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00:02:04,278\n那第二個這個AMD在高雄來講的話可以看得出來它在這個西光澤上面事實上這個有非常大的一個投資跟這個發展我想這個代表全世界最關注AI的兩大公司都有在高雄做一些深入的這些發展\n\n6\n00:02:04,881 --> 00:02:30,998\n我部長勸一下AMD的這個研發中心跟辦公室的部分這個持續在推動當中嘛這個在進度當中那回答除了AI的算力中心超級算力中心以外另外像主權AI燈卡的計畫跟甚至於研發中心這個有朝這個方向在推動嗎現在這個NVIDIA在它的這個超級電腦這個台北ONE是在雅灣對這個確定的這個是確定的\n\n7\n00:02:33,496 --> 00:02:54,899\n那它當然會繼續發展我相信這個高雄的亞灣在整個世界上面會漸漸的展露出來我們在高雄在數位的研究跟人才的匯聚有一個非常重要的一些成績出來\n\n8\n00:02:55,239 --> 00:03:21,180\n我們希望部長持續來協助坦白講這一次的總部沒有設在高雄高雄沒有入選其實我們是有一點失望的但是也希望將來的部分持續推因為亞灣2.0包括智慧科技參選區的投入在這個地方那還是需要更多的力道那當然台北跟高雄台北是佔有一些優勢那我們還是希望在部裡面在整個中央裡面還是能夠全力來協助\n\n9\n00:03:22,260 --> 00:03:47,165\n這些包含輝達AMP包含幾個重要的這些AI的巨擘能夠順利的能夠在高雄持續的來推展好那請部長再持續大力來協助我們現在看到這個輝達在選擇台北當然因為他過去在台北的這個研發大樓本來就在台北就已經有只是他是那個租賃的大樓那他現在這個自己來購買土地來興建\n\n10\n00:03:49,656 --> 00:04:04,925\n符合他未來發展的這樣的一個道路我想這個是當然基於這個現實的考量他已經有好幾千人在台北上千人在台北這些人要移動到高雄其實他有些困難但是我們發現在未來最重要的\n\n11\n00:04:05,882 --> 00:04:20,853\n他的應用其實是在高雄的這一點我想委員你可以放心所以我也希望部長再大力的來寫書特別是智慧這一塊有很多在跟一些基礎產業甚至新興的一些產業的合作上面高雄具有相當多的一些優勢\n\n12\n00:04:21,633 --> 00:04:35,495\n我們現在經濟部我們這個技術師也是重兵在高雄我們的這個基礎中心在高雄我們是大力的在推動AI的應用\n\n13\n00:04:36,977 --> 00:04:53,300\n所以他們這個技術中心在高雄是這個著墨的非常的深啊所以這是不是固定每三個月還是給我一份你們最新的一些狀況讓我知道了好不好就是你們推動的一些狀況讓我知道一下好不好就是整個對於整個產業的一些推動是的這個我們可以\n\n14\n00:04:54,261 --> 00:05:14,491\n那另外是機器人其實也是現在黃雲信也提到了未來的一個經濟的一個核心那我還是希望這一塊但是我們現在看到這個包括國科會經濟部門國發基金的機器人的500億的這個計畫看起來多數其實我們希望未來跟高雄台南之間有更多的一些連結\n\n15\n00:05:15,792 --> 00:05:36,938\n台南看起來有在但是因為高雄台南之間距離相當近我們現在想做更多的連結這個硬體的部分可能是在台南但是軟體的部分這個深層式AI的所有的訓練可能是在高雄所以我們希望這個連結上再更加的強化這個連結是非常重要的請部長跟主委那邊\n\n16\n00:05:37,958 --> 00:05:49,736\n那再來我想請教一下啦其實大家今天看到主權基金的部分我是不是也問一下先問一下高副主委好不好主權基金的部分總統提出來他的裁員的部分從哪裡來這個確定了嗎還在討論當中有可能哪些方向\n\n17\n00:05:54,342 --> 00:06:17,393\n如果根據國際的話他有可能會來自外匯存底也有可能在財政盈餘然後有些國家如果有特殊的生產資源就有原油啊等等的收入都有可能所以這幾個都有可能來跟各部位階級討論最後一個大概不太因為我們沒有產時我們有特殊的自然資源的收益啊所以可能就是財政盈餘或者是\n\n18\n00:06:18,313 --> 00:06:43,407\n因為全世界各國採用的方式都不太一樣但是不拖你剛剛講的這幾個方法那當然內部會去做討論因為總統有宣誓我想內部會做討論那不排除各種可能性所以也不是哪一位部會首長或哪一位或者是總裁說了就算了其實在恐怕還是要整體國家來整體思考那另外請教一下它的額度未來會是拉到什麼樣的規模有初步的想法嗎這個額度也是在討論也是在討論中\n\n19\n00:06:44,858 --> 00:07:09,134\n好那另外將來會制定一個條例吧會有一個法令領取我們目前根據大家有比較有的共識就是會用專法專法來做專責管理機構的方式專法跟專責那專責機構剛剛大家討論很多現在還沒有確定是哪個機構嘛對不對應該是說會有主管機關可是這個主管機到時候會成立一個主權基金的專責管理機構\n\n20\n00:07:11,168 --> 00:07:37,588\n對但是這個法會由是由哪個部會來主那當然就是由主責機關來負責所以都有可能啦不管是國發會或者是經濟部都有可能嘛對主責機關來制定專法跟組建專責機構好那它未來跟組員基金跟國發基金應該會有一些不同的區隔嘛國發基金應該比較屬於是內兩個同時間都還是會存在嘛是的所以應該一個主要是對內一個是對外的部分啦\n\n21\n00:07:38,719 --> 00:07:46,689\n就是也很難說是對內或對外就是他會有他的定位啦這樣子所以不會是將來兩個基金做整併不會不會因為我覺得總統在他的他520的那個他已經說明這兩個應該是並行的\n\n22\n00:07:55,799 --> 00:08:09,641\n好我們也期待未來組員基金能夠扮演讓台灣的整個國家的影響力跟我們的佈局甚至產業的升級甚至於整個跟世界各國友邦的好的互動能夠達到更好的一個效果好謝謝部長謝謝副主委\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6618\t33786\t好 謝昭偉 請郭部長跟高副主委好 請部長跟副主委好 先請教一下部長這個這陣子包括AI的投資包括黃雲勛 包括輝達跟AMD在台灣投資大家都相當關心那輝達也宣布他的總部設在台北這邊那因為高雄也有亞灣2.0 亞灣\n36747\t60400\t智慧科技創新園區的170億的一個投資我想問一下部長在輝達跟AMD在高雄的投資這個部分有沒有想要更具體的一些進度報告委員我想輝達在高雄的投資我們可以看到他在最重要的智慧城市\n63696\t78292\t這個數位暖身用在這個智慧城市已經是非常成功的所以之前他的演講上面也特別介紹這一段那我們相信這樣的一個合作\n79434\t101060\t那麼在未來這個智慧城市會copy到全世界一些發展數位化的這個國家這是一個非常好的一個例子那我們當然也非常的我想高雄非常的這個榮幸能夠跟這個世界最強大的這個數位公司能夠做這樣的一個合作\n102000\t124278\t那第二個這個AMD在高雄來講的話可以看得出來它在這個西光澤上面事實上這個有非常大的一個投資跟這個發展我想這個代表全世界最關注AI的兩大公司都有在高雄做一些深入的這些發展\n124881\t150998\t我部長勸一下AMD的這個研發中心跟辦公室的部分這個持續在推動當中嘛這個在進度當中那回答除了AI的算力中心超級算力中心以外另外像主權AI燈卡的計畫跟甚至於研發中心這個有朝這個方向在推動嗎現在這個NVIDIA在它的這個超級電腦這個台北ONE是在雅灣對 