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00:02:57,571\n我很高興今年有出來但是我也很意外因為跟我想的不太一樣我從你們公布的這個事辦計畫的內容我看到什麼呢我看到說要辦原住民傳統名字查調部落族語文化樂舞及傳統體育活動部落及毗鄰區域自然資源調查巡護管理部落產業的規劃推動傳統建築文化地景及公共事業一共八項\n\n8\n00:02:59,192 --> 00:03:14,428\n這八項都很好沒有不好但是我覺得跟我們想像的部落公法人不太一樣因為為什麼我們需要部落公法人他是一個工具我舉個例子像我們的雅尼我們怎麼去談\n\n9\n00:03:15,609 --> 00:03:35,981\n我們這些要水利發電的電廠我們怎麼跟他談光電的地熱的我們怎麼跟他談我光是講一個最簡單的我們文化發展中心我們每一年因為使用了北業村的土地你們有給他們這個所謂的補償金50萬但是他是被放入鄉公所\n\n10\n00:03:37,031 --> 00:03:56,708\n不是直接給北葉村讓他授意因為他沒有部落公法人我再舉個簡單的例子很多我們的狩獵自主團體他必須要去打一個行政契約可是他想跟縣政府打縣政府不願意他也沒轍因為他不是部落公法人\n\n11\n00:03:57,449 --> 00:04:07,252\n所以部落工法人這個工具非常的重要那我是本來想說目前有很多的部落正在面臨這種開發問題等等的時候可以找他們來試辦部落工法人計劃那我們也可以去透過沙盒計劃把一些在我們的法律框架下會遇到的阻礙我們要把它盤整出來\n\n12\n00:04:21,255 --> 00:04:49,424\n那讓他順利的推動以後我們就可以呢去進行擴大辦理甚至是法制化的規劃那我覺得也沒有關係我們已經上路所以第一個部分我就希望主委今年年底原民會說要辦理成果說明及檢討那我是希望說至少明年度擴大辦理讓有需要的人來提出訂定一個犯法那第二個不要忘記我們這個就是為了法制化的規劃\n\n13\n00:04:50,444 --> 00:05:12,744\n主委可以嗎可以好那謝謝齁那第二個部分呢我來關心元寶條例為什麼我關心元寶條例我在這個會期我也去經過我們卓院長的一個質詢齁我跟他講說其實元寶條例很重要因為我們就有看到前陣子的新聞出來在苗栗泰安鄉\n\n14\n00:05:14,065 --> 00:05:28,098\n大家都很嘩然啊喔原來900萬就可以去抵押2億去設定抵押權2億那到底是怎麼一回事我們都很清楚知道這個就是長期以來的鑑明登記\n\n15\n00:05:29,139 --> 00:05:51,713\n那如果查出背後有中資那更不得了因為目前我們的兩岸人民關係條例也好我們的所有的條例都沒有辦法去查出背後是誰所以在這個部分你們有在5月21號齁昨天有給我一個函附齁說你們元寶地目前清查進度有了但是我看不到元寶條例的目前進度\n\n16\n00:05:52,714 --> 00:05:56,738\n那我是在想因為原開辦法你們也已經在3月5號做修正那原開辦法我們就是希望它未來能夠成為原保條例那這個當中也是引起嘩然因為你們的新辦法說未來的分配計畫要由縣市政府來核定\n\n17\n00:06:09,449 --> 00:06:33,427\n而且呢增加了一個但書去做一個限制申請人的資格所以我們也接到很多的陳情特別是很多人他已經完成公告核定那面臨這個新法舊法又沒有一個公告期他也不知道要怎麼辦但是主委我在這邊我只有一個想法冤有頭債有主我們不能夠為了防弊去損害人民的權利\n\n18\n00:06:34,548 --> 00:06:52,485\n我們要防弊的是不是那些審查的委員核定的人我們不能夠把這樣的一個防弊加諸在損害人民的權益上面所以我希望這個部分一週內可以到辦公室報告看看怎麼樣去處理那第三題我特別想要來謝謝您因為在5月19號前幾天謝謝您的支持跟農糧署\n\n19\n00:06:58,871 --> 00:07:15,743\n謝謝你們願意在九月份讓我們的國產部落小米進入到全國的營養午餐那也很感謝我們的團善業者他們願意共襄盛舉來處理這個五六月學生營養午餐的部分那這個就是我講的\n\n20\n00:07:17,236 --> 00:07:33,446\n我們原民會要有上位思考你看我做立法委員我第一年進來我就一直跟林務局林保署說獎勵趙琳必須要縮短年限要增加補助額度那我相信他們九月也即將公告\n\n21\n00:07:34,346 --> 