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00:00:38,609\n國務部長立法院呢在2025年的5月13號三讀修正通過了我們這個核子反應器的施管制辦法設施管制辦法第6條修正案那賦予呢核電廠研議跟重啟的這個法律依據那之前呢你也曾表示過如果修法通過\n\n3\n00:00:39,209 --> 00:00:45,099\n那政府會在這個法規框架下來行事那請問經濟部是否已經開始這個研擬啟動研議的評估作業了呢\n\n4\n00:00:50,268 --> 00:01:10,043\n報告委員我想對於這個核管法的部分我想大家必須要先設置一個法來先就安全的部分我們已經通過了我們這個核子反應器的設施管理管制辦法第六條修正案已經賦予核電廠研議或重啟的法律依據\n\n5\n00:01:14,346 --> 00:01:18,310\n那你一直在講的核安然後核廢料社會共識等等有關於核安其實台灣的核電常年在IAEA國際評鑑中都是名列前茅如果這樣的機組都不算安全的話還有誰能夠過關呢\n\n6\n00:01:32,623 --> 00:01:42,248\n是報告委員我想這個是通過了母法我們現在還缺乏那個執法可以執行的執法所以我們現在就是要讓整安會趕快把執法送出來然後讓台電可以根據這個執法下去去落實這樣\n\n7\n00:01:51,493 --> 00:01:55,117\n經濟部的部分呢經濟部是贊成樂觀集成這兩個前提然後三個原則我想這個就是核安的部分已經應該是不用再討論了應該我們算是安全就要趕快把執法執法落實然後台電根據這個執法去檢測\n\n8\n00:02:10,695 --> 00:02:21,177\n那三個原則我想還是一樣大家都非常清楚就是核安沒問題核廢料可以處理那全民有共識那核廢料就是甘氏儲存潮的計畫已經早啟動現在就是可能2025年就會完成了那系統設計的壽命為50年那甘廚做到了應該是核廢料也有解了\n\n9\n00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:41,762\n那社會共識的部分非常多的這個民調包括最近的禁新聞的民調都顯示說有過半的民眾55%以上的民眾都贊成所以這應該也算是社會共識所以研議的三個要件實際上都已經\n\n10\n00:02:52,005 --> 00:03:01,588\n已經具備了唯一沒有準備好的就是政策執行的勇氣啊那希望說這個部長要拿出你這個霸道總裁的這個霸氣啊趕快讓他實行啊讓我們的這個產業比較安定下來安心說我會有穩定供電啊\n\n11\n00:03:11,531 --> 00:03:32,299\n謝謝委員就這一部分我想公部門必須要依法依規來處理我剛才跟您報告我們母法通過了謝謝您但是我們現在趕快要把執法羅列出來然後大家按照法的框架之下大家努力的快速的把這件事情給完成\n\n12\n00:03:32,659 --> 00:03:49,570\n那也拜託部長在崇龐加速讓他們可以加速前進趕快你的關心我想一定會給他們增添很多的這個火力那另外講到火力我必須要講一下就是今天很多人問的河山場5月17日\n\n13\n00:03:51,972 --> 00:04:08,594\n停機三天才停機三天5月20號去年9月操作許可證就到齊的新達3號4號燃煤機組就啟動了加入電網這個是否屬實呢那我是不是請這個我們台電跟你回應一下好\n\n14\n00:04:10,356 --> 00:04:38,830\n是跟委員報告喔興達它的許可雖然到期了但是它還沒有到初一興達的3號機是今年底才初一然後4號機是明年底那許可到期之後台電有跟趙雄市政府提出這個許可的審查演繹它不能在審查中審查中你就可以自己脫開啦當時在這個興達更新改建的環評裡面其實當時就有承諾這個興達的3號4號機在被轉容量低於8%以下的時候它可以運轉\n\n15\n00:04:39,818 --> 