這個確定的這個是確定的\n153496\t174899\t那它當然會繼續發展我相信這個高雄的亞灣在整個世界上面會漸漸的展露出來我們在高雄在數位的研究跟人才的匯聚有一個非常重要的一些成績出來\n175239\t201180\t我們希望部長持續來協助坦白講這一次的總部沒有設在高雄高雄沒有入選其實我們是有一點失望的但是也希望將來的部分持續推因為亞灣2.0包括智慧科技參選區的投入在這個地方那還是需要更多的力道那當然台北跟高雄台北是佔有一些優勢那我們還是希望在部裡面在整個中央裡面還是能夠全力來協助\n202260\t227165\t這些包含輝達 AMP包含幾個重要的這些AI的巨擘能夠順利的能夠在高雄持續的來推展好 那請部長再持續大力來協助我們現在看到這個輝達在選擇台北當然因為他過去在台北的這個研發大樓本來就在台北就已經有只是他是那個租賃的大樓那他現在這個自己來購買土地來興建\n229656\t244925\t符合他未來發展的這樣的一個道路我想這個是當然基於這個現實的考量他已經有好幾千人在台北上千人在台北這些人要移動到高雄其實他有些困難但是我們發現在未來最重要的\n245882\t260853\t他的應用其實是在高雄的這一點我想委員你可以放心所以我也希望部長再大力的來寫書特別是智慧這一塊有很多在跟一些基礎產業甚至新興的一些產業的合作上面高雄具有相當多的一些優勢\n261633\t275495\t我們現在經濟部我們這個技術師也是重兵在高雄我們的這個基礎中心在高雄我們是大力的在推動AI的應用\n276977\t293300\t所以他們這個技術中心在高雄是這個著墨的非常的深啊所以這是不是固定每三個月還是給我一份你們最新的一些狀況讓我知道了好不好就是你們推動的一些狀況讓我知道一下好不好就是整個對於整個產業的一些推動是的這個我們可以\n294261\t314491\t那另外是機器人其實也是現在黃雲信也提到了未來的一個經濟的一個核心那我還是希望這一塊但是我們現在看到這個包括國科會經濟部門國發基金的機器人的500億的這個計畫看起來多數其實我們希望未來跟高雄台南之間有更多的一些連結\n315792\t336938\t台南看起來有在但是因為高雄台南之間距離相當近我們現在想做更多的連結這個硬體的部分可能是在台南但是軟體的部分這個深層式AI的所有的訓練可能是在高雄所以我們希望這個連結上再更加的強化這個連結是非常重要的請部長跟主委那邊\n337958\t349736\t那再來我想請教一下啦其實大家今天看到主權基金的部分我是不是也問一下先問一下高副主委好不好主權基金的部分總統提出來他的裁員的部分從哪裡來這個確定了嗎還在討論當中有可能哪些方向\n354342\t377393\t如果根據國際的話他有可能會來自外匯存底也有可能在財政盈餘然後有些國家如果有特殊的生產資源就有原油啊等等的收入都有可能所以這幾個都有可能來跟各部位階級討論最後一個大概不太因為我們沒有產時我們有特殊的自然資源的收益啊所以可能就是財政盈餘或者是\n378313\t403407\t因為全世界各國採用的方式都不太一樣但是不拖你剛剛講的這幾個方法那當然內部會去做討論因為總統有宣誓我想內部會做討論那不排除各種可能性所以也不是哪一位部會首長或哪一位或者是總裁說了就算了其實在恐怕還是要整體國家來整體思考那另外請教一下它的額度未來會是拉到什麼樣的規模有初步的想法嗎這個額度也是在討論也是在討論中\n404858\t429134\t好 那另外將來會制定一個條例吧 會有一個法令領取我們目前根據大家有比較有的共識就是會用專法專法來做專責管理機構的方式專法跟專責 那專責機構剛剛大家討論很多現在還沒有確定是哪個機構嘛對不對應該是說會有主管機關可是這個主管機到時候會成立一個主權基金的專責管理機構\n431168\t457588\t對 但是這個法會由是由哪個部會來主那當然就是由主責機關來負責所以都有可能啦不管是國發會或者是經濟部都有可能嘛對 主責機關來制定專法跟組建專責機構好 