00:07:40,687\n第二個我也覺得既然照領獎勵提高禁法補償因應也要跟著提高才不會失衡那也很謝謝我們通過雖然呢一直有很多人製造恐慌但是我從來沒有恐慌因為會做的事政府就是會做我不需要去恐慌那我們就等著九月那第三個就是高山農業\n\n22\n00:07:56,491 --> 00:08:19,112\n那高山農業很重要所以呢我也一直在跟我們的農業部一直在討論怎麼恢復我們的高山農業因為它是一個解植土地最重要的一個歷程我們不知道以前梨山可以種水梨但是現在有茶有水梨有高麗菜都不是我們這個土地本來長的植物那我很謝謝你那天說了一句很重要的話\n\n23\n00:08:19,953 --> 00:08:37,224\n要有人吃才有人種有人種才會有量有量才會主流化才會有產業主流化之後文化就會活起來所以原民會你是否願意跟農糧署就是針對這一些我們現在沒有量所以價格壓不下來你們願不願意跟農糧署農糧署已經答應我了你願不願意一起來支持獎勵種植小米\n\n24\n00:08:43,307 --> 00:09:05,478\n那第四個部分我想要爭取無人機的就業計畫無人機我也是質詢過很多年那您也知道它的重要性但是呢我們現在碰到一個問題因為民航局他要的證照不是我們質詢一次就可以領到他至少要三次以上才有辦法得到那個真正去噴灑農藥或者是載運藥物等等的那種執照所以呢現在\n\n25\n00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:38,889\n我們勞動部執訓局他已經願意了只要能夠在每一次的結訓對應到我們的就業的項目他們這個KPI能夠交代的過去他們就願意來做那現在園民會你是不是願意將這個無人機飛手的這些相關的人力需求去盤點園民會可以提供的機會例如我們的檢測人員啊巡山員啊看災的時候的救護員等等園民會是不是願意來規劃\n\n26\n00:09:40,162 --> 00:09:55,004\n好這個我們執信已經納入了好那我要特別提醒我其實去盤點勞動部執訓這些年為我們原住民做的不是農業就是觀光就是傳統文化勞作等等我希望原民會要有一個想法\n\n27\n00:09:55,865 --> 00:10:10,304\n我們要與時俱進我們要多開一些好的能夠跟新的產業結合的要不然我們很容易被邊緣化那第五個部分就是關於力領人才的培訓那這個部分我知道我們的那個\n\n28\n00:10:12,766 --> 00:10:36,831\n處長他已經很認真已經有去就探盤查探驗證的人才跟一些大學像中山大學已經有去開班但是我希望你們跟環境部因為環境部已經答應我可以在每個縣市來針對原住民就近開設專班但是我要問原民會你願不願意跟環境部一起合作來開設這種原住民綠頂人才的培育專班\n\n29\n00:10:37,651 --> 00:10:41,735\n這沒有問題我們會跟他們一起來做好謝謝那第六個部分就是今天有原基法的一個提案修法版本我也有其實我在去年的四月也就是第一會期我就把八月一號原住民族日跟我們的歲時計一架我放到我們的原基法\n\n30\n00:10:57,710 --> 00:11:09,766\n讓他能夠有法源依據而不要呢在那個地方去跟人家去爭但是現在碎石記憶架被誤會的很嚴重我必須要講因為我也有跟原民會講過確實我們不要去看那個數字因為當時\n\n31\n00:11:14,352 --> 00:11:42,702\n是因為八八風災有所謂的八百壯士很多的多元人力就業還有很多政府這幾年的計劃去把這個地方工作權保障去壓住我們所謂的失業率但是我們不能夠忘記確實很多的族人很擔心也確實很多的族人他可能他未來老闆在禁用人員的時候他一想到原住民他就不想用了從哪裡可以看你們的貸金越來越多一年比一年多\n\n32\n00:11:43,422 --> 00:12:01,637\n也就是企業他寧可繳代金他也不願意經用原住民人員那我的意思是說很好現在我們就是要來爭取原民會我之前謝謝你們有做原地的即時就業計畫那勞動部的缺工獎勵也同意納入原住民我現在要問原民會是不是應該\n\n33\n00:12:02,758 --> 00:12:19,749\n從你們的代金一樣錢從哪裡來人家不願意用用繳代金我們來用代金去創造更多的誘因給我們的雇主可以嗎可以不要讓我們的族人去上班很擔心很害怕那第七個就是教保員的部分\n\n34\n00:12:20,169 --> 00:12:39,963\n我這幾年已經幫忙很多次但是我只講一句話因為時間已經到了不要每一次來澄清我覺得很辛苦民民互助教保中心跟澄清市都是一樣在做公共化的服務不論薪資不論人員不論權益是不是應該把他們逐步調整一起可以嗎\n\n35\n00:12:40,923 --> 