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00:02:56,956\n當然一定要改變啊要不然怎麼來但是說你改變但是你要追究你要怎麼樣去把這個就是不能這樣子說就整個這件事情就放棄了啊我們內部要檢討要有做一些懲處啊要處理啊\n\n9\n00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:20,268\n所以要怎麼去追回或者怎麼樣去做吧不只是說我們未來你講的我們認同我們也接受說你有新的作為希望大家就不要放但是我們整個審核或者是說他這樣子的話就這樣崩潰了這樣大家就不會去這樣嗎不會啦所以你會去追究會去看說如何去處理讓大家看到的是說我們現任的主委\n\n10\n00:03:33,114 --> 00:03:50,129\n真的是有在做事情但是我們當初這樣子的專康我們的原住民主政策法規收集整理辦理原住民的族人口的基礎資料庫\n\n11\n00:03:51,750 --> 00:04:05,572\n的規劃及建設的研究項目挪用來所以凍結時說明要求人民會要提出具體的計畫但是我看到報告裡面\n\n12\n00:04:06,954 --> 00:04:11,217\n就是沒有這樣子的內容成效啊所以我們看過送來的報告沒有啊你不能只是說我們檢討過去未來但是的內容我們真的沒有看到報告裡面在從就是說112年至113年整合原住民\n\n13\n00:04:27,909 --> 00:04:52,358\n主人口基礎的資料庫持續執行中研究如何應用都市原住民主的發展也就是說這個並不是一個全新的計畫進行整個就是一年的整合我們再審議算到現在所以具體的計畫內容又如何\n\n14\n00:04:54,212 --> 00:05:20,663\n它是如此進度又如何效果又如何因為報告中我們沒有看到啊所以你說說的人工你做了沒拿好就算了所以我們就是要你們報告就是要有一個完整成果因為你要設立目標你才能去執行才能完成這個目標但是完全我們沒有看到沒有看到的話你要做什麼我也不知道\n\n15\n00:05:22,564 --> 00:05:32,372\n那你就講的內容也不清不楚但是我們就是進行一年了一年多的整合這樣看不好過啊那是不是我那個處長做簡要的說明好不好好\n\n16\n00:05:38,530 --> 00:06:01,261\n好跟委員報告那這部分我們原本與這個中研院合作的這個資料庫後來因為我們後來有推動這個原住民族智慧治理計畫我們是把這個資料庫的內容都納入到我們的智慧治理計畫裡面去做後續的應用所以目前我們這個都督研的一些基礎資料的內容都可以在我們的這個智慧治理的資料庫裡面去去做做應用\n\n17\n00:06:02,331 --> 00:06:28,529\n好講得好講得好我再跟你講你講的是生化原住民治理智慧治理計劃解凍案你說放在這裡14年編類的預算新增了生化原住民組織智慧治理計劃但是在之前就有一個就是我們在在這個依據預算\n\n18\n00:06:32,202 --> 00:06:38,766\n法的第五條的規定這四年就是四年期繼續經費該要的計劃內容剛才你說的但是呢的配額但是呢我們這筆的預算呢有合理性還有說預期的時程還有說難以追追蹤的計劃的概念但是呢在我們看喔你看喔我們的在建構援助民主\n\n19\n00:07:01,243 --> 00:07:04,505\n智慧治理中長期計劃同樣的啦我真的要檢舉幾個例子中長程\n\n20\n00:07:12,011 --> 00:07:15,632\n所以我们的内容差异非常笼统就是短短就是陈述主委你看这笔议算是高达5328万但是你们提出的报告写不满一张A4一面的A4不是一张一面的A4都不满就5328万\n\n21\n00:07:39,952 --> 00:07:52,920\n所以呢就多了三個字多了三個字所以呢是實際上的工作內容建構研究民主智慧治理計畫只是\n\n22\n00:07:54,042 --> 00:07:57,985\n換湯不換藥所以這樣子的話你們就寫的是說優化加強優化什麼加強什麼完全沒有所以我們相信不只原住民的朋友不接受我們全國納稅前的國民也沒辦法接受你們這樣子的去\n\n23\n00:08:19,341 --> 00:08:27,729\n這個預算的分配這樣子的效果在哪裡看我們主委說明還是我們的你講的嘛你要說放在這裡放在這裡就打臉了\n\n24\n00:08:38,962 --> 00:08:57,764\n對這個部分因為我們現在其實是第一期計畫是2010年到2013年就結束那我們現在2014年執行的是第二期計畫那第二期計畫除了就是我們會持續再去收集就是更廣泛的收集這個原住民族相關的散落在各部會跟地方政府的一些資料之外\n\n25\n00:08:58,445 --> 00:09:09,112\n那另外我們也會運用一些新的資訊技術去重新去盤整這些資料然後讓他可以去支援我們的整個決策所以我們第二期會加上深化這個詞的用意是這樣子的\n\n26\n00:09:12,213 --> 00:09:16,496\n深化優化加強那個詞大家都要說但是內容是什麼我們看不到我們也要說講這計畫每個人都會講但是內容內容是我們要看的我們想要的是說你的執行是真的達到這個目標達到這個目標才是我們最重要的好接下來我再問一下就是說我們\n\n27\n00:09:39,392 --> 00:10:07,523\n语推人员的不足的部分语言留存援助民主文化非常重要的一环我们都很认同加上现在政府也推各国的语言我们都很感觉很骄傲这个就是我们一定要保存的但是在我们设置足以推动人员实施计划编列了1亿500万这笔预算去年相比就增加了300万\n\n28\n00:10:08,763 --> 00:10:23,930\n但我們提醒主委預算編列固然很重要語言推廣我們都很認同但是實際行政才是人才的行政人才是我們的關鍵因為實際上全國到去年8月底我們金融人員還不足超過30人甚至四個縣市四個縣市沒有足以推動人員依據我們的\n\n29\n00:10:39,498 --> 00:11:07,652\n設置辦法除了直轄市各個縣市還有原住民人口要達到一千五百萬五百人一千五百人非原住民族的地區在在次公所多應用所以現在呢我們看到的是一百二十三人民還有多少契額因為這個是我們看的是去年的\n\n30\n00:11:08,223 --> 00:11:13,008\n的數據所以我現在今年我們沒有看到所以說明一下為什麼呢我們的縣市怎麼樣去補足這個資料庫或者是說我們應用如何因為我們是來提出問題解決問題所以我們希望說要給我們一個答覆\n\n31\n00:11:28,988 --> 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現在只有\n737685\t761058\t就缺了30個人像我們的傳承的語言就就很對不對我們要怎麼樣去說以推人員都不足的話我們希望我們希望就是我們要推廣還有保存非常重要我們希望支持也肯定這個計畫所以我們希望我們的主委還有我們認識的之前在台中的我們的\n763388\t792728\t希望就是真的要監督要各個縣市我們要以推人員要補足讓我們的語言還有文化真正的讓我們全國看到也讓我們的語言去到哪裡我們那傳承很重要的希望主委你有真正的作為不能只說我補足補足你怎麼做這個部分我們希望你要有一個具體的因為我們看到所有的計畫內容都不具體只是一句話\n793488\t807211\t就會解決任何的事情我們沒辦法接受啦好謝謝因為時間的關係希望你真正的有讓你回答你也誰答不出來所以我們希望你也有具體的給我們讓有一個依據你有一個依據有一個目標你就往這個預計目標去執行這樣你管理你要叫人做到有好處啦謝謝好我們謝謝麥玉珍委員\n","txt":"謝主席 有請主委主委有請主委好 主委好 你要喝茶嗎沒關係 沒關係好 要請教主委我們前主委 花了145萬的\n我們國家的費用 人民的血汗錢出版出版一個就是\n專刊一共125頁有41頁是就是講自己講自己41頁60頁就是主委各地的照片還有只有24頁是在介紹延民會主委你在去年被選的時候也承諾說要\n檢討改進但是目前檢討改進的是什麼去年你有說未來不會再發生但是我們請教一下我們的內部是否針對這個專刊內容審核流程進行的如何\n針對裡面的一個就是主委說你有無任何的追究的作為或者還是說目前我們的主委在已經下台了整個事件就是不了了之嗎這個三個問題我要希望你謹慎的回答好 不能跟我們我們委員會這樣互相這樣他聽不下去聽到會氣起來沒有\n跟委員報告 