那它未來跟組員基金跟國發基金應該會有一些不同的區隔嘛國發基金應該比較屬於是內兩個同時間都還是會存在嘛是的所以應該一個主要是對內一個是對外的部分啦\n458719\t466689\t就是也很難說是對內或對外就是他會有他的定位啦這樣子所以不會是將來兩個基金做整併不會不會因為我覺得總統在他的他520的那個他已經說明這兩個應該是並行的\n475799\t489641\t好 我們也期待未來組員基金能夠扮演讓台灣的整個國家的影響力跟我們的佈局甚至產業的升級甚至於整個跟世界各國友邦的好的互動能夠達到更好的一個效果好 謝謝部長 謝謝副主委\n","txt":"好 謝昭偉 請郭部長跟高副主委好 請部長跟副主委好 先請教一下部長這個這陣子包括AI的投資包括黃雲勛 包括輝達跟AMD在台灣投資大家都相當關心那輝達也宣布他的總部設在台北這邊那因為高雄也有亞灣2.0 亞灣\n智慧科技創新園區的170億的一個投資我想問一下部長在輝達跟AMD在高雄的投資這個部分有沒有想要更具體的一些進度報告委員我想輝達在高雄的投資我們可以看到他在最重要的智慧城市\n這個數位暖身用在這個智慧城市已經是非常成功的所以之前他的演講上面也特別介紹這一段那我們相信這樣的一個合作\n那麼在未來這個智慧城市會copy到全世界一些發展數位化的這個國家這是一個非常好的一個例子那我們當然也非常的我想高雄非常的這個榮幸能夠跟這個世界最強大的這個數位公司能夠做這樣的一個合作\n那第二個這個AMD在高雄來講的話可以看得出來它在這個西光澤上面事實上這個有非常大的一個投資跟這個發展我想這個代表全世界最關注AI的兩大公司都有在高雄做一些深入的這些發展\n我部長勸一下AMD的這個研發中心跟辦公室的部分這個持續在推動當中嘛這個在進度當中那回答除了AI的算力中心超級算力中心以外另外像主權AI燈卡的計畫跟甚至於研發中心這個有朝這個方向在推動嗎現在這個NVIDIA在它的這個超級電腦這個台北ONE是在雅灣對 這個確定的這個是確定的\n那它當然會繼續發展我相信這個高雄的亞灣在整個世界上面會漸漸的展露出來我們在高雄在數位的研究跟人才的匯聚有一個非常重要的一些成績出來\n我們希望部長持續來協助坦白講這一次的總部沒有設在高雄高雄沒有入選其實我們是有一點失望的但是也希望將來的部分持續推因為亞灣2.0包括智慧科技參選區的投入在這個地方那還是需要更多的力道那當然台北跟高雄台北是佔有一些優勢那我們還是希望在部裡面在整個中央裡面還是能夠全力來協助\n這些包含輝達 AMP包含幾個重要的這些AI的巨擘能夠順利的能夠在高雄持續的來推展好 那請部長再持續大力來協助我們現在看到這個輝達在選擇台北當然因為他過去在台北的這個研發大樓本來就在台北就已經有只是他是那個租賃的大樓那他現在這個自己來購買土地來興建\n符合他未來發展的這樣的一個道路我想這個是當然基於這個現實的考量他已經有好幾千人在台北上千人在台北這些人要移動到高雄其實他有些困難但是我們發現在未來最重要的\n他的應用其實是在高雄的這一點我想委員你可以放心所以我也希望部長再大力的來寫書特別是智慧這一塊有很多在跟一些基礎產業甚至新興的一些產業的合作上面高雄具有相當多的一些優勢\n我們現在經濟部我們這個技術師也是重兵在高雄我們的這個基礎中心在高雄我們是大力的在推動AI的應用\n所以他們這個技術中心在高雄是這個著墨的非常的深啊所以這是不是固定每三個月還是給我一份你們最新的一些狀況讓我知道了好不好就是你們推動的一些狀況讓我知道一下好不好就是整個對於整個產業的一些推動是的這個我們可以\n那另外是機器人其實也是現在黃雲信也提到了未來的一個經濟的一個核心那我還是希望這一塊但是我們現在看到這個包括國科會經濟部門國發基金的機器人的500億的這個計畫看起來多數其實我們希望未來跟高雄台南之間有更多的一些連結\n台南看起來有在但是因為高雄台南之間距離相當近我們現在想做更多的連結這個硬體的部分可能是在台南但是軟體的部分這個深層式AI的所有的訓練可能是在高雄所以我們希望這個連結上再更加的強化這個連結是非常重要的請部長跟主委那邊\n那再來我想請教一下啦其實大家