00:13:06,431\n這個已經挑釁好了對那謝謝你們以後就不要再來問他們問這種問題那最後就是我關心的知識體系一直到最後的課綱教材我希望一條龍的計畫這個我已經開很多次協調會教育部國教署國教院國科會中研院我全部都協調過了那我也看到你們都有共識我們可不可以原住民是在跟時間賽跑啊我們把它做一計畫一條龍好嗎可以\n\n36\n00:13:08,211 --> 00:13:28,649\n那謝謝那我也希望這個部分我們一起來努力那污水道系統內政部已經同意規劃設計費600萬這是政府的錯他把全國的永久污他用都市計畫的污水道的方式來處理造成我們怨聲載道那現在很高興內政部願意出600萬設計規劃原民會你們願意說多少\n\n37\n00:13:32,092 --> 00:13:55,853\n願意就是我們他們內政部已經沒有什麼意見我們會繼續核定規劃升級會在2000萬左右OK那環境部已經表明這個不符合他那我請主委你應該要去跟縣政府溝通可以嗎那以上九個議題希望園民會兩週內能夠提出報告或者到辦公室說明好謝謝主委謝謝各位處長謝謝主席好謝謝吳立華委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7741\t25968\t謝謝主席有請原民會主委曾主委有請主委好主委好今天我想要問的議題蠻多的一共有九個議題所以時間有限之下希望就是很簡短的回答可以不可以願不願意配合好不好好\n27228\t37699\t那第一個部分呢我跟大家一樣我要來關心我們的原基法原住民自治還有部落工法人為什麼因為我在去年院會總諮詢的時候有特別提到今年2025年是我們的原基法20年\n46087\t62113\t所以呢我很希望至少原住民自治也好部落工法人也好至少能夠有一個推進那當時呢我給我們的卓院長看了一個20秒的影片現在我們再來重複看一下沒有聲音\n83182\t109450\t抱歉喔 聲音出不來 有文字好這位 做過鄉長 做過校長 做過議員八十幾歲的老人家他講完這段話之後呢 一個禮拜他就因為 意外過世齁那個主委 當時你有在現場有你應該很清楚這段話是\n111835\t129346\t這個做過地方政府這麼多行政工作的老人家齊老長老他非常非常感慨的說希望部落工法人要上路而且他覺得如果我還有機會當選四年至少能夠做到這一項就好\n130186\t147451\t所以我当时我有提到我希望原民会行政院可以做到第一个定定部落公法人的设置条例第二个拟定草案并办理分区座谈第三拟定三年期部落公法人的沙盒计划选定事办点办理\n148291\t177571\t我很高興今年有出來但是我也很意外因為跟我想的不太一樣我從你們公布的這個事辦計畫的內容我看到什麼呢我看到說要辦原住民傳統名字查調部落族語文化樂舞及傳統體育活動部落及毗鄰區域自然資源調查巡護管理部落產業的規劃推動傳統建築文化地景及公共事業一共八項\n179192\t194428\t這八項都很好沒有不好但是我覺得跟我們想像的部落公法人不太一樣因為為什麼我們需要部落公法人他是一個工具我舉個例子像我們的雅尼我們怎麼去談\n195609\t215981\t我們這些要水利發電的電廠我們怎麼跟他談光電的地熱的我們怎麼跟他談我光是講一個最簡單的我們文化發展中心我們每一年因為使用了北業村的土地你們有給他們這個所謂的補償金50萬但是他是被放入鄉公所\n217031\t236708\t不是直接給北葉村讓他授意因為他沒有部落公法人我再舉個簡單的例子很多我們的狩獵自主團體他必須要去打一個行政契約可是他想跟縣政府打縣政府不願意他也沒轍因為他不是部落公法人\n237449\t247252\t所以部落工法人這個工具非常的重要那我是本來想說目前有很多的部落正在面臨這種開發問題等等的時候可以找他們來試辦部落工法人計劃那我們也可以去透過沙盒計劃把一些在我們的法律框架下會遇到的阻礙我們要把它盤整出來\n261255\t289424\t那讓他順利的推動以後我們就可以呢去進行擴大辦理甚至是法制化的規劃那我覺得也沒有關係我們已經上路所以第一個部分我就希望主委今年年底原民會說要辦理成果說明及檢討那我是希望說至少明年度擴大辦理讓有需要的人來提出訂定一個犯法那第二個不要忘記我們這個就是為了法制化的規劃\n290444\t312744\t主委可以嗎可以好那謝謝齁那第二個部分呢我來關心元寶條例為什麼我關心元寶條例我在這個會期我也去經過我們卓院長的一個質詢齁我跟他講說其實元寶條例很重要因為我們就有看到前陣子的新聞出來在苗栗泰安鄉\n314065\t328098\t大家都很嘩然啊 喔原來900萬就可以去抵押2億去設定抵押權2億 那到底是怎麼一回事我們都很清楚知道 