00:05:04,683\n是那我可不可以再跟部長講一下這就是我想要指出的就是現在我們的政府對於延役這兩個字根本就是雙重標準新達三號機四號機早就已經沒有操作許可證了也不在常態的機組名單之上但是只要有缺電危機這些機組就可以立即起死回生重新啟用上網發電請問一下部長這樣算不算延役呢\n\n16\n00:05:08,024 --> 00:05:12,507\n有經過新的許可嗎他在審查中就可以拿出來用了還是只要用電不夠的時候他們內部決定說應急就可以立即上線了呢因為還在審查中嘛是吧所以在那個環境裡面是被允許的啦就反觀核電不但機組狀態良好而且運轉穩定這個安全評鑑屢獲國際認同然後原班人馬原班體系都在結果現在連研議的\n\n17\n00:05:38,084 --> 00:05:46,689\n法都過了你們現在還在想要說啊執法啊等等啊我是覺得說是不是喔應該不要再繼續雙標下去了趕快把你們拿新大電廠的這種喔魄力拿來啟用河山廠這樣好不好我們部長\n\n18\n00:05:54,706 --> 00:06:12,854\n大家一起努力好謝謝那我是不是可以再問一下我們這個高副主委就是我們賴總統前幾天有表示國家應該要成立這個主權基金那請問一下國發會現在的持的態度為何呢我們遵照行政院協議的\n\n19\n00:06:15,326 --> 00:06:38,709\n結果那現在台灣雖然沒有主權基金但是過去央行也曾說我們的四大基金勞保、勞退、國民年金跟退府基金雖然沒有主權基金之名但有主權基金之實那國發會的這個國發基金也有類似的功能您認為未來主權基金跟我們四大基金的投資邏輯上會有什麼大不同嗎\n\n20\n00:06:40,110 --> 00:07:09,390\n基本上所謂的四大基金比較是財務型操作的基金那我們國發基金是屬於策略投資型的基金那國際間的主權基金這兩種形態都有會是這個國家的它是要達到的政策性的目標來定那我們未來主權基金是會採取什麼樣的形態來設置目前還在研議當中所以還不是很清楚那有關於這個台灣的主權基金成立的裁員呢\n\n21\n00:07:10,570 --> 00:07:33,361\n也是在研議當中國際間有財政盈餘外匯存底還有他們自然資源的收益那有可能發債嗎當然是有可能就是不排除預計的發債對象跟他的規模嗎都還在研議當中所以意思就是說在總統說之前是沒有縝密的規劃的\n\n22\n00:07:34,522 --> 00:07:52,830\n不是應該是說我們都有各我們都有一些國際間的我們也都有都有研議過國際間的基本的做法那我們基本上我們也有模擬如果國內要推動的時候我們可以採取什麼樣的做法可是基本上因為之前的討論大家都就是在\n\n23\n00:07:53,430 --> 00:08:08,784\n今年以前的這些討論其實沒有太多的共識那現在總統已經決定要宣誓要成立的時候那我們就會就中間可行的做法適合我們國內的情況我們來研立一些具體的策略跟方向\n\n24\n00:08:09,404 --> 00:08:28,278\n當然這個均無細言既然總統說了要做就是一定要做但是我們也希望說做的時候一定要多參考一些其他國家的例子當然新加坡的模式很多人都提起但是也不是沒有失敗的例子像挪威的主權基金第一季就高達\n\n25\n00:08:29,539 --> 00:08:52,859\n就虧損高達新台幣1.3兆元那我們希望說這個主權基金給這個國發會一點建議可以帶回去跨部會溝通第一就是一定要設立專法然後設計的制度絕對不能倉促上路那第二呢主權基金應該由獨立的法人運作由這個政府產業界跟學界共組\n\n26\n00:08:53,740 --> 