第一個就是說這個我們在昨天已經收到省紀部的一些對我們的指證那我想我們會依據省紀部的一些這個規定我們來做一些回應那而後就是說像類似這樣譬如說沒有在辦理這樣的一個項目的時候我們就不要再繼續編下去了就不要再編下去了\n第二个那这样的一个专刊我们内部有特别的检讨我们不允许在这样的这个状况在发生我们可以可以做一些就是说我们的所有执行的成果的一个报告但是不需要对个人太多的这个这个先养自己个人的一个这个就是整个他的成果我们想我们会做很大的一个改变那今年就没有做像去年就没有我们就没有做已经改变了\n當然一定要改變啊 要不然怎麼來但是說你改變但是你要追究你要怎麼樣去把這個就是不能這樣子說就整個這件事情就放棄了啊我們內部要檢討要有做一些懲處啊要處理啊\n所以要怎麼去追回或者怎麼樣去做吧不只是說我們未來你講的我們認同我們也接受說你有新的作為希望大家就不要放但是我們整個審核或者是說他這樣子的話就這樣崩潰了這樣大家就不會去這樣嗎不會啦所以你會去追究會去看說如何去處理讓大家看到的是說我們現任的主委\n真的是有在做事情但是我們當初這樣子的專康我們的原住民主政策法規收集整理辦理原住民的族人口的基礎資料庫\n的規劃及建設的研究項目挪用來所以凍結時說明要求人民會要提出具體的計畫但是我看到報告裡面\n就是沒有這樣子的內容成效啊所以我們看過送來的報告沒有啊你不能只是說我們檢討過去未來但是的內容我們真的沒有看到報告裡面在從就是說112年至113年整合原住民\n主人口基礎的資料庫持續執行中研究如何應用都市原住民主的發展也就是說這個並不是一個全新的計畫進行整個就是一年的整合我們再審議算到現在所以具體的計畫內容又如何\n它是如此進度又如何 效果又如何因為報告中我們沒有看到啊所以你說說的 人工你做了沒拿好就算了所以我們就是要你們報告就是要有一個完整成果因為你要設立目標你才能去執行 才能完成這個目標但是完全我們沒有看到沒有看到的話 你要做什麼 我也不知道\n那你就講的內容也不清不楚但是我們就是進行一年了一年多的整合這樣看不好過啊那是不是我那個處長做簡要的說明好不好好\n好跟委員報告那這部分我們原本與這個中研院合作的這個資料庫後來因為我們後來有推動這個原住民族智慧治理計畫我們是把這個資料庫的內容都納入到我們的智慧治理計畫裡面去做後續的應用所以目前我們這個都督研的一些基礎資料的內容都可以在我們的這個智慧治理的資料庫裡面去去做做應用\n好講得好講得好我再跟你講你講的是生化原住民治理智慧治理計劃解凍案你說放在這裡14年編類的預算新增了生化原住民組織智慧治理計劃但是在之前就有一個就是我們在在這個依據預算\n法的第五條的規定這四年就是四年期繼續經費該要的計劃內容剛才你說的但是呢的配額但是呢我們這筆的預算呢有合理性還有說預期的時程還有說難以追追蹤的計劃的概念但是呢在我們看喔你看喔我們的在建構援助民主\n智慧治理中長期計劃同樣的啦我真的要檢舉幾個例子中長程\n所以我们的内容差异非常笼统就是短短就是陈述主委你看这笔议算是高达5328万但是你们提出的报告写不满一张A4一面的A4不是一张一面的A4都不满就5328万\n所以呢就多了三個字多了三個字所以呢是實際上的工作內容建構研究民主智慧治理計畫只是\n換湯不換藥 所以這樣子的話你們就寫的是說優化加強 優化什麼 加強什麼 完全沒有所以我們相信不只原住民的朋友不接受 我們全國納稅前的國民也沒辦法接受你們這樣子的去\n這個預算的分配這樣子的效果在哪裡看我們主委說明還是我們的你講的嘛 你要說放在這裡 放在這裡就打臉了\n對 這個部分 因為我們現在其實是 第一期計畫是2010年到2013年就結束那我們現在2014年執行的是第二期計畫那第二期計畫除了就是我們會持續再去收集就是更廣泛的收集這個原住民族相關的散落在各部會跟地方政府的一些資料之外\n那另外我們也會運用一些新的資訊技術去重新去盤整這些資料然後讓他可以去支援我們的整個決策所以我們第二期會加上深化這個詞的用意是這樣子的\n深化 優化 加強那個詞大家都要說但是內容是什麼我們看不到我們也要說講這計畫每個人都會講但是內容內容是我們要看的我們想要的是說你的執行是真的達到這個目標達到這個目標才是我們最重要的好 