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00:02:25,895\n整個的這個那邊的這個整個戶地是14公頃沒錯那土地上我們已經處理了就說這個謝謝高雄市政府的協助那也都移撥給我們會裡面那還有一個比較大一點就是10公頃的那個自來水的用地應該\n\n7\n00:02:28,497 --> 00:02:56,622\n現在是還沒有但是現在已經作業到後面了應該很快這個如果如果能夠一波的話就整個土地就算完整了所以我們陸陸續續都有他掌握他的進度好那這就是我要在這邊再次跟我們主委來拜託啊因為大家一直想說去年5月就核定了到現在也一整年了為什麼大家看起來整個14公頃還是雜草重生然後毫無任何動工跟任何進度的跡象地方當然很擔心\n\n8\n00:02:57,322 --> 00:03:16,753\n那當然我也知道中間經過各式各樣包括人事的杯葛包括各式各樣可能一些預算上面的問題等等所以讓大家覺得好像沒有進度但事實上我再複述確認一次兩個月後院警館就會開始動工然後一年半之後我們院警館就會蓋好\n\n9\n00:03:17,955 --> 00:03:28,332\n對嘛好那這個主委要拜託在這邊承諾那我也希望這個真的要如時如期的來進行那再來我也跟您請教一下\n\n10\n00:03:31,034 --> 00:03:45,006\n這個也是剛剛其實有提到因為其實昨天早上不知道我們主委有沒有看到我們有一些平埔族的朋友他們有開了記者會那就我所知因為我知道這個是根據憲判嘛今年10月28之前一定要立法這個是有實現的問題可是目前看起來其實包括我們現在的法定原住民包括山原平原然後包括這些還沒有被納入的平埔族\n\n11\n00:03:57,637 --> 00:04:17,428\n之間是有一些紛爭然後是有非常多意見還還沒有辦法達到共識的我不知道主委在這中間有沒有去找各族群已經協調過或者是大家有沒有初步的共識了目前看起來如果連這個基本的共識都沒有很顯然上禮拜我們行政院院版送出的這個版本平埔族不滿意我們法定原住民也不滿意大家都不滿意那這個版本到時候要怎麼討論你告訴我\n\n12\n00:04:26,593 --> 00:04:52,143\n我跟委員報告我們這個版本要出來之前我們就有辦過至少九場的這個公聽會說明會那這九場包括對現在原來有的山地影住民跟平地影住民我們也辦了至少辦了四場那還有五場就是對我們平埔族群也來辦類似的這個座談類似的這個公聽會也有跟他們做說明\n\n13\n00:04:52,703 --> 00:05:16,921\n所以才會有這個原住民族的這個生活法來那我想這其中當然有很多很多這沒有那麼簡單啦就是一個非常複雜的議題也需要尊重各族群所以我才覺得你們要把握時間啊距離立法的期限快到了啊對我們仍然要跟我們特別是平埔的這個原住民的朋友\n\n14\n00:05:17,662 --> 00:05:42,421\n包括他們的專家寫者還有一些他們的地方上的一些幹部我們仍然要持我們一直在持續的做溝通那我們會裡面也有成立這樣的一個工作小組希望未來也能夠跨部會來來做做協調這個我想好那我就問一個基本的問題就好了因為我知道說其實目前內政部的歷史資料來看這個評普組可能算一算可能有98萬人是\n\n15\n00:05:44,182 --> 00:06:10,492\n是嗎是好那當然我非常我認為這個平普族的正名運動是必要的只是說現在目前草案裡面23條就規定說本法施行後三年內必須完成制度或修正相關政治參與跟社會福利的制度設計那請問這個到時候要怎麼做這個就是大家最關心的政治參與跟社會福利到時候如果照你們的版本下去要怎麼修啊\n\n16\n00:06:12,115 --> 00:06:25,758\n這個社會福利我們還是要跟他們要做溝通確定他們這個整個身份都出來的時候我們會跟他們做溝通那政治參與有很多因為很多的這個三眼\n\n17\n00:06:26,243 --> 00:06:46,429\n平衍他們很擔心就是說這個平埔原住民進來以後對政治參議是不是有什麼改變其實是沒有啦就立法委員要改變這個選舉的話是要修憲的沒那麼容易跟這個不一樣所以包括各式各樣名帶或是地方的這種選舉的席次不會因此而影響\n\n18\n00:06:48,109 --> 