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00:01:26,605\n他被控性騷六位就是女醫師同仁然後今天很多人關心的黃姓前住院醫師性侵病人我覺得我想問的是台大婦產科都是台大婦產科\n\n5\n00:01:29,607 --> 00:01:46,576\n三年連環三大案這個是因為其中的性騷也是情節嚴重的權勢性騷然後另外兩案都是性侵案為什麼台大婦產科三年可以報三案到底是內部\n\n6\n00:01:47,196 --> 00:02:08,288\n我覺得是不是除錯機制或者是組織文化出了什麼問題因為婦產科對我們來講更嚴重因為婦產科他本來就會涉及到病患的性隱私高度的敏感那專業倫理如果出了或者組織文化出了嚴重的問題我想社會信賴也會崩解所以我今天\n\n7\n00:02:09,529 --> 00:02:30,051\n因為剛剛已經有人講過案情了我就不再重複黃姓一失案就是一審判決出爐大家已經知道了比較少提到的剛剛有一位委員有問到就是我接到的陳情人就是這位陳姓李市長權勢性騷被台大醫院調查去年六月就是情節重大權勢性騷對多位\n\n8\n00:02:32,273 --> 00:02:46,031\n台大教評會讓他三年不得聘任為教師那這樣的人不知道次長您覺得他適合擔任婦產科婦產學會的理事長嗎您個人會認為他適合嗎我自己也是婦產科醫學會的會員\n\n9\n00:02:47,873 --> 00:03:03,599\n是我知道所以您感觉这样子的一个事件事实上深深的伤害了不论是妇产科医师或者是全部的医师在民众的信任这件事情我想委员我们一起都处理过性平三法法律事实上是所有道德的最低底线\n\n10\n00:03:03,979 --> 00:03:21,132\n那醫師身為專業工作者也接受在患症學分裡面應該有的性別學分甚至我相信醫師有足夠的專業能力以及他的知能知道他對於病患之間應該有的行為所以這件事情事實上是真的非常不可接受\n\n11\n00:03:21,949 --> 00:03:44,964\n所以你也不能接受他繼續擔任理事長而且還要帶隊出國那陳情人跟受害人可能是好朋友甚至是受害人因為他們都不願意揭露自己公開揭露他的訊息那我真的覺得作為一位就是長期關心性評我對婦產科學會這種處理方式覺得不可思議我也覺得相關的機制應該是哪裡出了問題當然台大\n\n12\n00:03:47,785 --> 00:03:54,368\n婦產科醫師的部分我想我們今天是向衛福部請命基層醫師的公會也都已經發聲明了我們要給年輕醫師一個怎麼樣的示範我想就幾個問題想請問因為衛福部剛剛有講你們會發函給各地公會\n\n13\n00:04:06,252 --> 00:04:30,691\n可是這裡面台大醫院說他一月就已經發函不只是衛福部地方主管機關醫師公會所以台北或新北衛生局到底有沒有一副懲戒醫師公會婦產科醫學會有沒有懲戒衛福部在今天之前有沒有追蹤監督然後台大醫院把他停病三年為什麼還可以到其他醫院去任職那最後一個謝謝次長林靜次長已經回答說他不適任了那\n\n14\n00:04:35,595 --> 00:05:02,709\n我自己是也想問的是我們的醫師法跟相關的懲戒辦法我仔細讀了一下好像完全沒有說實現多久內要調查完畢懲戒完畢開完會那也只有給相關當事人什麼20天之內要回應等等這一些那懲戒辦法是不是應該要做修正也希望那個林建一次長那今天您就全權代表衛福部\n\n15\n00:05:04,110 --> 00:05:31,205\n那既然部長人在WHO是不是就能夠承諾大家你們會修正檢討然後剛剛這幾個單位都能夠監督他們謝謝委員關心我想我們在這個事情尤其是黃姓婦產科醫師這個案子我們是到判決之後那判決看到了之後我們立刻行文給地方衛生局希望他們能夠來一副懲戒所以在衛福部這邊我們的動作知道的時候是這個樣子\n\n16\n00:05:32,125 --> 00:05:58,084\n那至於說現在的資訊是就我們所了解地方衛生局接下來應該是預計在七月份六月份會開懲戒那針對我們最近所關注到的三位婦產科醫師來開懲戒我們也希望我今天也在今天委員會再一次的希望就是說在懲戒的過程之中醫界要能夠發現也能夠理解整個社會對於醫療人員尤其是醫師的倫理應有的態度\n\n17\n00:06:00,285 --> 00:06:23,357\n那至於說在學會這邊那為什麼這位台大解聘三年不能夠當教授的他還可以也就是不能當醫院的醫師嗎因為這是教學院還可以去別的醫院呢其實這個就是他在然後還可以當理事長理事長因為這樣學會內部當然我也跟委員報告就是說我跟部長其實我們在過去這幾個月持續有跟學會這邊提到這個疑慮你們提疑慮他們還可以不處理\n\n18\n00:06:24,177 --> 00:06:45,194\n學會一再強調就是他們內部的一些規定以及包含學會說他們還要再等一些調查等等台大醫院的調查詮釋性騷塵力情節重大他們還認為沒有公信力各位知道這樣的東西很難有證據所以並不容易調查我覺得這是組織文化的問題不知道次長同不同意因為大家輕忽了然後包庇這樣的醫師\n\n19\n00:06:51,179 --> 00:07:04,051\n然後讓一粒老鼠屎壞了讓大家失去了對整個領域的信任我覺得真的很遺憾非常需要正視的一件非常嚴重的事情而且我也要在這個角色裡面去說我認為相關的整個醫界\n\n20\n00:07:08,047 --> 00:07:21,943\n除了在談到要重視或者是要保障這個所謂的當事人的權益之外也希望我們的學會跟醫界要能夠考慮到這個過程中的被害者權益這裡面的被害者甚至很多是我們自己的同事\n\n21\n00:07:23,001 --> 00:07:40,067\n以這位那個陳姓醫師來講就是受害的女醫師嗎而且權勢地位上遠低於她所以在這個過程裡面我們也希望醫界要能夠不斷的去提醒自己這個過程中受害者的權利是更應該要被放在優先前提\n\n22\n00:07:40,492 --> 00:07:57,779\n那今天是不是也請就是次長也能夠去關切因為我看醫師公會的聲明他們也認為台大醫院雖然給他相關的懲戒等等但是對於其他住院醫師受害人的權益其實並沒有做得很好好不好那所以次長願意修正懲戒辦法\n\n23\n00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:25,210\n我想在懲戒辦法部分跟委員報告我們事實上除了醫師之外因為我們也發現各醫事人員的職種他內部相關的倫理或懲戒都散在各個法裡面所以醫事司我們正在研議就是說是不是把這個部分全部做一個中整那讓醫事人員的行為部份能夠有一個比較明確的準則那在多久之內可以給本席一個報告呢我們是不是可以在兩個月兩個月內那希望不要再讓這些學會公會再有任何的藉口好不好是謝謝謝謝次長謝謝謝謝黃偉維\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4565\t6307\t有請次長我也好 次長好那今天我是要關心台大婦產科的事那我本來以為我今天要問部長因為我知道次長都有表達相關的意見那不能每次性別相關都叫女性首長出來這樣很不公平那不過因為今天只有次長可以問那我就贏了\n31388\t49573\t這樣子 當然了解那其實今天蠻多委員有關心到黃姓前住院醫師案那我知道衛福部剛剛有表達說你們會發函給各地公會強調不需要判刑確定就能送懲處那我今天其實是想用我的投影片來問\n52073\t69288\t這其實是第一案2023年的鄭姓醫師案次長應該知道當時是我辦公室接到陳情他知道這位醫師至少性侵或性猥褻六位女性然後2024爆出的陳姓醫師現在還是婦產科醫學會理事長\n72731\t86605\t他被控性騷六位就是女醫師同仁然後今天很多人關心的黃姓前住院醫師性侵病人我覺得我想問的是台大婦產科都是台大婦產科\n89607