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00:01:34,861\n這個從3萬塊要提到6萬塊所以增加了這個23億9964萬的經費然後呈報在行政院辦理追加預算那請問一下兩個問題第一個是說這個現在整個進行的進度如何那第二個就是要請教主委的是因為我們也不想要這樣子過去發生的情況再一次的發生那因為現在是五月的下旬原委會是不是應該已經\n\n5\n00:01:36,591 --> 00:01:49,559\n差不多編好了明年也是115年度的預算有沒有把這個進法補償的預算給編足那因為你們自己有設算在從今年開始起所有每年需要的金分是52.15億有沒有這樣有沒有編足這樣的預算請回答\n\n6\n00:01:53,252 --> 00:02:08,263\n好謝謝委員那有關這個進化補償這個這個補償的經費我們已經在今年的3月10號我們就已經申請我們跟那個那個我們的那個行政院來\n\n7\n00:02:09,384 --> 00:02:24,836\n申請希望能夠來追加然後我們每一年都是在9月發放我們希望今年一樣如期是在9月會全數發放嗎對9月好就是發到每公頃6萬塊對每公頃6萬好謝謝好那115年度會不會也編組還是會編組到6萬塊嗎\n\n8\n00:02:30,236 --> 00:02:44,389\n我們有編組有編組有編組110就是下個年度的確定嗎希望是一樣的就是就是52.15億預估的對好好謝謝那第二個當然謝謝主委的回應我相信這樣子的話\n\n9\n00:02:45,450 --> 00:03:08,564\n是會給所有的有這樣子需要的原住民一個很完整的補償那第二個我們今天討論的是有關於預算解凍的案子可是在預算解凍的時候我們當然也希望原委會可以有一個完整清楚的解釋那我們看到說第一個很多委員之前有提過的就是說有關於一般行政費下面的有關於水電費的部分\n\n10\n00:03:09,284 --> 00:03:34,274\n他原本只有編列在113年只有編列85萬然後在114年的時候編列了350多萬所以增幅高達好幾倍那我們看到了這個原委會提供的說明是說其實過去有在109年到113年的時候其實每年的平均的水電費就是300多萬那我們想請問說為什麼過去每年的水電費都是300多萬\n\n11\n00:03:35,334 --> 00:03:50,273\n可是在從110過去109年到113年的時候每年編列的預算只有八十幾萬因為我們都知道水電費是時資時付的那這些不夠的錢到底是從過去到底是從哪邊所指引的這可以來做一些回答\n\n12\n00:03:53,395 --> 00:04:20,994\n主要就是因為我們往年的話都是預算水電費都編不足那考量到近三年的這個電費調漲已經超過30%了所以在114年的時候行政院就有增編預算給我們那是不是可以請您回應一下說為什麼過去水電費都編不足那你是從哪一個經費去我們是從一般的行政的業務費去先留用到\n\n13\n00:04:21,694 --> 00:04:46,264\n那一般行政會不會壓縮到一般行政的業務不會兩百多萬不會影響到一般的業務那原本那些一般的業務原本都在做什麼使用哪一些業務的費用拿來去轉播到水電費可以回答嗎比如說像那個員工的一些福利的費用那員工的福利如何做保障\n\n14\n00:04:48,342 --> 00:04:59,030\n他就是從一般的比如說比如說什麼清潔維護啊或是保全警衛啊這些等等的業務費去做調餘所以這邊我要跟好有請主委\n\n15\n00:05:00,273 --> 00:05:23,054\n所以你有看到聽到剛剛你們同仁的回應嗎所以我們希望的是說原民會你們的這個所有的預算應該要編列要符合就是說真正的時之時付所以大家最針對原委會的預算才不會說這麼多的質疑就是說我們希望說不要拿這個大家同仁的福利來去做隨便的流用其實這樣會造成大家的這個\n\n16\n00:05:24,415 --> 00:05:32,222\n福利會有一些的影響希望說未來相關的預算編列可以依照十知十負的整體的概念來好好編預算可以嗎是\n\n17\n00:05:32,844 --> 00:06:01,723\n好OK好那第二個我們來請教一下就是說其實我們今天預算解凍案我相信在野立委我們都展現一個誠意想要讓預算所有都解凍讓大家有完整的預算來使用可是我們看到又看到另外一個其實在你們的這個預算的解編的這個專案報告書裡面寫的非常的不明確裡面有一個在第21頁裡面有一個就是說關於辦理原住民逐日及節慶活動所需經費是500萬元\n\n18\n00:06:03,344 --> 00:06:32,376\n其實到113年的178萬元其實增加了321萬元所以這增加的幅率也是好幾倍可是在你們的報告書裡面其實沒有明確寫說為何要增加這樣子的一個經費的內容只是一個很普遍性講的是說又是因為要委託民間專業團隊來去協助辦理所以是不是請主委這邊我們想要協助擁有會可是你們可不可以明確的指示說為什麼預算要增加兩到三倍\n\n19\n00:06:33,717 --> 00:07:00,738\n好那這個是處長來說明好請處長說明根據內容報告這個部分我們當時在提供給大院的這個一四年度預算科目細部計畫說明表裡面已經有說明就是說這個這筆經費主要是要包含辦理原住民族政策高峰會一場次國家希望工程成果發表一場次然後製作與推播原住民族致敬影片一支頒發原住民族獎章還有辦理重大原住民族政策專題演講三場次\n\n20\n00:07:02,419 --> 00:07:22,074\n這個在當初提供給大院的這個細部計畫說明表已經有已經有名列這些工作項目我請問一下你有寫在今天的這個報告裡面嗎沒有那是不是會後可以把這個資料再給我所以你的意思是說你有增加這個舉辦這個表演的場次大概舉多幾場\n\n21\n00:07:23,691 --> 00:07:37,336\n我們當然有多了這個總共多了四場多了四場是好那會後再把資料提供提供給我們好不好謝謝好那現在請主委\n\n22\n00:07:40,074 --> 00:08:05,493\n好謝謝主委那我們也要請教就是說關於你們第113頁裡面特別有強調的是本席很在意的就是原住民的朋友他的第一個原住民的社會住宅不足以及之前在質詢的時候好像提到說我們原住民的朋友要排社宅的時候常常都排隊都排很久拿到號碼牌都拿到很後面所以當時本席在質詢的時候有特別拜託說你們是不是可以來\n\n23\n00:08:06,374 --> 00:08:21,847\n查詢喔就是說我們這些原住民的朋友到底有多少人還在排社宅有多少人其實現在過去是排社宅一直沒有住不到的人數你們有沒有統計那我在第一百億失業裡面也有看到說你們終於有來做委託這個\n\n24\n00:08:23,348 --> 00:08:49,246\n有委託要來處理這件事情我來念一下這個內容他說那個園民會於114年委託辦理原住民族的住宅輔導有委託專業服務勞務採購案來調查以及推估原住民民族家族居住協助需求的類型以及戶數那我現在想要請教主委因為已經有在辦理了現在辦理的情形的狀況如何是不是可以可不可以讓大家知道一下\n\n25\n00:08:50,865 --> 00:09:15,159\n好來蘇總委報告委員我們現在目前每四年原住民經濟狀況調查是每四年調查一次那我們今年開始我們居住調查研究我們分兩部分來做進行第一部分我們已經先盤點有設宅需求的行政區只要超過1500人以上表示有設宅需求目前是25區那25區以後我們認為說接下來我們會跟內政部協調\n\n26\n00:09:19,221 --> 00:09:36,709\n去比對他目前正在興辦社宅的有幾處然後再去評估說然後再去比對完之後才知道說我們後面可以協商哪些地區是優先協調能夠協助原住民入住社宅的目前做法是這樣子所以第一個你會建立原住民社宅嗎\n\n27\n00:09:38,049 --> 00:09:57,697\n也會有計畫建築設宅我們目前根據原住民人口比較多的行政區超過1500人以上行政區總共25個行政區那25個行政區呢那我們在比對在內政部在當地有沒有新辦設宅的新辦計畫那這一部分有確定完比對完之後呢\n\n28\n00:09:59,817 --> 00:10:23,003\n這部分就是我們要優先協調地方政府努力提高原住民入住社宅的保障只是比對各縣市原住民人數較多而且他們有社宅需求的縣市比對出來這些縣市以後再跟縣市政府來討論說是不是可以讓這些人有什麼樣的機制可以入住社宅是嗎那這樣的報告大概什麼時候會出來\n\n29\n00:10:27,258 --> 00:10:45,124\n這個報告應該再給我們一個月的時間一個月可以出來那希望說這個報告出來以後可以提供給我們所有內政委員會的委員來去做參考那最後一個問題時間的關係那剛剛特別有提到說這個語言是文化傳承跟發展的根本尤其原住民的語言的復興跟推廣\n\n30\n00:10:46,224 --> 00:11:00,683\n不僅影響到原住民族的教育體系的建構也影響文化的保存跟發揚那剛剛特別在裡面有提到說這個族裔幼兒園現在只有79班所以受益人數現在是有限的\n\n31\n00:11:01,224 --> 00:11:25,170\n那我想要請教一下說現在國小教育部將國小階段的這個足與失之的認證門檻從高級調到中高級那我們就園委會的立場如何確保失之的培育以及這個進修的機制可以同步補強以免避免這些教育的落差各位報告齁那個這個足與教失我們希望是\n\n32\n00:11:26,363 --> 00:11:54,242\n他能夠他的這個足以認證必須是要中高級中高級我們現在在能力這個在測驗上我們要把它分成有聽說還有讀寫還有這四個都要會的你只要會先這個聽說你就可以來通過這個中高級的足以認證你就可以取得這個足以老師的這個資格我們希望更多的足以老師來\n\n33\n00:11:55,783 --> 00:12:10,442\n加入這個我們這個足語的這個讓我們的小朋友更多人來寫我們的足語所以主委的意思是說過去從高級就是要通過高級的門檻把他變成中高級所以為了老師人數會變更多\n\n34\n00:12:13,786 --> 00:12:34,637\n然後未來可以收到這些那個主義與教育的人數你們也考慮要增加對你們有這樣的計畫是嗎是OK好那還有一個問題剛才看到也是很重要的問題就是有關於這個我們有關於援助民族青年就業跟基進的問題我們有一個百萬的創業計畫就是說如果你符合特定條件的話\n\n35\n00:12:35,397 --> 00:12:37,598\n你就可以得到100萬的創業基金我們過去10年我們輔導了200家的企業這邊我們提到一個很優質的數據說企業的存活率是86.5%\n\n36\n00:12:50,305 --> 00:13:12,945\n那所以我們對這個很好奇喔因為我們覺得這個做得很好是不是可以請主委在會後的時候提供說這些的企業是分別是在哪些的縣市那它是在哪些的產業然後我們來確認說是不是各族群在這個各個縣市裡面我們的原住民都可以認真都可以得到一些創業的補助而且他們都開支善業可以嗎好謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6490\t13527\t好謝謝主席各位官員各位委員大家早有請我們原委會曾志勇主委曾主委有請\n22439\t37337\t主委好主委有關於今天是有關原委會的預算解凍案首先要跟主委報告在去年6月24公布進法補償條例第6條的修正草案也是我們很多\n38118\t64229\t大家所關心的從114年的進法補償的金額要從每公頃3萬塊提高到6萬塊所以在過去我知道在去年的年底的時候很多不管是原住民委員在野黨要求說過去只提從3萬塊提到4萬塊的以後要把它提高到6萬塊在野黨立委大家全力的努力之下行政院終於妥協也在今年3月10號決定將這些進法補償的金額從\n70961\t94861\t這個從3萬塊要提到6萬塊所以增加了這個23億9964萬的經費然後呈報在行政院辦理追加預算那請問一下兩個問題第一個是說這個現在整個進行的進度如何那第二個就是要請教主委的是因為我們也不想要這樣子過去發生的情況再一次的發生那因為現在是五月的下旬原委會是不是應該已經\n96591\t109559\t差不多編好了 明年也是115年度的預算有沒有把這個進法補償的預算給編足那因為你們自己有設算在從今年開始起 所有每年需要的金分是52.15億有沒有這樣 有沒有編足這樣的預算 請回答\n113252\t128263\t好 謝謝委員 那有關這個進化補償這個這個補償的經費我們已經在今年的3月10號我們就已經申請 我們跟那個那個我們的那個行政院來\n129384\t144836\t申請希望能夠來追加然後我們每一年都是在9月發放我們希望今年一樣如期是在9月會全數發放嗎對 9月好 就是發到每公頃6萬塊對 每公頃6萬好 謝謝好 那115年度會不會也編組還是會編組到6萬塊嗎\n150236\t164389\t我們有編組有編組有編組110就是下個年度的確定嗎希望是一樣的就是就是52.15億預估的對好好謝謝那第二個當然謝謝主委的回應我相信這樣子的話\n165450\t188564\t是會給所有的有這樣子需要的原住民一個很完整的補償那第二個我們今天討論的是有關於預算解凍的案子可是在預算解凍的時候我們當然也希望原委會可以有一個完整清楚的解釋那我們看到說第一個很多委員之前有提過的就是說有關於一般行政費下面的有關於水電費的部分\n189284\t214274\t他原本只有編列在113年只有編列85萬然後在114年的時候編列了350多萬所以增幅高達好幾倍那我們看到了這個原委會提供的說明是說其實過去有在109年到113年的時候其實每年的平均的水電費就是300多萬那我們想請問說為什麼過去每年的水電費都是300多萬\n215334\t230273\t可是在從110過去109年到113年的時候每年編列的預算只有八十幾萬因為我們都知道水電費是時資時付的那這些不夠的錢到底是從過去到底是從哪邊所指引的這可以來做一些回答\n233395\t260994\t主要就是因為我們往年的話都是預算水電費都編不足那考量到近三年的這個電費調漲已經超過30%了所以在114年的時候行政院就有增編預算給我們那是不是可以請您回應一下說為什麼過去水電費都編不足那你是從哪一個經費去我們是從一般的行政的業務費去先留用到\n261694\t286264\t那一般行政會不會壓縮到一般行政的業務不會兩百多萬不會影響到一般的業務那原本那些一般的業務原本都在做什麼使用哪一些業務的費用拿來去轉播到水電費可以回答嗎比如說像那個員工的一些福利的費用那員工的福利如何做保障\n288342\t299030\t他就是從一般的比如說比如說什麼清潔維護啊或是保全警衛啊這些等等的業務費去做調餘所以這邊我要跟好有請主委\n300273\t323054\t所以你有看到聽到剛剛你們同仁的回應嗎所以我們希望的是說原民會你們的這個所有的預算應該要編列要符合就是說真正的時之時付所以大家最針對原委會的預算才不會說這麼多的質疑就是說我們希望說不要拿這個大家同仁的福利來去做隨便的流用其實這樣會造成大家的這個\n324415\t332222\t福利會有一些的影響希望說未來相關的預算編列可以依照十知十負的整體的概念來好好編預算可以嗎是\n332844\t361723\t好OK好那第二個我們來請教一下就是說其實我們今天預算解凍案我相信在野立委我們都展現一個誠意想要讓預算所有都解凍讓大家有完整的預算來使用可是我們看到又看到另外一個其實在你們的這個預算的解編的這個專案報告書裡面寫的非常的不明確裡面有一個在第21頁裡面有一個就是說關於辦理原住民逐日及節慶活動所需經費是500萬元\n363344\t392376\t其實到113年的178萬元其實增加了321萬元所以這增加的幅率也是好幾倍可是在你們的報告書裡面其實沒有明確寫說為何要增加這樣子的一個經費的內容只是一個很普遍性講的是說又是因為要委託民間專業團隊來去協助辦理所以是不是請主委這邊我們想要協助擁有會可是你們可不可以明確的指示說為什麼預算要增加兩到三倍\n393717\t420738\t好 那這個是處長來說明好 