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00:02:35,120\n那第二類就是約聘僱人員那約聘僱人員目前是用新典的方式沒有錯那這個部分他也是廣義的公務人員因此公務人員的加薪他也是跟著加的對就是本份的部分可以加我現在講的是我們每一年加一千塊嘛這一千塊是定額的不會隨著公務員加委員講一千塊可能是那個民間單位的是嗎\n\n8\n00:02:36,658 --> 00:02:52,164\n我們民間的社工如果他經過考核接受政府委託或是補助的社工我們目前已經有一套進階的機制那他如果考核通過一年就可以每一年加一千所以這個部分是沒有調的\n\n9\n00:02:53,944 --> 00:03:18,599\n民間社工也是有調那第二個跟委員關心的那個約聘僱的這個社工呢第一個他這群人他也是有考核的那如果考核通過呢他也是可以調整他的薪資第二個是當公務人員調薪的時候他也是公務員所以他也可以調我現在講的是非公職人員的定額的部分就每一年加1000塊的部分\n\n10\n00:03:23,027 --> 00:03:36,119\n這個你可能不大理解我的問題那這個問題我在我原來的意思是說那個1000是不是固定沒有隨著那個調整固定10001000往上啦\n\n11\n00:03:42,545 --> 00:03:45,088\n市長請回座我再問一下市長市長就是說我們現在是到7年就停\n\n12\n00:03:58,123 --> 00:04:11,935\n你們有沒有考慮七年以後當然假如每一年都加可能在財政的負擔上太大你們有沒有考慮七年以後就是每兩年或每三年\n\n13\n00:04:15,069 --> 00:04:32,266\n再有獎勵的方式那謝謝委員因為委員您這邊提到一年加一千那的確就是民間的社工的目前的新制的一個制度那目前為止我們的確是行政院核定的是最多可以進七次\n\n14\n00:04:32,706 --> 00:04:52,559\n就是七階但是我們目前在規劃那個商案2.0的時候我們也已經有提出來我們希望為公部門的社工的薪資在爭取的過程那我們同時也要來爭取民間社工的一個薪資所以我們已經也提出來說想要在民間社工薪資七階我們希望再增加\n\n15\n00:04:53,739 --> 00:05:10,067\n目前我們正在彙整資料跟行政院來做報告每年都加可能會有問題可是七年過後就停,這個也會有一些問題所以我們會繼續爭取\n\n16\n00:05:14,065 --> 00:05:31,565\n市長我們在5月10號凱道集結了超過1萬個人他們大概提出了六大訴求我看他們裡面有一個訴求是推動訪視助理員的制度我想請教一下市長就是\n\n17\n00:05:32,887 --> 00:05:44,114\n助理現在我們沒有仿視助理員的制度對不對那仿視助理員的工作是不是就是由現在的社工在做\n\n18\n00:05:45,595 --> 00:06:04,419\n因為我大概有關心的一下齁,那這個訪視員應該是在托育這方面的訪視的工作,那是不是可以由我們社家署來做一個說明?那個,呃,各位委員報告,就是我們在那個保姆的管理裡面其實是叫做訪視輔導員。訪視什麼員?訪視輔導員。輔導員。是。就是訪視助理員。\n\n19\n00:06:12,486 --> 00:06:36,482\n他們的訴求跟你們現在的訪視輔導員不一樣不一樣那不一樣為什麼社交組跑出來回答這個應該是社工司的吧不是因為他是整個托育業務的一部分就是說他的目的是不是在預防\n\n20\n00:06:38,676 --> 00:06:49,427\n進行預防性的訪視跟高風險家庭的追蹤報告委員其實這個案子因為我們去年就已經在4月30跟5月1號我們事實上另外針對就是訪視輔導員的功能跟訪視輔導員這邊針對特殊個案\n\n21\n00:06:54,932 --> 00:07:23,124\n他可能會有增強他的能力跟訪視評次的部分所以我們去年事實上已經重新訂定了直轄市跟縣市政府居家托育服務中心訪視工作指引那這個指引事實上就是請這個居家托育這邊要做分級的訪視跟輔導那這些訪視輔導員呢他事實上採取的是不預約跟安排不同的時段去訪視那這個過程中假設他是特殊需求譬如說是發育遲緩的小兒童出養的兒童家外安置的兒童或者是\n\n22\n00:07:23,604 --> 00:07:40,189\n他收治的兒童有照顧風險跟持續受傷的情況的話那這個仿式輔導員他應該要增加至少他應該增加的仿式次數到至少六次所以這個是去年在針對這一個居家托育服務中心的仿式輔導員我們就有加強了這個部分\n\n23\n00:07:40,549 --> 00:08:04,312\n那我們能不能理解說他的訴求裡面的推動訪視助理員制度我們現在已經在做了他們這個訪視助理員制度我這樣聽起來比較像是他們可能覺得訪視輔導員不夠但是我們也在是數量不夠還是工作範圍不夠我們不清楚他提我請謝委員\n\n24\n00:08:06,774 --> 00:08:34,703\n這個凱道的這一群我們的民間友人他想要仿照瑞典有一個制度就是比較是初級預防的一個仿式助理有點像是預防性的一個服務那其實台灣沒有這個仿式助理員沒有這個制度但是我們有很多的支持性的服務方案那其實他的性質跟瑞典這個性質是很像的\n\n25\n00:08:35,043 --> 