00:09:21,237\n不要變成政治人事化人事政治化確保投資的專業性那未來呢也希望說這個推動主權基金的這個過程國發會不要只是配合的單位要去扮演這個設定制度的設計制度的這個領頭單位謝謝是謝謝謝謝張家俊剛才您提的其實都是最沒有共識中間的最有共識的部分謝謝張家俊委員的資訊\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n129\t8281\t下一位請張家俊委員質詢謝謝趙委我想請這個經濟部郭部長還有我們的高副主委\n17084\t38609\t國務部長立法院呢在2025年的5月13號三讀修正通過了我們這個核子反應器的施管制辦法設施管制辦法第6條修正案那賦予呢核電廠研議跟重啟的這個法律依據那之前呢你也曾表示過如果修法通過\n39209\t45099\t那政府會在這個法規框架下來行事那請問經濟部是否已經開始這個研擬啟動研議的評估作業了呢\n50268\t70043\t報告委員我想對於這個核管法的部分我想大家必須要先設置一個法來先就安全的部分我們已經通過了我們這個核子反應器的設施管理管制辦法第六條修正案已經賦予核電廠研議或重啟的法律依據\n74346\t78310\t那你一直在講的核安然後核廢料社會共識等等有關於核安其實台灣的核電常年在IAEA國際評鑑中都是名列前茅如果這樣的機組都不算安全的話還有誰能夠過關呢\n92623\t102248\t是 報告委員我想這個是通過了母法我們現在還缺乏那個執法可以執行的執法所以我們現在就是要讓整安會趕快把執法送出來然後讓台電可以根據這個執法下去去落實這樣\n111493\t115117\t經濟部的部分呢經濟部是贊成樂觀集成這兩個前提然後三個原則我想這個就是核安的部分已經應該是不用再討論了應該我們算是安全就要趕快把執法執法落實然後台電根據這個執法去檢測\n130695\t141177\t那三個原則我想還是一樣大家都非常清楚就是核安沒問題核廢料可以處理那全民有共識那核廢料就是甘氏儲存潮的計畫已經早啟動現在就是可能2025年就會完成了那系統設計的壽命為50年那甘廚做到了應該是核廢料也有解了\n152600\t161762\t那社會共識的部分非常多的這個民調包括最近的禁新聞的民調都顯示說有過半的民眾55%以上的民眾都贊成所以這應該也算是社會共識所以研議的三個要件實際上都已經\n172005\t181588\t已經具備了唯一沒有準備好的就是政策執行的勇氣啊那希望說這個部長要拿出你這個霸道總裁的這個霸氣啊趕快讓他實行啊讓我們的這個產業比較安定下來安心說我會有穩定供電啊\n191531\t212299\t謝謝委員就這一部分我想公部門必須要依法依規來處理我剛才跟您報告我們母法通過了謝謝您但是我們現在趕快要把執法羅列出來然後大家按照法的框架之下大家努力的快速的把這件事情給完成\n212659\t229570\t那也拜託部長在崇龐加速讓他們可以加速前進趕快你的關心我想一定會給他們增添很多的這個火力那另外講到火力我必須要講一下就是今天很多人問的河山場5月17日\n231972\t248594\t停機三天才停機三天5月20號去年9月操作許可證就到齊的新達3號4號燃煤機組就啟動了加入電網這個是否屬實呢那我是不是請這個我們台電跟你回應一下好\n250356\t278830\t是 跟委員報告喔 興達它的許可雖然到期了 但是它還沒有到初一興達的3號機是今年底才初一 然後4號機是明年底那許可到期之後 台電有跟趙雄市政府提出這個許可的審查演繹 它不能在審查中審查中你就可以自己脫開啦當時在這個興達更新改建的環評裡面 其實當時就有承諾這個興達的3號 4號機在被轉容量低於8%以下的時候 它可以運轉\n279818\t304683\t是 那我可不可以再跟部長講一下這就是我想要指出的就是現在我們的政府對於延役這兩個字根本就是雙重標準新達三號機四號機早就已經沒有操作許可證了也不在常態的機組名單之上但是只要有缺電危機這些機組就可以立即起死回生重新啟用上網發電請問一下部長這樣算不算延役呢\n308024\t312507\t有經過新的許可嗎 他在審查中就可以拿出來用了還是只要用電不夠的時候他們內部決定說 應急就可以立即上線了呢因為還在審查中嘛 是吧所以在那個環境裡面是被允許的啦就反觀核電不但機組狀態良好而且運轉穩定這個安全評鑑屢獲國際認同然後原班人馬原班體系都在結果現在連研議的\n338084\t346689\t法都過了 