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00:01:50,400\n河仁跟崇德之間發生的土石流造成台東往北方向的鐵路中斷原本台東的連外鐵路就是說三天內等兩倍那昨天下午呢然後在搶修過程裡面又遇到了強降雨然後再次的在這個河仁至崇德之間發生土石流淹沒了東西的這個東西陣線等於五天斷三次\n\n6\n00:01:51,340 --> 00:02:13,942\n那本席再次強調我們很感謝台鐵跟地線人員的辛勞才能夠在今天清晨恢復這個北回線的這個單向雙向通車不過我想要請部長你設身處地的想想如果您是台中人只要每到大雨就可能會中斷的鐵路你會安心你會搭得安心嗎\n\n7\n00:02:15,831 --> 00:02:29,750\n而且部長你也知道了部長我們上個禮拜台東舉辦一個很大的音樂會叫動浪音樂嘉年華那一天湧進非常非常多的遊客那如果16號跟18號的這兩件事情發生在同一天\n\n8\n00:02:30,931 --> 00:02:55,487\n那台東就會變成孤島直接回去這樣那這樣的極端狀況其實並不是沒有發生過其實像我還記得當年穆拉克的時候本席在大武相公所擔任越顧人員我記得那時候南北鐵路中斷甚至連公路都中斷我們一度只能靠空投物資再撐下去那一直堅持到道路搶通因為這樣子本席到我們立法院來其實\n\n9\n00:02:56,408 --> 00:03:12,629\n不斷的跟中央爭取兩件事情第一就是東部人的鐵路平權這件事情第二就是花東快速道路的興建因為我們東部人愛的很簡單的就是一條安全平安回家的道路那很遺憾我們政府每次都是遇到的狀況才開始喊口號\n\n10\n00:03:13,490 --> 00:03:38,115\n那對於這幾天的事故本市第一時間立刻請台鐵來協助加派這個加班車還有啟動我們攻略接駁那昨天我們也跟台鐵跟交通部來開會針對我們陸海空的這個運距聯邦機制來進行這個檢討我們務必在最短的時間讓我們這個替代的運距到位對我們這旅客的這個衝擊降到最低那\n\n11\n00:03:41,294 --> 00:04:09,521\n不過這個事情之後再次凸顯出我們東部交通的脆弱性那很多台東人都會問說為什麼我們復旦跟西部一樣高的這個高額的台北票價卻要承受這種三天斷兩次的這種風險尤其對於台北廠票價西部還有戈堤還有戈壽公路還有K文它有替代的方式台東沒有其他的選擇我們只有這一條鐵公路\n\n12\n00:04:10,541 --> 00:04:33,495\n那是不是這個是中央要逼迫東部人接受這樣的結果那在這邊我要具體的請部長來回答針對你之前答應本席會在五月底提出這個花東專屬優惠票價是不是會有新的方案而不是過去那個一趴兩趴的回饋機制那目前的優惠票價部長是不是可以來說明一下好報告委員\n\n13\n00:04:35,182 --> 00:04:42,839\n您在台東也是從出生到現在,您應該很清楚從過去到現在台東的票價都跟西部是一樣的\n\n14\n00:04:44,258 --> 00:05:06,879\n所以我們現在要啟動的是第一次史上第一次台東人會有優惠的票價過去台東人沒有這樣子的優惠票價那我們也清楚的知道說0403的地震之後確實整個交通路網的脆弱度確實是有造成所以我們也第一次史上第一次要讓台東人跟花蓮的鄉親都有更便宜的票價\n\n15\n00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:35,429\n那這個票價目前台鐵正在研議當中他們在這個月的月底或者是六月初就一定會提出具體的方案也跟委員報告不會是一趴兩趴的這種這麼少不會這麼少提醒一下部長部長其實為什麼我這時候再次追問是因為部長因為現在的時間點已經距離五月底其實也很快那我們的車票預購其實在二十八天前就可以預購如果你票價沒有出來這些會直接影響到所以這部分是請教部長我們來加快\n\n16\n00:05:38,009 --> 