接下來我再問一下就是說我們\n语推人员的不足的部分语言留存援助民主文化非常重要的一环我们都很认同加上现在政府也推各国的语言我们都很感觉很骄傲这个就是我们一定要保存的但是在我们设置足以推动人员实施计划编列了1亿500万这笔预算去年相比就增加了300万\n但我們提醒主委預算編列固然很重要語言推廣我們都很認同但是實際行政才是人才的行政人才是我們的關鍵因為實際上全國到去年8月底我們金融人員還不足超過30人甚至四個縣市四個縣市沒有足以推動人員依據我們的\n設置辦法除了直轄市各個縣市還有原住民人口要達到一千五百萬五百人一千五百人非原住民族的地區在在次公所多應用所以現在呢我們看到的是一百二十三人民還有多少契額因為這個是我們看的是去年的\n的數據所以我現在今年我們沒有看到所以說明一下為什麼呢我們的縣市怎麼樣去補足這個資料庫或者是說我們應用如何因為我們是來提出問題解決問題所以我們希望說要給我們一個答覆\n因為根委員報告這個足以專採的人力我們是跟大寫合作來培訓信用合一來增加就業那自己剛剛所講的還有一些事還沒有足以老師的話我想我們會盡快來檢討讓這些沒有足以老師的我們盡快來補好不好\n怎麼做啊 經開補我怎麼說啊你怎麼樣 就是因為我們感覺就是我們要如何讓我們的就是各個縣市我們順利啊 順利通過這樣的資料庫補足這個人員因為我們傳承我們很重要 因為我們各組的語言嘛各組的語言我們都不足 現在只有\n就缺了30個人像我們的傳承的語言就就很對不對我們要怎麼樣去說以推人員都不足的話我們希望我們希望就是我們要推廣還有保存非常重要我們希望支持也肯定這個計畫所以我們希望我們的主委還有我們認識的之前在台中的我們的\n希望就是真的要監督要各個縣市我們要以推人員要補足讓我們的語言還有文化真正的讓我們全國看到也讓我們的語言去到哪裡我們那傳承很重要的希望主委你有真正的作為不能只說我補足補足你怎麼做這個部分我們希望你要有一個具體的因為我們看到所有的計畫內容都不具體只是一句話\n就會解決任何的事情我們沒辦法接受啦好謝謝因為時間的關係希望你真正的有讓你回答你也誰答不出來所以我們希望你也有具體的給我們讓有一個依據你有一個依據有一個目標你就往這個預計目標去執行這樣你管理你要叫人做到有好處啦謝謝好我們謝謝麥玉珍委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.994 --> 00:08.896\n謝主席有請主委主委有請主委好主委好你要喝茶嗎沒關係沒關係好要請教主委我們前主委花了145萬的\n\n00:32.864 --> 00:36.273\n我們國家的費用人民的血汗錢出版出版一個就是\n\n00:40.721 --> 00:48.127\n專刊一共125頁有41頁是就是講自己講自己41頁60頁就是主委各地的照片還有只有24頁是在介紹延民會主委你在去年被選的時候也承諾說要\n\n01:05.040 --> 01:08.042\n檢討改進但是目前檢討改進的是什麼去年你有說未來不會再發生但是我們請教一下我們的內部是否針對這個專刊內容審核流程進行的如何\n\n01:23.558 --> 01:27.179\n針對裡面的一個就是主委說你有無任何的追究的作為或者還是說目前我們的主委在已經下台了整個事件就是不了了之嗎這個三個問題我要希望你謹慎的回答好不能跟我們我們委員會這樣互相這樣他聽不下去聽到會氣起來沒有\n\n01:51.808 --> 02:15.809\n跟委員報告第一個就是說這個我們在昨天已經收到省紀部的一些對我們的指證那我想我們會依據省紀部的一些這個規定我們來做一些回應那而後就是說像類似這樣譬如說沒有在辦理這樣的一個項目的時候我們就不要再繼續編下去了就不要再編下去了\n\n02:16.149 --> 02:43.429\n第二个那这样的一个专刊我们内部有特别的检讨我们不允许在这样的这个状况在发生我们可以可以做一些就是说我们的所有执行的成果的一个报告但是不需要对个人太多的这个这个先养自己个人的一个这个就是整个他的成果我们想我们会做很大的一个改变那今年就没有做像去年就没有我们就没有做已经改变了\n\n02:46.665 --> 02:56.956\n當然一定要改變啊要不然怎麼來但是說你改變但是你要追究你要怎麼樣去把這個就是不能這樣子說就整個這件事情就放棄了啊我們內部要檢討要有做一些懲處啊要處理啊\n\n03:05.280 --> 03:20.268\n所以要怎麼去追回或者怎麼樣去做吧不只是說我們未來你講的我們認同我們也接受說你有新的作為希望大家就不要放但是我們整個審核或者是說他這樣子的話就這樣崩潰了這樣大家就不會去這樣嗎不會啦所以你會去追究會去看說如何去處理讓大家看到的是說我們現任的主委\n\n03:33.114 --> 03:50.129\n真的是有在做事情但是我們當初這樣子的專康我們的原住民主政策法規收集整理辦理原住民的族人口的基礎資料庫\n\n03:51.750 --> 