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00:02:39,003\n老師教育部他擬定了校園性別事件通報以及調查的處理程序如果校園發生了這樣的事件那他必須要在24小時之內他要完成校安的通報他必須要在24小時\n\n9\n00:02:40,405 --> 00:02:59,414\n如果行為人是教師他更要通知教品會先暫停停聘接受調查所以剛剛我也聽到市長你所說的這個是非常需要重視的你認為目前的問題在哪裡我們現行的醫師懲戒委員會\n\n10\n00:03:02,476 --> 00:03:27,773\n啟動時機沒有明確的一個法律規範那是不是我們應該要來修法要來明定讓整個的事件能夠更有效能來請說明好謝謝委員我想第一個事情當然我們希望是說現有的醫師法跟懲戒辦法它不論是知悉這件事情之後這個學會公會或者是這個機構它事實上可以提醒它的主管機關就地方的衛生局來\n\n11\n00:03:28,673 --> 00:03:47,283\n進行相關的懲戒的這個調查這是第一個事情第二個部分其實在我們修過的性騷擾防治法性騷擾防治法第13條之一在這個個案性騷擾被申訴人這個部分情節重大的話其實雇主就可以暫停或者是調整這個被申訴人的職務那請問那目前沒有這麼做\n\n12\n00:03:48,524 --> 00:03:55,367\n那怎麼辦呢請問你們要不要去整合把這個規範更明確在校園裡頭必須24小時就立即啟動然後通知如果行為人是老師的話就是現有的這個性平三法當然它內部在機構內部機關內部它有它的這個性平的調查機制這個部分我們會希望\n\n13\n00:04:12,975 --> 00:04:38,544\n再次的宣導希望大家能夠遵守這個部分第二個部分就是我們剛剛今天在委員會上已經強調就是說醫師我們在衛福部這邊會再發函給各縣市的醫師公會以及就是說我們的機構這邊再一次的強調依照目前不論是性平三法或者是在醫師法跟醫師懲戒辦法內部希望大家主動的來提起這樣子對於這樣不應該發生在醫界的言行來夠積極的來做處理\n\n14\n00:04:39,984 --> 00:04:57,580\n所以應該要更明定醫生醫師的醫院的這個通知不管是衛生局要啟動的這個懲戒程序要讓更執事者更加的清楚是我們希望能夠在現有的法律的制度之下能夠讓現有權責這邊能夠更清楚然後能夠\n\n15\n00:05:01,623 --> 00:05:21,102\n積極的來做處理這這麼大的一個爭議大家的不安心本席具體建議應該你要去盤點所有的法律所有的辦法要怎麼樣去規範出來讓執行者讓病患他都能夠非常的安心這個是應該要有一個均衡的權益\n\n16\n00:05:22,703 --> 00:05:49,066\n對不對也跟我們報告就是說因為現在大家關注的可能因為醫師的部分比較受到關注事實上醫事人員醫事人員在相關類似的事件除了現有性品三法之外他能不能繼續職業或他在他的原來職業機構內部怎麼樣去做處理這個部分我們醫事師接下來會開一個相關的會議去做開一個相關會議把醫事人員對醫事人員都打盤進去因為現在我們看到在整個社會的氛圍他是\n\n17\n00:05:50,100 --> 00:06:06,009\n他是害怕的我們不應該有這樣的一個樣態出來所以具體去研擬你們的進行方案那接下來本期要討論要請教的就是狼獅查詢平台邱部長在接受訪問的時候他也說要建立那現在有沒有這個進度\n\n18\n00:06:07,269 --> 00:06:26,356\n這個部分因為部長現在在WHO不過我們跟醫事室這邊我們會去優化現有的醫事人員的資訊整合的這個部分好那依照目前法律可以揭露的部分我們就先行那如果還需要再做法律調整的部分我們會後面再補上後面再補上所以你們可以說的我們就先做\n\n19\n00:06:27,136 --> 00:06:54,664\n對當然這個非常的必要才不會導致事件又再發生這個非常重要那你們現有的趕快做那不足的趕快補這個非常重要接下來本席要請教凱凱案外聘督導的功能到底是為何本席具體建議因為現在似乎模糊的空間很多模糊的空間很多所以本席要具體來了解也就是它的功能到底是什麼\n\n20\n00:06:55,484 --> 00:07:14,125\n他的功能到底是什麼?