00:06:05,680\n主席我再給我一點點的時間最後我要跟部長來爭取交通跟觀光是一體的去年年四零三我們東部地震造成觀光重創後來本席也在立法院強力的爭取希望比照花蓮一樣就是將我們振興補助方案納入後來成功的爭取到補助加碼的部分現在台東的\n\n17\n00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:22,640\n觀光旅順業最仰賴目前就是我們暑期暑假這個檔期不過我們現在面臨兩個問題第一就是我們提到的這個目前遇到的北回鐵路的不穩定第二是未來台幣升值之後會不會造成出國\n\n18\n00:06:24,042 --> 00:06:47,215\n出國熱門然後排擠到我們國旅的市場像我們從這次端午連假觀光署公布的這個資料可以看到只有澎湖苗栗跟連江縣有住宿超過六成其他地方都沒有所以本市這邊要求觀光署是不是可以針對我們東部的災情狀況提出演繹的這個振興旅遊方案請部長回答\n\n19\n00:06:47,635 --> 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你會搭得安心嗎\n135831\t149750\t而且部長你也知道了部長我們上個禮拜台東舉辦一個很大的音樂會叫動浪音樂嘉年華那一天湧進非常非常多的遊客那如果16號跟18號的這兩件事情發生在同一天\n150931\t175487\t那台東就會變成孤島直接回去這樣那這樣的極端狀況其實並不是沒有發生過其實像我還記得當年穆拉克的時候本席在大武相公所擔任越顧人員我記得那時候南北鐵路中斷甚至連公路都中斷我們一度只能靠空投物資再撐下去那一直堅持到道路搶通因為這樣子本席到我們立法院來其實\n176408\t192629\t不斷的跟中央爭取兩件事情第一就是東部人的鐵路平權這件事情第二就是花東快速道路的興建因為我們東部人愛的很簡單的就是一條安全平安回家的道路那很遺憾我們政府每次都是遇到的狀況才開始喊口號\n193490\t218115\t那對於這幾天的事故本市第一時間立刻請台鐵來協助加派這個加班車還有啟動我們攻略接駁那昨天我們也跟台鐵跟交通部來開會針對我們陸海空的這個運距聯邦機制來進行這個檢討我們務必在最短的時間讓我們這個替代的運距到位對我們這旅客的這個衝擊降到最低那\n221294\t249521\t不過這個事情之後再次凸顯出我們東部交通的脆弱性那很多台東人都會問說為什麼我們復旦跟西部一樣高的這個高額的台北票價卻要承受這種三天斷兩次的這種風險尤其對於台北廠票價西部還有戈堤 還有戈壽公路 還有K文它有替代的方式台東沒有其他的選擇我們只有這一條鐵公路\n250541\t273495\t那是不是這個是中央要逼迫東部人接受這樣的結果那在這邊我要具體的請部長來回答針對你之前答應本席會在五月底提出這個花東專屬優惠票價是不是會有新的方案而不是過去那個一趴兩趴的回饋機制那目前的優惠票價部長是不是可以來說明一下好 報告委員\n275182\t282839\t您在台東也是從出生到現在,您應該很清楚從過去到現在台東的票價都跟西部是一樣的\n284258\t306879\t所以我們現在要啟動的是第一次史上第一次台東人會有優惠的票價過去台東人沒有這樣子的優惠票價那我們也清楚的知道說0403的地震之後確實整個交通路網的脆弱度確實是有造成所以我們也第一次史上第一次要讓台東人跟花蓮的鄉親都有更便宜的票價\n307600\t335429\t那這個票價目前台鐵正在研議當中他們在這個月的月底或者是六月初就一定會提出具體的方案也跟委員報告不會是一趴兩趴的這種這麼少 不會這麼少提醒一下部長 