04:05.572\n的規劃及建設的研究項目挪用來所以凍結時說明要求人民會要提出具體的計畫但是我看到報告裡面\n\n04:06.954 --> 04:11.217\n就是沒有這樣子的內容成效啊所以我們看過送來的報告沒有啊你不能只是說我們檢討過去未來但是的內容我們真的沒有看到報告裡面在從就是說112年至113年整合原住民\n\n04:27.909 --> 04:52.358\n主人口基礎的資料庫持續執行中研究如何應用都市原住民主的發展也就是說這個並不是一個全新的計畫進行整個就是一年的整合我們再審議算到現在所以具體的計畫內容又如何\n\n04:54.212 --> 05:20.663\n它是如此進度又如何效果又如何因為報告中我們沒有看到啊所以你說說的人工你做了沒拿好就算了所以我們就是要你們報告就是要有一個完整成果因為你要設立目標你才能去執行才能完成這個目標但是完全我們沒有看到沒有看到的話你要做什麼我也不知道\n\n05:22.564 --> 05:32.372\n那你就講的內容也不清不楚但是我們就是進行一年了一年多的整合這樣看不好過啊那是不是我那個處長做簡要的說明好不好好\n\n05:38.530 --> 06:01.261\n好跟委員報告那這部分我們原本與這個中研院合作的這個資料庫後來因為我們後來有推動這個原住民族智慧治理計畫我們是把這個資料庫的內容都納入到我們的智慧治理計畫裡面去做後續的應用所以目前我們這個都督研的一些基礎資料的內容都可以在我們的這個智慧治理的資料庫裡面去去做做應用\n\n06:02.331 --> 06:28.529\n好講得好講得好我再跟你講你講的是生化原住民治理智慧治理計劃解凍案你說放在這裡14年編類的預算新增了生化原住民組織智慧治理計劃但是在之前就有一個就是我們在在這個依據預算\n\n06:32.202 --> 06:38.766\n法的第五條的規定這四年就是四年期繼續經費該要的計劃內容剛才你說的但是呢的配額但是呢我們這筆的預算呢有合理性還有說預期的時程還有說難以追追蹤的計劃的概念但是呢在我們看喔你看喔我們的在建構援助民主\n\n07:01.243 --> 07:04.505\n智慧治理中長期計劃同樣的啦我真的要檢舉幾個例子中長程\n\n07:12.011 --> 07:15.632\n所以我们的内容差异非常笼统就是短短就是陈述主委你看这笔议算是高达5328万但是你们提出的报告写不满一张A4一面的A4不是一张一面的A4都不满就5328万\n\n07:39.952 --> 07:52.920\n所以呢就多了三個字多了三個字所以呢是實際上的工作內容建構研究民主智慧治理計畫只是\n\n07:54.042 --> 07:57.985\n換湯不換藥所以這樣子的話你們就寫的是說優化加強優化什麼加強什麼完全沒有所以我們相信不只原住民的朋友不接受我們全國納稅前的國民也沒辦法接受你們這樣子的去\n\n08:19.341 --> 08:27.729\n這個預算的分配這樣子的效果在哪裡看我們主委說明還是我們的你講的嘛你要說放在這裡放在這裡就打臉了\n\n08:38.962 --> 08:57.764\n對這個部分因為我們現在其實是第一期計畫是2010年到2013年就結束那我們現在2014年執行的是第二期計畫那第二期計畫除了就是我們會持續再去收集就是更廣泛的收集這個原住民族相關的散落在各部會跟地方政府的一些資料之外\n\n08:58.445 --> 09:09.112\n那另外我們也會運用一些新的資訊技術去重新去盤整這些資料然後讓他可以去支援我們的整個決策所以我們第二期會加上深化這個詞的用意是這樣子的\n\n09:12.213 --> 09:16.496\n深化優化加強那個詞大家都要說但是內容是什麼我們看不到我們也要說講這計畫每個人都會講但是內容內容是我們要看的我們想要的是說你的執行是真的達到這個目標達到這個目標才是我們最重要的好接下來我再問一下就是說我們\n\n09:39.392 --> 10:07.523\n语推人员的不足的部分语言留存援助民主文化非常重要的一环我们都很认同加上现在政府也推各国的语言我们都很感觉很骄傲这个就是我们一定要保存的但是在我们设置足以推动人员实施计划编列了1亿500万这笔预算去年相比就增加了300万\n\n10:08.763 --> 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