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00:03:53,860\n台積電的靠山台積電是世界最強的半導體公司沒有錯由台積電製造出來的晶片支持全球所有的AI的伺服器那麼這個算力基本上來自於AI伺服器的精算的能耐\n\n12\n00:03:54,580 --> 00:04:12,498\n我相信沒有世界沒有任何一個地方可以比台灣更優秀可以比台灣更優秀所以可以看得出來當他把這個研發中心跟運作中心設立在台北的時候世界各地的數位牧民大概也會聚集到台南數位牧民嘛\n\n13\n00:04:12,918 --> 00:04:19,143\n所以現在我們也要處理這個外國人才的一個讓他招攬進來那也是強調怎麼讓數位慕名讓他可以很快速的落腳台灣這個都要做但是我還有幾個方向事實上我在這裡提出一些看法我覺得部長應該要來參考第一就是我們在發展AI基礎設施這個很多是科技產業自己要跳下去做那政府可以做什麼第一個就是在\n\n14\n00:04:40,519 --> 00:04:49,230\n在這個租稅上的一個優惠讓這些科技產業更有競爭力這是第一個第二個因為馬來西亞他結合華為晶片要發展他們國家級的這個AI基礎設施我們台灣呢\n\n15\n00:04:55,438 --> 00:05:12,837\n台灣一樣要面對這件事情那所以我們這一次跟美國的一個談判在這90天中我們必須要盯緊馬來西亞的稅率跟我們稅率的差距不要因為稅率的差距變成我們未來在做競爭時候的一些小劣勢\n\n16\n00:05:13,857 --> 00:05:29,706\n是的,我會參考這個委員的這個訊息所以盯緊馬來西亞他們跟美國的這一個關稅的台灣一定要這一點一定要注意好是的那第三個就是說因為黃仁勳有講他說他所需要的晶片\n\n17\n00:05:30,606 --> 00:05:46,036\n就是台積電COWAS的晶片尤其現在最新的COWASL所以黃仁勳都講了說他想像不到除了COWAS以外沒有其他選擇這是黃仁勳講的那我們也知道現在整個COWAS的一個佈局在\n\n18\n00:05:46,516 --> 00:06:04,626\n嘉義的科學園區正在大概今年九月第一個廠就好了所以整個台積電COWAS的布局跟未來黃仁勳所要發展的AI基礎設施他在台灣的NVIDIA的未來的帝國的一個產生這一個COWAS的一個基地就很重要\n\n19\n00:06:05,086 --> 00:06:21,258\n那所謂KOWAS嘉義這一個呃嘉科的KOWAS又來自於高雄台南他們生產的一個晶片所以咧這部分就要講給國發會聽所以就是說怎樣把整個南部交通的串聯有夠重要\n\n20\n00:06:21,858 --> 00:06:43,440\n所以我們在說的高鐵橋下的道路台37線怎麼把所謂S郎大S郎大再擴大到嘉義這一段就是連接到了把所有的科學園區透過一條產業道路直接把它串聯起來這件事就是要緊加速加速這一條產業道路的建設第二個\n\n21\n00:06:44,537 --> 00:07:05,041\n第二個因應未來NVIDIA在台灣要建立帝國要有很多科技的人才國際的人才要來台灣國際的人才要來台灣但是台灣的空運不管是客運或是貨運太過依賴桃園機場尤其是在貨運的部分95.9%的貨運都是依賴桃園機場\n\n22\n00:07:12,998 --> 00:07:20,282\n第二個高雄小館機場才佔1.79%所以你可以想像萬一在航空機場塌下的時候他們的飛機出現一些小狀況他們塌下我這裡的東西跑不進來\n\n23\n00:07:27,901 --> 00:07:54,022\n所以我們現在要趕快打造台灣另外一個以貨運為中心以貨運為概念的國際機場這件事我覺得這當然不是經濟部經濟部應該站在整個科技產業的佈局這件事應該在你們在行政院會報的時候都必須要拿出來講那國發會則無盤帶你們必須要趕快去建造台灣的貨運那不能夠單單\n\n24\n00:07:56,064 --> 