部長其實為什麼我這時候再次追問是因為部長因為現在的時間點已經距離五月底其實也很快那我們的車票預購其實在二十八天前就可以預購如果你票價沒有出來這些會直接影響到所以這部分是請教部長我們來加快\n338009\t365680\t主席我再給我一點點的時間最後我要跟部長來爭取交通跟觀光是一體的去年年四零三我們東部地震造成觀光重創後來本席也在立法院強力的爭取希望比照花蓮一樣就是將我們振興補助方案納入後來成功的爭取到補助加碼的部分現在台東的\n367120\t382640\t觀光旅順業最仰賴目前就是我們暑期暑假這個檔期不過我們現在面臨兩個問題第一就是我們提到的這個目前遇到的北回鐵路的不穩定第二是未來台幣升值之後會不會造成出國\n384042\t407215\t出國熱門然後排擠到我們國旅的市場像我們從這次端午連假觀光署公布的這個資料可以看到只有澎湖苗栗跟連江縣有住宿超過六成其他地方都沒有所以本市這邊要求觀光署是不是可以針對我們東部的災情狀況提出演繹的這個振興旅遊方案請部長回答\n407635\t435381\t報告委員我們可能會用其他的方式啦例如說我們用活動的方式去引客那當然交通的建置是最重要的交通的建置要讓它穩定旅客才會比較願意來這個部分我們也會努力那觀光的部分我們想辦法再多用一些活動來促進東部的觀光部長這個都即刻都遇到的問題那台東的產業其實很單純農業跟觀光也希望部裡面這邊來協助我們台東在產業以及交通上的這些改善好我們來努力謝謝部長謝謝委員\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我們有請江部長請陳部長\n委員好部長我們有默契 你就知道我要找你喔是是是不然你如果找我今天來找你你會問什麼事情 你也要清澈啦是是部長 我們的鐵路是台中人外出讀書 工作 返家甚至就醫最主要的交通工具是\n但是這幾天台東的連外鐵路卻接連發生狀況造成南北鐵路分別中斷首先我要跟台鐵及第一線人員辛苦表達感謝在我們今天早上清晨北回線河仁至崇德之間的鐵路已經搶通東正線可以恢復單線雙向通車\n那不過之前我們看到5月16號下午5點南回鐵路訪山到家路車站的這個電車線端落那大武站到訪寮站大批乘客只能透過遊覽車接駁5月18號星期四下午北回鐵路\n河仁跟崇德之間發生的土石流造成台東往北方向的鐵路中斷原本台東的連外鐵路就是說三天內等兩倍那昨天下午呢然後在搶修過程裡面又遇到了強降雨然後再次的在這個河仁至崇德之間發生土石流淹沒了東西的這個東西陣線等於五天斷三次\n那本席再次強調我們很感謝台鐵跟地線人員的辛勞才能夠在今天清晨恢復這個北回線的這個單向雙向通車不過我想要請部長你設身處地的想想如果您是台中人只要每到大雨就可能會中斷的鐵路你會安心 你會搭得安心嗎\n而且部長你也知道了部長我們上個禮拜台東舉辦一個很大的音樂會叫動浪音樂嘉年華那一天湧進非常非常多的遊客那如果16號跟18號的這兩件事情發生在同一天\n那台東就會變成孤島直接回去這樣那這樣的極端狀況其實並不是沒有發生過其實像我還記得當年穆拉克的時候本席在大武相公所擔任越顧人員我記得那時候南北鐵路中斷甚至連公路都中斷我們一度只能靠空投物資再撐下去那一直堅持到道路搶通因為這樣子本席到我們立法院來其實\n不斷的跟中央爭取兩件事情第一就是東部人的鐵路平權這件事情第二就是花東快速道路的興建因為我們東部人愛的很簡單的就是一條安全平安回家的道路那很遺憾我們政府每次都是遇到的狀況才開始喊口號\n那對於這幾天的事故本市第一時間立刻請台鐵來協助加派這個加班車還有啟動我們攻略接駁那昨天我們也跟台鐵跟交通部來開會針對我們陸海空的這個運距聯邦機制來進行這個檢討我們務必在最短的時間讓我們這個替代的運距到位對我們這旅客的這個衝擊降到最低那\n不過這個事情之後再次凸顯出我們東部交通的脆弱性那很多台東人都會問說為什麼我們復旦跟西部一樣高的這個高額的台北票價卻要承受這種三天斷兩次的這種風險尤其對於台北廠票價西部還有戈堤 還有戈壽公路 還有K文它有替代的方式台東沒有其他的選擇我們只有這一條鐵公路\n那是不是這個是中央要逼迫東部人接受這樣的結果那在這邊我要具體的請部長來回答針對你之前答應本席會在五月底提出這個花東專屬優惠票價是不是會有新的方案而不是過去那個一趴兩趴的回饋機制那目前的優惠票價部長是不是可以來說明一下好 報告委員\n您在台東也是從出生到現在,您應該很清楚從過去到現在台東的票價都跟西部是一樣的\n所以我們現在要啟動的是第一次史上第一次台東人會有優惠的票價過去台東人沒有這樣子的優惠票價那我們也清楚的知道說0403的地震之後確實整個交通路網的脆弱度確實是有造成所以我們也第一次史上第一次要讓台東人跟花蓮的鄉親都有更便宜的票價\n那這個票價目前台鐵正在研議當中他們在這個月的月底或者是六月初就一定會提出具體的方案也跟委員報告不會是一趴兩趴的這種這麼少 