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00:00:34,035\n好部長午安我今天只想談一件事情就是高齡者的交通權益我想這幾天大家都心裡非常的難過可是我還是要必須提醒高齡駕駛不是只有高齡者移動權的一個表現方式它同時也是一個如何精進駕駛能力評估的問題事實上相對事實上是重要不過在台灣快速邁向超高齡因為今年進入到超高齡社會\n\n3\n00:00:34,835 --> 00:00:50,944\n未來這件事情應該刻不容緩我相信部長不會反對我這樣說是吧那可是部長我們來看包括針對高齡者駕照的管理制度的檢討運援所在30年這30年前就在研究了\n\n4\n00:00:51,964 --> 00:01:04,211\n到2022年甚至還提出要通盤檢討其中也都有回顧各國高齡者的換照制度就30年了我上個會期也在這邊質詢\n\n5\n00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:29,977\n不是我有未補先知事實上這個三網本來就是狀況很嚴重我提醒交通部說你的那個高齡駕駛的這樣子的一個法規有漏洞我也整理了日本南韓做法建議交通部呢應該盡速研議要做到三件事情填補我們高齡駕駛的換照制度的漏洞還有提供安全裝置的補助還建立繳回駕照的講座\n\n6\n00:01:31,518 --> 00:01:51,976\n機制還有持續加強偏鄉的一個公共運輸那上週呢我跟許智傑召委呢還要找了老人福利推動聯盟跟交通的學者共同召開了記者會請交通部務必要細緻化去處理高齡駕駛人的管理我們建構\n\n7\n00:01:53,590 --> 00:02:19,382\n所謂的階段性的換照政策同場我們大概也找了衛福部那一起來做這個針對於那個能力的評估這些應該要有甚至也具體建議說是不是有高齡的安全駕駛補助那我覺得很可惜的是交通部不管是書面回覆說明報告或者是記者會的回覆都是不斷的說我們會再討論那會再研議研議再研議\n\n8\n00:02:22,944 --> 00:02:44,381\n就是不願意把過去做的研究跟各界的建議拿出來認真來考慮政策來推動我為什麼這樣提因為我說我去年10月23號就針對這個給了一些意見甚至我提出日本的這些日本男孩補助高齡者裝設車輛安全裝置防止暴衝部長你們素面報告怎麼回答我的你知道嗎\n\n9\n00:02:46,285 --> 00:03:13,024\n我現在正在看對正在看齁這邊寫的是什麼這邊寫的是說目前沒有車輛導入也不是聯合國標準配備所以要等聯合國納入標準配備以後再來討論要不要導入實施當時是這樣回答我可是我剛剛在聽部長在備詢的時候有某個委員問的時候你這邊說馬上三個月內就會來演議提出做法\n\n10\n00:03:14,002 --> 00:03:31,492\n我去年十月二十三的時候然後你們十一月八號的時候書面回覆我說要等聯合國要等聯合國三個月是評估不是一定會做我們要看我的預算規模做不做得到至少他好像也比我進一步那時候你還說要等聯合國納入標準配備之後才來去做\n\n11\n00:03:33,433 --> 00:03:54,024\n討論那何時聯合國那現在聯合國也還是沒有納入納入標準啊那你們這時候說要討論那如果剛剛部長講說你剛回答那個委員是講說你那時候才來討論那這似乎不管怎麼樣其實聯合國已經有納入了啦然後我們也已經有在這個小車的這個配備的要求裡面有做預告現在已經在預告當中了\n\n12\n00:03:54,830 --> 00:04:15,039\n所以我希望不要因為高齡駕駛發生問題的時候我們才來做因為每一條人命都是非常珍貴那是人家辛辛苦苦養出來的孩子那是期盼他回家的媽媽不能回了家所以我希望交通部不是用這樣子來針對這個還在拖延\n\n13\n00:04:17,820 --> 00:04:33,405\n那再來我們要看到交通安全事實上一直是我很關心的所以每一次部長來我一定都會來質詢可是我還是希望能夠持續透過各種方式監督所以我這邊再一次提醒日韓都有階段性換照不要說我們現在下降年齡\n\n14\n00:04:34,705 --> 00:04:52,013\n下降年齡如果他能力上有困難的話你基本上還是沒有解決問題啦所以我覺得那個階段性的換照制度是不是可以去做還有一個要規劃有階段性的追蹤這個人不會是今年檢查OK可是明年呢\n\n15\n00:04:52,553 --> 00:05:07,029\n也要不要有階段性的去追蹤所以我也同意年齡不是一個單一的駕駛安全的單一決定因素所以我們需要更細緻的而且希望能夠對於有鑑別度的身心能力檢核\n\n16\n00:05:08,274 --> 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