00:08:18,572\n依賴桃園機場一間來走好不好來我們現在了解的程度是交通部在高雄推動雙港高雄在推動雙港但是高雄高雄空港跟高雄海港沒有錯沒有錯這個都是一些計畫所以既然有這些計畫要怎麼加速那如果高雄因為又有宵禁的問題是不是還有其他地點來選擇這都要經過討論是好不好好當然我們嘉義我們水上機場也是一個\n\n25\n00:08:24,274 --> 00:08:44,012\n因為如果是以貨運為導向的我們並不是說這個要看客運來支撐但是如果以貨運的話嘉義的水上機場也是一個考量的因為剛剛就講的未來的NVIDIA晶片與CoreOS晶片沒有其他選擇那嘉義也是在這整個科技的世界大戰裡面我們佔有一席之地\n\n26\n00:08:47,134 --> 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報告委員我想這個全球來看\n131910\t146175\t在AI的這個領域裡面當然最大的就是美國那中國的AI當然是在目前來看排名是第二名那華為當然是中國最大的半導體機構那今天這個\n149237\t166492\t黃榮勳先生來台灣那麼建立他的這個這個大的這個基地啊海外的基地在台北主要是看上我們的人才主要是看上台灣的這個人才以及台灣在這個半導體供應鏈充分的這樣的一個架構那我相信這個馬來西亞他站在這個這個\n172310\t201650\t對立面啦可以講說它對立面當然就跟壁壘分明了嘛一個是以華為晶片為主的一個我們NVIDIA是以台積電的晶片啦這個就有一點是不一樣的走向了所以現在就是競爭的開始欸競爭的開始但是我們台灣呢是這個A組加A組啦那他們是這個B組加B組我們台灣有最強的整個AI的供應鏈嘛都在台灣所以我們是最強的一組啊但是我覺得在這個時候我們進步很重要\n202410\t216506\t部長我們是不是要當黃仁勳未來在台灣整體布局的一個靠山這沒問題吧我們現在不僅是做NVIDIA的靠山我們是做台積電的靠山\n217807\t233860\t台積電的靠山台積電是世界最強的半導體公司沒有錯由台積電製造出來的晶片支持全球所有的AI的伺服器那麼這個算力基本上來自於AI伺服器的精算的能耐\n234580\t252498\t我相信沒有世界沒有任何一個地方可以比台灣更優秀可以比台灣更優秀所以可以看得出來當他把這個研發中心跟運作中心設立在台北的時候世界各地的數位牧民大概也會聚集到台南數位牧民嘛\n252918\t259143\t所以現在我們也要處理這個外國人才的一個讓他招攬進來那也是強調怎麼讓數位慕名讓他可以很快速的落腳台灣這個都要做但是我還有幾個方向事實上我在這裡提出一些看法我覺得部長應該要來參考第一就是我們在發展AI基礎設施這個很多是科技產業自己要跳下去做那政府可以做什麼第一個就是在\n280519\t289230\t在這個租稅上的一個優惠讓這些科技產業更有競爭力這是第一個第二個因為馬來西亞他結合華為晶片要發展他們國家級的這個AI基礎設施我們台灣呢\n295438\t312837\t台灣一樣要面對這件事情那所以我們這一次跟美國的一個談判在這90天中我們必須要盯緊馬來西亞的稅率跟我們稅率的差距不要因為稅率的差距變成我們未來在做競爭時候的一些小劣勢\n313857\t329706\t是的,我會參考這個委員的這個訊息所以盯緊馬來西亞他們跟美國的這一個關稅的台灣一定要這一點一定要注意好是的那第三個就是說因為黃仁勳有講他說他所需要的晶片\n330606\t346036\t就是台積電COWAS的晶片尤其現在最新的COWAS L所以黃仁勳都講了說他想像不到除了COWAS以外沒有其他選擇這是黃仁勳講的那我們也知道現在整個COWAS的一個佈局在\n346516\t364626\t嘉義的科學園區正在大概今年九月第一個廠就好了所以整個台積電COWAS的布局跟未來黃仁勳所要發展的AI基礎設施他在台灣的NVIDIA的未來的帝國的一個產生這一個COWAS的一個基地就很重要\n365086\t381258\t那所謂KOWAS 嘉義這一個 呃 嘉科的KOWAS又來自於高雄 台南他們生產的一個晶片所以咧 這部分就要講給國發會聽所以就是說 怎樣把整個南部交通的串聯 