請處長說明根據內容報告這個部分我們當時在提供給大院的這個一四年度預算科目細部計畫說明表裡面已經有說明就是說這個這筆經費主要是要包含辦理原住民族政策高峰會一場次國家希望工程成果發表一場次然後製作與推播原住民族致敬影片一支頒發原住民族獎章還有辦理重大原住民族政策專題演講三場次\n422419\t442074\t這個在當初提供給大院的這個細部計畫說明表已經有已經有名列這些工作項目我請問一下你有寫在今天的這個報告裡面嗎沒有那是不是會後可以把這個資料再給我所以你的意思是說你有增加這個舉辦這個表演的場次大概舉多幾場\n443691\t457336\t我們當然有多了這個總共多了四場多了四場是好那會後再把資料提供提供給我們好不好謝謝好那現在請主委\n460074\t485493\t好 謝謝主委那我們也要請教就是說關於你們第113頁裡面特別有強調的是本席很在意的就是原住民的朋友他的第一個原住民的社會住宅不足以及之前在質詢的時候好像提到說我們原住民的朋友要排社宅的時候常常都排隊都排很久拿到號碼牌都拿到很後面所以當時本席在質詢的時候有特別拜託說你們是不是可以來\n486374\t501847\t查詢喔就是說我們這些原住民的朋友到底有多少人還在排社宅有多少人其實現在過去是排社宅一直沒有住不到的人數你們有沒有統計那我在第一百億失業裡面也有看到說你們終於有來做委託這個\n503348\t529246\t有委託要來處理這件事情 我來念一下這個內容他說那個園民會於114年委託辦理原住民族的住宅輔導有委託專業服務勞務採購案來調查以及推估原住民民族家族居住協助需求的類型以及戶數那我現在想要請教主委因為已經有在辦理了 現在辦理的情形的狀況如何是不是可以 可不可以讓大家知道一下\n530865\t555159\t好 來 蘇總委報告委員 我們現在目前每四年原住民經濟狀況調查是每四年調查一次那我們今年開始我們居住調查研究我們分兩部分來做進行第一部分我們已經先盤點有設宅需求的行政區只要超過1500人以上表示有設宅需求目前是25區那25區以後我們認為說接下來我們會跟內政部協調\n559221\t576709\t去比對他目前正在興辦社宅的有幾處然後再去評估說然後再去比對完之後才知道說我們後面可以協商哪些地區是優先協調能夠協助原住民入住社宅的目前做法是這樣子所以第一個你會建立原住民社宅嗎\n578049\t597697\t也會有計畫建築設宅我們目前根據原住民人口比較多的行政區超過1500人以上行政區總共25個行政區那25個行政區呢那我們在比對在內政部在當地有沒有新辦設宅的新辦計畫那這一部分有確定完比對完之後呢\n599817\t623003\t這部分就是我們要優先協調地方政府努力提高原住民入住社宅的保障只是比對各縣市原住民人數較多而且他們有社宅需求的縣市比對出來這些縣市以後再跟縣市政府來討論說是不是可以讓這些人有什麼樣的機制可以入住社宅是嗎那這樣的報告大概什麼時候會出來\n627258\t645124\t這個報告應該再給我們一個月的時間一個月可以出來那希望說這個報告出來以後可以提供給我們所有內政委員會的委員來去做參考那最後一個問題時間的關係那剛剛特別有提到說這個語言是文化傳承跟發展的根本尤其原住民的語言的復興跟推廣\n646224\t660683\t不僅影響到原住民族的教育體系的建構也影響文化的保存跟發揚那剛剛特別在裡面有提到說這個族裔幼兒園現在只有79班所以受益人數現在是有限的\n661224\t685170\t那我想要請教一下說現在國小教育部將國小階段的這個足與失之的認證門檻從高級調到中高級那我們就園委會的立場如何確保失之的培育以及這個進修的機制可以同步補強以免避免這些教育的落差各位報告齁那個這個足與教失我們希望是\n686363\t714242\t他能夠他的這個足以認證必須是要中高級中高級我們現在在能力這個在測驗上我們要把它分成有聽說還有讀寫還有這四個都要會的你只要會先這個聽說你就可以來通過這個中高級的足以認證你就可以取得這個足以老師的這個資格我們希望更多的足以老師來\n715783\t730442\t加入這個我們這個足語的這個讓我們的小朋友更多人來寫我們的足語所以主委的意思是說過去從高級就是要通過高級的門檻把他變成中高級所以為了老師人數會變更多\n733786\t754637\t然後未來可以收到這些那個主義與教育的人數你們也考慮要增加對你們有這樣的計畫是嗎是OK好那還有一個問題剛才看到也是很重要的問題就是有關於這個我們有關於援助民族青年就業跟基進的問題我們有一個百萬的創業計畫就是說如果你符合特定條件的話\n755397\t757598\t你就可以得到100萬的創業基金我們過去10年我們輔導了200家的企業這邊我們提到一個很優質的數據說企業的存活率是86.5%\n770305\t792945\t那所以我們對這個很好奇喔因為我們覺得這個做得很好是不是可以請主委在會後的時候提供說這些的企業是分別是在哪些的縣市那它是在哪些的產業然後我們來確認說是不是各族群在這個各個縣市裡面我們的原住民都可以認真都可以得到一些創業的補助而且他們都開支善業可以嗎好謝謝好謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席各位官員各位委員大家早有請我們原委會曾志勇主委曾主委有請\n主委好主委有關於今天是有關原委會的預算解凍案首先要跟主委報告在去年6月24公布進法補償條例第6條的修正草案也是我們很多\n大家所關心的從114年的進法補償的金額要從每公頃3萬塊提高到6萬塊所以在過去我知道在去年的年底的時候很多不管是原住民委員在野黨要求說過去只提從3萬塊提到4萬塊的以後要把它提高到6萬塊在野黨立委大家全力的努力之下行政院終於妥協也在今年3月10號決定將這些進法補償的金額從\n這個從3萬塊要提到6萬塊所以增加了這個23億9964萬的經費然後呈報在行政院辦理追加預算那請問一下兩個問題第一個是說這個現在整個進行的進度如何那第二個就是要請教主委的是因為我們也不想要這樣子過去發生的情況再一次的發生那因為現在是五月的下旬原委會是不是應該已經\n差不多編好了 明年也是115年度的預算有沒有把這個進法補償的預算給編足那因為你們自己有設算在從今年開始起 所有每年需要的金分是52.15億有沒有這樣 有沒有編足這樣的預算 請回答\n好 謝謝委員 那有關這個進化補償這個這個補償的經費我們已經在今年的3月10號我們就已經申請 我們跟那個那個我們的那個行政院來\n申請希望能夠來追加然後我們每一年都是在9月發放我們希望今年一樣如期是在9月會全數發放嗎對 9月好 就是發到每公頃6萬塊對 每公頃6萬好 謝謝好 那115年度會不會也編組還是會編組到6萬塊嗎\n我們有編組有編組有編組110就是下個年度的確定嗎希望是一樣的就是就是52.15億預估的對好好謝謝那第二個當然謝謝主委的回應我相信這樣子的話\n是會給所有的有這樣子需要的原住民一個很完整的補償那第二個我們今天討論的是有關於預算解凍的案子可是在預算解凍的時候我們當然也希望原委會可以有一個完整清楚的解釋那我們看到說第一個很多委員之前有提過的就是說有關於一般行政費下面的有關於水電費的部分\n他原本只有編列在113年只有編列85萬然後在114年的時候編列了350多萬所以增幅高達好幾倍那我們看到了這個原委會提供的說明是說其實過去有在109年到113年的時候其實每年的平均的水電費就是300多萬那我們想請問說為什麼過去每年的水電費都是300多萬\n可是在從110過去109年到113年的時候每年編列的預算只有八十幾萬因為我們都知道水電費是時資時付的那這些不夠的錢到底是從過去到底是從哪邊所指引的這可以來做一些回答\n主要就是因為我們往年的話都是預算水電費都編不足那考量到近三年的這個電費調漲已經超過30%了所以在114年的時候行政院就有增編預算給我們那是不是可以請您回應一下說為什麼過去水電費都編不足那你是從哪一個經費去我們是從一般的行政的業務費去先留用到\n那一般行政會不會壓縮到一般行政的業務不會兩百多萬不會影響到一般的業務那原本那些一般的業務原本都在做什麼使用哪一