴侶再來後續做追蹤檢查比方說我們之前假設是病人他我們的病人發現有靈病那我們會跟他說我們要通報但是我們也請他下次把他的先生帶來\n\n21\n00:07:21,493 --> 00:07:37,029\n其實我覺得這個問題不只是說這個後端就是醫療治療這個疾病其實應該是也要在前端可能就是從社政或教育我剛剛講的這個教育方面我覺得應該也要去配合\n\n22\n00:07:37,950 --> 00:07:52,848\n正確的這個交友或者是正確的這個性行為我覺得這應該也是要從教育上面去去做另外我剛剛這個從小上就是很多委員在關心就是凱凱案然後有關這個外聘督導的事情\n\n23\n00:07:53,328 --> 00:08:18,240\n其實我覺得說就像月勤委員他長期他就是在社福這個區塊那有關兒少他就是一個督導我那天還特別問說其實如果在第一線的人或者是在縣市他沒有沒有講出來的話其實外聘督導他根本不會知道所以如果說要把這個責任怪罪於外聘督導其實我是覺得\n\n24\n00:08:18,940 --> 00:08:43,201\n那是非常不合理的啦所以在相關的制度內部他應該要有一定程度的防範跟這個糾錯那外聘的督導其實角色事實上是給在制度內的社工或者是訪視員在他的專業職能上的提升以及他後續他如果有需要的話由這個外聘的督導來給他們在制度上面行政上面跟服務上面更好的一些建議\n\n25\n00:08:44,562 --> 00:09:09,977\n那市長我今天最主要是因為暑假快到了暑假到其實這個所有的青少年放假其實很我們希望就是說結合教育部然後結合我們衛福部其實有很多事情需要做尤其是在暑假期間所以或者是說一些安全或者是其實我希望說你們能夠再加強那讓這樣的一個傳染病能夠逐年降低\n\n26\n00:09:10,077 --> 00:09:20,689\n我想我們會提醒包含疾管署跟國健署在這段期間尤其暑假到了再做一些宣導讓大家能夠重視到這個傳染病防治跟安全性行為的重要性謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t8493\t謝謝主席 我們請次長\n18486\t34139\t今天有幾個問題就是跟市長這邊討論因為暑假快到了那我們知道說現在孩子幾乎人手一機手機上面這個資訊來自四面八方我想請教就是說\n35700\t56705\t關於孩子的這個問題就是說我們在這幾年看到這個有關這個靈病跟梅毒的這個通報數在台灣所有的法定傳染病中排名前五名那我們也看到就是說疾管署在這幾年他有做一個數據的分析就是15歲到19歲男性靈病發生率在五年間增\n58065\t77272\t這個增加了差不多將近三倍那15歲到19歲女性沒讀發生率在所有年齡層當中是第二高的那我想請教就是說這個性病不只是醫療的問題其實我覺得這個也要從台灣的性教育著手\n78132\t106173\t那我想次長你也是這個婦科這個婦產科的醫師那也在第一線這個職業過那我想請教就是說類似這樣的一個問題我們未來在這個衛福部要怎麼做或者是說衛福部跟其他的這個部會譬如說跟教育部要怎麼來協助讓這樣子的一個狀況能夠逐年這個傳染病能夠逐年降低\n106573\t122937\t好謝謝委員關心喔因為性傳染病事實上我們都不斷強調性傳染病他很重要的第一個最關鍵就是安全的性行為好所以去在不論是教育部這邊對於性教育的部分後衛福部這邊我們不斷的有宣導安全性行為以及\n123617\t148323\t應該要有的這一些防護的部分以及尊重對方的身體自主權這個部分我們持續都會再來繼續來推動那這一段時間的通報上升裡面在全球其實都有發現就是在COVID疫情之後有梅毒跟靈病疫情上升的現象那有一些分析認為說可能是因為疫情期間大家沒有去比較不敢去看診所以疫情之後這一個診斷才被發現\n150