有夠重要\n381858\t403440\t所以我們在說的高鐵橋下的道路台37線怎麼把所謂S郎大S郎大再擴大到嘉義這一段就是連接到了把所有的科學園區透過一條產業道路直接把它串聯起來這件事就是要緊加速加速這一條產業道路的建設第二個\n404537\t425041\t第二個因應未來NVIDIA在台灣要建立帝國要有很多科技的人才國際的人才要來台灣國際的人才要來台灣但是台灣的空運不管是客運或是貨運太過依賴桃園機場尤其是在貨運的部分95.9%的貨運都是依賴桃園機場\n432998\t440282\t第二個 高雄小館機場才佔1.79%所以你可以想像 萬一在航空機場塌下的時候他們的飛機出現一些小狀況他們塌下 我這裡的東西跑不進來\n447901\t474022\t所以我們現在要趕快打造台灣另外一個以貨運為中心以貨運為概念的國際機場這件事我覺得這當然不是經濟部經濟部應該站在整個科技產業的佈局這件事應該在你們在行政院會報的時候都必須要拿出來講那國發會則無盤帶你們必須要趕快去建造台灣的貨運那不能夠單單\n476064\t498572\t依賴桃園機場 一間來走好不好 來我們現在了解的程度是交通部在高雄推動雙港高雄在推動雙港 但是高雄高雄空港跟高雄海港沒有錯 沒有錯 這個都是一些計畫所以既然有這些計畫要怎麼加速那如果高雄因為又有宵禁的問題是不是還有其他地點來選擇這都要經過討論 是 好不好好 當然我們嘉義 我們水上機場也是一個\n504274\t524012\t因為如果是以貨運為導向的我們並不是說這個要看客運來支撐但是如果以貨運的話嘉義的水上機場也是一個考量的因為剛剛就講的未來的NVIDIA晶片與CoreOS晶片沒有其他選擇那嘉義也是在這整個科技的世界大戰裡面我們佔有一席之地\n527134\t535227\t整個政府 要來通盤的一個考量做NVIDIA 做台積電的後盾跟靠山 好不好是 謝謝委員吹詢好 謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席那我們是不是有請經濟部郭部長跟國發會高副主委謝謝我們請部長跟副主委謝謝委員好部長\n我想這個NVIDIA黃仁勳那他宣告了要在台灣來做他的海外總部那這個海外總部我想代表了一個意義除了說他是一個NVIDIA在台灣落地要在這裡開始\n發展他的事業之外最重要的是黃仁勛他講的他未來NVIDIA已經不是只是一個科技公司他會變成AI的基礎設施公司哇 這個宣告就很大了因為所謂AI的基礎設施他包括說從過去傳統的CPU之外以後我們的要發展更多的GPU TPU甚至我們要有更好的儲存系統過去都是放在電腦裡面\n現在可能要透過雲端的儲存來有更多的網路的運算而且這個運算必須要高寬頻必須要低延遲這都是整個AI基礎設施最關鍵的地方實際上黃仁勳做這樣的一個宣告之後我馬上就注意到5月19號\n馬來西亞他也馬上宣告他要以華為的晶片為核心然後發展所謂馬來西亞國家級的AI基礎設施所以看起來馬來西亞大概就是他也有他的一個\n整體的戰略的佈局而且這個戰略佈局大概會跟黃仁勳在台灣要組的AI基礎設施這看起來就有點壁壘分明了因為我們黃仁勳NVIDIA是以台積電的晶片為主所以部長你怎麼看這樣國際情勢這樣世界科技的競爭那台灣未來的一個角色呢是啊 報告委員我想這個全球來看\n在AI的這個領域裡面當然最大的就是美國那中國的AI當然是在目前來看排名是第二名那華為當然是中國最大的半導體機構那今天這個\n黃榮勳先生來台灣那麼建立他的這個這個大的這個基地啊海外的基地在台北主要是看上我們的人才主要是看上台灣的這個人才以及台灣在這個半導體供應鏈充分的這樣的一個架構那我相信這個馬來西亞他站在這個這個\n對立面啦可以講說它對立面當然就跟壁壘分明了嘛一個是以華為晶片為主的一個我們NVIDIA是以台積電的晶片啦這個就有一點是不一樣的走向了所以現在就是競爭的開始欸競爭的開始但是我們台灣呢是這個A組加A組啦那他們是這個B組加B組我們台灣有最強的整個AI的供應鏈嘛都在台灣所以我們是最強的一組啊但是我覺得在這個時候我們進步很重要\n部長我們是不是要當黃仁勳未來在台灣整體布局的一個靠山這沒問題吧我們現在不僅是做NVIDIA的靠山我們是做台積電的靠山\n台積電的靠山台積電是世界最強的半導體公司沒有錯由台積電製造出來的晶片支持全球所有的AI的伺服器那麼這個算力基本上來自於AI伺服器的精算的能耐\n我相信沒有世界沒有任何一個地方可以比台灣更優秀可以比台灣更優秀所以可以看得出來當他把這個研發中心跟運作中心設立在台北的時候世界各地的數位牧民大概也會聚集到台南數位牧民嘛\n所以現在我們也要處理這個外國人才的一個讓他招攬進來那也是強調怎麼讓數位慕名讓他可以很快速的落腳台灣這個都要做但是我還有幾個方向事實上我在這裡提出一些看法我覺得部長應該要來參考第一就是我們在發展AI基礎設施這個很多是科技產業自己要跳下去做那政府可以做什麼第一個就是在\n在這個租稅上的一個優惠讓這些科技產業更有競爭力這是第一個第二個因為馬來西亞他結合華為晶片要發展他們國家級的這個AI基礎設施我們台灣呢\n台灣一樣要面對這件事情那所以我們這一次跟美國的一個談判在這90天中我們必須要盯緊馬來西亞的稅率跟我們稅率的差距不要因為稅率的差距變成我們未來在做競爭時候的一些小劣勢\n是的,我會參考這個委員的這個訊息所以盯緊馬來西亞他們跟美國的這一個關稅的台灣一定要這一點一定要注意好是的那第三個就是說因為黃仁勳有講他說他所需要的晶片\n就是台積電COWAS的晶片尤其現在最新的COWAS L所以黃仁勳都講了說他想像不到除了COWAS以外沒有其他選擇這是黃仁勳講的那我們也知道現在整個COWAS的一個佈局在\n嘉義的科學園區正在大概今年九月第一個廠就好了所以整個台積電COWAS的布局跟未來黃仁勳所要發展的AI基礎設施他在台灣的NVIDIA的未來的帝國的一個產生這一個COWAS的一個基地就很重要\n那所謂KOWAS 嘉義這一個 呃 嘉科的KOWAS又來自於高雄 台南他們生產的一個晶片所以咧 這部分就要講給國發會聽所以就是說 怎樣把整個南部交通的串聯 有夠重要\n所以我們在說的高鐵橋下的道路台37線怎麼把所謂S郎大S郎大再擴大到嘉義這一段就是連接到了把所有的科學園區透過一條產業道路直接把它串聯起來這件事就是要緊加速加速這一條產業道路的建設第二個\n第二個因應未來NVIDIA在台灣要建立帝國要有很多科技的人才國際的人才要來台灣國際的人才要來台灣但是台灣的空運不管是客運或是貨運太過依賴桃園機場尤其是在貨運的部分95.9%的貨運都是依賴桃園機場\n第二個 高雄小館機場才佔1.79%所以你可以想像 萬一在航空機場塌下的時候他們的飛機出現一些小狀況他們塌下 我這裡的東西跑不進來\n所以我們現在要趕快打造台灣另外一個以貨運為中心以貨運為概念的國際機場這件事我覺得這當然不是經濟部經濟部應該站在整個科技產業的佈局這件事應該在你們在行政院會報的時候都必須要拿出來講那國發會則無盤帶你們必須要趕快去建造台灣的貨運那不能夠單單\n依賴桃園機場 一間來走好不好 來我們現在了解的程度是交通部在高雄推動雙港高雄在推動雙港 但是高雄高雄空港跟高雄海港沒有錯 沒有錯 這個都是一些計畫所以既然有這些計畫要怎麼加速那如果高雄因為又有宵禁的問題是不是還有其他地點來選擇這都要經過討論 是 好不好好 當然我們嘉義 我們水上機場也是一個\n因為如果是以貨運為導向的我們並不是說這個要看客運來支撐但是如果以貨運的話嘉義的水上機場也是一個考量的因為剛剛就講的未來的NVIDIA晶片與CoreOS晶片沒有其他選擇那嘉義也是在這整個科技的世界大戰裡面我們佔有一席之地\n整個政府 要來通盤的一個考量做NVIDIA 做台積電的後盾跟靠山 好不好是 謝謝委員吹詢好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.442 --> 00:17.750\n好謝謝主席那我們是不是有請經濟部郭部長跟國發會高副主委謝謝我們請部長跟副主委謝謝委員好部長\n\n00:24.389 --> 00:42.011\n我想這個NVIDIA黃仁勳那他宣告了要在台灣來做他的海外總部那這個海外總部我想代表了一個意義除了說他是一個NVIDIA在台灣落地要在這裡開始\n\n00:43.773 --> 