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00:02:30,491\n就經濟部的立場目前會遵照這個原則來做處理嗎是的一定的一定喔部長那我想我們大家都在關心這個目前這個運轉40年的這個河山廠的機組到底能不能安全運轉我想請台電的副總目前你們的評估狀況怎麼樣\n\n7\n00:02:33,388 --> 00:02:57,163\n跟委員報告,即便全世界所有的核能機組有研議運轉了40年都必須要停下來做所有的神聖的安全的檢查之後核廢料你們可以處理嗎?對核廢料可以處理嗎?現在核三廠的燃料池的漆子也將近滿了我們預估如果它即便能夠再重新再重啟的話大概只能夠維持大概是3到4年左右的空間而已\n\n8\n00:02:57,483 --> 00:03:18,118\n是啊所以我在這邊還是要要求我們經濟部跟台電相關單位那我要講清楚啦不要隨著這個藍白立委一定要亂講那我們的回答總是似是而非我覺得這樣非常的不負責任我們到底未來這個走向要怎麼樣我們都尊重這樣一個機制運作但是不是藉由一個\n\n9\n00:03:19,219 --> 00:03:31,476\n隨便一個公投其他公共就會要重啟我覺得我們不能夠接受這樣的論調那部長我想剛剛很多委員都在關心我們的能源政策那我知道部長都很用心所以我想\n\n10\n00:03:33,055 --> 00:03:58,608\n我們還是希望能夠積極去發展再生能源這一塊我想這部長應該也是一直在努力但是目前我們的2025年要達到的20%的比例目前大概有些許的一個落後未來我們怎麼樣來積極來努力是報告委員我想我們從這個再生能源四個構面去努力包括風電包括太陽能包括水利包括地熱所以我們會在2026年的11月\n\n11\n00:04:01,851 --> 00:04:03,618\n來打標再生能源20%\n\n12\n00:04:05,407 --> 00:04:31,941\n但是我還是要提醒部長部長因為我們有些的案子都必須跨部會來整合包含農電也好漁電也好甚至這個風力發電很多的案子但是跨部會整合上面我們總是聽到有些界面上處理上各部會有各部會的想法跟堅持所以造成這個推進上有一些的阻礙那部長是不是可以承諾來協助解決這些問題我們現在在加強做這個協商\n\n13\n00:04:32,941 --> 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部長那我想我們核三廠二號基因在今年5月17號我們依法除役這個是我們照這個相關的法規核安統法的法規但是很遺憾的藍白委員藉由這個修改核管法甚至這個也藉由這個公投案\n重啟了這個核三廠的一個恢復運轉的一個公投案用全國人的一個公投案來決定我們屏東人的這個生命財產的安全我個人非常不能夠接受啦我想部長也是屏東人部長那賴總統也講得很清楚這個我們核電的議題政府會遵照兩個必須跟三個原則來審慎處理\n那第一個就是核安會必須依據依法來訂定一個安全審查的一個程序第二個台電也必須依這個程序自主評估有沒有重啟的條件跟成本的效應那三個原則更重要的就是要核安無虞核非料有解社會共識部長\n就經濟部的立場目前會遵照這個原則來做處理嗎是的一定的一定喔部長那我想我們大家都在關心這個目前這個運轉40年的這個河山廠的機組到底能不能安全運轉我想請台電的副總目前你們的評估狀況怎麼樣\n跟委員報告,即便全世界所有的核能機組有研議運轉了40年都必須要停下來做所有的神聖的安全的檢查之後核廢料你們可以處理嗎?對核廢料可以處理嗎?現在核三廠的燃料池的漆子也將近滿了我們預估如果它即便能夠再重新再重啟的話大概只能夠維持大概是3到4年左右的空間而已\n是啊 所以我在這邊還是要要求我們經濟部跟台電相關單位那我要講清楚啦不要隨著這個藍白立委一定要亂講那我們的回答總是似是而非我覺得這樣非常的不負責任我們到底未來這個走向要怎麼樣我們都尊重這樣一個機制運作但是不是藉由一個\n隨便一個公投 其他公共就會要重啟 我覺得我們不能夠接受這樣的論調那部長我想剛剛很多委員都在關心我們的能源政策那我知道部長都很用心所以我想\n我們還是希望能夠積極去發展再生能源這一塊我想這部長應該也是一直在努力但是目前我們的2025年要達到的20%的比例目前大概有些許的一個落後未來我們怎麼樣來積極來努力是 報告委員我想我們從這個再生能源四個構面去努力包括風電 包括太陽能包括水利 包括地熱所以我們會在2026年的11月\n來打標 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01:29.535\n電不是我的這個專長所以這個各位委員的這個意見我們都尊重好部長那我想我們核三廠二號基因在今年5月17號我們依法除役這個是我們照這個相關的法規核安統法的法規但是很遺憾的藍白委員藉由這個修改核管法甚至這個也藉由這個公投案\n\n01:30.177 --> 01:52.168\n重啟了這個核三廠的一個恢復運轉的一個公投案用全國人的一個公投案來決定我們屏東人的這個生命財產的安全我個人非常不能夠接受啦我想部長也是屏東人部長那賴總統也講得很清楚這個我們核電的議題政府會遵照兩個必須跟三個原則來審慎處理\n\n01:53.905 --> 02:10.921\n那第一個就是核安會必須依據依法來訂定一個安全審查的一個程序第二個台電也必須依這個程序自主評估有沒有重啟的條件跟成本的效應那三個原則更重要的就是要核安無虞核非料有解社會共識部長\n\n02:13.183 --> 02:30.491\n就經濟部的立場目前會遵照這個原則來做處理嗎是的一定的一定喔部長那我想我們大家都在關心這個目前這個運轉40年的這個河山廠的機組到底能不能安全運轉我想請台電的副總目前你們的評估狀況怎麼樣\n\n02:33.388 --> 02:57.163\n跟委員報告,即便全世界所有的核能機組有研議運轉了40年都必須要停下來做所有的神聖的安全的檢查之後核廢料你們可以處理嗎?對核廢料可以處理嗎?現在核三廠的燃料池的漆子也將近滿了我們預估如果它即便能夠再重新再重啟的話大概只能夠維持大概是3到4年左右的空間而已\n\n02:57.483 --> 03:18.118\n是啊所以我在這邊還是要要求我們經濟部跟台電相關單位那我要講清楚啦不要隨著這個藍白立委一定要亂講那我們的回答總是似是而非我覺得這樣非常的不負責任我們到底未來這個走向要怎麼樣我們都尊重這樣一個機制運作但是不是藉由一個\n\n03:19.219 --> 03:31.476\n隨便一個公投其他公共就會要重啟我覺得我們不能夠接受這樣的論調那部長我想剛剛很多委員都在關心我們的能源政策那我知道部長都很用心所以我想\n\n03:33.055 --> 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