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00:02:12,796\n我當然知道啦他要去登記才可以取得啦但以我們現在的手頭上的有資格的接近百萬啦到底確實多少我們也無從得知啦我要請教主委的是那你原民會你忽然在未來不要說忽然在未來的幾年內啦\n\n7\n00:02:14,059 --> 00:02:25,321\n我相信啦應該幾十萬人去登記應該會有吧你們的預估勒對應該會相當於現在的原住民好那你所有的喔\n\n8\n00:02:26,221 --> 00:02:47,050\n原住民身份,在台灣具有原住民身份的人喔我們就不要說九十幾萬啦,快一百萬全部登記啦一半人去登記就好了啦你的業務量幾乎要增加一倍是對啊你的業務量增加,我剛剛請教你是說這些我們有沒有去準備要做什麼\n\n9\n00:02:48,410 --> 00:03:14,405\n不然你多了一倍的人要服務喔那你的原民會的人員夠嗎那你的經費夠嗎我覺得這個可能是原民會成立以來這麼多年來成立以來第一次遇到人數暴增將近一倍那你的業務量有可能會增加一倍喔\n\n10\n00:03:15,410 --> 00:03:29,560\n那我們有沒有及早去因應我簡單說就好了光他去登記然後去認證身份從地方政府到你為什麼這些你就要花多少人力\n\n11\n00:03:31,820 --> 00:03:59,870\n對這個我跟委員報告那個整個原住民的人力增加我想我們也已經在盤點我們手頭上的一些資源當然這個資源一定是要再加的那馬上要做的就是要馬上一開始他們一登記我們馬上再做甚至於現在已經有的在做了就是就他們的語言還有文化這個部分是第一要做的就是語言跟文化的部分我們持續要趕快的來協助他們\n\n12\n00:04:00,510 --> 00:04:17,361\n那至於就是說未來在這個人力上還有未來支援的這個藝術上我想我們一定會跟業靈妹來做報告我們也要想死的來盤查他們陸續會碰到不管是醫療啦不管是就業啦不管是社會福利等等我們都會盤點出來\n\n13\n00:04:20,418 --> 00:04:45,847\n我必須要說啦我們當初整個園民會設計的初衷跟架構其實是沒有平埔族原住民這一塊喔這個是一個相當大的轉變喔那你的服務的內容等等的這其實是從園民會成立以來這一個是非常非常巨大的轉變喔這個\n\n14\n00:04:48,274 --> 00:05:07,550\n也不是說立法院要怎麼樣喔我會覺得是說這個是我們原民會要真的要去及早應應去處理這些事剛剛主委你所說的他們的文化園那個要去重視要去保留那是一件事情那是原民會我說真的啦\n\n15\n00:05:09,290 --> 00:05:32,988\n這些事啊如果平埔族原住民啊他今天沒有有取得原住民的身份我們也要去做這件事而不是說他取得才做我們本來就要做了我現在可以預計的是你未來你龐大的服務量啊還有我平埔族我已經取得原住民的身份了對不對那我本身\n\n16\n00:05:34,090 --> 00:06:00,772\n我到底可以享有哪些原住民的這個他種種的法律上的他到底是有些他可以適用有些他可以不適用我相信很多你每天接到這個電話你的原民會就會封掉這一點我不知道我就舉這個這一點那主委我們要如何因應我跟委員報告他們取得原住民的身分之後\n\n17\n00:06:02,013 --> 00:06:10,117\n我想他們的這個潛力義務一定有優先的這個排戲我們也會跟他們做溝通做協調\n\n18\n00:06:11,297 --> 00:06:36,256\n那在憲判的精神是未來的三年我們會另立專法就是為我們的平埔族的族人量身打造要怎麼樣來這個對他們的權益我們還有我們有另立還是要另立一些專法來因為原住民目前適用的法律不盡然也不當然絕對就可以適用我們現在的平埔族的族人這就是我要請教主委的\n\n19\n00:06:41,337 --> 