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00:03:49,032\n那原本的身體機能評估認知這個是原本就已經有了我們會再更加強那你要更加強所以本學要請教你們具體的時間表我們總是知道我的問題社會的問題在哪裡希望大家都能夠安心那所以你多久時間可以把你的精進方案拿出來\n\n12\n00:03:49,592 --> 00:04:11,985\n報告委員我們在三個月之內會提出精進的方案那我們希望在明年度也就是115年度可以來落實這樣子的方案三個月拿出你們的精進方案第二個針對於這20.5萬83歲以上的長者早年制度排除的這部分怎麼處理呢報告委員這個部分我們還是盡量想辦法把它納進來\n\n13\n00:04:13,935 --> 00:04:39,474\n是跟委員報告這一個83歲以上的其實這個目前其實多數的這個年長者其實並沒有開車那動態的管理我們在83歲以上的話他有其他還有在使用車輛而且有違規的話那我們會就是通知他們三個月內也是要來做這一個我們的認知功能測驗所以這個結論也就是本席具體建議給我們部長\n\n14\n00:04:40,535 --> 00:05:05,726\n我們發覺到這樣子的問題的樣態人數都已經告訴你我們要怎麼樣去精進優化這非常重要我期待給你您說的三個月內的這個方案趕快要給社會大眾去安心去安心接下來本期要請教今年1月到4月我們高工局的統計國道共有17起的AI交通事故\n\n15\n00:05:06,326 --> 00:05:25,573\n造成了人員當場或者24小時死亡的交通事故那是22人死亡那其中有14起的肇事形態是追撞的事故我們比較去年同期是8起所以它的增加率是75%面對這樣子75%\n\n16\n00:05:29,554 --> 00:05:49,290\n增加的這個逐年升高的致死風險所以本學要在這邊請教部長你針對於AI這樣子的AI類的一個追蹤事故它的一個年增率是如此那這樣子的情況之下高風險的區域你要有什麼的方案來應對呢\n\n17\n00:05:50,365 --> 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