\t106576\t三年連環三大案這個是因為其中的性騷也是情節嚴重的權勢性騷然後另外兩案都是性侵案為什麼台大婦產科三年可以報三案到底是內部\n107196\t128288\t我覺得是不是除錯機制或者是組織文化出了什麼問題因為婦產科對我們來講更嚴重因為婦產科他本來就會涉及到病患的性隱私高度的敏感那專業倫理如果出了或者組織文化出了嚴重的問題我想社會信賴也會崩解所以我今天\n129529\t150051\t因為剛剛已經有人講過案情了我就不再重複黃姓一失案就是一審判決出爐大家已經知道了比較少提到的剛剛有一位委員有問到就是我接到的陳情人就是這位陳姓李市長權勢性騷被台大醫院調查去年六月就是情節重大權勢性騷對多位\n152273\t166031\t台大教評會讓他三年不得聘任為教師那這樣的人 不知道次長您覺得他適合擔任婦產科婦產學會的理事長嗎您個人會認為他適合嗎我自己也是婦產科醫學會的會員\n167873\t183599\t是我知道所以您感觉这样子的一个事件事实上深深的伤害了不论是妇产科医师或者是全部的医师在民众的信任这件事情我想委员我们一起都处理过性平三法法律事实上是所有道德的最低底线\n183979\t201132\t那醫師身為專業工作者也接受在患症學分裡面應該有的性別學分甚至我相信醫師有足夠的專業能力以及他的知能知道他對於病患之間應該有的行為所以這件事情事實上是真的非常不可接受\n201949\t224964\t所以你也不能接受他繼續擔任理事長而且還要帶隊出國那陳情人跟受害人可能是好朋友甚至是受害人因為他們都不願意揭露自己公開揭露他的訊息那我真的覺得作為一位就是長期關心性評我對婦產科學會這種處理方式覺得不可思議我也覺得相關的機制應該是哪裡出了問題當然台大\n227785\t234368\t婦產科醫師的部分我想我們今天是向衛福部請命基層醫師的公會也都已經發聲明了我們要給年輕醫師一個怎麼樣的示範我想就幾個問題想請問因為衛福部剛剛有講你們會發函給各地公會\n246252\t270691\t可是這裡面台大醫院說他一月就已經發函不只是衛福部地方主管機關醫師公會所以台北或新北衛生局到底有沒有一副懲戒醫師公會婦產科醫學會有沒有懲戒衛福部在今天之前有沒有追蹤監督然後台大醫院把他停病三年為什麼還可以到其他醫院去任職那最後一個謝謝次長林靜次長已經回答說他不適任了那\n275595\t302709\t我自己是也想問的是我們的醫師法跟相關的懲戒辦法我仔細讀了一下好像完全沒有說實現多久內要調查完畢懲戒完畢開完會那也只有給相關當事人什麼20天之內要回應等等這一些那懲戒辦法是不是應該要做修正也希望那個林建一次長那今天您就全權代表衛福部\n304110\t331205\t那既然部長人在WHO是不是就能夠承諾大家你們會修正檢討然後剛剛這幾個單位都能夠監督他們謝謝委員關心我想我們在這個事情尤其是黃姓婦產科醫師這個案子我們是到判決之後那判決看到了之後我們立刻行文給地方衛生局希望他們能夠來一副懲戒所以在衛福部這邊我們的動作知道的時候是這個樣子\n332125\t358084\t那至於說現在的資訊是就我們所了解地方衛生局接下來應該是預計在七月份六月份會開懲戒那針對我們最近所關注到的三位婦產科醫師來開懲戒我們也希望我今天也在今天委員會再一次的希望就是說在懲戒的過程之中醫界要能夠發現也能夠理解整個社會對於醫療人員尤其是醫師的倫理應有的態度\n360285\t383357\t那至於說在學會這邊那為什麼這位台大解聘三年不能夠當教授的他還可以也就是不能當醫院的醫師嗎因為這是教學院還可以去別的醫院呢其實這個就是他在然後還可以當理事長理事長因為這樣學會內部當然我也跟委員報告就是說我跟部長其實我們在過去這幾個月持續有跟學會這邊提到這個疑慮你們提疑慮他們還可以不處理\n384177\t405194\t學會一再強調就是他們內部的一些規定以及包含學會說他們還要再等一些調查等等台大醫院的調查詮釋性騷塵力情節