其實我們在原來機構內部就有他的內部的督導那來進行機構內部的整個外部督導所以在本來的內部有督導之外的外部督導他事實上是來透過他是來協助\n\n21\n00:07:16,386 --> 00:07:41,620\n機構內的督導他的在執行行政教育的部分增加我們第一線助人者就是社群協助嘛協助但是在這一些的工作上提升他的功能提升他的能力跟仿式的機制那發生這樣的一個事件大家推來推去仿式機制其實在原來機構內部就有已經發現重點內同的密切相關\n\n22\n00:07:43,195 --> 00:08:07,204\n跟我們報告內部訪視的制度裡面我們在去年的4月30跟5月1號我們都重新又施行了直轄市縣市政府居家托育服務中心訪視工作指引給地方政府針對他們在托育中心的訪視輔導員應該有的頻率而且這裡面我們也強調要有做分級也就是說有一些譬如說是出養啦發展遲緩\n\n23\n00:08:08,704 --> 00:08:29,759\n等特殊催加的孩童那這個部分請地方衛生局他在執行居托中心的訪視的過程中能夠針對這些比較脆弱的孩子他的增加他的訪視的頻率或他應該要有的訪視的職能目前當然我們知道這些人也都很辛苦但是我們不希望這個事件再發生所以\n\n24\n00:08:31,481 --> 00:08:55,118\n這個在我們整個的這個督導的機制要怎麼樣優化我也具體建議你們去盤點去看看哪一些可以明確可以精進好嗎多久時間給本席報告委員其實我們去年就已經把這個部分做精進多久時間可以給本席我們這個我們那個分級方式的這個部分是不是我們會後提供給委員好趕快謝謝委員好謝謝楊潔恩委員謝謝次長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3552\t4854\t謝謝主席 本席要請次長\n11630\t36613\t市長好我想一早上討論大家都有一個共識病患的權益不容許有任何的大則所以在發生這樣子的性騷跟性侵害我們看到台大醫院的婦產科的這一位醫師發生了性侵的這個事件竟然還長達三年半\n37193\t62447\t他沒有被停職或者是沒有被公佈姓名那外界都高度的質疑醫師的懲戒跟通報機制是私領的所以因此會影響病人的安全那麼所以在一整個早上本席聽起來大家都有這個共識病人的權利 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公會或者是這個機構它事實上可以提醒它的主管機關就地方的衛生局來\n208673\t227283\t進行相關的懲戒的這個調查這是第一個事情第二個部分其實在我們修過的性騷擾防治法性騷擾防治法第13條之一在這個個案性騷擾被申訴人這個部分情節重大的話其實雇主就可以暫停或者是調整這個被申訴人的職務那請問那目前沒有這麼做\n228524\t235367\t那怎麼辦呢請問你們要不要去整合把這個規範更明確在校園裡頭必須24小時就立即啟動然後通知如果行為人是老師的話就是現有的這個性平三法當然它內部在機構內部機關內部它有它的這個性平的調查機制這個部分我們會希望\n252975\t278544\t再次的宣導希望大家能夠遵守這個部分第二個部分就是我們剛剛今天在委員會上已經強調就是說醫師我們在衛福部這邊會再發函給各縣市的醫師公會以及就是說我們的機構這邊再一次的強調依照目前不論是性平三法或者是在醫師法跟醫師懲戒辦法內部希望大家主動的來提起這樣子對於這樣不應該發生在醫界的言行來夠積極的來做處理\n279984\t297580\t所以應該要更明定醫生醫師的醫院的這個通知不管是衛生局要啟動的這個懲戒程序要讓更 執事者更加的清楚是 我們希望能夠在現有的法律的制度之下能夠讓現有權責這邊能夠更清楚然後能夠\n301623\t321102\t積極的來做處理這這麼大的一個爭議大家的不安心本席具體建議應該你要去盤點所有的法律所有的辦法要怎麼樣去規範出來讓執行者讓病患他都能夠非常的安心這個是應該要有一個均衡的權益\n322703\t349066\t對不對也跟我們報告就是說因為現在大家關注的可能因為醫師的部分比較受到關注事實上醫事人員醫事人員在相關類似的事件除了現有性品三法之外他能不能繼續職業或他在他的原來職業機構內部怎麼樣去做處理這個部分我們醫事師接下來會開一個相關的會議去做開一個相關會議把醫事人員對醫事人員都打盤進去因為現在我們看到在整個社會的氛圍他是\n350100\t366009\t他是害怕的我們不應該有這樣的一個樣態出來所以具體去研擬你們的進行方案那接下來本期要討論要請教的就是狼獅查詢平台邱部長在接受訪問的時候他也說要建立那現在有沒有這個進度\n367269\t386356\t這個部分因為部長現在在WHO不過我們跟醫事室這邊我們會去優化現有的醫事人員的資訊整合的這個部分好那依照目前法律可以揭露的部分我們就先行那如果還需要再做法律調整的部分我們會後面再補上後面再補上所以你們可以說的我們就先做\n387136\t414664\t對 