你們現在還在想要說啊執法啊等等啊 我是覺得說是不是喔 應該不要再繼續雙標下去了趕快把你們拿新大電廠的這種喔 魄力拿來啟用河山廠這樣好不好 我們部長\n354706\t372854\t大家一起努力好 謝謝那我是不是可以再問一下我們這個高副主委就是我們賴總統前幾天有表示國家應該要成立這個主權基金那請問一下國發會現在的 持的態度為何呢我們遵照行政院協議的\n375326\t398709\t結果那現在台灣雖然沒有主權基金但是過去央行也曾說我們的四大基金勞保、勞退、國民年金跟退府基金雖然沒有主權基金之名但有主權基金之實那國發會的這個國發基金也有類似的功能您認為未來主權基金跟我們四大基金的投資邏輯上會有什麼大不同嗎\n400110\t429390\t基本上所謂的四大基金比較是財務型操作的基金那我們國發基金是屬於策略投資型的基金那國際間的主權基金這兩種形態都有會是這個國家的它是要達到的政策性的目標來定那我們未來主權基金是會採取什麼樣的形態來設置目前還在研議當中所以還不是很清楚那有關於這個台灣的主權基金成立的裁員呢\n430570\t453361\t也是在研議當中 國際間有財政盈餘 外匯存底還有他們自然資源的收益那有可能發債嗎當然是有可能就是不排除預計的發債對象跟他的規模嗎都還在研議當中所以意思就是說 在總統說之前是沒有縝密的規劃的\n454522\t472830\t不是應該是說我們都有各我們都有一些國際間的我們也都有都有研議過國際間的基本的做法那我們基本上我們也有模擬如果國內要推動的時候我們可以採取什麼樣的做法可是基本上因為之前的討論大家都就是在\n473430\t488784\t今年以前的這些討論其實沒有太多的共識那現在總統已經決定要宣誓要成立的時候那我們就會就中間可行的做法適合我們國內的情況我們來研立一些具體的策略跟方向\n489404\t508278\t當然這個均無細言既然總統說了要做就是一定要做但是我們也希望說做的時候一定要多參考一些其他國家的例子當然新加坡的模式很多人都提起但是也不是沒有失敗的例子像挪威的主權基金第一季就高達\n509539\t532859\t就虧損高達新台幣1.3兆元那我們希望說這個主權基金給這個國發會一點建議可以帶回去跨部會溝通第一就是一定要設立專法然後設計的制度絕對不能倉促上路那第二呢主權基金應該由獨立的法人運作由這個政府產業界跟學界共組\n533740\t561237\t不要變成政治人事化人事政治化確保投資的專業性那未來呢也希望說這個推動主權基金的這個過程國發會不要只是配合的單位要去扮演這個設定制度的設計制度的這個領頭單位謝謝是謝謝謝謝張家俊剛才您提的其實都是最沒有共識中間的最有共識的部分謝謝張家俊委員的資訊\n","txt":"下一位請張家俊委員質詢謝謝趙委我想請這個經濟部郭部長還有我們的高副主委\n國務部長立法院呢在2025年的5月13號三讀修正通過了我們這個核子反應器的施管制辦法設施管制辦法第6條修正案那賦予呢核電廠研議跟重啟的這個法律依據那之前呢你也曾表示過如果修法通過\n那政府會在這個法規框架下來行事那請問經濟部是否已經開始這個研擬啟動研議的評估作業了呢\n報告委員我想對於這個核管法的部分我想大家必須要先設置一個法來先就安全的部分我們已經通過了我們這個核子反應器的設施管理管制辦法第六條修正案已經賦予核電廠研議或重啟的法律依據\n那你一直在講的核安然後核廢料社會共識等等有關於核安其實台灣的核電常年在IAEA國際評鑑中都是名列前茅如果這樣的機組都不算安全的話還有誰能夠過關呢\n是 