00:07:04,218\n還有如果說未來地方政府也就是縣市議員的選舉即便是有這個平埔原住民他也是外加他不會衝擊現在的現在的3D原住民跟平埔原住民的選舉這個部分當然還是很多人不知道那當然我們還是要不停的來做這個說明\n\n19\n00:07:05,359 --> 00:07:22,559\n好謝謝這個真的要拜託因為然後還有包括社福的制度也很多人擔心說包括我剛剛說了嘛這個平埔族如果加入之後有98萬人可能擁有這個資格那這些人的社會福利要怎麼照顧怎麼規劃這個都非常重要好嗎\n\n20\n00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:45,445\n好這個要拜託我們再加強溝通好最後一點時間我來跟這個主委拜託一下因為其實五月初的時候有一位國民黨籍的前立委到中國參加七彩雲南相約台灣的活動然後在現場高掛兩岸一家心聯心的布條那這很明顯其實就是用文化交流的外殼內藏著文化統戰的事實嘛\n\n21\n00:07:47,265 --> 00:08:16,264\n那其實我們也一直都知道說中共很容易把我們台灣的原住民的青年也好這種族群統戰的對象放在原住民族的身上這個其實都做過非常多的研究那甚至他們會用這種文化跟血脈來刻意的說我們都是少數民族我們都是炎黃子孫那我是不是可以在這邊拜託主委你們有沒有什麼對策然後可不可以說明原住民族是炎黃子孫嗎\n\n22\n00:08:18,926 --> 00:08:42,442\n對這樣的一個案子我們都是我們是支持還有尊重兩岸的原住民就是說我們支持彼此尊重但是我們也嚴正的聲明台灣原住民族是屬於南島語系的這個族群那不是炎黃子孫啦是啊歷史不容抹滅這個我們自己的族群的主體性怎麼可以這樣隨便被篡改歷史呢\n\n23\n00:08:43,363 --> 00:08:57,631\n所以在這個相關的這個互大陸交流的個案我們要嚴守我們自己的我們自己國家的法例那我們也不會就是說遭受對方的這個利用我們都有這樣的一個聲明\n\n24\n00:08:58,877 --> 00:09:24,207\n所以這個就是要拜託主委要知道說現在中共很明顯對於台灣很喜歡做的就是族群統戰嘛尤其是針對台灣的原住民族他們是用這近20年來都是用各式各樣的手法在籠絡也好然後辦這種文化交流但實質一直不斷的洗腦灌輸你我們都是什麼中國少數民族都用這種篡改歷史的方式在抹滅我們的族群主體性不是嗎\n\n25\n00:09:25,207 --> 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是好 那當然我非常我認為這個平普族的正名運動是必要的只是說現在目前草案裡面23條就規定說本法施行後三年內必須完成制度或修正相關政治參與跟社會福利的制度設計那請問這個到時候要怎麼做這個就是大家最關心的政治參與跟社會福利到時候如果照你們的版本下去要怎麼修啊\n372115\t385758\t這個社會福利我們還是要跟他們要做溝通確定他們這個整個身份都出來的時候我們會跟他們做溝通那政治參與有很多因為很多的這個三眼\n386243\t406429\t平衍他們很擔心就是說這個平埔原住民進來以後對政治參議是不是有什麼改變其實是沒有啦就立法委員要改變這個選舉的話是要修憲的沒那麼容易跟這個不一樣所以包括各式各樣名帶或是地方的這種選舉的席次不會因此而影響\n408109\t424218\t還有如果說未來地方政府也就是縣市議員的選舉即便是有這個平埔原住民他也是外加他不會衝擊現在的現在的3D原住民跟平埔原住民的選舉這個部分當然還是很多人不知道那當然我們還是要不停的來做這個說明\n425359\t442559\t好謝謝這個真的要拜託因為然後還有包括社福的制度也很多人擔心說包括我剛剛說了嘛這個平埔族如果加入之後有98萬人可能擁有這個資格那這些人的社會福利要怎麼照顧怎麼規劃這個都非常重要好嗎\n443600\t465445\t好 這個要拜託我們再加強溝通好 