643\t174931\t那再来的话就是说疫情趋缓之后那个相关人跟人之间的活动就变得比较多一点所以这些就医行为让通报事件出现那当然我们现在的资料里面在今年1到4月我们在15到19岁的临病通报的数字已经比去年下降了三成但是当然我们持续会来做这样子的一个传染病防治以及我们讲的安全性行为的一个宣导\n176171\t203212\t长期以来我们在性的性传染病的防治的部分其实过去在门诊不论是在泌尿科妇产科加医科世上结管署这边都有一些案子就是说我们也请医师这边他假设有比方说他是膀胱炎或者他某些疾病可是他强烈怀疑这可能跟性传染病有关那我们是有这样子的方案请他们能够更敏感的来做这样的检验及早能够诊断出可能的性传染病是\n204213\t226434\t其實在我們那個年代其實要教這個可能一些這個有關什麼樣的這個知識那可能都會透過有時候老師他不會直接鳴講那像現在的話我覺得可能在課堂上老師要鳴講可能也會有點困難那有的青少年他可能就透過這個網路\n228195\t236667\t自己去探索所以我在這邊就是一方面也希望就是說未來這個衛福部跟這個教育部這邊應該針對這部分應該要應該還要再加強因為這樣的一個知識\n243496\t257801\t也許從家庭也許是從這個教育從學校端這樣得知可是我們看到就是說現在網路世界真的是花花世界這個來自很多的這個資訊或者是這個交友軟體\n259301\t286153\t那很多青少年他可能會想要去嘗試所以我們希望就是說衛福部針對這部分不論是你們自己去協助這個學校或者是醫院遇到這樣的事情是不是也要通報那減少我們這樣子的一個這個傳染病逐年這樣增加其實我看到這個我我也覺得說這個也許是跟現在的這個\n287413\t309347\t交友這個交友軟體其實也是很方便也許也是主要的原因之一所以我們希望就是說衛福部跟教育部針對這部分應該還要再來加強是謝謝委員在性傳染病的部分因為這個是我們有要求要通報的性傳染病所以如果是確診沒讀或臨病是本來醫事機構就要向我們通報他是列管\n309927\t336423\t那在如果是未成年的孩子他如果是相關有懷疑就是說他可能是有在兒少權法被剝削或者是性剝削的部分的話那那個部分其實我們的通報其實就是來往後端去給相關的這個社會局或者是社會服務的部分來給他協助另外一個部分也是來協助就是說假設他本身是有性侵家暴等等在社政上面來做一些協助那不過\n337423\t359483\t委員所關心的通報的部分我們也要很謹慎處理因為長期以來擔心的事情就是說假設這些年輕的個案來到臨床那醫師診斷後的通報程序如果是很明就是有發現就一定要怎麼樣通報而且是到學校第一個部分是擔心對孩子的隱私造成影響第二個部分也擔心孩子會因為這個原因就即會就診\n360123\t379475\t那他如果有機會就診當然對於他的傳染病的診察或者傳染病的治療是更不好所以這個部分我們會謹慎來處理那我想請教就是說我們現在在那個艾滋上面有一個完善的追蹤機制那有沒有可能就是針對這一部分也是類似用這樣的一個追蹤機制來做\n381996\t402166\t這個其實就是在法定傳染病的限定裡面不過因為這三個它都是法定傳染病所以就像剛剛提到一個事情是我們在原來的這個法定傳染病的通報事項裡面它本來就要通報過去然後通報完之後主管機關或者是我們的機構這邊要去對於個案後續有沒有治療跟追要去做相關的追蹤\n403186\t418415\t那但是就是說在法律裡面目前我們應該是沒有要求說要對他的梅毒跟靈病的性伴侶這邊再去做就是後續的處理但不過我們在臨床上會鼓勵啦因為臨床上也知道說這樣子的個案他\n420276\t438931\t這個性傳染病他一定是從他性伴侶來的所以也會鼓勵或者是要求就是說提醒這一個個案他要能夠提醒他的性伴侶再來後續做追蹤檢查比方說我們之前假設是病人他我們的病人發現有靈病那我們會跟