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00:01:00,105\n這是一個相當重大的政治經濟投資的這樣的一個宣布副主委我想知道一下國發會在這個部分參與的程度到哪裡我們來先看一下其實\n\n4\n00:01:02,246 --> 00:01:24,876\n主權基金已經不是一個新的概念很多的國家都在做最著名的應該就是新加坡的淡馬錫所以我們把它稍微整理了一下新加坡、南韓、挪威、沙烏地、阿拉伯、中國甚至美國現在也開始在推動所謂的主權基金那台灣的外匯存底是高達5828億美元這是全球第四\n\n5\n00:01:26,127 --> 00:01:53,624\n照理講我們其實應該是非常有這樣的能力跟機會去成立這樣的一個主權基金那未來在賴總統的這個宣誓之後我比較想知道一下國發會在這一件事情上面到目前為止你們的規劃程度是到哪裡主權基金跟我們現有的國發基金跟產創會不會有互相焊隔之處要怎麼樣的區分\n\n6\n00:01:54,304 --> 00:02:11,342\n我先簡單請教您這幾個問題我想謝謝委員的詢問我想我第一個要釐清的就是說其實總統有宣誓要成立主權基金那可是那個主權基金的主責單位現在我們還是要等待行政院\n\n7\n00:02:12,203 --> 00:02:25,089\n商議後再決定誰會是主責的單位所以但這個應該會找你們國發會有做先期的討論對不對對那我要再說明一下就是說當然如果是行政院指定是我們我們當然也責無旁貸\n\n8\n00:02:27,150 --> 00:02:45,807\n那我们只能跟委员报告说的确我们在主权基金我们在陈前院长的时候因为有立委提到我们也曾经召开过相关的部会召开过两次的会议对我知道这个过去上一届的吴新颖委员曾经提过这个概念而且她也非常的积极的在推动所有的主权基金\n\n9\n00:02:46,127 --> 00:03:11,253\n那我們的確在那兩次會議裡面有針對這個資金的來源設立的目的等等進行的討論可是因為那兩次的裡面其實有很多的部分其實還沒有一致的共識啦就是你是說你們最近的討論裡頭嗎應該是說所以在整個主權基金的設置兩年前的那個你說的是兩年前那最近呢最近的討論我比較想要知道就是說\n\n10\n00:03:12,313 --> 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