這個就是長期以來的鑑明登記\n329139\t351713\t那如果查出背後有中資那更不得了因為目前我們的兩岸人民關係條例也好我們的所有的條例都沒有辦法去查出背後是誰所以在這個部分你們有在5月21號齁昨天有給我一個函附齁說你們元寶地目前清查進度有了但是我看不到元寶條例的目前進度\n352714\t356738\t那我是在想因為原開辦法你們也已經在3月5號做修正那原開辦法我們就是希望它未來能夠成為原保條例那這個當中也是引起嘩然因為你們的新辦法說未來的分配計畫要由縣市政府來核定\n369449\t393427\t而且呢增加了一個但書去做一個限制申請人的資格所以我們也接到很多的陳情特別是很多人他已經完成公告核定那面臨這個新法舊法又沒有一個公告期他也不知道要怎麼辦但是主委我在這邊我只有一個想法冤有頭債有主我們不能夠為了防弊去損害人民的權利\n394548\t412485\t我們要防弊的是不是那些審查的委員 核定的人我們不能夠把這樣的一個防弊加諸在損害人民的權益上面所以我希望這個部分一週內可以到辦公室報告看看怎麼樣去處理那第三題我特別想要來謝謝您因為在5月19號前幾天謝謝您的支持跟農糧署\n418871\t435743\t謝謝你們願意在九月份讓我們的國產部落小米進入到全國的營養午餐那也很感謝我們的團善業者他們願意共襄盛舉來處理這個五六月學生營養午餐的部分那這個就是我講的\n437236\t453446\t我們原民會要有上位思考你看我做立法委員我第一年進來我就一直跟林務局林保署說獎勵趙琳必須要縮短年限要增加補助額度那我相信他們九月也即將公告\n454346\t460687\t第二個 我也覺得既然照領獎勵提高 禁法補償因應也要跟著提高 才不會失衡那也很謝謝我們通過 雖然呢一直有很多人製造恐慌但是我從來沒有恐慌 因為會做的事政府就是會做我不需要去恐慌 那我們就等著九月那第三個就是高山農業\n476491\t499112\t那高山農業很重要所以呢我也一直在跟我們的農業部一直在討論怎麼恢復我們的高山農業因為它是一個解植土地最重要的一個歷程我們不知道以前梨山可以種水梨但是現在有茶有水梨有高麗菜都不是我們這個土地本來長的植物那我很謝謝你那天說了一句很重要的話\n499953\t517224\t要有人吃才有人種 有人種才會有量有量才會主流化 才會有產業主流化之後文化就會活起來所以原民會你是否願意跟農糧署就是針對這一些我們現在沒有量所以價格壓不下來你們願不願意跟農糧署 農糧署已經答應我了你願不願意一起來支持獎勵種植小米\n523307\t545478\t那第四個部分我想要爭取無人機的就業計畫無人機我也是質詢過很多年那您也知道它的重要性但是呢我們現在碰到一個問題因為民航局他要的證照不是我們質詢一次就可以領到他至少要三次以上才有辦法得到那個真正去噴灑農藥或者是載運藥物等等的那種執照所以呢現在\n550160\t578889\t我們勞動部執訓局他已經願意了只要能夠在每一次的結訓對應到我們的就業的項目他們這個KPI能夠交代的過去他們就願意來做那現在園民會你是不是願意將這個無人機飛手的這些相關的人力需求去盤點園民會可以提供的機會例如我們的檢測人員啊巡山員啊看災的時候的救護員等等園民會是不是願意來規劃\n580162\t595004\t好 這個我們執信已經納入了好 那我要特別提醒我其實去盤點勞動部執訓這些年為我們原住民做的不是農業就是觀光就是傳統文化勞作等等我希望原民會要有一個想法\n595865\t610304\t我們要與時俱進我們要多開一些好的能夠跟新的產業結合的要不然我們很容易被邊緣化那第五個部分就是關於力領人才的培訓那這個部分我知道我們的那個\n612766\t636831\t處長他已經很認真已經有去就探盤查探驗證的人才跟一些大學像中山大學已經有去開班但是我希望你們跟環境部因為環境部已經答應我可以在每個縣市來針對原住民就近開設專班但是我要問原民會你願不願意跟環境部一起合作來開設這種原住民綠頂人才的培育專班\n637651\t641735\t這沒有問題 我們會跟他們一起來做好 謝謝那第六個部分就是今天有原基法的一個提案修法版本我也有其實我在去年的四月也就是第一會期我就把八月一號原住民族日跟我們的歲時計一架我放到我們的原基法\n657710\t669766\t讓他能夠有法源依據而不要呢在那個地方去跟人家去爭但是現在碎石記憶架被誤會的很嚴重我必須要講因為我也有跟原民會講過確實我們不要去看那個數字因為當時\n674352\t702702\t是因為八八風災有所謂的八百壯士很多的多元人力就業還有很多政府這幾年的計劃去把這個地方工作權保障去壓住我們所謂的失業率但是我們不能夠忘記確實很多的族人很擔心也確實很多的族人他可能他未來老闆在禁用人員的時候他一想到原住民他就不想