最後一點時間我來跟這個主委拜託一下因為其實五月初的時候有一位國民黨籍的前立委到中國參加七彩雲南相約台灣的活動然後在現場高掛兩岸一家心聯心的布條那這很明顯其實就是用文化交流的外殼內藏著文化統戰的事實嘛\n467265\t496264\t那其實我們也一直都知道說中共很容易把我們台灣的原住民的青年也好這種族群統戰的對象放在原住民族的身上這個其實都做過非常多的研究那甚至他們會用這種文化跟血脈來刻意的說我們都是少數民族我們都是炎黃子孫那我是不是可以在這邊拜託主委你們有沒有什麼對策然後可不可以說明原住民族是炎黃子孫嗎\n498926\t522442\t對這樣的一個案子我們都是我們是支持還有尊重兩岸的原住民就是說我們支持彼此尊重但是我們也嚴正的聲明台灣原住民族是屬於南島語系的這個族群那不是炎黃子孫啦是啊歷史不容抹滅這個我們自己的族群的主體性怎麼可以這樣隨便被篡改歷史呢\n523363\t537631\t所以在這個相關的這個互大陸交流的個案我們要嚴守我們自己的我們自己國家的法例那我們也不會就是說遭受對方的這個利用我們都有這樣的一個聲明\n538877\t564207\t所以這個就是要拜託主委要知道說現在中共很明顯對於台灣很喜歡做的就是族群統戰嘛尤其是針對台灣的原住民族他們是用這近20年來都是用各式各樣的手法在籠絡也好然後辦這種文化交流但實質一直不斷的洗腦灌輸你我們都是什麼中國少數民族都用這種篡改歷史的方式在抹滅我們的族群主體性不是嗎\n565207\t572655\t這個就是我們主委希望你自己要有意識我們整個園民會也要有這樣的意識去努力的保存我們自己的主體性好嗎好謝謝主委謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們請主委\n好 曾主委好首先跟您請教一下這個我們高雄原博館的進度因為這個是對於整個台灣來說是非常重大的一個國家級的原住民族博物館那這個進度我之前也跟您詢問過非常多次了從去年到現在可是看起來進度是非常延宕的包括說原本其實早在一開始啊是2025年就說要開幕後來呢延到了2027又後來又延到2032年\n那其實去年5月包括當時的陳建仁院長那包括我們幾位高雄的委員包括一些原住民族的委員我們一起到了該地去視察那當下其實那時候陳建仁院長是直接現場核定了第一期的工程58億可是到現在沒有任何的動工跡象那就我所知\n中間的一些耽擱是因為去年八月的考試院的人事權因為被藍白杯葛嘛所以到去年下半年考試院的空窗導致於我們的籌備處的人事到今年一月才核定到四月才有辦法進駐以上是不是好謝謝委員的關心我們這個國立原住民族博物館的這個籌備處在今年的四月已經成立了籌備處已經成立了\n那我們也會有一個驗警管在我們這個月就會公告然後下半年就開始施工施工大概在116年我們就會呈現下半年也就是兩個月後就會開始動工是這樣子嗎對 動工然後在116年初的時候這個整個驗警管就會蓋好大概是1.5公頃也就是兩年 一年半你們就會蓋好驗警管對 驗警管就會蓋好好\n整個的這個那邊的這個整個戶地是14公頃 沒錯那土地上我們已經處理了就說這個謝謝高雄市政府的協助那也都移撥給我們會裡面那還有一個比較大一點就是10公頃的那個自來水的用地應該\n現在是還沒有但是現在已經作業到後面了應該很快這個如果如果能夠一波的話就整個土地就算完整了所以我們陸陸續續都有他掌握他的進度好那這就是我要在這邊再次跟我們主委來拜託啊因為大家一直想說去年5月就核定了到現在也一整年了為什麼大家看起來整個14公頃還是雜草重生然後毫無任何動工跟任何進度的跡象地方當然很擔心\n那當然我也知道中間經過各式各樣包括人事的杯葛包括各式各樣可能一些預算上面的問題等等所以讓大家覺得好像沒有進度但事實上我再複述確認一次兩個月後院警館就會開始動工然後一年半之後我們院警館就會蓋好\n對嘛好那這個主委要拜託在這邊承諾那我也希望這個真的要如時如期的來進行那再來我也跟您請教一下\n這個也是剛剛其實有提到因為其實昨天早上不知道我們主委有沒有看到我們有一些平埔族的朋友他們有開了記者會那就我所知因為我知道這個是根據憲判嘛今年10月28之前一定要立法這個是有實現的問題可是目前看起來其實包括我們現在的法定原住民包括山原平原然後包括這些還沒有被納入的平埔族\n之間是有一些紛爭然後是有非常多意見還還沒有辦法達到共識的我不知道主委在這中間有沒有去找各族群已經協調過或者是大家有沒有初步的共識了目前看起來如果連這個基本的共識都沒有很顯然上禮拜我們行政院院版送出的這個版本平埔族不滿意我們法定原住民也不滿意大家都不滿意那這個版本到時候要怎麼討論你告訴我\n我跟委員報告我們這個版本要出來之前我們就有辦過至少九場的這個公聽會說明會那這九場包括對現在原來有的山地影住民跟平地影住民我們也辦了至少辦了四場那還有五場就是對我們平埔族群也來辦類似的這個座談類似的這個公聽會也有跟他們做說明\n所以才會有這個原住民族的這個生活法來那我想這其中當然有很多很多這沒有那麼簡單啦就是一個非常複雜的議題也需要尊重各族群所以我才覺得你們要把握時間啊距離立法的期限快到了啊對我們仍然要跟我們特別是平埔的這個原住民的朋友\n包括他們的專家寫者還有一些他們的地方上的一些幹部我們仍然要持我們一直在持續的做溝通那我們會裡面也有成立這樣的一個工作小組希望未來也能夠跨部會來來做做協調這個我想好那我就問一個基本的問題就好了因為我知道說其實目前內政部的歷史資料來看這個評普組可能算一算可能有98萬人是\n是嗎 