當然這個非常的必要才不會導致事件又再發生這個非常重要那你們現有的趕快做那不足的趕快補這個非常重要接下來本席要請教凱凱案外聘督導的功能到底是為何本席具體建議因為現在似乎模糊的空間很多模糊的空間很多所以本席要具體來了解也就是它的功能到底是什麼\n415484\t434125\t他的功能到底是什麼?其實我們在原來機構內部就有他的內部的督導那來進行機構內部的整個外部督導所以在本來的內部有督導之外的外部督導他事實上是來透過他是來協助\n436386\t461620\t機構內的督導他的在執行行政教育的部分增加我們第一線助人者就是社群協助嘛協助但是在這一些的工作上提升他的功能提升他的能力跟仿式的機制那發生這樣的一個事件大家推來推去仿式機制其實在原來機構內部就有已經發現重點內同的密切相關\n463195\t487204\t跟我們報告內部訪視的制度裡面我們在去年的4月30跟5月1號我們都重新又施行了直轄市縣市政府居家托育服務中心訪視工作指引給地方政府針對他們在托育中心的訪視輔導員應該有的頻率而且這裡面我們也強調要有做分級也就是說有一些譬如說是出養啦發展遲緩\n488704\t509759\t等特殊催加的孩童那這個部分請地方衛生局他在執行居托中心的訪視的過程中能夠針對這些比較脆弱的孩子他的增加他的訪視的頻率或他應該要有的訪視的職能目前當然我們知道這些人也都很辛苦但是我們不希望這個事件再發生所以\n511481\t535118\t這個在我們整個的這個督導的機制要怎麼樣優化我也具體建議你們去盤點去看看哪一些可以明確可以精進好嗎多久時間給本席報告委員其實我們去年就已經把這個部分做精進多久時間可以給本席我們這個我們那個分級方式的這個部分是不是我們會後提供給委員好趕快謝謝委員好謝謝楊潔恩委員謝謝次長\n","txt":"謝謝主席 本席要請次長\n市長好我想一早上討論大家都有一個共識病患的權益不容許有任何的大則所以在發生這樣子的性騷跟性侵害我們看到台大醫院的婦產科的這一位醫師發生了性侵的這個事件竟然還長達三年半\n他沒有被停職或者是沒有被公佈姓名那外界都高度的質疑醫師的懲戒跟通報機制是私領的所以因此會影響病人的安全那麼所以在一整個早上本席聽起來大家都有這個共識病人的權利 病人的安全是需要受到保障那這需要怎麼保障呢目前的這個樣態因為您說台大醫品\n那個已經評定了過程性騷之後呢應該要主動的通報台北市衛生局更說衛生局不會用通靈的方式知道台大發生什麼事那但是台大說台大院長說了性騷的主管機關是社會局所以他們當時依法去通知社會局\n那剛剛你也特別說了你們是到判決決定就最近你們才會知道才開始要啟動所以這樣整個過程讓人高度的一個質疑也就是我們在整個懲戒跟通報的機制它是失靈的\n換句話說在調查懲戒停止的時機它的法規以及在整個程序明明有不足的這個部分所以我們看到這個事件可以看到說目前的制度它是失靈的\n他的失靈導致醫界行政單位從醫院從地方成中央都好像在踢皮球那麼有一個怠惰不負責的這個樣態產生所以本席不希望三方都在踢皮球本席舉例\n老師教育部他擬定了校園性別事件通報以及調查的處理程序如果校園發生了這樣的事件那他必須要在24小時之內他要完成校安的通報他必須要在24小時\n如果行為人是教師 他更要通知教品會先暫停停聘 接受調查所以剛剛我也聽到市長你所說的這個是非常需要重視的你認為目前的問題在哪裡我們現行的醫師懲戒委員會\n啟動時機沒有明確的一個法律規範那是不是我們應該要來修法要來明定讓整個的事件能夠更有效能來 請說明好 謝謝委員我想第一個事情當然我們希望是說現有的醫師法跟懲戒辦法它不論是知悉這件事情之後這個學會 