今天看到主權基金的部分我是不是也問一下先問一下高副主委好不好主權基金的部分總統提出來他的裁員的部分從哪裡來這個確定了嗎還在討論當中有可能哪些方向\n如果根據國際的話他有可能會來自外匯存底也有可能在財政盈餘然後有些國家如果有特殊的生產資源就有原油啊等等的收入都有可能所以這幾個都有可能來跟各部位階級討論最後一個大概不太因為我們沒有產時我們有特殊的自然資源的收益啊所以可能就是財政盈餘或者是\n因為全世界各國採用的方式都不太一樣但是不拖你剛剛講的這幾個方法那當然內部會去做討論因為總統有宣誓我想內部會做討論那不排除各種可能性所以也不是哪一位部會首長或哪一位或者是總裁說了就算了其實在恐怕還是要整體國家來整體思考那另外請教一下它的額度未來會是拉到什麼樣的規模有初步的想法嗎這個額度也是在討論也是在討論中\n好 那另外將來會制定一個條例吧 會有一個法令領取我們目前根據大家有比較有的共識就是會用專法專法來做專責管理機構的方式專法跟專責 那專責機構剛剛大家討論很多現在還沒有確定是哪個機構嘛對不對應該是說會有主管機關可是這個主管機到時候會成立一個主權基金的專責管理機構\n對 但是這個法會由是由哪個部會來主那當然就是由主責機關來負責所以都有可能啦不管是國發會或者是經濟部都有可能嘛對 主責機關來制定專法跟組建專責機構好 那它未來跟組員基金跟國發基金應該會有一些不同的區隔嘛國發基金應該比較屬於是內兩個同時間都還是會存在嘛是的所以應該一個主要是對內一個是對外的部分啦\n就是也很難說是對內或對外就是他會有他的定位啦這樣子所以不會是將來兩個基金做整併不會不會因為我覺得總統在他的他520的那個他已經說明這兩個應該是並行的\n好 我們也期待未來組員基金能夠扮演讓台灣的整個國家的影響力跟我們的佈局甚至產業的升級甚至於整個跟世界各國友邦的好的互動能夠達到更好的一個效果好 謝謝部長 謝謝副主委\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.618 --> 00:33.786\n好謝昭偉請郭部長跟高副主委好請部長跟副主委好先請教一下部長這個這陣子包括AI的投資包括黃雲勛包括輝達跟AMD在台灣投資大家都相當關心那輝達也宣布他的總部設在台北這邊那因為高雄也有亞灣2.0亞灣\n\n00:36.747 --> 01:00.400\n智慧科技創新園區的170億的一個投資我想問一下部長在輝達跟AMD在高雄的投資這個部分有沒有想要更具體的一些進度報告委員我想輝達在高雄的投資我們可以看到他在最重要的智慧城市\n\n01:03.696 --> 01:18.292\n這個數位暖身用在這個智慧城市已經是非常成功的所以之前他的演講上面也特別介紹這一段那我們相信這樣的一個合作\n\n01:19.434 --> 01:41.060\n那麼在未來這個智慧城市會copy到全世界一些發展數位化的這個國家這是一個非常好的一個例子那我們當然也非常的我想高雄非常的這個榮幸能夠跟這個世界最強大的這個數位公司能夠做這樣的一個合作\n\n01:42.000 --> 02:04.278\n那第二個這個AMD在高雄來講的話可以看得出來它在這個西光澤上面事實上這個有非常大的一個投資跟這個發展我想這個代表全世界最關注AI的兩大公司都有在高雄做一些深入的這些發展\n\n02:04.881 --> 02:30.998\n我部長勸一下AMD的這個研發中心跟辦公室的部分這個持續在推動當中嘛這個在進度當中那回答除了AI的算力中心超級算力中心以外另外像主權AI燈卡的計畫跟甚至於研發中心這個有朝這個方向在推動嗎現在這個NVIDIA在它的這個超級電腦這個台北ONE是在雅灣對這個確定的這個是確定的\n\n02:33.496 --> 02:54.899\n那它當然會繼續發展我相信這個高雄的亞灣在整個世界上面會漸漸的展露出來我們在高雄在數位的研究跟人才的匯聚有一個非常重要的一些成績出來\n\n02:55.239 --> 