用了從哪裡可以看你們的貸金越來越多一年比一年多\n703422\t721637\t也就是企業他寧可繳代金他也不願意經用原住民人員那我的意思是說很好現在我們就是要來爭取原民會我之前謝謝你們有做原地的即時就業計畫那勞動部的缺工獎勵也同意納入原住民我現在要問原民會是不是應該\n722758\t739749\t從你們的代金一樣錢從哪裡來人家不願意用用繳代金我們來用代金去創造更多的誘因給我們的雇主可以嗎可以不要讓我們的族人去上班很擔心很害怕那第七個就是教保員的部分\n740169\t759963\t我這幾年已經幫忙很多次但是我只講一句話因為時間已經到了不要每一次來澄清我覺得很辛苦民民互助教保中心跟澄清市都是一樣在做公共化的服務不論薪資不論人員不論權益是不是應該把他們逐步調整一起可以嗎\n760923\t786431\t這個已經挑釁好了對那謝謝你們以後就不要再來問他們問這種問題那最後就是我關心的知識體系一直到最後的課綱教材我希望一條龍的計畫這個我已經開很多次協調會教育部 國教署 國教院 國科會 中研院我全部都協調過了那我也看到你們都有共識我們可不可以原住民是在跟時間賽跑啊我們把它做一計畫一條龍好嗎可以\n788211\t808649\t那謝謝那我也希望這個部分我們一起來努力那污水道系統內政部已經同意規劃設計費600萬這是政府的錯他把全國的永久污他用都市計畫的污水道的方式來處理造成我們怨聲載道那現在很高興內政部願意出600萬設計規劃原民會你們願意說多少\n812092\t835853\t願意 就是我們他們內政部已經沒有什麼意見我們會繼續核定 規劃升級會在2000萬左右OK 那環境部已經表明這個不符合他那我請主委你應該要去跟縣政府溝通可以嗎那以上九個議題希望園民會兩週內能夠提出報告或者到辦公室說明好 謝謝主委 謝謝各位處長 謝謝主席好 謝謝吳立華委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請原民會主委曾主委有請主委好主委好今天我想要問的議題蠻多的一共有九個議題所以時間有限之下希望就是很簡短的回答可以不可以願不願意配合好不好好\n那第一個部分呢我跟大家一樣我要來關心我們的原基法原住民自治還有部落工法人為什麼因為我在去年院會總諮詢的時候有特別提到今年2025年是我們的原基法20年\n所以呢我很希望至少原住民自治也好部落工法人也好至少能夠有一個推進那當時呢我給我們的卓院長看了一個20秒的影片現在我們再來重複看一下沒有聲音\n抱歉喔 聲音出不來 有文字好這位 做過鄉長 做過校長 做過議員八十幾歲的老人家他講完這段話之後呢 一個禮拜他就因為 意外過世齁那個主委 當時你有在現場有你應該很清楚這段話是\n這個做過地方政府這麼多行政工作的老人家齊老長老他非常非常感慨的說希望部落工法人要上路而且他覺得如果我還有機會當選四年至少能夠做到這一項就好\n所以我当时我有提到我希望原民会行政院可以做到第一个定定部落公法人的设置条例第二个拟定草案并办理分区座谈第三拟定三年期部落公法人的沙盒计划选定事办点办理\n我很高興今年有出來但是我也很意外因為跟我想的不太一樣我從你們公布的這個事辦計畫的內容我看到什麼呢我看到說要辦原住民傳統名字查調部落族語文化樂舞及傳統體育活動部落及毗鄰區域自然資源調查巡護管理部落產業的規劃推動傳統建築文化地景及公共事業一共八項\n這八項都很好沒有不好但是我覺得跟我們想像的部落公法人不太一樣因為為什麼我們需要部落公法人他是一個工具我舉個例子像我們的雅尼我們怎麼去談\n我們這些要水利發電的電廠我們怎麼跟他談光電的地熱的我們怎麼跟他談我光是講一個最簡單的我們文化發展中心我們每一年因為使用了北業村的土地你們有給他們這個所謂的補償金50萬但是他是被放入鄉公所\n不是直接給北葉村讓他授意因為他沒有部落公法人我再舉個簡單的例子很多我們的狩獵自主團體他必須要去打一個行政契約可是他想跟縣政府打縣政府不願意他也沒轍因為他不是部落公法人\n所以部落工法人這個工具非常的重要那我是本來想說目前有很多的部落正在面臨這種開發問題等等的時候可以找他們來試辦部落工法人計劃那我們也可以去透過沙盒計劃把一些在我們的法律框架下會遇到的阻礙我們要把它盤整出來\n那讓他順利的推動以後我們就可以呢去進行擴大辦理甚至是法制化的規劃那我覺得也沒有關係我們已經上路所以第一個部分我就希望主委今年年底原民會說要辦理成果說明及檢討那我是希望說至少明年度擴大辦理讓有需要的人來提出訂定一個犯法那第二個不要忘記我們這個就是為了法制化的規劃\n主委可以嗎可以好那謝謝齁那第二個部分呢我來關心元寶條例為什麼我關心元寶條例我在這個會期我也去經過我們卓院長的一個質詢齁我跟他講說其實元寶條例很重要因為我們就有看到前陣子的新聞出來在苗栗泰安鄉\n大家都很嘩然啊 