公會或者是這個機構它事實上可以提醒它的主管機關就地方的衛生局來\n進行相關的懲戒的這個調查這是第一個事情第二個部分其實在我們修過的性騷擾防治法性騷擾防治法第13條之一在這個個案性騷擾被申訴人這個部分情節重大的話其實雇主就可以暫停或者是調整這個被申訴人的職務那請問那目前沒有這麼做\n那怎麼辦呢請問你們要不要去整合把這個規範更明確在校園裡頭必須24小時就立即啟動然後通知如果行為人是老師的話就是現有的這個性平三法當然它內部在機構內部機關內部它有它的這個性平的調查機制這個部分我們會希望\n再次的宣導希望大家能夠遵守這個部分第二個部分就是我們剛剛今天在委員會上已經強調就是說醫師我們在衛福部這邊會再發函給各縣市的醫師公會以及就是說我們的機構這邊再一次的強調依照目前不論是性平三法或者是在醫師法跟醫師懲戒辦法內部希望大家主動的來提起這樣子對於這樣不應該發生在醫界的言行來夠積極的來做處理\n所以應該要更明定醫生醫師的醫院的這個通知不管是衛生局要啟動的這個懲戒程序要讓更 執事者更加的清楚是 我們希望能夠在現有的法律的制度之下能夠讓現有權責這邊能夠更清楚然後能夠\n積極的來做處理這這麼大的一個爭議大家的不安心本席具體建議應該你要去盤點所有的法律所有的辦法要怎麼樣去規範出來讓執行者讓病患他都能夠非常的安心這個是應該要有一個均衡的權益\n對不對也跟我們報告就是說因為現在大家關注的可能因為醫師的部分比較受到關注事實上醫事人員醫事人員在相關類似的事件除了現有性品三法之外他能不能繼續職業或他在他的原來職業機構內部怎麼樣去做處理這個部分我們醫事師接下來會開一個相關的會議去做開一個相關會議把醫事人員對醫事人員都打盤進去因為現在我們看到在整個社會的氛圍他是\n他是害怕的我們不應該有這樣的一個樣態出來所以具體去研擬你們的進行方案那接下來本期要討論要請教的就是狼獅查詢平台邱部長在接受訪問的時候他也說要建立那現在有沒有這個進度\n這個部分因為部長現在在WHO不過我們跟醫事室這邊我們會去優化現有的醫事人員的資訊整合的這個部分好那依照目前法律可以揭露的部分我們就先行那如果還需要再做法律調整的部分我們會後面再補上後面再補上所以你們可以說的我們就先做\n對 當然這個非常的必要才不會導致事件又再發生這個非常重要那你們現有的趕快做那不足的趕快補這個非常重要接下來本席要請教凱凱案外聘督導的功能到底是為何本席具體建議因為現在似乎模糊的空間很多模糊的空間很多所以本席要具體來了解也就是它的功能到底是什麼\n他的功能到底是什麼?其實我們在原來機構內部就有他的內部的督導那來進行機構內部的整個外部督導所以在本來的內部有督導之外的外部督導他事實上是來透過他是來協助\n機構內的督導他的在執行行政教育的部分增加我們第一線助人者就是社群協助嘛協助但是在這一些的工作上提升他的功能提升他的能力跟仿式的機制那發生這樣的一個事件大家推來推去仿式機制其實在原來機構內部就有已經發現重點內同的密切相關\n跟我們報告內部訪視的制度裡面我們在去年的4月30跟5月1號我們都重新又施行了直轄市縣市政府居家托育服務中心訪視工作指引給地方政府針對他們在托育中心的訪視輔導員應該有的頻率而且這裡面我們也強調要有做分級也就是說有一些譬如說是出養啦發展遲緩\n等特殊催加的孩童那這個部分請地方衛生局他在執行居托中心的訪視的過程中能夠針對這些比較脆弱的孩子他的增加他的訪視的頻率或他應該要有的訪視的職能目前當然我們知道這些人也都很辛苦但是我們不希望這個事件再發生所以\n這個在我們整個的這個督導的機制要怎麼樣優化我也具體建議你們去盤點去看看哪一些可以明確可以精進好嗎多久時間給本席報告委員其實我們去年就已經把這個部分做精進多久時間可以給本席我們這個我們那個分級方式的這個部分是不是我們會後提供給委員好趕快謝謝委員好謝謝楊潔恩委員謝謝次長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.552 --> 00:04.854\n謝謝主席本席要請次長\n\n00:11.630 --> 00:36.613\n市長好我想一早上討論大家都有一個共識病患的權益不容許有任何的大則所以在發生這樣子的性騷跟性侵害我們看到台大醫院的婦產科的這一位醫師發生了性侵的這個事件竟然還長達三年半\n\n00:37.193 --> 01:02.447\n他沒有被停職或者是沒有被公佈姓名那外界都高度的質疑醫師的懲戒跟通報機制是私領的所以因此會影響病人的安全那麼所以在一整個早上本席聽起來大家都有這個共識病人的權利病人的安全是需要受到保障那這需要怎麼保障呢目前的這個樣態因為您說台大醫品\n\n01:06.269 --> 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