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00:02:04,534\n好那麼我要問一下金管會那麼因為這個整體如果未來真的主權基金要進來的時候其實大家知道它必定會跟我們的相關的國內的包括這些金融都會有相關那麼金管會是站在什麼樣的一個角度因為未來這一筆龐大的資金那麼也會需要金融監理那麼金管會又會站在什麼角度呢在設立專法以前其實我相信國人也會很想要知道我現在邀請到的三位首長你們的態度是什麼\n\n7\n00:02:05,540 --> 00:02:22,555\n當然這國家政策金管會是支持那只是說接下來金管會所扮演的角色比如說剛剛其實部長跟副總裁都提到未來的形勢是有各種不同的形態比如說剛剛也有委員提到保險業的資金的去入\n\n8\n00:02:23,075 --> 00:02:39,787\n那假如說未來的方式是以國家發債的方式我想這時候我們的金融機構的資金就可以來支持這件事情比如像這樣的話我們就會鼓勵我們的金融業來參與這樣因為我們的保險業特別需要國內的投資嘛所以這個大概是這樣一個方向好\n\n9\n00:02:40,607 --> 00:03:08,895\n因為我覺得這個部分是這樣我相信現在不論是財政部啦或者是像這個我們的相關的單位都會認為說沒有專財但是就像萬事起頭難我們國內其實有四大基金包括勞動部的勞工保險基金勞退基金勞保基金勞退基金然後權序部有公務人員退休撫恤基金交通部有郵政基金其實他們底下這些單位不論是勞金局或者是這個公務人員退休的管理基金的管理局\n\n10\n00:03:09,315 --> 00:03:23,920\n或者是中華郵政他們一開始一定也都是沒有這些單位那未來這些單位要怎麼樣的成立恐怕就是財政部或者是央行甚至於金管會我相信這些法規在修的時候應該都會把這些東西考慮進去那我只是認為本席我們在上一屆的時候包括我們都有參與有關於主權基金的提案相關的部分我覺得現場包括我們財委會的羅明財委員他當時也是一起共同提案\n\n11\n00:03:37,085 --> 00:03:46,616\n那麼我認為這些東西都可以再次拿來參考他過去討論那麼現在可能實際上可以運用的到那麼另外一個我要問的題目的話就請財政部長留下來彭主委跟我們的總裁可以先回去休息喔\n\n12\n00:03:52,142 --> 00:04:19,285\n就是本席其實一直在追的這個問題就是有關於現在中國的滲透的方法方方面面其中有一個方式是現在透過歌迷會的方式那麼本席特別關注的是像這樣的一個具有中國資金背景的公司他在澳門是有黨政軍背景公司然後他委託台灣這間叫做上億公司來做處理\n\n13\n00:04:19,986 --> 00:04:27,772\n那這樣的一個歌迷會呢問題在哪裡為什麼會跟財政部有關呢不是國安的問題嗎我跟主席借個兩分鐘我把這個題目釐清也希望財政部跟複稅署能夠來了解就是這樣一個歌迷會5月10號台灣才賣票但是中國的黃牛4月30號就可以開賣了而且他委託的是境外\n\n14\n00:04:45,188 --> 00:05:01,301\n的這種所謂的公司在做切票我們要知道一場歌迷會到底他賣了多少張票有多少的收入如果在台灣境內用台灣的售票系統包括營業稅包括銀索稅我們可以抓得到\n\n15\n00:05:02,122 --> 00:05:25,007\n但是如果說是4月30號在境外中國的黃牛用中國的售票系統就買了我現在要求的是這個有沒有逃漏稅的問題有沒有相關的問題除了國安的問題之外我覺得站在財委會的角度財政部的角度是這些稅不能讓它跑掉所以我請問部長或會署這個事情能不能查\n\n16\n00:05:28,968 --> 00:05:35,217\n然後可以怎麼查如果沒有答案我可以請你們提交報告給我然後告訴我多久可以有報告是不是我們了解整個情況以後再以報告來給委員\n\n17\n00:05:42,148 --> 00:06:08,818\n那可以查嗎先告訴我這樣可以查嗎報告委員其實我們在查有沒有漏報營業稅短漏營業稅委員所說有很多方法像這個如果他最後這個見面什麼歌迷什麼簽證會這種事在台灣舉行其實我們也可以實地去看現場到底有多少歌迷在那邊如果當然有一種狀況是如果他是封鎖的不讓我們進去那是另外公權力的行為兩個禮拜兩個禮拜提一個報告給\n\n18\n00:06:11,519 --> 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那麼我要問一下金管會那麼因為這個整體如果未來真的主權基金要進來的時候其實大家知道它必定會跟我們的相關的國內的包括這些金融都會有相關那麼金管會是站在什麼樣的一個角度因為未來這一筆龐大的資金那麼也會需要金融監理那麼金管會又會站在什麼角度呢在設立專法以前其實我相信國人也會很想要知道我現在邀請到的三位首長你們的態度是什麼\n當然這國家政策金管會是支持那只是說接下來金管會所扮演的角色比如說剛剛其實部長跟副總裁都提到未來的形勢是有各種不同的形態比如說剛剛也有委員提到保險業的資金的去入\n那假如說未來的方式是以國家發債的方式我想這時候我們的金融機構的資金就可以來支持這件事情比如像這樣的話我們就會鼓勵我們的金融業來參與這樣因為我們的保險業特別需要國內的投資嘛所以這個大概是這樣一個方向好\n因為我覺得這個部分是這樣我相信現在不論是財政部啦或者是像這個我們的相關的單位都會認為說沒有專財但是就像萬事起頭難我們國內其實有四大基金包括勞動部的勞工保險基金勞退基金勞保基金勞退基金然後權序部有公務人員退休撫恤基金交通部有郵政基金其實他們底下這些單位不論是勞金局或者是這個公務人員退休的管理基金的管理局\n或者是中華郵政他們一開始一定也都是沒有這些單位那未來這些單位要怎麼樣的成立恐怕就是財政部或者是央行甚至於金管會我相信這些法規在修的時候應該都會把這些東西考慮進去那我只是認為本席我們在上一屆的時候包括我們都有參與有關於主權基金的提案相關的部分我覺得現場包括我們財委會的羅明財委員他當時也是一起共同提案\n那麼我認為這些東西都可以再次拿來參考他過去討論那麼現在可能實際上可以運用的到那麼另外一個我要問的題目的話就請財政部長留下來彭主委跟我們的總裁可以先回去休息喔\n就是本席其實一直在追的這個問題就是有關於現在中國的滲透的方法方方面面其中有一個方式是現在透過歌迷會的方式那麼本席特別關注的是像這樣的一個具有中國資金背景的公司他在澳門是有黨政軍背景公司然後他委託台灣這間叫做上億公司來做處理\n那這樣的一個歌迷會呢問題在哪裡為什麼會跟財政部有關呢不是國安的問題嗎我跟主席借個兩分鐘我把這個題目釐清也希望財政部跟複稅署能夠來了解就是這樣一個歌迷會5月10號台灣才賣票但是中國的黃牛4月30號就可以開賣了而且他委託的是境外\n的這種所謂的公司在做切票我們要知道一場歌迷會到底他賣了多少張票有多少的收入如果在台灣境內用台灣的售票系統包括營業稅 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