重大他們還認為沒有公信力各位知道這樣的東西很難有證據所以並不容易調查我覺得這是組織文化的問題不知道次長同不同意因為大家輕忽了然後包庇這樣的醫師\n411179\t424051\t然後讓一粒老鼠屎壞了讓大家失去了對整個領域的信任我覺得真的很遺憾非常需要正視的一件非常嚴重的事情而且我也要在這個角色裡面去說我認為相關的整個醫界\n428047\t441943\t除了在談到要重視或者是要保障這個所謂的當事人的權益之外也希望我們的學會跟醫界要能夠考慮到這個過程中的被害者權益這裡面的被害者甚至很多是我們自己的同事\n443001\t460067\t以這位那個陳姓醫師來講就是受害的女醫師嗎而且權勢地位上遠低於她所以在這個過程裡面我們也希望醫界要能夠不斷的去提醒自己這個過程中受害者的權利是更應該要被放在優先前提\n460492\t477779\t那今天是不是也請就是次長也能夠去關切因為我看醫師公會的聲明他們也認為台大醫院雖然給他相關的懲戒等等但是對於其他住院醫師受害人的權益其實並沒有做得很好好不好那所以次長願意修正懲戒辦法\n478319\t505210\t我想在懲戒辦法部分跟委員報告我們事實上除了醫師之外因為我們也發現各醫事人員的職種他內部相關的倫理或懲戒都散在各個法裡面所以醫事司我們正在研議就是說是不是把這個部分全部做一個中整那讓醫事人員的行為部份能夠有一個比較明確的準則那在多久之內可以給本席一個報告呢我們是不是可以在兩個月兩個月內那希望不要再讓這些學會公會再有任何的藉口好不好是 謝謝謝謝次長謝謝 謝謝黃偉維\n","txt":"有請次長我也好 次長好那今天我是要關心台大婦產科的事那我本來以為我今天要問部長因為我知道次長都有表達相關的意見那不能每次性別相關都叫女性首長出來這樣很不公平那不過因為今天只有次長可以問那我就贏了\n這樣子 當然了解那其實今天蠻多委員有關心到黃姓前住院醫師案那我知道衛福部剛剛有表達說你們會發函給各地公會強調不需要判刑確定就能送懲處那我今天其實是想用我的投影片來問\n這其實是第一案2023年的鄭姓醫師案次長應該知道當時是我辦公室接到陳情他知道這位醫師至少性侵或性猥褻六位女性然後2024爆出的陳姓醫師現在還是婦產科醫學會理事長\n他被控性騷六位就是女醫師同仁然後今天很多人關心的黃姓前住院醫師性侵病人我覺得我想問的是台大婦產科都是台大婦產科\n三年連環三大案這個是因為其中的性騷也是情節嚴重的權勢性騷然後另外兩案都是性侵案為什麼台大婦產科三年可以報三案到底是內部\n我覺得是不是除錯機制或者是組織文化出了什麼問題因為婦產科對我們來講更嚴重因為婦產科他本來就會涉及到病患的性隱私高度的敏感那專業倫理如果出了或者組織文化出了嚴重的問題我想社會信賴也會崩解所以我今天\n因為剛剛已經有人講過案情了我就不再重複黃姓一失案就是一審判決出爐大家已經知道了比較少提到的剛剛有一位委員有問到就是我接到的陳情人就是這位陳姓李市長權勢性騷被台大醫院調查去年六月就是情節重大權勢性騷對多位\n台大教評會讓他三年不得聘任為教師那這樣的人 不知道次長您覺得他適合擔任婦產科婦產學會的理事長嗎您個人會認為他適合嗎我自己也是婦產科醫學會的會員\n是我知道所以您感觉这样子的一个事件事实上深深的伤害了不论是妇产科医师或者是全部的医师在民众的信任这件事情我想委员我们一起都处理过性平三法法律事实上是所有道德的最低底线\n那醫師身為專業工作者也接受在患症學分裡面應該有的性別學分甚至我相信醫師有足夠的專業能力以及他的知能知道他對於病患之間應該有的行為所以這件事情事實上是真的非常不可接受\n所以你也不能接受他繼續擔任理事長而且還要帶隊出國那陳情人跟受害人可能是好朋友甚至是受害人因為他們都不願意揭露自己公開揭露他的訊息那我真的覺得作為一位就是長期關心性評我對婦產科學會這種處理方式覺得不可思議我也覺得相關的機制應該是哪裡出了問題當然台大\n婦產科醫師的部分我想我們今天是向衛福部請命基層醫師