00:07:03,072\n所以另立專法是我們現在的選項嘛對不對那另立專法其實到時候我們會有很多很多的事情要討論喔不是你的專法一來大家就哇都照你的喔我相信每個人意見都不一樣喔所以你在這個另立專法\n\n20\n00:07:03,672 --> 00:07:27,387\n你不能期限到的時候你才來這個可能要有很多的社會共識很多什麼因為另立專法就會有他的權利跟義務跟他很多的東西會發生了然後跟既有的原住民族不管基本法或什麼的很多的法令也可能會有衝突的地方喔所以像這個我不知道專法的進度到哪了開始了沒\n\n21\n00:07:30,151 --> 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這個我跟委員報告那個整個原住民的人力增加我想我們也已經在盤點我們手頭上的一些資源當然這個資源一定是要再加的那馬上要做的就是要馬上一開始他們一登記我們馬上再做甚至於現在已經有的在做了就是就他們的語言還有文化這個部分是第一要做的就是語言跟文化的部分我們持續要趕快的來協助他們\n240510\t257361\t那至於就是說未來在這個人力上還有未來支援的這個藝術上我想我們一定會跟業靈妹來做報告我們也要想死的來盤查他們陸續會碰到不管是醫療啦不管是就業啦不管是社會福利等等我們都會盤點出來\n260418\t285847\t我必須要說啦我們當初整個園民會設計的初衷跟架構其實是沒有平埔族原住民這一塊喔這個是一個相當大的轉變喔那你的服務的內容等等的這其實是從園民會成立以來這一個是非常非常巨大的轉變喔這個\n288274\t307550\t也不是說立法院要怎麼樣喔我會覺得是說這個是我們原民會要真的要去及早應應去處理這些事剛剛主委你所說的他們的文化園那個要去重視要去保留那是一件事情那是原民會我說真的啦\n309290\t332988\t這些事啊如果平埔族原住民啊他今天沒有有取得原住民的身份我們也要去做這件事而不是說他取得才做我們本來就要做了我現在可以預計的是你未來你龐大的服務量啊還有我平埔族我已經取得原住民的身份了對不對那我本身\n334090\t360772\t我到底可以享有哪些原住民的這個他種種的法律上的他到底是有些他可以適用有些他可以不適用我相信很多你每天接到這個電話你的原民會就會封掉這一點我不知道我就舉這個這一點那主委我們要如何因應我跟委員報告他們取得原住民的身分之後\n362013\t370117\t我想他們的這個潛力義務一定有優先的這個排戲我們也會跟他們做溝通做協調\n371297\t396256\t那在憲判的精神是未來的三年我們會另立專法就是為我們的平埔族的族人量身打造要怎麼樣來這個對他們的權益我們還有我們有另立還是要另立一些專法來因為原住民目前適用的法律不盡然也不當然絕對就可以適用我們現在的平埔族的族人這就是我要請教主委的\n401337\t423072\t所以另立專法是我們現在的選項嘛對不對那另立專法其實到時候我們會有很多很多的事情要討論喔不是你的專法一來大家就哇都照你的喔我相信每個人意見都不一樣喔所以你在這個另立專法\n423672\t447387\t你不能期限到的時候你才來這個可能要有很多的社會共識很多什麼因為另立專法就會有他的權利跟義務跟他很多的東西會發生了然後跟既有的原住民族不管基本法或什麼的很多的法令也可能會有衝突的地方喔所以像這個我不知道專法的進度到哪了開始了沒\n450151\t471569\t我們現在就是說因為現在是先趕快讓他們取得這個身份那之後我們馬上就會在年底之後年底之前我們就開始現在已經在跟我們的平埔族群的一些專家寫著我們先跟他們來做情誼就希望未來我們有一些什麼樣的話\n473993\t495291\t還有我們也會做一些社會狀況的調查不是啦主委我剛請教你的意思說你要另立專法我不反對嘛你們開始啟動立法了沒因為這個很複雜喔你不要以為好像有幾年的時間喔很多問題基本的觀念可能沒有辦法解決喔你這個法令的名稱到底要叫什麼\n497028\t512254\t要叫積分法