01:09.894\n發展他的事業之外最重要的是黃仁勛他講的他未來NVIDIA已經不是只是一個科技公司他會變成AI的基礎設施公司哇這個宣告就很大了因為所謂AI的基礎設施他包括說從過去傳統的CPU之外以後我們的要發展更多的GPUTPU甚至我們要有更好的儲存系統過去都是放在電腦裡面\n\n01:11.195 --> 01:29.022\n現在可能要透過雲端的儲存來有更多的網路的運算而且這個運算必須要高寬頻必須要低延遲這都是整個AI基礎設施最關鍵的地方實際上黃仁勳做這樣的一個宣告之後我馬上就注意到5月19號\n\n01:31.122 --> 01:45.472\n馬來西亞他也馬上宣告他要以華為的晶片為核心然後發展所謂馬來西亞國家級的AI基礎設施所以看起來馬來西亞大概就是他也有他的一個\n\n01:46.272 --> 02:09.248\n整體的戰略的佈局而且這個戰略佈局大概會跟黃仁勳在台灣要組的AI基礎設施這看起來就有點壁壘分明了因為我們黃仁勳NVIDIA是以台積電的晶片為主所以部長你怎麼看這樣國際情勢這樣世界科技的競爭那台灣未來的一個角色呢是啊報告委員我想這個全球來看\n\n02:11.910 --> 02:26.175\n在AI的這個領域裡面當然最大的就是美國那中國的AI當然是在目前來看排名是第二名那華為當然是中國最大的半導體機構那今天這個\n\n02:29.237 --> 02:46.492\n黃榮勳先生來台灣那麼建立他的這個這個大的這個基地啊海外的基地在台北主要是看上我們的人才主要是看上台灣的這個人才以及台灣在這個半導體供應鏈充分的這樣的一個架構那我相信這個馬來西亞他站在這個這個\n\n02:52.310 --> 03:21.650\n對立面啦可以講說它對立面當然就跟壁壘分明了嘛一個是以華為晶片為主的一個我們NVIDIA是以台積電的晶片啦這個就有一點是不一樣的走向了所以現在就是競爭的開始欸競爭的開始但是我們台灣呢是這個A組加A組啦那他們是這個B組加B組我們台灣有最強的整個AI的供應鏈嘛都在台灣所以我們是最強的一組啊但是我覺得在這個時候我們進步很重要\n\n03:22.410 --> 03:36.506\n部長我們是不是要當黃仁勳未來在台灣整體布局的一個靠山這沒問題吧我們現在不僅是做NVIDIA的靠山我們是做台積電的靠山\n\n03:37.807 --> 03:53.860\n台積電的靠山台積電是世界最強的半導體公司沒有錯由台積電製造出來的晶片支持全球所有的AI的伺服器那麼這個算力基本上來自於AI伺服器的精算的能耐\n\n03:54.580 --> 04:12.498\n我相信沒有世界沒有任何一個地方可以比台灣更優秀可以比台灣更優秀所以可以看得出來當他把這個研發中心跟運作中心設立在台北的時候世界各地的數位牧民大概也會聚集到台南數位牧民嘛\n\n04:12.918 --> 04:19.143\n所以現在我們也要處理這個外國人才的一個讓他招攬進來那也是強調怎麼讓數位慕名讓他可以很快速的落腳台灣這個都要做但是我還有幾個方向事實上我在這裡提出一些看法我覺得部長應該要來參考第一就是我們在發展AI基礎設施這個很多是科技產業自己要跳下去做那政府可以做什麼第一個就是在\n\n04:40.519 --> 04:49.230\n在這個租稅上的一個優惠讓這些科技產業更有競爭力這是第一個第二個因為馬來西亞他結合華為晶片要發展他們國家級的這個AI基礎設施我們台灣呢\n\n04:55.438 --> 05:12.837\n台灣一樣要面對這件事情那所以我們這一次跟美國的一個談判在這90天中我們必須要盯緊馬來西亞的稅率跟我們稅率的差距不要因為稅率的差距變成我們未來在做競爭時候的一些小劣勢\n\n05:13.857 --> 05:29.706\n是的,我會參考這個委員的這個訊息所以盯緊馬來西亞他們跟美國的這一個關稅的台灣一定要這一點一定要注意好是的那第三個就是說因為黃仁勳有講他說他所需要的晶片\n\n05:30.606 --> 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