的公會也都已經發聲明了我們要給年輕醫師一個怎麼樣的示範我想就幾個問題想請問因為衛福部剛剛有講你們會發函給各地公會\n可是這裡面台大醫院說他一月就已經發函不只是衛福部地方主管機關醫師公會所以台北或新北衛生局到底有沒有一副懲戒醫師公會婦產科醫學會有沒有懲戒衛福部在今天之前有沒有追蹤監督然後台大醫院把他停病三年為什麼還可以到其他醫院去任職那最後一個謝謝次長林靜次長已經回答說他不適任了那\n我自己是也想問的是我們的醫師法跟相關的懲戒辦法我仔細讀了一下好像完全沒有說實現多久內要調查完畢懲戒完畢開完會那也只有給相關當事人什麼20天之內要回應等等這一些那懲戒辦法是不是應該要做修正也希望那個林建一次長那今天您就全權代表衛福部\n那既然部長人在WHO是不是就能夠承諾大家你們會修正檢討然後剛剛這幾個單位都能夠監督他們謝謝委員關心我想我們在這個事情尤其是黃姓婦產科醫師這個案子我們是到判決之後那判決看到了之後我們立刻行文給地方衛生局希望他們能夠來一副懲戒所以在衛福部這邊我們的動作知道的時候是這個樣子\n那至於說現在的資訊是就我們所了解地方衛生局接下來應該是預計在七月份六月份會開懲戒那針對我們最近所關注到的三位婦產科醫師來開懲戒我們也希望我今天也在今天委員會再一次的希望就是說在懲戒的過程之中醫界要能夠發現也能夠理解整個社會對於醫療人員尤其是醫師的倫理應有的態度\n那至於說在學會這邊那為什麼這位台大解聘三年不能夠當教授的他還可以也就是不能當醫院的醫師嗎因為這是教學院還可以去別的醫院呢其實這個就是他在然後還可以當理事長理事長因為這樣學會內部當然我也跟委員報告就是說我跟部長其實我們在過去這幾個月持續有跟學會這邊提到這個疑慮你們提疑慮他們還可以不處理\n學會一再強調就是他們內部的一些規定以及包含學會說他們還要再等一些調查等等台大醫院的調查詮釋性騷塵力情節重大他們還認為沒有公信力各位知道這樣的東西很難有證據所以並不容易調查我覺得這是組織文化的問題不知道次長同不同意因為大家輕忽了然後包庇這樣的醫師\n然後讓一粒老鼠屎壞了讓大家失去了對整個領域的信任我覺得真的很遺憾非常需要正視的一件非常嚴重的事情而且我也要在這個角色裡面去說我認為相關的整個醫界\n除了在談到要重視或者是要保障這個所謂的當事人的權益之外也希望我們的學會跟醫界要能夠考慮到這個過程中的被害者權益這裡面的被害者甚至很多是我們自己的同事\n以這位那個陳姓醫師來講就是受害的女醫師嗎而且權勢地位上遠低於她所以在這個過程裡面我們也希望醫界要能夠不斷的去提醒自己這個過程中受害者的權利是更應該要被放在優先前提\n那今天是不是也請就是次長也能夠去關切因為我看醫師公會的聲明他們也認為台大醫院雖然給他相關的懲戒等等但是對於其他住院醫師受害人的權益其實並沒有做得很好好不好那所以次長願意修正懲戒辦法\n我想在懲戒辦法部分跟委員報告我們事實上除了醫師之外因為我們也發現各醫事人員的職種他內部相關的倫理或懲戒都散在各個法裡面所以醫事司我們正在研議就是說是不是把這個部分全部做一個中整那讓醫事人員的行為部份能夠有一個比較明確的準則那在多久之內可以給本席一個報告呢我們是不是可以在兩個月兩個月內那希望不要再讓這些學會公會再有任何的藉口好不好是 謝謝謝謝次長謝謝 謝謝黃偉維\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.565 --> 00:06.307\n有請次長我也好次長好那今天我是要關心台大婦產科的事那我本來以為我今天要問部長因為我知道次長都有表達相關的意見那不能每次性別相關都叫女性首長出來這樣很不公平那不過因為今天只有次長可以問那我就贏了\n\n00:31.388 --> 00:49.573\n這樣子當然了解那其實今天蠻多委員有關心到黃姓前住院醫師案那我知道衛福部剛剛有表達說你們會發函給各地公會強調不需要判刑確定就能送懲處那我今天其實是想用我的投影片來問\n\n00:52.073 --> 01:09.288\n這其實是第一案2023年的鄭姓醫師案次長應該知道當時是我辦公室接到陳情他知道這位醫師至少性侵或性猥褻六位女性然後2024爆出的陳姓醫師現在還是婦產科醫學會理事長\n\n01:12.731 --> 01:26.605\n他被控性騷六位就是女醫師同仁然後今天很多人關心的黃姓前住院醫師性侵病人我覺得我想問的是台大婦產科都是台大婦產科\n\n01:29.607 --> 01:46.576\n三年連環三大案這個是因為其中的性騷也是情節嚴重的權勢性騷然後另外兩案都是性侵案為什麼台大婦產科三年可以報三案到底是內部\n\n01:47.196 --> 02:08.288\n我覺得是不是除錯機制或者是組織文化出了什麼問題因為婦產科對我們來講更嚴重因為婦產科他本來就會涉及到病患的性隱私高度的敏感那專業倫理如果出了或者組織文化出了嚴重的問題我想社會信賴也會崩解所以我今天\n\n02:09.529 --> 02:30.051\n因為剛剛已經有人講過案情了我就不再重複黃姓一失案就是一審判決出爐大家已經知道了比較少提到的剛剛有一位委員有問到就是我接到的陳情人就是這位陳姓李市長權勢性騷被台大醫院調查去年六月就是情節重大權勢性騷對多位\n\n02:32.273 --> 02:46.031\n台大教評會讓他三年不得聘任為教師那這樣的人不知道次長您覺得他適合擔任婦產科婦產學會的理事長嗎您個人會認為他適合嗎我自己也是婦產科醫學會的會員\n\n02:47.873 --> 03:03.599\n是我知道所以您感觉这样子的一个事件事实上深深的伤害了不论是妇产科医师或者是全部的医师在民众的信任这件事情我想委员我们一起都处理过性平三法法律事实上是所有道德的最低底线\n\n03:03.979 --> 03:21.132\n那醫師身為專業工作者也接受在患症學分裡面應該有的性別學分甚至我相信醫師有足夠的專業能力以及他的知能知道他對於病患之間應該有的行為所以這件事情事實上是真的非常不可接受\n\n03:21.949 --> 03:44.964\n所以你也不能接受他繼續擔任理事長而且還要帶隊出國那陳情人跟受害人可能是好朋友甚至是受害人因為他們都不願意揭露自己公開揭露他的訊息那我真的覺得作為一位就是長期關心性評我對婦產科學會這種處理方式覺得不可思議我也覺得相關的機制應該是哪裡出了問題當然台大\n\n03:47.785 --> 03:54.368\n婦產科醫師的部分我想我們今天是向衛福部請命基層醫師的公會也都已經發聲明了我們要給年輕醫師一個怎麼樣的示範我想就幾個問題想請問因為衛福部剛剛有講你們會發函給各地公會\n\n04:06.252 --> 04:30.691\n可是這裡面台大醫院說他一月就已經發函不只是衛福部地方主管機關醫師公會所以台北或新北衛生局到底有沒有一副懲戒醫師公會婦產科醫學會有沒有懲戒衛福部在今天之前有沒有追蹤監督然後台大醫院把他停病三年為什麼還可以到其他醫院去任職那最後一個謝謝次長林靜次長已經回答說他不適任了那\n\n04:35.595 --> 05:02.709\n我自己是也想問的是我們的醫師法跟相關的懲戒辦法我仔細讀了一下好像完全沒有說實現多久內要調查完畢懲戒完畢開完會那也只有給相關當事人什麼20天之內要回應等等這一些那懲戒辦法是不是應該要做修正也希望那個林建一次長那今天您就全權代表衛福部\n\n05:04.110 --> 05:31.205\n那既然部長人在WHO是不是就能夠承諾大家你們會修正檢討然後剛剛這幾個單位都能夠監督他們謝謝委員關心我想我們在這個事情尤其是黃姓婦產科醫師這個案子我們是到判決之後那判決看到了之後我們立刻行文給地方衛生局希望他們能夠來一副懲戒所以在衛福部這邊我們的動作知道的時候是這個樣子\n\n05:32.125 --> 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