是好 那當然我非常我認為這個平普族的正名運動是必要的只是說現在目前草案裡面23條就規定說本法施行後三年內必須完成制度或修正相關政治參與跟社會福利的制度設計那請問這個到時候要怎麼做這個就是大家最關心的政治參與跟社會福利到時候如果照你們的版本下去要怎麼修啊\n這個社會福利我們還是要跟他們要做溝通確定他們這個整個身份都出來的時候我們會跟他們做溝通那政治參與有很多因為很多的這個三眼\n平衍他們很擔心就是說這個平埔原住民進來以後對政治參議是不是有什麼改變其實是沒有啦就立法委員要改變這個選舉的話是要修憲的沒那麼容易跟這個不一樣所以包括各式各樣名帶或是地方的這種選舉的席次不會因此而影響\n還有如果說未來地方政府也就是縣市議員的選舉即便是有這個平埔原住民他也是外加他不會衝擊現在的現在的3D原住民跟平埔原住民的選舉這個部分當然還是很多人不知道那當然我們還是要不停的來做這個說明\n好謝謝這個真的要拜託因為然後還有包括社福的制度也很多人擔心說包括我剛剛說了嘛這個平埔族如果加入之後有98萬人可能擁有這個資格那這些人的社會福利要怎麼照顧怎麼規劃這個都非常重要好嗎\n好 這個要拜託我們再加強溝通好 最後一點時間我來跟這個主委拜託一下因為其實五月初的時候有一位國民黨籍的前立委到中國參加七彩雲南相約台灣的活動然後在現場高掛兩岸一家心聯心的布條那這很明顯其實就是用文化交流的外殼內藏著文化統戰的事實嘛\n那其實我們也一直都知道說中共很容易把我們台灣的原住民的青年也好這種族群統戰的對象放在原住民族的身上這個其實都做過非常多的研究那甚至他們會用這種文化跟血脈來刻意的說我們都是少數民族我們都是炎黃子孫那我是不是可以在這邊拜託主委你們有沒有什麼對策然後可不可以說明原住民族是炎黃子孫嗎\n對這樣的一個案子我們都是我們是支持還有尊重兩岸的原住民就是說我們支持彼此尊重但是我們也嚴正的聲明台灣原住民族是屬於南島語系的這個族群那不是炎黃子孫啦是啊歷史不容抹滅這個我們自己的族群的主體性怎麼可以這樣隨便被篡改歷史呢\n所以在這個相關的這個互大陸交流的個案我們要嚴守我們自己的我們自己國家的法例那我們也不會就是說遭受對方的這個利用我們都有這樣的一個聲明\n所以這個就是要拜託主委要知道說現在中共很明顯對於台灣很喜歡做的就是族群統戰嘛尤其是針對台灣的原住民族他們是用這近20年來都是用各式各樣的手法在籠絡也好然後辦這種文化交流但實質一直不斷的洗腦灌輸你我們都是什麼中國少數民族都用這種篡改歷史的方式在抹滅我們的族群主體性不是嗎\n這個就是我們主委希望你自己要有意識我們整個園民會也要有這樣的意識去努力的保存我們自己的主體性好嗎好謝謝主委謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.240 --> 00:07.862\n好謝謝主席我們請主委\n\n00:15.731 --> 00:41.061\n好曾主委好首先跟您請教一下這個我們高雄原博館的進度因為這個是對於整個台灣來說是非常重大的一個國家級的原住民族博物館那這個進度我之前也跟您詢問過非常多次了從去年到現在可是看起來進度是非常延宕的包括說原本其實早在一開始啊是2025年就說要開幕後來呢延到了2027又後來又延到2032年\n\n00:44.983 --> 01:06.909\n那其實去年5月包括當時的陳建仁院長那包括我們幾位高雄的委員包括一些原住民族的委員我們一起到了該地去視察那當下其實那時候陳建仁院長是直接現場核定了第一期的工程58億可是到現在沒有任何的動工跡象那就我所知\n\n01:07.589 --> 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