不會這麼少提醒一下部長 部長其實為什麼我這時候再次追問是因為部長因為現在的時間點已經距離五月底其實也很快那我們的車票預購其實在二十八天前就可以預購如果你票價沒有出來這些會直接影響到所以這部分是請教部長我們來加快\n主席我再給我一點點的時間最後我要跟部長來爭取交通跟觀光是一體的去年年四零三我們東部地震造成觀光重創後來本席也在立法院強力的爭取希望比照花蓮一樣就是將我們振興補助方案納入後來成功的爭取到補助加碼的部分現在台東的\n觀光旅順業最仰賴目前就是我們暑期暑假這個檔期不過我們現在面臨兩個問題第一就是我們提到的這個目前遇到的北回鐵路的不穩定第二是未來台幣升值之後會不會造成出國\n出國熱門然後排擠到我們國旅的市場像我們從這次端午連假觀光署公布的這個資料可以看到只有澎湖苗栗跟連江縣有住宿超過六成其他地方都沒有所以本市這邊要求觀光署是不是可以針對我們東部的災情狀況提出演繹的這個振興旅遊方案請部長回答\n報告委員我們可能會用其他的方式啦例如說我們用活動的方式去引客那當然交通的建置是最重要的交通的建置要讓它穩定旅客才會比較願意來這個部分我們也會努力那觀光的部分我們想辦法再多用一些活動來促進東部的觀光部長這個都即刻都遇到的問題那台東的產業其實很單純農業跟觀光也希望部裡面這邊來協助我們台東在產業以及交通上的這些改善好我們來努力謝謝部長謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.598 --> 00:10.001\n好謝謝主席我們有請江部長請陳部長\n\n00:21.936 --> 00:38.695\n委員好部長我們有默契你就知道我要找你喔是是是不然你如果找我今天來找你你會問什麼事情你也要清澈啦是是部長我們的鐵路是台中人外出讀書工作返家甚至就醫最主要的交通工具是\n\n00:39.415 --> 00:59.402\n但是這幾天台東的連外鐵路卻接連發生狀況造成南北鐵路分別中斷首先我要跟台鐵及第一線人員辛苦表達感謝在我們今天早上清晨北回線河仁至崇德之間的鐵路已經搶通東正線可以恢復單線雙向通車\n\n01:04.784 --> 01:23.906\n那不過之前我們看到5月16號下午5點南回鐵路訪山到家路車站的這個電車線端落那大武站到訪寮站大批乘客只能透過遊覽車接駁5月18號星期四下午北回鐵路\n\n01:24.887 --> 01:50.400\n河仁跟崇德之間發生的土石流造成台東往北方向的鐵路中斷原本台東的連外鐵路就是說三天內等兩倍那昨天下午呢然後在搶修過程裡面又遇到了強降雨然後再次的在這個河仁至崇德之間發生土石流淹沒了東西的這個東西陣線等於五天斷三次\n\n01:51.340 --> 02:13.942\n那本席再次強調我們很感謝台鐵跟地線人員的辛勞才能夠在今天清晨恢復這個北回線的這個單向雙向通車不過我想要請部長你設身處地的想想如果您是台中人只要每到大雨就可能會中斷的鐵路你會安心你會搭得安心嗎\n\n02:15.831 --> 02:29.750\n而且部長你也知道了部長我們上個禮拜台東舉辦一個很大的音樂會叫動浪音樂嘉年華那一天湧進非常非常多的遊客那如果16號跟18號的這兩件事情發生在同一天\n\n02:30.931 --> 02:55.487\n那台東就會變成孤島直接回去這樣那這樣的極端狀況其實並不是沒有發生過其實像我還記得當年穆拉克的時候本席在大武相公所擔任越顧人員我記得那時候南北鐵路中斷甚至連公路都中斷我們一度只能靠空投物資再撐下去那一直堅持到道路搶通因為這樣子本席到我們立法院來其實\n\n02:56.408 --> 03:12.629\n不斷的跟中央爭取兩件事情第一就是東部人的鐵路平權這件事情第二就是花東快速道路的興建因為我們東部人愛的很簡單的就是一條安全平安回家的道路那很遺憾我們政府每次都是遇到的狀況才開始喊口號\n\n03:13.490 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