喔原來900萬就可以去抵押2億去設定抵押權2億 那到底是怎麼一回事我們都很清楚知道 這個就是長期以來的鑑明登記\n那如果查出背後有中資那更不得了因為目前我們的兩岸人民關係條例也好我們的所有的條例都沒有辦法去查出背後是誰所以在這個部分你們有在5月21號齁昨天有給我一個函附齁說你們元寶地目前清查進度有了但是我看不到元寶條例的目前進度\n那我是在想因為原開辦法你們也已經在3月5號做修正那原開辦法我們就是希望它未來能夠成為原保條例那這個當中也是引起嘩然因為你們的新辦法說未來的分配計畫要由縣市政府來核定\n而且呢增加了一個但書去做一個限制申請人的資格所以我們也接到很多的陳情特別是很多人他已經完成公告核定那面臨這個新法舊法又沒有一個公告期他也不知道要怎麼辦但是主委我在這邊我只有一個想法冤有頭債有主我們不能夠為了防弊去損害人民的權利\n我們要防弊的是不是那些審查的委員 核定的人我們不能夠把這樣的一個防弊加諸在損害人民的權益上面所以我希望這個部分一週內可以到辦公室報告看看怎麼樣去處理那第三題我特別想要來謝謝您因為在5月19號前幾天謝謝您的支持跟農糧署\n謝謝你們願意在九月份讓我們的國產部落小米進入到全國的營養午餐那也很感謝我們的團善業者他們願意共襄盛舉來處理這個五六月學生營養午餐的部分那這個就是我講的\n我們原民會要有上位思考你看我做立法委員我第一年進來我就一直跟林務局林保署說獎勵趙琳必須要縮短年限要增加補助額度那我相信他們九月也即將公告\n第二個 我也覺得既然照領獎勵提高 禁法補償因應也要跟著提高 才不會失衡那也很謝謝我們通過 雖然呢一直有很多人製造恐慌但是我從來沒有恐慌 因為會做的事政府就是會做我不需要去恐慌 那我們就等著九月那第三個就是高山農業\n那高山農業很重要所以呢我也一直在跟我們的農業部一直在討論怎麼恢復我們的高山農業因為它是一個解植土地最重要的一個歷程我們不知道以前梨山可以種水梨但是現在有茶有水梨有高麗菜都不是我們這個土地本來長的植物那我很謝謝你那天說了一句很重要的話\n要有人吃才有人種 有人種才會有量有量才會主流化 才會有產業主流化之後文化就會活起來所以原民會你是否願意跟農糧署就是針對這一些我們現在沒有量所以價格壓不下來你們願不願意跟農糧署 農糧署已經答應我了你願不願意一起來支持獎勵種植小米\n那第四個部分我想要爭取無人機的就業計畫無人機我也是質詢過很多年那您也知道它的重要性但是呢我們現在碰到一個問題因為民航局他要的證照不是我們質詢一次就可以領到他至少要三次以上才有辦法得到那個真正去噴灑農藥或者是載運藥物等等的那種執照所以呢現在\n我們勞動部執訓局他已經願意了只要能夠在每一次的結訓對應到我們的就業的項目他們這個KPI能夠交代的過去他們就願意來做那現在園民會你是不是願意將這個無人機飛手的這些相關的人力需求去盤點園民會可以提供的機會例如我們的檢測人員啊巡山員啊看災的時候的救護員等等園民會是不是願意來規劃\n好 這個我們執信已經納入了好 那我要特別提醒我其實去盤點勞動部執訓這些年為我們原住民做的不是農業就是觀光就是傳統文化勞作等等我希望原民會要有一個想法\n我們要與時俱進我們要多開一些好的能夠跟新的產業結合的要不然我們很容易被邊緣化那第五個部分就是關於力領人才的培訓那這個部分我知道我們的那個\n處長他已經很認真已經有去就探盤查探驗證的人才跟一些大學像中山大學已經有去開班但是我希望你們跟環境部因為環境部已經答應我可以在每個縣市來針對原住民就近開設專班但是我要問原民會你願不願意跟環境部一起合作來開設這種原住民綠頂人才的培育專班\n這沒有問題 我們會跟他們一起來做好 謝謝那第六個部分就是今天有原基法的一個提案修法版本我也有其實我在去年的四月也就是第一會期我就把八月一號原住民族日跟我們的歲時計一架我放到我們的原基法\n讓他能夠有法源依據而不要呢在那個地方去跟人家去爭但是現在碎石記憶架被誤會的很嚴重我必須要講因為我也有跟原民會講過確實我們不要去看那個數字因為當時\n是因為八八風災有所謂的八百壯士很多的多元人力就業還有很多政府這幾年的計劃去把這個地方工作權保障去壓住我們所謂的失業率但是我們不能夠忘記確實很多的族人很擔心也確實很多的族人他可能他未來老闆在禁用人員的時候他一想到原住民他就不想用了從哪裡可以看你們的貸金越來越多一年比一年多\n也就是企業他寧可繳代金他也不願意經用原住民人員那我的意思是說很好現在我們就是要來爭取原民會我之前謝謝你們有做原地的即時就業計畫那勞動部的缺工獎勵也同意納入原住民我現在要問原民會是不是應該\n從你們的代金一樣錢從哪裡來人家不願意用用繳代金我們來用代金去創造更多的誘因給我們的雇主可以嗎可以不要讓我們的族人去上班很擔心很害怕那第七個就是教保員的部分\n我這幾年已經幫忙很多次但是我只講一句話因為時間已經到了不要每一次來澄清我覺得很辛苦民民互助教保中心跟澄清市都是一樣在做公共化的服務不論薪資不論人員不論權益是不是應該把他們逐步調整一起可以嗎\n這個已經挑釁好了對那謝謝你們以後就不要再來問他們問這種問題那最後就是我關心的知識體系一直到最後的課綱教材我希望一條龍的計畫這個我已經開很多次協調會教育部 