00:08:53,803\n也就是說我們現有的人力跟制度其實已經是Cover掉他們現在要推動的這個制度是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是的是\n\n26\n00:08:54,744 --> 00:09:17,197\n我也覺得好像是像你們這樣答覆的就是說可能是名稱的問題那有沒有建立一個制度其實並不是重點重點是相關的工作到底夠不夠人力做那人力到底有沒有把工作落實好這個才是重點\n\n27\n00:09:17,937 --> 00:09:36,654\n是不是在制度內部該工作的每個職種都有好好的去處理不要漏溝去讓他不要漏溝的部分在制度內部可以一個一個把可能的漏洞補起來對重點大概是這樣子謝謝市長謝謝主席謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝楊委員謝謝市長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8089\t13733\t好謝謝主席主席我請一下社工室蘇市長環林靜怡秀琨市長我們來討論幾個有關社工的問題\n26744\t52543\t就是說在社工的職涯上呢大概我們招募這麼困難大概它存在幾個問題啦大概普遍我們會認為低薪然後勞務高然後職涯發展沒有很大的期待性那這三個這三個大問題這三個困境呢公部門比較有可能\n54488\t68215\t著力的大概就是薪資的部分所以本席先跟你討論一下社工薪資的部分其實我們社工大概會隨公務員調薪加薪對不對\n69738\t89348\t那相較於過去的本薪和家籍都原本都是新臉制度可是現在我們的家籍的部分呢包括年資碩士學歷社工師指導等等我們採採取多都是採取定額的方式那會不會\n92281\t105092\t會不會影響未來譬如說軍工教調薪的時候他定額的部分其實他是沒有辦法調的你懂我的意思嗎我的問題你能理解嗎\n106472\t125852\t因為目前謝謝委員關心一直很關心社工的一些福利待遇那我們社工的分部他可能在民間單位那也可能在公部門那在公部門裡面有一些是公職社工師他就是跟正式的公務員是一樣的公職的不算他就跟著公務員調\n127193\t155120\t那第二類就是約聘僱人員那約聘僱人員目前是用新典的方式沒有錯那這個部分他也是廣義的公務人員因此公務人員的加薪他也是跟著加的對就是本份的部分可以加我現在講的是我們每一年加一千塊嘛這一千塊是定額的不會隨著公務員加委員講一千塊可能是那個民間單位的 是嗎\n156658\t172164\t我們民間的社工如果他經過考核接受政府委託或是補助的社工我們目前已經有一套進階的機制那他如果考核通過一年就可以每一年加一千所以這個部分是沒有調的\n173944\t198599\t民間社工也是有調那第二個跟委員關心的那個約聘僱的這個社工呢第一個他這群人他也是有考核的那如果考核通過呢他也是可以調整他的薪資第二個是當公務人員調薪的時候他也是公務員所以他也可以調我現在講的是非公職人員的定額的部分就每一年加1000塊的部分\n203027\t216119\t這個你可能不大理解我的問題那這個問題我在我原來的意思是說那個1000是不是固定沒有隨著那個調整固定1000 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謝謝市長\n","txt":"好謝謝主席主席我請一下社工室蘇市長環林靜怡秀琨市長我們來討論幾個有關社工的問題\n就是說在社工的職涯上呢大概我們招募這麼困難大概它存在幾個問題啦大概普遍我們會認為低薪然後勞務高然後職涯發展沒有很大的期待性那這三個這三個大問題這三個困境呢公部門比較有可能\n著力的大概就是薪資的部分所以本席先跟你討論一下社工薪資的部分其實我們社工大概會隨公務員調薪加薪對不對\n那相較於過去的本薪和家籍都原本都是新臉制度可是現在我們的家籍的部分呢包括年資碩士學歷社工師指導等等我們採採取多都是採取定額的方式那會不會\n會不會影響未來譬如說軍工教調薪的時候他定額的部分其實他是沒有辦法調的你懂我的意思嗎我的問題你能理解嗎\n因為目前謝謝委員關心一直很關心社工的一些福利待遇那我們社工的分部他可能在民間單位那也可能在公部門那在公部門裡面有一些是公職社工師他就是跟正式的公務員是一樣的公職的不算他就跟著公務員調\n那第二類就是約聘僱人員那約聘僱人員目前是用新典的方式沒有錯那這個部分他也是廣義的公務人員因此公務人員的加薪他也是跟著加的對就是本份的部分可以加我現在講的是我們每一年加一千塊嘛這一千塊是定額的不會隨著公務員加委員講一千塊可能是那個民間單位的 是嗎\n我們民間的社工如果他經過考核接受政府委託或是補助的社工我們目前已經有一套進階的機制那他如果考核通過一年就可以每一年加一千所以這個部分是沒有調的\n民間社工也是有調那第二個跟委員關心的那個約聘僱的這個社工呢第一個他這群人他也是有考核的那如果考核通過呢他也是可以調整他的薪資第二個是當公務人員調薪的時候他也是公務員所以他也可以調我現在講的是非公職人員的定額的部分就每一年加1000塊的部分\n這個你可能不大理解我的問題那這個問題我在我原來的意思是說那個1000是不是固定沒有隨著那個調整固定1000 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