些業務的費用拿來去轉播到水電費可以回答嗎比如說像那個員工的一些福利的費用那員工的福利如何做保障\n他就是從一般的比如說比如說什麼清潔維護啊或是保全警衛啊這些等等的業務費去做調餘所以這邊我要跟好有請主委\n所以你有看到聽到剛剛你們同仁的回應嗎所以我們希望的是說原民會你們的這個所有的預算應該要編列要符合就是說真正的時之時付所以大家最針對原委會的預算才不會說這麼多的質疑就是說我們希望說不要拿這個大家同仁的福利來去做隨便的流用其實這樣會造成大家的這個\n福利會有一些的影響希望說未來相關的預算編列可以依照十知十負的整體的概念來好好編預算可以嗎是\n好OK好那第二個我們來請教一下就是說其實我們今天預算解凍案我相信在野立委我們都展現一個誠意想要讓預算所有都解凍讓大家有完整的預算來使用可是我們看到又看到另外一個其實在你們的這個預算的解編的這個專案報告書裡面寫的非常的不明確裡面有一個在第21頁裡面有一個就是說關於辦理原住民逐日及節慶活動所需經費是500萬元\n其實到113年的178萬元其實增加了321萬元所以這增加的幅率也是好幾倍可是在你們的報告書裡面其實沒有明確寫說為何要增加這樣子的一個經費的內容只是一個很普遍性講的是說又是因為要委託民間專業團隊來去協助辦理所以是不是請主委這邊我們想要協助擁有會可是你們可不可以明確的指示說為什麼預算要增加兩到三倍\n好 那這個是處長來說明好 請處長說明根據內容報告這個部分我們當時在提供給大院的這個一四年度預算科目細部計畫說明表裡面已經有說明就是說這個這筆經費主要是要包含辦理原住民族政策高峰會一場次國家希望工程成果發表一場次然後製作與推播原住民族致敬影片一支頒發原住民族獎章還有辦理重大原住民族政策專題演講三場次\n這個在當初提供給大院的這個細部計畫說明表已經有已經有名列這些工作項目我請問一下你有寫在今天的這個報告裡面嗎沒有那是不是會後可以把這個資料再給我所以你的意思是說你有增加這個舉辦這個表演的場次大概舉多幾場\n我們當然有多了這個總共多了四場多了四場是好那會後再把資料提供提供給我們好不好謝謝好那現在請主委\n好 謝謝主委那我們也要請教就是說關於你們第113頁裡面特別有強調的是本席很在意的就是原住民的朋友他的第一個原住民的社會住宅不足以及之前在質詢的時候好像提到說我們原住民的朋友要排社宅的時候常常都排隊都排很久拿到號碼牌都拿到很後面所以當時本席在質詢的時候有特別拜託說你們是不是可以來\n查詢喔就是說我們這些原住民的朋友到底有多少人還在排社宅有多少人其實現在過去是排社宅一直沒有住不到的人數你們有沒有統計那我在第一百億失業裡面也有看到說你們終於有來做委託這個\n有委託要來處理這件事情 我來念一下這個內容他說那個園民會於114年委託辦理原住民族的住宅輔導有委託專業服務勞務採購案來調查以及推估原住民民族家族居住協助需求的類型以及戶數那我現在想要請教主委因為已經有在辦理了 現在辦理的情形的狀況如何是不是可以 可不可以讓大家知道一下\n好 來 蘇總委報告委員 我們現在目前每四年原住民經濟狀況調查是每四年調查一次那我們今年開始我們居住調查研究我們分兩部分來做進行第一部分我們已經先盤點有設宅需求的行政區只要超過1500人以上表示有設宅需求目前是25區那25區以後我們認為說接下來我們會跟內政部協調\n去比對他目前正在興辦社宅的有幾處然後再去評估說然後再去比對完之後才知道說我們後面可以協商哪些地區是優先協調能夠協助原住民入住社宅的目前做法是這樣子所以第一個你會建立原住民社宅嗎\n也會有計畫建築設宅我們目前根據原住民人口比較多的行政區超過1500人以上行政區總共25個行政區那25個行政區呢那我們在比對在內政部在當地有沒有新辦設宅的新辦計畫那這一部分有確定完比對完之後呢\n這部分就是我們要優先協調地方政府努力提高原住民入住社宅的保障只是比對各縣市原住民人數較多而且他們有社宅需求的縣市比對出來這些縣市以後再跟縣市政府來討論說是不是可以讓這些人有什麼樣的機制可以入住社宅是嗎那這樣的報告大概什麼時候會出來\n這個報告應該再給我們一個月的時間一個月可以出來那希望說這個報告出來以後可以提供給我們所有內政委員會的委員來去做參考那最後一個問題時間的關係那剛剛特別有提到說這個語言是文化傳承跟發展的根本尤其原住民的語言的復興跟推廣\n不僅影響到原住民族的教育體系的建構也影響文化的保存跟發揚那剛剛特別在裡面有提到說這個族裔幼兒園現在只有79班所以受益人數現在是有限的\n那我想要請教一下說現在國小教育部將國小階段的這個足與失之的認證門檻從高級調到中高級那我們就園委會的立場如何確保失之的培育以及這個進修的機制可以同步補強以免避免這些教育的落差各位報告齁那個這個足與教失我們希望是\n他能夠他的這個足以認證必須是要中高級中高級我們現在在能力這個在測驗上我們要把它分成有聽說還有讀寫還有這四個都要會的你只要會先這個聽說你就可以來通過這個中高級的足以認證你就可以取得這個足以老師的這個資格我們希望更多的足以老師來\n加入這個我們這個足語的這個讓我們的小朋友更多人來寫我們的足語所以主委的意思是說過去從高級就是要通過高級的門檻把他變成中高級所以為了老師人數會變更多\n然後未來可以收到這些那個主義與教育的人數你們也考慮要增加對你們有這樣的計畫是嗎是OK好那還有一個問題剛才看到也是很重要的問題就是有關於這個我們有關於援助民族青年就業跟基進的問題我們有一個百萬的創業計畫就是說如果你符合特定條件的話\n你就可以得到100萬的創業基金我們過去10年我們輔導了200家的企業這邊我們提到一個很優質的數據說企業的存活率是86.5%\n那所以我們對這個很好奇喔因為我們覺得這個做得很好是不是可以請主委在會後的時候提供說這些的企業是分別是在哪些的縣市那它是在哪些的產業然後我們來確認說是不是各族群在這個各個縣市裡面我們的原住民都可以認真都可以得到一些創業的補助而且他們都開支善業可以嗎好謝謝好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.490 --> 00:13.527\n好謝謝主席各位官員各位委員大家早有請我們原委會曾志勇主委曾主委有請\n\n00:22.439 --> 00:37.337\n主委好主委有關於今天是有關原委會的預算解凍案首先要跟主委報告在去年6月24公布進法補償條例第6條的修正草案也是我們很多\n\n00:38.118 --> 01:04.229\n大家所關心的從114年的進法補償的金額要從每公頃3萬塊提高到6萬塊所以在過去我知道在去年的年底的時候很多不管是原住民委員在野黨要求說過去只提從3萬塊提到4萬塊的以後要把它提高到6萬塊在野黨立委大家全力的努力之下行政院終於妥協也在今年3月10號決定將這些進法補償的金額從\n\n01:10.961 --> 01:34.861\n這個從3萬塊要提到6萬塊所以增加了這個23億9964萬的經費然後呈報在行政院辦理追加預算那請問一下兩個問題第一個是說這個現在整個進行的進度如何那第二個就是要請教主委的是因為我們也不想要這樣子過去發生的情況再一次的發生那因為現在是五月的下旬原委會是不是應該已經\n\n01:36.591 --> 01:49.559\n差不多編好了明年也是115年度的預算有沒有把這個進法補償的預算給編足那因為你們自己有設算在從今年開始起所有每年需要的金分是52.15億有沒有這樣有沒有編足這樣的預算請回答\n\n01:53.252 --> 02:08.263\n好謝謝委員那有關這個進化補償這個這個補償的經費我們已經在今年的3月10號我們就已經申請我們跟那個那個我們的那個行政院來\n\n02:09.384 --> 02:24.836\n申請希望能夠來追加然後我們每一年都是在9月發放我們希望今年一樣如期是在9月會全數發放嗎對9月好就是發到每公頃6萬塊對每公頃6萬好謝謝好那115年度會不會也編組還是會編組到6萬塊嗎\n\n02:30.236 --> 02:44.389\n我們有編組有編組有編組110就是下個年度的確定嗎希望是一樣的就是就是52.15億預估的對好好謝謝那第二個當然謝謝主委的回應我相信這樣子的話\n\n02:45.450 --> 03:08.564\n是會給所有的有這樣子需要的原住民一個很完整的補償那第二個我們今天討論的是有關於預算解凍的案子可是在預算解凍的時候我們當然也希望原委會可以有一個完整清楚的解釋那我們看到說第一個很多委員之前有提過的就是說有關於一般行政費下面的有關於水電費的部分\n\n03:09.284 --> 03:34.274\n他原本只有編列在113年只有編列85萬然後在114年的時候編列了350多萬所以增幅高達好幾倍那我們看到了這個原委會提供的說明是說其實過去有在109年到113年的時候其實每年的平均的水電費就是300多萬那我們想請問說為什麼過去每年的水電費都是300多萬\n\n03:35.334 --> 03:50.273\n可是在從110過去109年到113年的時候每年編列的預算只有八十幾萬因為我們都知道水電費是時資時付的那這些不夠的錢到底是從過去到底是從哪邊所指引的這可以來做一些回答\n\n03:53.395 --> 04:20.994\n主要就是因為我們往年的話都是預算水電費都編不足那考量到近三年的這個電費調漲已經超過30%了所以在114年的時候行政院就有增編預算給我們那是不是可以請您回應一下說為什麼過去水電費都編不足那你是從哪一個經費去我們是從一般的行政的業務費去先留用到\n\n04:21.694 --> 04:46.264\n那一般行政會不會壓縮到一般行政的業務不會兩百多萬不會影響到一般的業務那原本那些一般的業務原本都在做什麼使用哪一些業務的費用拿來去轉播到水電費可以回答嗎比如說像那個員工的一些福利的費用那員工的福利如何做保障\n\n04:48.342 --> 04:59.030\n他就是從一般的比如說比如說什麼清潔維護啊或是保全警衛啊這些等等的業務費去做調餘所以這邊我要跟好有請主委\n\n05:00.273 --> 05:23.054\n所以你有看到聽到剛剛你們同仁的回應嗎所以我們希望的是說原民會你們的這個所有的預算應該要編列要符合就是說真正的時之時付所以大家最針對原委會的預算才不會說這麼多的質疑就是說我們希望說不要拿這個大家同仁的福利來去做隨便的流用其實這樣會造成大家的這個\n\n05:24.415 --> 05:32.222\n福利會有一些的影響希望說未來相關的預算編列可以依照十知十負的整體的概念來好好編預算可以嗎是\n\n05:32.844 --> 06:01.723\n好OK好那第二個我們來請教一下就是說其實我們今天預算解凍案我相信在野立委我們都展現一個誠意想要讓預算所有都解凍讓大家有完整的預算來使用可是我們看到又看到另外一個其實在你們的這個預算的解編的這個專案報告書裡面寫的非常的不明確裡面有一個在第21頁裡面有一個就是說關於辦理原住民逐日及節慶活動所需經費是500萬元\n\n06:03.344 --> 06:32.376\n其實到113年的178萬元其實增加了321萬元所以這增加的幅率也是好幾倍可是在你們的報告書裡面其實沒有明確寫說為何要增加這樣子的一個經費的內容只是一個很普遍性講的是說又是因為要委託民間專業團隊來去協助辦理所以是不是請主委這邊我們想要協助擁有會可是你們可不可以明確的指示說為什麼預算要增加兩到三倍\n\n06:33.717 --> 07:00.738\n好那這個是處長來說明好請處長說明根據內容報告這個部分我們當時在提供給大院的這個一四年度預算科目細部計畫說明表裡面已經有說明就是說這個這筆經費主要是要包含辦理原住民族政策高峰會一場次國家希望工程成果發表一場次然後製作與推播原住民族致敬影片一支頒發原住民族獎章還有辦理重大原住民族政策專題演講三場次\n\n07:02.419 --> 07:22.074\n這個在當初提供給大院的這個細部計畫說明表已經有已經有名列這些工作項目我請問一下你有寫在今天的這個報告裡面嗎沒有那是不是會後可以把這個資料再給我所以你的意思是說你有增加這個舉辦這個表演的場次大概舉多幾場\n\n07:23.691 --> 07:37.336\n我們當然有多了這個總共多了四場多了四場是好那會後再把資料提供提供給我們好不好謝謝好那現在請主委\n\n07:40.074 --> 08:05.493\n好謝謝主委那我們也要請教就是說關於你們第113頁裡面特別有強調的是本席很在意的就是原住民的朋友他的第一個原住民的社會住宅不足以及之前在質詢的時候好像提到說我們原住民的朋友要排社宅的時候常常都排隊都排很久拿到號碼牌都拿到很後面所以當時本席在質詢的時候有特別拜託說你們是不是可以來\n\n08:06.374 --> 08:21.847\n查詢喔就是說我們這些原住民的朋友到底有多少人還在排社宅有多少人其實現在過去是排社宅一直沒有住不到的人數你們有沒有統計那我在第一百億失業裡面也有看到說你們終於有來做委託這個\n\n08:23.348 --> 08:49.246\n有委託要來處理這件事情我來念一下這個內容他說那個園民會於114年委託辦理原住民族的住宅輔導有委託專業服務勞務採購案來調查以及推估原住民民族家族居住協助需求的類型以及戶數那我現在想要請教主委因為已經有在辦理了現在辦理的情形的狀況如何是不是可以可不可以讓大家知道一下\n\n08:50.865 --> 09:15.159\n好來蘇總委報告委員我們現在目前每四年原住民經濟狀況調查是每四年調查一次那我們今年開始我們居住調查研究我們分兩部分來做進行第一部分我們已經先盤點有設宅需求的行政區只要超過1500人以上表示有設宅需求目前是25區那25區以後我們認為說接下來我們會跟內政部協調\n\n09:19.221 --> 09:36.709\n去比對他目前正在興辦社宅的有幾處然後再去評估說然後再去比對完之後才知道說我們後面可以協商哪些地區是優先協調能夠協助原住民入住社宅的目前做法是這樣子所以第一個你會建立原住民社宅嗎\n\n09:38.049 --> 09:57.697\n也會有計畫建築設宅我們目前根據原住民人口比較多的行政區超過1500人以上行政區總共25個行政區那25個行政區呢那我們在比對在內政部在當地有沒有新辦設宅的新辦計畫那這一部分有確定完比對完之後呢\n\n09:59.817 --> 10:23.003\n這部分就是我們要優先協調地方政府努力提高原住民入住社宅的保障只是比對各縣市原住民人數較多而且他們有社宅需求的縣市比對出來這些縣市以後再跟縣市政府來討論說是不是可以讓這些人有什麼樣的機制可以入住社宅是嗎那這樣的報告大概什麼時候會出來\n\n10:27.258 --> 10:45.124\n這個報告應該再給我們一個月的時間一個月可以出來那希望說這個報告出來以後可以提供給我們所有內政委員會的委員來去做參考那最後一個問題時間的關係那剛剛特別有提到說這個語言是文化傳承跟發展的根本尤其原住民的語言的復興跟推廣\n\n10:46.224 --> 11:00.683\n不僅影響到原住民族的教育體系的建構也影響文化的保存跟發揚那剛剛特別在裡面有提到說這個族裔幼兒園現在只有79班所以受益人數現在是有限的\n\n11:01.224 --> 11:25.170\n那我想要請教一下說現在國小教育部將國小階段的這個足與失之的認證門檻從高級調到中高級那我們就園委會的立場如何確保失之的培育以及這個進修的機制可以同步補強以免避免這些教育的落差各位報告齁那個這個足與教失我們希望是\n\n11:26.363 --> 11:54.242\n他能夠他的這個足以認證必須是要中高級中高級我們現在在能力這個在測驗上我們要把它分成有聽說還有讀寫還有這四個都要會的你只要會先這個聽說你就可以來通過這個中高級的足以認證你就可以取得這個足以老師的這個資格我們希望更多的足以老師來\n\n11:55.783 --> 12:10.442\n加入這個我們這個足語的這個讓我們的小朋友更多人來寫我們的足語所以主委的意思是說過去從高級就是要通過高級的門檻把他變成中高級所以為了老師人數會變更多\n\n12:13.786 --> 