03:21.180\n我們希望部長持續來協助坦白講這一次的總部沒有設在高雄高雄沒有入選其實我們是有一點失望的但是也希望將來的部分持續推因為亞灣2.0包括智慧科技參選區的投入在這個地方那還是需要更多的力道那當然台北跟高雄台北是佔有一些優勢那我們還是希望在部裡面在整個中央裡面還是能夠全力來協助\n\n03:22.260 --> 03:47.165\n這些包含輝達AMP包含幾個重要的這些AI的巨擘能夠順利的能夠在高雄持續的來推展好那請部長再持續大力來協助我們現在看到這個輝達在選擇台北當然因為他過去在台北的這個研發大樓本來就在台北就已經有只是他是那個租賃的大樓那他現在這個自己來購買土地來興建\n\n03:49.656 --> 04:04.925\n符合他未來發展的這樣的一個道路我想這個是當然基於這個現實的考量他已經有好幾千人在台北上千人在台北這些人要移動到高雄其實他有些困難但是我們發現在未來最重要的\n\n04:05.882 --> 04:20.853\n他的應用其實是在高雄的這一點我想委員你可以放心所以我也希望部長再大力的來寫書特別是智慧這一塊有很多在跟一些基礎產業甚至新興的一些產業的合作上面高雄具有相當多的一些優勢\n\n04:21.633 --> 04:35.495\n我們現在經濟部我們這個技術師也是重兵在高雄我們的這個基礎中心在高雄我們是大力的在推動AI的應用\n\n04:36.977 --> 04:53.300\n所以他們這個技術中心在高雄是這個著墨的非常的深啊所以這是不是固定每三個月還是給我一份你們最新的一些狀況讓我知道了好不好就是你們推動的一些狀況讓我知道一下好不好就是整個對於整個產業的一些推動是的這個我們可以\n\n04:54.261 --> 05:14.491\n那另外是機器人其實也是現在黃雲信也提到了未來的一個經濟的一個核心那我還是希望這一塊但是我們現在看到這個包括國科會經濟部門國發基金的機器人的500億的這個計畫看起來多數其實我們希望未來跟高雄台南之間有更多的一些連結\n\n05:15.792 --> 05:36.938\n台南看起來有在但是因為高雄台南之間距離相當近我們現在想做更多的連結這個硬體的部分可能是在台南但是軟體的部分這個深層式AI的所有的訓練可能是在高雄所以我們希望這個連結上再更加的強化這個連結是非常重要的請部長跟主委那邊\n\n05:37.958 --> 05:49.736\n那再來我想請教一下啦其實大家今天看到主權基金的部分我是不是也問一下先問一下高副主委好不好主權基金的部分總統提出來他的裁員的部分從哪裡來這個確定了嗎還在討論當中有可能哪些方向\n\n05:54.342 --> 06:17.393\n如果根據國際的話他有可能會來自外匯存底也有可能在財政盈餘然後有些國家如果有特殊的生產資源就有原油啊等等的收入都有可能所以這幾個都有可能來跟各部位階級討論最後一個大概不太因為我們沒有產時我們有特殊的自然資源的收益啊所以可能就是財政盈餘或者是\n\n06:18.313 --> 06:43.407\n因為全世界各國採用的方式都不太一樣但是不拖你剛剛講的這幾個方法那當然內部會去做討論因為總統有宣誓我想內部會做討論那不排除各種可能性所以也不是哪一位部會首長或哪一位或者是總裁說了就算了其實在恐怕還是要整體國家來整體思考那另外請教一下它的額度未來會是拉到什麼樣的規模有初步的想法嗎這個額度也是在討論也是在討論中\n\n06:44.858 --> 07:09.134\n好那另外將來會制定一個條例吧會有一個法令領取我們目前根據大家有比較有的共識就是會用專法專法來做專責管理機構的方式專法跟專責那專責機構剛剛大家討論很多現在還沒有確定是哪個機構嘛對不對應該是說會有主管機關可是這個主管機到時候會成立一個主權基金的專責管理機構\n\n07:11.168 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