報告委員我想這個是通過了母法我們現在還缺乏那個執法可以執行的執法所以我們現在就是要讓整安會趕快把執法送出來然後讓台電可以根據這個執法下去去落實這樣\n經濟部的部分呢經濟部是贊成樂觀集成這兩個前提然後三個原則我想這個就是核安的部分已經應該是不用再討論了應該我們算是安全就要趕快把執法執法落實然後台電根據這個執法去檢測\n那三個原則我想還是一樣大家都非常清楚就是核安沒問題核廢料可以處理那全民有共識那核廢料就是甘氏儲存潮的計畫已經早啟動現在就是可能2025年就會完成了那系統設計的壽命為50年那甘廚做到了應該是核廢料也有解了\n那社會共識的部分非常多的這個民調包括最近的禁新聞的民調都顯示說有過半的民眾55%以上的民眾都贊成所以這應該也算是社會共識所以研議的三個要件實際上都已經\n已經具備了唯一沒有準備好的就是政策執行的勇氣啊那希望說這個部長要拿出你這個霸道總裁的這個霸氣啊趕快讓他實行啊讓我們的這個產業比較安定下來安心說我會有穩定供電啊\n謝謝委員就這一部分我想公部門必須要依法依規來處理我剛才跟您報告我們母法通過了謝謝您但是我們現在趕快要把執法羅列出來然後大家按照法的框架之下大家努力的快速的把這件事情給完成\n那也拜託部長在崇龐加速讓他們可以加速前進趕快你的關心我想一定會給他們增添很多的這個火力那另外講到火力我必須要講一下就是今天很多人問的河山場5月17日\n停機三天才停機三天5月20號去年9月操作許可證就到齊的新達3號4號燃煤機組就啟動了加入電網這個是否屬實呢那我是不是請這個我們台電跟你回應一下好\n是 跟委員報告喔 興達它的許可雖然到期了 但是它還沒有到初一興達的3號機是今年底才初一 然後4號機是明年底那許可到期之後 台電有跟趙雄市政府提出這個許可的審查演繹 它不能在審查中審查中你就可以自己脫開啦當時在這個興達更新改建的環評裡面 其實當時就有承諾這個興達的3號 4號機在被轉容量低於8%以下的時候 它可以運轉\n是 那我可不可以再跟部長講一下這就是我想要指出的就是現在我們的政府對於延役這兩個字根本就是雙重標準新達三號機四號機早就已經沒有操作許可證了也不在常態的機組名單之上但是只要有缺電危機這些機組就可以立即起死回生重新啟用上網發電請問一下部長這樣算不算延役呢\n有經過新的許可嗎 他在審查中就可以拿出來用了還是只要用電不夠的時候他們內部決定說 應急就可以立即上線了呢因為還在審查中嘛 是吧所以在那個環境裡面是被允許的啦就反觀核電不但機組狀態良好而且運轉穩定這個安全評鑑屢獲國際認同然後原班人馬原班體系都在結果現在連研議的\n法都過了 你們現在還在想要說啊執法啊等等啊 我是覺得說是不是喔 應該不要再繼續雙標下去了趕快把你們拿新大電廠的這種喔 魄力拿來啟用河山廠這樣好不好 我們部長\n大家一起努力好 謝謝那我是不是可以再問一下我們這個高副主委就是我們賴總統前幾天有表示國家應該要成立這個主權基金那請問一下國發會現在的 持的態度為何呢我們遵照行政院協議的\n結果那現在台灣雖然沒有主權基金但是過去央行也曾說我們的四大基金勞保、勞退、國民年金跟退府基金雖然沒有主權基金之名但有主權基金之實那國發會的這個國發基金也有類似的功能您認為未來主權基金跟我們四大基金的投資邏輯上會有什麼大不同嗎\n基本上所謂的四大基金比較是財務型操作的基金那我們國發基金是屬於策略投資型的基金那國際間的主權基金這兩種形態都有會是這個國家的它是要達到的政策性的目標來定那我們未來主權基金是會採取什麼樣的形態來設置目前還在研議當中所以還不是很清楚那有關於這個台灣的主權基金成立的裁員呢\n也是在研議當中 國際間有財政盈餘 外匯存底還有他們自然資源的收益那有可能發債嗎當然是有可能就是不排除預計的發債對象跟他的規模嗎都還在研議當中所以意思就是說 在總統說之前是沒有縝密的規劃的\n不是應該是說我們都有各我們都有一些國際間的我們也都有都有研議過國際間的基本的做法那我們基本上我們也有模擬如果國內要推動的時候我們可以採取什麼樣的做法可是基本上因為之前的討論大家都就是在\n今年以前的這些討論其實沒有太多的共識那現在總統已經決定要宣誓要成立的時候那我們就會就中間可行的做法適合我們國內的情況我們來研立一些具體的策略跟方向\n當然這個均無細言既然總統說了要做就是一定要做但是我們也希望說做的時候一定要多參考一些其他國家的例子當然新加坡的模式很多人都提起但是也不是沒有失敗的例子像挪威的主權基金第一季就高達\n就虧損高達新