他說我們要通報但是我們也請他下次把他的先生帶來\n441493\t457029\t其實我覺得這個問題不只是說這個後端就是醫療治療這個疾病其實應該是也要在前端可能就是從社政或教育我剛剛講的這個教育方面我覺得應該也要去配合\n457950\t472848\t正確的這個交友或者是正確的這個性行為我覺得這應該也是要從教育上面去去做另外我剛剛這個從小上就是很多委員在關心就是凱凱案然後有關這個外聘督導的事情\n473328\t498240\t其實我覺得說就像月勤委員他長期他就是在社福這個區塊那有關兒少他就是一個督導我那天還特別問說其實如果在第一線的人或者是在縣市他沒有沒有講出來的話其實外聘督導他根本不會知道所以如果說要把這個責任怪罪於外聘督導其實我是覺得\n498940\t523201\t那是非常不合理的啦所以在相關的制度內部他應該要有一定程度的防範跟這個糾錯那外聘的督導其實角色事實上是給在制度內的社工或者是訪視員在他的專業職能上的提升以及他後續他如果有需要的話由這個外聘的督導來給他們在制度上面行政上面跟服務上面更好的一些建議\n524562\t549977\t那市長我今天最主要是因為暑假快到了暑假到其實這個所有的青少年放假其實很我們希望就是說結合教育部然後結合我們衛福部其實有很多事情需要做尤其是在暑假期間所以或者是說一些安全或者是其實我希望說你們能夠再加強那讓這樣的一個傳染病能夠逐年降低\n550077\t560689\t我想我們會提醒包含疾管署跟國健署在這段期間尤其暑假到了再做一些宣導讓大家能夠重視到這個傳染病防治跟安全性行為的重要性謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們請次長\n今天有幾個問題就是跟市長這邊討論因為暑假快到了那我們知道說現在孩子幾乎人手一機手機上面這個資訊來自四面八方我想請教就是說\n關於孩子的這個問題就是說我們在這幾年看到這個有關這個靈病跟梅毒的這個通報數在台灣所有的法定傳染病中排名前五名那我們也看到就是說疾管署在這幾年他有做一個數據的分析就是15歲到19歲男性靈病發生率在五年間增\n這個增加了差不多將近三倍那15歲到19歲女性沒讀發生率在所有年齡層當中是第二高的那我想請教就是說這個性病不只是醫療的問題其實我覺得這個也要從台灣的性教育著手\n那我想次長你也是這個婦科這個婦產科的醫師那也在第一線這個職業過那我想請教就是說類似這樣的一個問題我們未來在這個衛福部要怎麼做或者是說衛福部跟其他的這個部會譬如說跟教育部要怎麼來協助讓這樣子的一個狀況能夠逐年這個傳染病能夠逐年降低\n好謝謝委員關心喔因為性傳染病事實上我們都不斷強調性傳染病他很重要的第一個最關鍵就是安全的性行為好所以去在不論是教育部這邊對於性教育的部分後衛福部這邊我們不斷的有宣導安全性行為以及\n應該要有的這一些防護的部分以及尊重對方的身體自主權這個部分我們持續都會再來繼續來推動那這一段時間的通報上升裡面在全球其實都有發現就是在COVID疫情之後有梅毒跟靈病疫情上升的現象那有一些分析認為說可能是因為疫情期間大家沒有去比較不敢去看診所以疫情之後這一個診斷才被發現\n那再来的话就是说疫情趋缓之后那个相关人跟人之间的活动就变得比较多一点所以这些就医行为让通报事件出现那当然我们现在的资料里面在今年1到4月我们在15到19岁的临病通报的数字已经比去年下降了三成但是当然我们持续会来做这样子的一个传染病防治以及我们讲的安全性行为的一个宣导\n长期以来我们在性的性传染病的防治的部分其实过去在门诊不论是在泌尿科妇产科加医科世上结管署这边都有一些案子就是说我们也请医师这边他假设有比方说他是膀胱炎或者他某些疾病可是他强烈怀疑这可能跟性传染病有关那我们是有这样子的方案请他们能够更敏感的来做这样的检验及早能够诊断出可能