還是什麼法其實這個可能大家就會吵了對不對因為這個相關關係了很多的權利義務我是提醒主委說這一個是你原民會成立以來\n513752\t536770\t第一次很大的一個變革,很大的不一樣然後你要忽略人數又那麼多,還有相關法令的這個是非常複雜的,如果你不及早因應我很擔心,到時候會一團亂那一團亂的情況之下,本來一個美意又變成了大家爭吵的一個焦點所以我覺得你們應該要成立\n538328\t556756\t一個小組然後甚至跨部會因為這也牽扯到其他部會的事情不是只有你們園民會喔對不對對現在就要開始密集開會討論開始炒你了開始做了啦不然你一定會來不及啦是好蛤好喔好好謝謝謝謝謝謝謝謝張宏祿召委的資訊\n","txt":"我們請曾主委曾主委有請委員好這個主委我想請教一下我們平埔族的身份修法期限已經快到了不知道我們做的準備如何\n不知道我們做的準備如何了在5月15號我們宴會已經通過那現在也已經送大宴送到宴裡面來我們希望很快的能夠排這個議程我們趕快來審讓我們的平埔原住民身分的族人早一點取得這個原住民的身分除了這個之外這個是法律上的嘛這個法律上的這個\n已經大家都知道了幾年了嘛這個只是完成最後的程序而已啦我所請教的是那平埔族取得原住民的身份他的人數非常多耶是他的人數如果我沒有記錯的話他的人數應該比現行的我們平原加山原的人數還多喔\n按照內政部的統計至少98萬人那現在山地原住民跟平地原住民才61萬人但是還是要跟委員報告這個就是說先原住民就是原住民族的這個認定之後再升分來再起的原住民的升分那最後會登記多少人\n還不知道會登記多少人但是我們可以預判在今年底大概也會有10萬人來登記\n我當然知道啦 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這個我跟委員報告那個整個原住民的人力增加我想我們也已經在盤點我們手頭上的一些資源當然這個資源一定是要再加的那馬上要做的就是要馬上一開始他們一登記我們馬上再做甚至於現在已經有的在做了就是就他們的語言還有文化這個部分是第一要做的就是語言跟文化的部分我們持續要趕快的來協助他們\n那至於就是說未來在這個人力上還有未來支援的這個藝術上我想我們一定會跟業靈妹來做報告我們也要想死的來盤查他們陸續會碰到不管是醫療啦不管是就業啦不管是社會福利等等我們都會盤點出來\n我必須要說啦我們當初整個園民會設計的初衷跟架構其實是沒有平埔族原住民這一塊喔這個是一個相當大的轉變喔那你的服務的內容等等的這其實是從園民會成立以來這一個是非常非常巨大的轉變喔這個\n也不是說立法院要怎麼樣喔我會覺得是說這個是我們原民會要真的要去及早應應去處理這些事剛剛主委你所說的他們的文化園那個要去重視要去保留那是一件事情那是原民會我說真的啦\n這些事啊如果平埔族原住民啊他今天沒有有取得原住民的身份我們也要去做這件事而不是說他取得才做我們本來就要做了我現在可以預計的是你未來你龐大的服務量啊還有我平埔族我已經取得原住民的身份了對不對那我本身\n我到底可以享有哪些原住民的這個他種種的法律上的他到底是有些他可以適用有些他可以不適用我相信很多你每天接到這個電話你的原民會就會封掉這一點我不知道我就舉這個這一點那主委我們要如何因應我跟委員報告他們取得原住民的身分之後\n我想他們的這個潛力義務一定有優先的這個排戲我們也會跟他們做溝通做協調\n那在憲判的精神是未來的三年我們會另立專法就是為我們的平埔族的族人量身打造要怎麼樣來這個對他們的權益我們還有我們有另立還是要另立一些專法來因為原住民目前適用的法律不盡然也不當然絕對就可以適用我們現在的平埔族的族人這就是我要請教主委的\n所以另立專法是我們現在的選項嘛對不對那另立專法其實到時候我們會有很多很多的事情要討論喔不是你的專法一來大家就哇都照你的喔我相信每個人意見都不一樣喔所以你在這個另立專法\n你不能期限到的時候你才來這個可能要有很多的社會共識很多什麼因為另立專法就會有他的權利跟義務跟他很多的東西會發生了然後跟既有的原住民族不管基本法或什麼的很多的法令