12:34.637\n然後未來可以收到這些那個主義與教育的人數你們也考慮要增加對你們有這樣的計畫是嗎是OK好那還有一個問題剛才看到也是很重要的問題就是有關於這個我們有關於援助民族青年就業跟基進的問題我們有一個百萬的創業計畫就是說如果你符合特定條件的話\n\n12:35.397 --> 12:37.598\n你就可以得到100萬的創業基金我們過去10年我們輔導了200家的企業這邊我們提到一個很優質的數據說企業的存活率是86.5%\n\n12:50.305 --> 13:12.945\n那所以我們對這個很好奇喔因為我們覺得這個做得很好是不是可以請主委在會後的時候提供說這些的企業是分別是在哪些的縣市那它是在哪些的產業然後我們來確認說是不是各族群在這個各個縣市裡面我們的原住民都可以認真都可以得到一些創業的補助而且他們都開支善業可以嗎好謝謝好謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":6.49,"end":13.527,"text":"好謝謝主席各位官員各位委員大家早有請我們原委會曾志勇主委曾主委有請"},{"start":22.439,"end":37.337,"text":"主委好主委有關於今天是有關原委會的預算解凍案首先要跟主委報告在去年6月24公布進法補償條例第6條的修正草案也是我們很多"},{"start":38.118,"end":64.229,"text":"大家所關心的從114年的進法補償的金額要從每公頃3萬塊提高到6萬塊所以在過去我知道在去年的年底的時候很多不管是原住民委員在野黨要求說過去只提從3萬塊提到4萬塊的以後要把它提高到6萬塊在野黨立委大家全力的努力之下行政院終於妥協也在今年3月10號決定將這些進法補償的金額從"},{"start":70.961,"end":94.861,"text":"這個從3萬塊要提到6萬塊所以增加了這個23億9964萬的經費然後呈報在行政院辦理追加預算那請問一下兩個問題第一個是說這個現在整個進行的進度如何那第二個就是要請教主委的是因為我們也不想要這樣子過去發生的情況再一次的發生那因為現在是五月的下旬原委會是不是應該已經"},{"start":96.591,"end":109.559,"text":"差不多編好了 明年也是115年度的預算有沒有把這個進法補償的預算給編足那因為你們自己有設算在從今年開始起 所有每年需要的金分是52.15億有沒有這樣 有沒有編足這樣的預算 請回答"},{"start":113.252,"end":128.263,"text":"好 謝謝委員 那有關這個進化補償這個這個補償的經費我們已經在今年的3月10號我們就已經申請 我們跟那個那個我們的那個行政院來"},{"start":129.384,"end":144.836,"text":"申請希望能夠來追加然後我們每一年都是在9月發放我們希望今年一樣如期是在9月會全數發放嗎對 9月好 就是發到每公頃6萬塊對 每公頃6萬好 謝謝好 那115年度會不會也編組還是會編組到6萬塊嗎"},{"start":150.236,"end":164.389,"text":"我們有編組有編組有編組110就是下個年度的確定嗎希望是一樣的就是就是52.15億預估的對好好謝謝那第二個當然謝謝主委的回應我相信這樣子的話"},{"start":165.45,"end":188.564,"text":"是會給所有的有這樣子需要的原住民一個很完整的補償那第二個我們今天討論的是有關於預算解凍的案子可是在預算解凍的時候我們當然也希望原委會可以有一個完整清楚的解釋那我們看到說第一個很多委員之前有提過的就是說有關於一般行政費下面的有關於水電費的部分"},{"start":189.284,"end":214.274,"text":"他原本只有編列在113年只有編列85萬然後在114年的時候編列了350多萬所以增幅高達好幾倍那我們看到了這個原委會提供的說明是說其實過去有在109年到113年的時候其實每年的平均的水電費就是300多萬那我們想請問說為什麼過去每年的水電費都是300多萬"},{"start":215.334,"end":230.273,"text":"可是在從110過去109年到113年的時候每年編列的預算只有八十幾萬因為我們都知道水電費是時資時付的那這些不夠的錢到底是從過去到底是從哪邊所指引的這可以來做一些回答"},{"start":233.395,"end":260.994,"text":"主要就是因為我們往年的話都是預算水電費都編不足那考量到近三年的這個電費調漲已經超過30%了所以在114年的時候行政院就有增編預算給我們那是不是可以請您回應一下說為什麼過去水電費都編不足那你是從哪一個經費去我們是從一般的行政的業務費去先留用到"},{"start":261.694,"end":286.264,"text":"那一般行政會不會壓縮到一般行政的業務不會兩百多萬不會影響到一般的業務那原本那些一般的業務原本都在做什麼使用哪一些業務的費用拿來去轉播到水電費可以回答嗎比如說像那個員工的一些福利的費用那員工的福利如何做保障"},{"start":288.342,"end":299.03,"text":"他就是從一般的比如說比如說什麼清潔維護啊或是保全警衛啊這些等等的業務費去做調餘所以這邊我要跟好有請主委"},{"start":300.273,"end":323.054,"text":"所以你有看到聽到剛剛你們同仁的回應嗎所以我們希望的是說原民會你們的這個所有的預算應該要編列要符合就是說真正的時之時付所以大家最針對原委會的預算才不會說這麼多的質疑就是說我們希望說不要拿這個大家同仁的福利來去做隨便的流用其實這樣會造成大家的這個"},{"start":324.415,"end":332.222,"text":"福利會有一些的影響希望說未來相關的預算編列可以依照十知十負的整體的概念來好好編預算可以嗎是"},{"start":332.844,"end":361.723,"text":"好OK好那第二個我們來請教一下就是說其實我們今天預算解凍案我相信在野立委我們都展現一個誠意想要讓預算所有都解凍讓大家有完整的預算來使用可是我們看到又看到另外一個其實在你們的這個預算的解編的這個專案報告書裡面寫的非常的不明確裡面有一個在第21頁裡面有一個就是說關於辦理原住民逐日及節慶活動所需經費是500萬元"},{"start":363.344,"end":392.376,"text":"其實到113年的178萬元其實增加了321萬元所以這增加的幅率也是好幾倍可是在你們的報告書裡面其實沒有明確寫說為何要增加這樣子的一個經費的內容只是一個很普遍性講的是說又是因為要委託民間專業團隊來去協助辦理所以是不是請主委這邊我們想要協助擁有會可是你們可不可以明確的指示說為什麼預算要增加兩到三倍"},{"start":393.717,"end":420.738,"text":"好 那這個是處長來說明好 請處長說明根據內容報告這個部分我們當時在提供給大院的這個一四年度預算科目細部計畫說明表裡面已經有說明就是說這個這筆經費主要是要包含辦理原住民族政策高峰會一場次國家希望工程成果發表一場次然後製作與推播原住民族致敬影片一支頒發原住民族獎章還有辦理重大原住民族政策專題演講三場次"},{"start":422.419,"end":442.074,"text":"這個在當初提供給大院的這個細部計畫說明表已經有已經有名列這些工作項目我請問一下你有寫在今天的這個報告裡面嗎沒有那是不是會後可以把這個資料再給我所以你的意思是說你有增加這個舉辦這個表演的場次大概舉多幾場"},{"start":443.691,"end":457.336,"text":"我們當然有多了這個總共多了四場多了四場是好那會後再把資料提供提供給我們好不好謝謝好那現在請主委"},{"start":460.074,"end":485.493,"text":"好 