的性传染病是\n其實在我們那個年代其實要教這個可能一些這個有關什麼樣的這個知識那可能都會透過有時候老師他不會直接鳴講那像現在的話我覺得可能在課堂上老師要鳴講可能也會有點困難那有的青少年他可能就透過這個網路\n自己去探索所以我在這邊就是一方面也希望就是說未來這個衛福部跟這個教育部這邊應該針對這部分應該要應該還要再加強因為這樣的一個知識\n也許從家庭也許是從這個教育從學校端這樣得知可是我們看到就是說現在網路世界真的是花花世界這個來自很多的這個資訊或者是這個交友軟體\n那很多青少年他可能會想要去嘗試所以我們希望就是說衛福部針對這部分不論是你們自己去協助這個學校或者是醫院遇到這樣的事情是不是也要通報那減少我們這樣子的一個這個傳染病逐年這樣增加其實我看到這個我我也覺得說這個也許是跟現在的這個\n交友這個交友軟體其實也是很方便也許也是主要的原因之一所以我們希望就是說衛福部跟教育部針對這部分應該還要再來加強是謝謝委員在性傳染病的部分因為這個是我們有要求要通報的性傳染病所以如果是確診沒讀或臨病是本來醫事機構就要向我們通報他是列管\n那在如果是未成年的孩子他如果是相關有懷疑就是說他可能是有在兒少權法被剝削或者是性剝削的部分的話那那個部分其實我們的通報其實就是來往後端去給相關的這個社會局或者是社會服務的部分來給他協助另外一個部分也是來協助就是說假設他本身是有性侵家暴等等在社政上面來做一些協助那不過\n委員所關心的通報的部分我們也要很謹慎處理因為長期以來擔心的事情就是說假設這些年輕的個案來到臨床那醫師診斷後的通報程序如果是很明就是有發現就一定要怎麼樣通報而且是到學校第一個部分是擔心對孩子的隱私造成影響第二個部分也擔心孩子會因為這個原因就即會就診\n那他如果有機會就診當然對於他的傳染病的診察或者傳染病的治療是更不好所以這個部分我們會謹慎來處理那我想請教就是說我們現在在那個艾滋上面有一個完善的追蹤機制那有沒有可能就是針對這一部分也是類似用這樣的一個追蹤機制來做\n這個其實就是在法定傳染病的限定裡面不過因為這三個它都是法定傳染病所以就像剛剛提到一個事情是我們在原來的這個法定傳染病的通報事項裡面它本來就要通報過去然後通報完之後主管機關或者是我們的機構這邊要去對於個案後續有沒有治療跟追要去做相關的追蹤\n那但是就是說在法律裡面目前我們應該是沒有要求說要對他的梅毒跟靈病的性伴侶這邊再去做就是後續的處理但不過我們在臨床上會鼓勵啦因為臨床上也知道說這樣子的個案他\n這個性傳染病他一定是從他性伴侶來的所以也會鼓勵或者是要求就是說提醒這一個個案他要能夠提醒他的性伴侶再來後續做追蹤檢查比方說我們之前假設是病人他我們的病人發現有靈病那我們會跟他說我們要通報但是我們也請他下次把他的先生帶來\n其實我覺得這個問題不只是說這個後端就是醫療治療這個疾病其實應該是也要在前端可能就是從社政或教育我剛剛講的這個教育方面我覺得應該也要去配合\n正確的這個交友或者是正確的這個性行為我覺得這應該也是要從教育上面去去做另外我剛剛這個從小上就是很多委員在關心就是凱凱案然後有關這個外聘督導的事情\n其實我覺得說就像月勤委員他長期他就是在社福這個區塊那有關兒少他就是一個督導我那天還特別問說其實如果在第一線的人或者是在縣市他沒有沒有講出來的話其實外聘督導他根本不會知道所以如果說要把這個責任怪罪於外聘督導其實我是覺得\n那是非常不合理的啦所以在相關的制度內部他應該要有一定程度的防範跟這個糾錯那外聘的督導其實角色事實上是給在制度內的社工或者是訪視員在他的專業職能上的提升以及他後續他如果有需要的話由這個外聘的督導來給他們在制度上面行政上面跟服務上面更好的一些建議\n那市長我今天最主要是因為暑假快到了暑假到其實這個所有的青少年放假其實很我們希望就是說結合教育部然後結合我們衛福部其實有很多事情需要做尤其是在暑假期間所以或者是說一些安全或者是其實我希望說你們能夠再加強那讓這樣的一個傳染病能夠逐年降低\n我想我們會提醒包含疾管署跟國健署在這段期間尤其暑假到了再做一些宣導讓大家能夠重視到這個傳染病防治跟安全性行為的重要性謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:08.493\n謝謝主席我們請次長\n\n00:18.486 --> 00:34.139\n今天有幾個問題就是跟市長這邊討論因為暑假快到了那我們知道說現在孩子幾乎人手一機手機上面這個資訊來自四面八方我想請教就是說\n\n00:35.700 --> 00:56.705\n關於孩子的這個問題就是說我們在這幾年看到這個有關這個靈病跟梅毒的這個通報數在台灣所有的法定傳染病中排名前五名那我們也看到就是說疾管署在這幾年他有做一個數據的分析就是15歲到19歲男性靈病發生率在五年間增\n\n00:58.065 --> 01:17.272\n這個增加了差不多將近三倍那15歲到19歲女性沒讀發生率在所有年齡層當中是第二高的那我想請教就是說這個性病不只是醫療的問題其實我覺得這個也要從台灣的性教育著手\n\n01:18.132 --> 01:46.173\n那我想次長你也是這個婦科這個婦產科的醫師那也在第一線這個職業過那我想請教就是說類似這樣的一個問題我們未來在這個衛福部要怎麼做或者是說衛福部跟其他的這個部會譬如說跟教育部要怎麼來協助讓這樣子的一個狀況能夠逐年這個傳染病能夠逐年降低\n\n01:46.573 --> 02:02.937\n好謝謝委員關心喔因為性傳染病事實上我們都不斷強調性傳染病他很重要的第一個最關鍵就是安全的性行為好所以去在不論是教育部這邊對於性教育的部分後衛福部這邊我們不斷的有宣導安全性行為以及\n\n02:03.617 --> 02:28.323\n應該要有的這一些防護的部分以及尊重對方的身體自主權這個部分我們持續都會再來繼續來推動那這一段時間的通報上升裡面在全球其實都有發現就是在COVID疫情之後有梅毒跟靈病疫情上升的現象那有一些分析認為說可能是因為疫情期間大家沒有去比較不敢去看診所以疫情之後這一個診斷才被發現\n\n02:30.643 --> 02:54.931\n那再来的话就是说疫情趋缓之后那个相关人跟人之间的活动就变得比较多一点所以这些就医行为让通报事件出现那当然我们现在的资料里面在今年1到4月我们在15到19岁的临病通报的数字已经比去年下降了三成但是当然我们持续会来做这样子的一个传染病防治以及我们讲的安全性行为的一个宣导\n\n02:56.171 --> 03:23.212\n长期以来我们在性的性传染病的防治的部分其实过去在门诊不论是在泌尿科妇产科加医科世上结管署这边都有一些案子就是说我们也请医师这边他假设有比方说他是膀胱炎或者他某些疾病可是他强烈怀疑这可能跟性传染病有关那我们是有这样子的方案请他们能够更敏感的来做这样的检验及早能够诊断出可能的性传染病是\n\n03:24.213 --> 03:46.434\n其實在我們那個年代其實要教這個可能一些這個有關什麼樣的這個知識那可能都會透過有時候老師他不會直接鳴講那像現在的話我覺得可能在課堂上老師要鳴講可能也會有點困難那有的青少年他可能就透過這個網路\n\n03:48.195 --> 03:56.667\n自己去探索所以我在這邊就是一方面也希望就是說未來這個衛福部跟這個教育部這邊應該針對這部分應該要應該還要再加強因為這樣的一個知識\n\n04:03.496 --> 04:17.801\n也許從家庭也許是從這個教育從學校端這樣得知可是我們看到就是說現在網路世界真的是花花世界這個來自很多的這個資訊或者是這個交友軟體\n\n04:19.301 --> 