也可能會有衝突的地方喔所以像這個我不知道專法的進度到哪了開始了沒\n我們現在就是說因為現在是先趕快讓他們取得這個身份那之後我們馬上就會在年底之後年底之前我們就開始現在已經在跟我們的平埔族群的一些專家寫著我們先跟他們來做情誼就希望未來我們有一些什麼樣的話\n還有我們也會做一些社會狀況的調查不是啦主委我剛請教你的意思說你要另立專法我不反對嘛你們開始啟動立法了沒因為這個很複雜喔你不要以為好像有幾年的時間喔很多問題基本的觀念可能沒有辦法解決喔你這個法令的名稱到底要叫什麼\n要叫積分法還是什麼法其實這個可能大家就會吵了對不對因為這個相關關係了很多的權利義務我是提醒主委說這一個是你原民會成立以來\n第一次很大的一個變革,很大的不一樣然後你要忽略人數又那麼多,還有相關法令的這個是非常複雜的,如果你不及早因應我很擔心,到時候會一團亂那一團亂的情況之下,本來一個美意又變成了大家爭吵的一個焦點所以我覺得你們應該要成立\n一個小組然後甚至跨部會因為這也牽扯到其他部會的事情不是只有你們園民會喔對不對對現在就要開始密集開會討論開始炒你了開始做了啦不然你一定會來不及啦是好蛤好喔好好謝謝謝謝謝謝謝謝張宏祿召委的資訊\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.709 --> 00:27.374\n我們請曾主委曾主委有請委員好這個主委我想請教一下我們平埔族的身份修法期限已經快到了不知道我們做的準備如何\n\n00:28.732 --> 00:53.526\n不知道我們做的準備如何了在5月15號我們宴會已經通過那現在也已經送大宴送到宴裡面來我們希望很快的能夠排這個議程我們趕快來審讓我們的平埔原住民身分的族人早一點取得這個原住民的身分除了這個之外這個是法律上的嘛這個法律上的這個\n\n00:54.912 --> 01:17.181\n已經大家都知道了幾年了嘛這個只是完成最後的程序而已啦我所請教的是那平埔族取得原住民的身份他的人數非常多耶是他的人數如果我沒有記錯的話他的人數應該比現行的我們平原加山原的人數還多喔\n\n01:19.301 --> 01:38.191\n按照內政部的統計至少98萬人那現在山地原住民跟平地原住民才61萬人但是還是要跟委員報告這個就是說先原住民就是原住民族的這個認定之後再升分來再起的原住民的升分那最後會登記多少人\n\n01:40.894 --> 01:45.282\n還不知道會登記多少人但是我們可以預判在今年底大概也會有10萬人來登記\n\n01:49.714 --> 02:12.796\n我當然知道啦他要去登記才可以取得啦但以我們現在的手頭上的有資格的接近百萬啦到底確實多少我們也無從得知啦我要請教主委的是那你原民會你忽然在未來不要說忽然在未來的幾年內啦\n\n02:14.059 --> 02:25.321\n我相信啦應該幾十萬人去登記應該會有吧你們的預估勒對應該會相當於現在的原住民好那你所有的喔\n\n02:26.221 --> 02:47.050\n原住民身份,在台灣具有原住民身份的人喔我們就不要說九十幾萬啦,快一百萬全部登記啦一半人去登記就好了啦你的業務量幾乎要增加一倍是對啊你的業務量增加,我剛剛請教你是說這些我們有沒有去準備要做什麼\n\n02:48.410 --> 03:14.405\n不然你多了一倍的人要服務喔那你的原民會的人員夠嗎那你的經費夠嗎我覺得這個可能是原民會成立以來這麼多年來成立以來第一次遇到人數暴增將近一倍那你的業務量有可能會增加一倍喔\n\n03:15.410 --> 03:29.560\n那我們有沒有及早去因應我簡單說就好了光他去登記然後去認證身份從地方政府到你為什麼這些你就要花多少人力\n\n03:31.820 --> 03:59.870\n對這個我跟委員報告那個整個原住民的人力增加我想我們也已經在盤點我們手頭上的一些資源當然這個資源一定是要再加的那馬上要做的就是要馬上一開始他們一登記我們馬上再做甚至於現在已經有的在做了就是就他們的語言還有文化這個部分是第一要做的就是語言跟文化的部分我們持續要趕快的來協助他們\n\n04:00.510 --> 04:17.361\n那至於就是說未來在這個人力上還有未來支援的這個藝術上我想我們一定會跟業靈妹來做報告我們也要想死的來盤查他們陸續會碰到不管是醫療啦不管是就業啦不管是社會福利等等我們都會盤點出來\n\n04:20.418 --> 04:45.847\n我必須要說啦我們當初整個園民會設計的初衷跟架構其實是沒有平埔族原住民這一塊喔這個是一個相當大的轉變喔那你的服務的內容等等的這其實是從園民會成立以來這一個是非常非常巨大的轉變喔這個\n\n04:48.274 --> 05:07.550\n也不是說立法院要怎麼樣喔我會覺得是說這個是我們原民會要真的要去及早應應去處理這些事剛剛主委你所說的他們的文化園那個要去重視要去保留那是一件事情那是原民會我說真的啦\n\n05:09.290 --> 05:32.988\n這些事啊如果平埔族原住民啊他今天沒有有取得原住民的身份我們也要去做這件事而不是說他取得才做我們本來就要做了我現在可以預計的是你未來你龐大的服務量啊還有我平埔族我已經取得原住民的身份了對不對那我本身\n\n05:34.090 --> 06:00.772\n我到底可以享有哪些原住民的這個他種種的法律上的他到底是有些他可以適用有些他可以不適用我相信很多你每天接到這個電話你的原民會就會封掉這一點我不知道我就舉這個這一點那主委我們要如何因應我跟委員報告他們取得原住民的身分之後\n\n06:02.013 --> 06:10.117\n我想他們的這個潛力義務一定有優先的這個排戲我們也會跟他們做溝通做協調\n\n06:11.297 --> 06:36.256\n那在憲判的精神是未來的三年我們會另立專法就是為我們的平埔族的族人量身打造要怎麼樣來這個對他們的權益我們還有我們有另立還是要另立一些專法來因為原住民目前適用的法律不盡然也不當然絕對就可以適用我們現在的平埔族的族人這就是我要請教主委的\n\n06:41.337 --> 07:03.072\n所以另立專法是我們現在的選項嘛對不對那另立專法其實到時候我們會有很多很多的事情要討論喔不是你的專法一來大家就哇都照你的喔我相信每個人意見都不一樣喔所以你在這個另立專法\n\n07:03.672 --> 07:27.387\n你不能期限到的時候你才來這個可能要有很多的社會共識很多什麼因為另立專法就會有他的權利跟義務跟他很多的東西會發生了然後跟既有的原住民族不管基本法或什麼的很多的法令也可能會有衝突的地方喔所以像這個我不知道專法的進度到哪了開始了沒\n\n07:30.151 --> 07:51.569\n我們現在就是說因為現在是先趕快讓他們取得這個身份那之後我們馬上就會在年底之後年底之前我們就開始現在已經在跟我們的平埔族群的一些專家寫著我們先跟他們來做情誼就希望未來我們有一些什麼樣的話\n\n07:53.993 --> 08:15.291\n還有我們也會做一些社會狀況的調查不是啦主委我剛請教你的意思說你要另立專法我不反對嘛你們開始啟動立法了沒因為這個很複雜喔你不要以為好像有幾年的時間喔很多問題基本的觀念可能沒有辦法解決喔你這個法令的名稱到底要叫什麼\n\n08:17.028 --> 08:32.254\n要叫積分法還是什麼法其實這個可能大家就會吵了對不對因為這個相關關係了很多的權利義務我是提醒主委說這一個是你原民會成立以來\n\n08:33.752 --> 08:56.770\n第一次很大的一個變革,很大的不一樣然後你要忽略人數又那麼多,還有相關法令的這個是非常複雜的,如果你不及早因應我很擔心,到時候會一團亂那一團亂的情況之下,本來一個美意又變成了大家爭吵的一個焦點所以我覺得你們應該要成立\n\n08:58.328 --> 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