謝謝主委那我們也要請教就是說關於你們第113頁裡面特別有強調的是本席很在意的就是原住民的朋友他的第一個原住民的社會住宅不足以及之前在質詢的時候好像提到說我們原住民的朋友要排社宅的時候常常都排隊都排很久拿到號碼牌都拿到很後面所以當時本席在質詢的時候有特別拜託說你們是不是可以來"},{"start":486.374,"end":501.847,"text":"查詢喔就是說我們這些原住民的朋友到底有多少人還在排社宅有多少人其實現在過去是排社宅一直沒有住不到的人數你們有沒有統計那我在第一百億失業裡面也有看到說你們終於有來做委託這個"},{"start":503.348,"end":529.246,"text":"有委託要來處理這件事情 我來念一下這個內容他說那個園民會於114年委託辦理原住民族的住宅輔導有委託專業服務勞務採購案來調查以及推估原住民民族家族居住協助需求的類型以及戶數那我現在想要請教主委因為已經有在辦理了 現在辦理的情形的狀況如何是不是可以 可不可以讓大家知道一下"},{"start":530.865,"end":555.159,"text":"好 來 蘇總委報告委員 我們現在目前每四年原住民經濟狀況調查是每四年調查一次那我們今年開始我們居住調查研究我們分兩部分來做進行第一部分我們已經先盤點有設宅需求的行政區只要超過1500人以上表示有設宅需求目前是25區那25區以後我們認為說接下來我們會跟內政部協調"},{"start":559.221,"end":576.709,"text":"去比對他目前正在興辦社宅的有幾處然後再去評估說然後再去比對完之後才知道說我們後面可以協商哪些地區是優先協調能夠協助原住民入住社宅的目前做法是這樣子所以第一個你會建立原住民社宅嗎"},{"start":578.049,"end":597.697,"text":"也會有計畫建築設宅我們目前根據原住民人口比較多的行政區超過1500人以上行政區總共25個行政區那25個行政區呢那我們在比對在內政部在當地有沒有新辦設宅的新辦計畫那這一部分有確定完比對完之後呢"},{"start":599.817,"end":623.003,"text":"這部分就是我們要優先協調地方政府努力提高原住民入住社宅的保障只是比對各縣市原住民人數較多而且他們有社宅需求的縣市比對出來這些縣市以後再跟縣市政府來討論說是不是可以讓這些人有什麼樣的機制可以入住社宅是嗎那這樣的報告大概什麼時候會出來"},{"start":627.258,"end":645.124,"text":"這個報告應該再給我們一個月的時間一個月可以出來那希望說這個報告出來以後可以提供給我們所有內政委員會的委員來去做參考那最後一個問題時間的關係那剛剛特別有提到說這個語言是文化傳承跟發展的根本尤其原住民的語言的復興跟推廣"},{"start":646.224,"end":660.683,"text":"不僅影響到原住民族的教育體系的建構也影響文化的保存跟發揚那剛剛特別在裡面有提到說這個族裔幼兒園現在只有79班所以受益人數現在是有限的"},{"start":661.224,"end":685.17,"text":"那我想要請教一下說現在國小教育部將國小階段的這個足與失之的認證門檻從高級調到中高級那我們就園委會的立場如何確保失之的培育以及這個進修的機制可以同步補強以免避免這些教育的落差各位報告齁那個這個足與教失我們希望是"},{"start":686.363,"end":714.242,"text":"他能夠他的這個足以認證必須是要中高級中高級我們現在在能力這個在測驗上我們要把它分成有聽說還有讀寫還有這四個都要會的你只要會先這個聽說你就可以來通過這個中高級的足以認證你就可以取得這個足以老師的這個資格我們希望更多的足以老師來"},{"start":715.783,"end":730.442,"text":"加入這個我們這個足語的這個讓我們的小朋友更多人來寫我們的足語所以主委的意思是說過去從高級就是要通過高級的門檻把他變成中高級所以為了老師人數會變更多"},{"start":733.786,"end":754.637,"text":"然後未來可以收到這些那個主義與教育的人數你們也考慮要增加對你們有這樣的計畫是嗎是OK好那還有一個問題剛才看到也是很重要的問題就是有關於這個我們有關於援助民族青年就業跟基進的問題我們有一個百萬的創業計畫就是說如果你符合特定條件的話"},{"start":755.397,"end":757.598,"text":"你就可以得到100萬的創業基金我們過去10年我們輔導了200家的企業這邊我們提到一個很優質的數據說企業的存活率是86.5%"},{"start":770.305,"end":792.945,"text":"那所以我們對這個很好奇喔因為我們覺得這個做得很好是不是可以請主委在會後的時候提供說這些的企業是分別是在哪些的縣市那它是在哪些的產業然後我們來確認說是不是各族群在這個各個縣市裡面我們的原住民都可以認真都可以得到一些創業的補助而且他們都開支善業可以嗎好謝謝好謝謝"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":570,"blocks":[["張委員智倫：（9時19分）謝謝主席。各位官員、各位委員，大家早。有請我們原委會曾智勇主委。"],["主席：曾主委有請。"],["曾主任委員智勇：委員好。"],["張委員智倫：主委好。主委，今天是有關原委會的預算解凍案，首先要跟主委報告，去年6月24號公布禁伐補償條例第六條的修正草案，這也是大家所關心的，114年禁伐補償的金額要從每公頃3萬塊提高到6萬塊，所以在去年底的時候，很多不管是原住民委員還是在野黨，對於過去從3萬塊提高到4萬塊以後還要提高到6萬塊，在在野黨立委全力的努力之下，行政院終於妥協，也在今年3月10日決定將這些禁伐補償的金額從3萬塊提高到6萬塊，所以增加了23億9,964萬的經費呈報到行政院辦理追加預算。請問兩個問題，第一個，現在整個進行的進度如何？第二個要請教主委的是，因為我也不想過去發生的情況再次發生，現在是5月下旬，原委會是不是應該已經差不多編好明（115）年度的預算？有沒有把禁伐補償的預算編足？因為你們自己有設算，從今年起，每年所需的經費是52.15億，有沒有編足這樣的預算？請回答。"],["曾主任委員智勇：謝謝委員，有關禁伐補償的經費我們在今年3月10日就已經向行政院申請追加，我們每一年都是在9月發放，希望今年一樣能如期在9月……"],["張委員智倫：9月會全數發放嗎？"],["曾主任委員智勇：對，9月。"],["張委員智倫：好，就是發到每公頃6萬塊？"],["曾主任委員智勇：對，每公頃6萬。"],["張委員智倫：好，謝謝。那115年度會不會也編足到6萬塊？"],["曾主任委員智勇：我們有編足。"],["張委員智倫：有編足？"],["曾主任委員智勇：就是下個年度的。"],["張委員智倫：確定嗎？"],["曾主任委員智勇：希望一樣是……"],["張委員智倫：就是預估的52.15億？"],["曾主任委員智勇：對。"],["張委員智倫：好，謝謝，這當然要謝謝主委的回應，我相信這樣可以給所有有這個需要的原住民一個很完整的補償。第二個，我們今天討論的是關於預算解凍的案子，可是在預算解凍的時候我們當然也希望原委會可以有一個完整、清楚的解釋。我們看到第一個，很多委員之前有提過，就是在一般行政費項下有關水電費的部分，它原本在113年只有編列85萬，到114年的時候編列了三百五十多萬，所以增幅高達好幾倍，我看到原委會提供的說明是，其實過去在109年到113年的時候，每年平均的水電費就是三百多萬，我們想請問為什麼過去每年的水電費都是三百多萬，但是109年到113年的時候每年編列的預算卻只有八十幾萬。我們都知道水電費是實支實付的，這些不夠的錢過去到底是從哪邊支應的呢？這可不可以做一些回答？"],["曾主任委員智勇：是不是可以請我們的秘書室主任來回答？"],["張委員智倫：可以，請說。"],["陳主任玫霖：跟委員報告，主要是我們往年水電費的預算都編列不足，考量到近3年電費的調漲已經超過30%了……"],["張委員智倫：沒錯。"],["陳主任玫霖：所以114年的時候行政院就有增編預算給我們。"],["張委員智倫：是不是可以請您回應一下，為什麼過去水電費都編列不足？