04:46.153\n那很多青少年他可能會想要去嘗試所以我們希望就是說衛福部針對這部分不論是你們自己去協助這個學校或者是醫院遇到這樣的事情是不是也要通報那減少我們這樣子的一個這個傳染病逐年這樣增加其實我看到這個我我也覺得說這個也許是跟現在的這個\n\n04:47.413 --> 05:09.347\n交友這個交友軟體其實也是很方便也許也是主要的原因之一所以我們希望就是說衛福部跟教育部針對這部分應該還要再來加強是謝謝委員在性傳染病的部分因為這個是我們有要求要通報的性傳染病所以如果是確診沒讀或臨病是本來醫事機構就要向我們通報他是列管\n\n05:09.927 --> 05:36.423\n那在如果是未成年的孩子他如果是相關有懷疑就是說他可能是有在兒少權法被剝削或者是性剝削的部分的話那那個部分其實我們的通報其實就是來往後端去給相關的這個社會局或者是社會服務的部分來給他協助另外一個部分也是來協助就是說假設他本身是有性侵家暴等等在社政上面來做一些協助那不過\n\n05:37.423 --> 05:59.483\n委員所關心的通報的部分我們也要很謹慎處理因為長期以來擔心的事情就是說假設這些年輕的個案來到臨床那醫師診斷後的通報程序如果是很明就是有發現就一定要怎麼樣通報而且是到學校第一個部分是擔心對孩子的隱私造成影響第二個部分也擔心孩子會因為這個原因就即會就診\n\n06:00.123 --> 06:19.475\n那他如果有機會就診當然對於他的傳染病的診察或者傳染病的治療是更不好所以這個部分我們會謹慎來處理那我想請教就是說我們現在在那個艾滋上面有一個完善的追蹤機制那有沒有可能就是針對這一部分也是類似用這樣的一個追蹤機制來做\n\n06:21.996 --> 06:42.166\n這個其實就是在法定傳染病的限定裡面不過因為這三個它都是法定傳染病所以就像剛剛提到一個事情是我們在原來的這個法定傳染病的通報事項裡面它本來就要通報過去然後通報完之後主管機關或者是我們的機構這邊要去對於個案後續有沒有治療跟追要去做相關的追蹤\n\n06:43.186 --> 06:58.415\n那但是就是說在法律裡面目前我們應該是沒有要求說要對他的梅毒跟靈病的性伴侶這邊再去做就是後續的處理但不過我們在臨床上會鼓勵啦因為臨床上也知道說這樣子的個案他\n\n07:00.276 --> 07:18.931\n這個性傳染病他一定是從他性伴侶來的所以也會鼓勵或者是要求就是說提醒這一個個案他要能夠提醒他的性伴侶再來後續做追蹤檢查比方說我們之前假設是病人他我們的病人發現有靈病那我們會跟他說我們要通報但是我們也請他下次把他的先生帶來\n\n07:21.493 --> 07:37.029\n其實我覺得這個問題不只是說這個後端就是醫療治療這個疾病其實應該是也要在前端可能就是從社政或教育我剛剛講的這個教育方面我覺得應該也要去配合\n\n07:37.950 --> 07:52.848\n正確的這個交友或者是正確的這個性行為我覺得這應該也是要從教育上面去去做另外我剛剛這個從小上就是很多委員在關心就是凱凱案然後有關這個外聘督導的事情\n\n07:53.328 --> 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部分，我們也要很謹慎處理，因為長期以來擔心的事情就是，假設這些年輕的個案來到臨床，那醫師診斷後的通報程序就是有發現就一定要怎麼樣通報，而且是到學校，第一個部分是擔心對孩子的隱私造成影響，第二個部分也擔心孩子會因為這個原因就忌諱就診。那他如果忌諱就診，當然對於他的傳染病的診察或者傳染病的治療是更不好，所以這個部分我們會謹慎處理。"],["黃委員秀芳：對。