台幣1.3兆元那我們希望說這個主權基金給這個國發會一點建議可以帶回去跨部會溝通第一就是一定要設立專法然後設計的制度絕對不能倉促上路那第二呢主權基金應該由獨立的法人運作由這個政府產業界跟學界共組\n不要變成政治人事化人事政治化確保投資的專業性那未來呢也希望說這個推動主權基金的這個過程國發會不要只是配合的單位要去扮演這個設定制度的設計制度的這個領頭單位謝謝是謝謝謝謝張家俊剛才您提的其實都是最沒有共識中間的最有共識的部分謝謝張家俊委員的資訊\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.129 --> 00:08.281\n下一位請張家俊委員質詢謝謝趙委我想請這個經濟部郭部長還有我們的高副主委\n\n00:17.084 --> 00:38.609\n國務部長立法院呢在2025年的5月13號三讀修正通過了我們這個核子反應器的施管制辦法設施管制辦法第6條修正案那賦予呢核電廠研議跟重啟的這個法律依據那之前呢你也曾表示過如果修法通過\n\n00:39.209 --> 00:45.099\n那政府會在這個法規框架下來行事那請問經濟部是否已經開始這個研擬啟動研議的評估作業了呢\n\n00:50.268 --> 01:10.043\n報告委員我想對於這個核管法的部分我想大家必須要先設置一個法來先就安全的部分我們已經通過了我們這個核子反應器的設施管理管制辦法第六條修正案已經賦予核電廠研議或重啟的法律依據\n\n01:14.346 --> 01:18.310\n那你一直在講的核安然後核廢料社會共識等等有關於核安其實台灣的核電常年在IAEA國際評鑑中都是名列前茅如果這樣的機組都不算安全的話還有誰能夠過關呢\n\n01:32.623 --> 01:42.248\n是報告委員我想這個是通過了母法我們現在還缺乏那個執法可以執行的執法所以我們現在就是要讓整安會趕快把執法送出來然後讓台電可以根據這個執法下去去落實這樣\n\n01:51.493 --> 01:55.117\n經濟部的部分呢經濟部是贊成樂觀集成這兩個前提然後三個原則我想這個就是核安的部分已經應該是不用再討論了應該我們算是安全就要趕快把執法執法落實然後台電根據這個執法去檢測\n\n02:10.695 --> 02:21.177\n那三個原則我想還是一樣大家都非常清楚就是核安沒問題核廢料可以處理那全民有共識那核廢料就是甘氏儲存潮的計畫已經早啟動現在就是可能2025年就會完成了那系統設計的壽命為50年那甘廚做到了應該是核廢料也有解了\n\n02:32.600 --> 02:41.762\n那社會共識的部分非常多的這個民調包括最近的禁新聞的民調都顯示說有過半的民眾55%以上的民眾都贊成所以這應該也算是社會共識所以研議的三個要件實際上都已經\n\n02:52.005 --> 03:01.588\n已經具備了唯一沒有準備好的就是政策執行的勇氣啊那希望說這個部長要拿出你這個霸道總裁的這個霸氣啊趕快讓他實行啊讓我們的這個產業比較安定下來安心說我會有穩定供電啊\n\n03:11.531 --> 03:32.299\n謝謝委員就這一部分我想公部門必須要依法依規來處理我剛才跟您報告我們母法通過了謝謝您但是我們現在趕快要把執法羅列出來然後大家按照法的框架之下大家努力的快速的把這件事情給完成\n\n03:32.659 --> 03:49.570\n那也拜託部長在崇龐加速讓他們可以加速前進趕快你的關心我想一定會給他們增添很多的這個火力那另外講到火力我必須要講一下就是今天很多人問的河山場5月17日\n\n03:51.972 --> 04:08.594\n停機三天才停機三天5月20號去年9月操作許可證就到齊的新達3號4號燃煤機組就啟動了加入電網這個是否屬實呢那我是不是請這個我們台電跟你回應一下好\n\n04:10.356 --> 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