你是從哪一個經費去流用到……"],["陳主任玫霖：我們是從一般行政的業務費去流用的。"],["張委員智倫：這樣會不會壓縮到一般行政的業務？"],["陳主任玫霖：不會。"],["張委員智倫：二百多萬不會影響到一般的業務？那些一般的業務費原本都在做什麼使用？你是拿哪一些業務的費用轉去支付水電費的？可以回答嗎？"],["陳主任玫霖：譬如員工福利的費用。"],["張委員智倫：那員工的福利要如何保障？"],["陳主任玫霖：就是從一般的清潔維護或是保全、警衛等等這些業務費去調勻。"],["張委員智倫：好，有請主委。主委，你剛剛有聽到你們同仁的回應嗎？我們是希望原民會所有的預算編列應該要符合真正的實支實付，大家針對原委會的預算才不會有那麼多的質疑，我們希望不要拿同仁們的福利去隨便流用，這樣對大家的福利會造成一些影響，希望未來相關的預算編列可以依照實支實付整體的概念去好好編列，可以嗎？"],["曾主任委員智勇：是。"],["張委員智倫：OK。第二個，我們要請教一下，有關我們今天的預算解凍案相信在野的立委都展現了誠意，想要讓所有的預算都能解凍，讓大家有完整的預算可以使用。可是我們又看到了另外一個，在你們預算解凍的專案報告書裡面寫得非常不明確，在第20頁裡面有一個關於辦理原住民族日及節慶活動所需經費是500萬元，其實比113年的178萬元，增加了321萬元，這裡增加的幅度也是好幾倍，但是在你們的報告書裡面並沒有明確地寫為何要增加這樣的經費內容，只是很普遍性地講說，因為要委託民間專業團隊去協助辦理，所以是不是可以請主委這邊說明？我們想要協助原委會，可是你們可不可以明確的說明為什麼預算要增加兩到三倍？"],["曾主任委員智勇：好，這個是不是可以請處長來說明一下？"],["張委員智倫：好，請處長說明。"],["雅柏甦詠．博伊哲努處長：跟委員報告，這個部分我們當時在提供給大院的114年度預算科目細部計畫說明表裡面已經有說明，這筆經費主要是包含辦理原住民族政策高峰會1場次、國家希望工程成果發表1場次、製作與推播原住民族致敬影片1支、頒發原住民族獎章還有辦理重大原住民族政策專題演講3場次，這個在當初提供給大院的細部計畫說明表裡已經有明列這些工作項目了。"],["張委員智倫：我請教一下，你有寫到今天的報告裡面嗎？"],["雅柏甦詠．博伊哲努處長：沒有。"],["張委員智倫：會後是不是可以再把這個資料給我？"],["雅柏甦詠．博伊哲努處長：好。"],["張委員智倫：你的意思是不是說，你有增加舉辦表演的場次？"],["雅柏甦詠．博伊哲努處長：是。"],["張委員智倫：大概是多了幾場？"],["雅柏甦詠．博伊哲努處長：我們總共是多了4場。"],["張委員智倫：多了4場？"],["雅柏甦詠．博伊哲努處長：是。"],["張委員智倫：會後再把資料提供給我們，好不好？謝謝，接下來請主委。","謝謝主委，我們也要請教，在你們的第113頁裡面特別有強調，本席也很在意的，第一個就是原住民朋友的社會住宅不足，以及之前在質詢的時候，有常常提到，原住民朋友在排社宅的時候，排隊常常要排很久，拿到的號碼牌都是拿到很後面的，所以當時本席在質詢的時候有特別拜託你們，是不是可以查詢這些原住民朋友到底有多少人還在排社宅、過去排社宅卻一直住不到的人數有多少？你們有沒有統計？我在第114頁裡面也有看到你們終於要委託人來處理這件事情了，我來唸一下這個內容，上面說原民會於114年委託辦理原住民族的住宅輔導，有委託專業服務勞務採購案調查以及推估原住民族家族居住協助需求的類型及戶數。我現在要請教主委，因為已經有在辦理了，那現在辦理的情形、狀況是如何？是不是可以讓大家知道一下？"],["曾主任委員智勇：我請處長來。"],["劉處長維哲：報告委員，我們目前基本上是每4年做一次原住民經濟狀況調查，今年開始的居住調查研究會分兩部分進行。第一部分會先盤點有社宅需求的行政區，只要超過1,500人以上就表示有社宅需求，而這部分目前是25區。對於這25區，我們接下來會跟內政部協調，去比對目前正在興辦社宅的有幾處，比對完之後才知道我們後面可以協商出有哪些地區要優先協調，以協助原住民入住社宅，目前的做法是這個樣子。"],["張委員智倫：所以第一個，你會建立原住民社宅嗎？你們會有計畫建原住民社宅嗎？"],["劉處長維哲：不是，我們目前是根據原住民人口比較多的行政區，超過1,500人的行政區總共有25個，對這25個行政區，我們會再比對內政部在當地有沒有興辦社宅的計畫，這部分確定完、比對完之後，我們要優先協調地方政府，努力提高原住民入住社宅保障的一個標的。"],["張委員智倫：所以只是比對各縣市原住民人數較多，而且他們有社宅需求的縣市，比對出這些縣市以後，再跟縣市政府討論是不是可以讓這些人用什麼機制可以入住社宅，是嗎？"],["劉處長維哲：對。"],["張委員智倫：那這樣的報告大概什麼時候會出來？"],["劉處長維哲：再給我們1個月的時間，我們應該就可以提出來。"],["張委員智倫：1個月可以提出來嘛？"],["劉處長維哲：對。"],["張委員智倫：希望這個報告做出來以後可以提供給我們所有內政委員會的委員做參考。"],["劉處長維哲：沒問題。"],["張委員智倫：因為時間的關係，我要問最後一個問題，剛剛有特別提到，語言是文化傳承跟發展的根本，尤其原住民語言的復興跟推廣不僅影響到原住民族教育體系的建構，也影響文化的保存跟發揚。剛剛有特別提到族語幼兒園現在只有79班，所以受益人數其實是有限的，那我想要請教一下，現在教育部將國小階段族語師資的認證門檻從高級調到中高級，就原委會的立場，要如何確保師資的培育以及進修的機制可以同步補強，以避免這方面教學的落差？"],["曾主任委員智勇：跟委員報告，關於族語教師，我們希望他必須要通過中高級的族語認證。"],["張委員智倫：過去是高級對不對？"],["曾主任委員智勇：對。我們現在對族語的能力測驗分成聽、說還有讀、寫這四個部分，你只要會聽、說，你就可以通過中高級的族語認證，就可以取得族語老師的資格，我們希望有更多的族語老師來加入，讓更多小朋友來學習我們的族語。"],["張委員智倫：所以主委的意思是說，過去要通過高級的門檻，現在把它變成中高級，所以未來老師的人數會更多，然後可以受到族語教育的人數你們也考慮要增加？"],["曾主任委員智勇：對。"],["張委員智倫：你們有這樣的計畫，是嗎？"],["曾主任委員智勇：是。"],["張委員智倫：好，那我還有一個問題，這也是很重要的問題，就是關於原住民族青年就業跟基金的問題，你們有一個「百萬創業計畫」，就是如果符合特定條件的話，就可以得到100萬的創業基金，我跟主委報告，在過去10年我們輔導了200家企業，這邊有一個很好、很優質的數據，就是企業的存活率是86.5%，我們對這個很好奇，因為我們覺得這個做得很好，是不是可以請主委在會後提供這些企業分別是在哪些縣市、是哪些產業的資料，然後我們來確認是不是在各個縣市裡面我們各族群的原住民都可以努力、認真而得到一些創業的補助，而且讓他們開枝散葉，可以嗎？"],["曾主任委員智勇：好，我們馬上來提供。"],["張委員智倫：謝謝。"],["曾主任委員智勇：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝張智倫委員的質詢。","下一位我們請王美惠委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":120,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-15-21","speakers":["牛煦庭","盧縣一","張智倫","王美惠","麥玉珍","張宏陸","黃捷","蘇巧慧","李柏毅","高金素梅","許宇甄","徐欣瑩","鄭天財Sra 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