我想請教的就是，我們現在在愛滋上面有一個完善的追蹤機制，那有沒有可能針對這一部分，也是類似用這樣的一個追蹤機制來做？"],["林次長靜儀：這個其實就是在法定傳染病的限定裡面，不過因為這三個都是法定傳染病，所以就像剛剛提到的一個事情是，我們在原來的這個法定傳染病的通報事項裡面，他本來就要通報過去，然後通報完之後，主管機關或者是我們的機構這邊要去對於個案後續有沒有治療跟追蹤做相關的追蹤；但是在法律層面，目前我們應該是沒有要求要對梅毒跟淋病的性伴侶再去做後續的處理。不過我們在臨床上會鼓勵，因為臨床上也知道這樣的個案，這個性傳染病一定是從性伴侶來的，所以也會鼓勵或者是要求、提醒這個個案，他要能夠提醒他的性伴侶，後續再來做追蹤偵查。比方說假設我們的病人發現有淋病，那我們會跟他說我們要通報，但是我們也請他下次把他的先生帶來。"],["黃委員秀芳：好。我覺得這個問題不只是後端的醫療、治療這個疾病，其實應該也要在前端，可能就是從社政或教育，就是我剛剛講的教育方面，我覺得應該也要去配合，不論是正確的交友或者是正確的性行為，我覺得這個應該也是要從教育上面去做。"],["林次長靜儀：是。"],["黃委員秀芳：另外，從早上就有很多委員在關心剴剴案，有關外聘督導的事情，其實我覺得就像月琴委員，他長期在社福這個區塊、有關兒少，他就是一個督導。我那天還特別問，如果在第一線的人或者是在縣市沒有講出來的話，其實外聘督導根本不會知道。所以如果要把這個責任怪罪於外聘督導，其實我是覺得那是非常不合理的。"],["林次長靜儀：所以在相關的制度內部，他應該要有一定程度的防範跟糾錯。其實外聘督導的角色，事實上是給在制度內的社工或者是訪視員，在他的專業職能上的提升，以及後續他如果有需要的話，由這個外聘的督導來給他們在制度上面、行政上面跟服務上面更好的一些建議。"],["黃委員秀芳：好。次長，我今天最主要是因為暑假快到了，暑假到所有的青少年放假，我們希望結合教育部、結合衛福部，其實有很多事情需要做，尤其是在暑假期間。"],["林次長靜儀：是。"],["黃委員秀芳：其實我希望你們能夠再加強，讓這樣的一個傳染病能夠逐年降低。"],["林次長靜儀：我想我們會提醒疾管署跟國健署，在這段期間，尤其暑假到了，再做一些宣導，讓大家能夠重視傳染病防治跟安全性行為的重要性。"],["黃委員秀芳：好，謝謝。"],["林次長靜儀：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝黃秀芳委員，謝謝次長。","接續我們請洪孟楷委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":138,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-26-12","speakers":["蘇清泉","林月琴","陳昭姿","徐巧芯","盧縣一","黃國昌","劉建國","涂權吉","林淑芬","陳菁徽","陳培瑜","郭昱晴","黃秀芳","洪孟楷","張啓楷","范雲","楊瓊瓔","陳瑩","楊曜","賴惠員","葉元之","王育敏","陳冠廷","邱鎮軍","廖偉翔","黃捷"],"page_start":43,"meetingDate":["2025-05-21"],"gazette_id":"1145201","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1145201_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請衛生福利部、教育部就「性騷擾防治及外聘督導制度精進作為」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1145201_00002"}}}