國教署 國教院 國科會 中研院我全部都協調過了那我也看到你們都有共識我們可不可以原住民是在跟時間賽跑啊我們把它做一計畫一條龍好嗎可以\n那謝謝那我也希望這個部分我們一起來努力那污水道系統內政部已經同意規劃設計費600萬這是政府的錯他把全國的永久污他用都市計畫的污水道的方式來處理造成我們怨聲載道那現在很高興內政部願意出600萬設計規劃原民會你們願意說多少\n願意 就是我們他們內政部已經沒有什麼意見我們會繼續核定 規劃升級會在2000萬左右OK 那環境部已經表明這個不符合他那我請主委你應該要去跟縣政府溝通可以嗎那以上九個議題希望園民會兩週內能夠提出報告或者到辦公室說明好 謝謝主委 謝謝各位處長 謝謝主席好 謝謝吳立華委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.741 --> 00:25.968\n謝謝主席有請原民會主委曾主委有請主委好主委好今天我想要問的議題蠻多的一共有九個議題所以時間有限之下希望就是很簡短的回答可以不可以願不願意配合好不好好\n\n00:27.228 --> 00:37.699\n那第一個部分呢我跟大家一樣我要來關心我們的原基法原住民自治還有部落工法人為什麼因為我在去年院會總諮詢的時候有特別提到今年2025年是我們的原基法20年\n\n00:46.087 --> 01:02.113\n所以呢我很希望至少原住民自治也好部落工法人也好至少能夠有一個推進那當時呢我給我們的卓院長看了一個20秒的影片現在我們再來重複看一下沒有聲音\n\n01:23.182 --> 01:49.450\n抱歉喔聲音出不來有文字好這位做過鄉長做過校長做過議員八十幾歲的老人家他講完這段話之後呢一個禮拜他就因為意外過世齁那個主委當時你有在現場有你應該很清楚這段話是\n\n01:51.835 --> 02:09.346\n這個做過地方政府這麼多行政工作的老人家齊老長老他非常非常感慨的說希望部落工法人要上路而且他覺得如果我還有機會當選四年至少能夠做到這一項就好\n\n02:10.186 --> 02:27.451\n所以我当时我有提到我希望原民会行政院可以做到第一个定定部落公法人的设置条例第二个拟定草案并办理分区座谈第三拟定三年期部落公法人的沙盒计划选定事办点办理\n\n02:28.291 --> 02:57.571\n我很高興今年有出來但是我也很意外因為跟我想的不太一樣我從你們公布的這個事辦計畫的內容我看到什麼呢我看到說要辦原住民傳統名字查調部落族語文化樂舞及傳統體育活動部落及毗鄰區域自然資源調查巡護管理部落產業的規劃推動傳統建築文化地景及公共事業一共八項\n\n02:59.192 --> 03:14.428\n這八項都很好沒有不好但是我覺得跟我們想像的部落公法人不太一樣因為為什麼我們需要部落公法人他是一個工具我舉個例子像我們的雅尼我們怎麼去談\n\n03:15.609 --> 03:35.981\n我們這些要水利發電的電廠我們怎麼跟他談光電的地熱的我們怎麼跟他談我光是講一個最簡單的我們文化發展中心我們每一年因為使用了北業村的土地你們有給他們這個所謂的補償金50萬但是他是被放入鄉公所\n\n03:37.031 --> 03:56.708\n不是直接給北葉村讓他授意因為他沒有部落公法人我再舉個簡單的例子很多我們的狩獵自主團體他必須要去打一個行政契約可是他想跟縣政府打縣政府不願意他也沒轍因為他不是部落公法人\n\n03:57.449 --> 04:07.252\n所以部落工法人這個工具非常的重要那我是本來想說目前有很多的部落正在面臨這種開發問題等等的時候可以找他們來試辦部落工法人計劃那我們也可以去透過沙盒計劃把一些在我們的法律框架下會遇到的阻礙我們要把它盤整出來\n\n04:21.255 --> 04:49.424\n那讓他順利的推動以後我們就可以呢去進行擴大辦理甚至是法制化的規劃那我覺得也沒有關係我們已經上路所以第一個部分我就希望主委今年年底原民會說要辦理成果說明及檢討那我是希望說至少明年度擴大辦理讓有需要的人來提出訂定一個犯法那第二個不要忘記我們這個就是為了法制化的規劃\n\n04:50.444 --> 05:12.744\n主委可以嗎可以好那謝謝齁那第二個部分呢我來關心元寶條例為什麼我關心元寶條例我在這個會期我也去經過我們卓院長的一個質詢齁我跟他講說其實元寶條例很重要因為我們就有看到前陣子的新聞出來在苗栗泰安鄉\n\n05:14.065 --> 05:28.098\n大家都很嘩然啊喔原來900萬就可以去抵押2億去設定抵押權2億那到底是怎麼一回事我們都很清楚知道這個就是長期以來的鑑明登記\n\n05:29.139 --> 05:51.713\n那如果查出背後有中資那更不得了因為目前我們的兩岸人民關係條例也好我們的所有的條例都沒有辦法去查出背後是誰所以在這個部分你們有在5月21號齁昨天有給我一個函附齁說你們元寶地目前清查進度有了但是我看不到元寶條例的目前進度\n\n05:52.714 --> 05:56.738\n那我是在想因為原開辦法你們也已經在3月5號做修正那原開辦法我們就是希望它未來能夠成為原保條例那這個當中也是引起嘩然因為你們的新辦法說未來的分配計畫要由縣市政府來核定\n\n06:09.449 --> 06:33.427\n而且呢增加了一個但書去做一個限制申請人的資格所以我們也接到很多的陳情特別是很多人他已經完成公告核定那面臨這個新法舊法又沒有一個公告期他也不知道要怎麼辦但是主委我在這邊我只有一個想法冤有頭債有主我們不能夠為了防弊去損害人民的權利\n\n06:34.548 --> 06:52.485\n我們要防弊的是不是那些審查的委員核定的人我們不能夠把這樣的一個防弊加諸在損害人民的權益上面所以我希望這個部分一週內可以到辦公室報告看看怎麼樣去處理那第三題我特別想要來謝謝您因為在5月19號前幾天謝謝您的支持跟農糧署\n\n06:58.871 --> 07:15.743\n謝謝你們願意在九月份讓我們的國產部落小米進入到全國的營養午餐那也很感謝我們的團善業者他們願意共襄盛舉來處理這個五六月學生營養午餐的部分那這個就是我講的\n\n07:17.236 --> 07:33.446\n我們原民會要有上位思考你看我做立法委員我第一年進來我就一直跟林務局林保署說獎勵趙琳必須要縮短年限要增加補助額度那我相信他們九月也即將公告\n\n07:34.346 --> 07:40.687\n第二個我也覺得既然照領獎勵提高禁法補償因應也要跟著提高才不會失衡那也很謝謝我們通過雖然呢一直有很多人製造恐慌但是我從來沒有恐慌因為會做的事政府就是會做我不需要去恐慌那我們就等著九月那第三個就是高山農業\n\n07:56.491 --> 08:19.112\n那高山農業很重要所以呢我也一直在跟我們的農業部一直在討論怎麼恢復我們的高山農業因為它是一個解植土地最重要的一個歷程我們不知道以前梨山可以種水梨但是現在有茶有水梨有高麗菜都不是我們這個土地本來長的植物那我很謝謝你那天說了一句很重要的話\n\n08:19.953 --> 08:37.224\n要有人吃才有人種有人種才會有量有量才會主流化才會有產業主流化之後文化就會活起來所以原民會你是否願意跟農糧署就是針對這一些我們現在沒有量所以價格壓不下來你們願不願意跟農糧署農糧署已經答應我了你願不願意一起來支持獎勵種植小米\n\n08:43.307 --> 09:05.478\n那第四個部分我想要爭取無人機的就業計畫無人機我也是質詢過很多年那您也知道它的重要性但是呢我們現在碰到一個問題因為民航局他要的證照不是我們質詢一次就可以領到他至少要三次以上才有辦法得到那個真正去噴灑農藥或者是載運藥物等等的那種執照所以呢現在\n\n09:10.160 --> 09:38.889\n我們勞動部執訓局他已經願意了只要能夠在每一次的結訓對應到我們的就業的項目他們這個KPI能夠交代的過去他們就願意來做那現在園民會你是不是願意將這個無人機飛手的這些相關的人力需求去盤點園民會可以提供的機會例如我們的檢測人員啊巡山員啊看災的時候的救護員等等園民會是不是願意來規劃\n\n09:40.162 --> 09:55.004\n好這個我們執信已經納入了好那我要特別提醒我其實去盤點勞動部執訓這些年為我們原住民做的不是農業就是觀光就是傳統文化勞作等等我希望原民會要有一個想法\n\n09:55.865 --> 10:10.304\n我們要與時俱進我們要多開一些好的能夠跟新的產業結合的要不然我們很容易被邊緣化那第五個部分就是關於力領人才的培訓那這個部分我知道我們的那個\n\n10:12.766 --> 10:36.831\n處長他已經很認真已經有去就探盤查探驗證的人才跟一些大學像中山大學已經有去開班但是我希望你們跟環境部因為環境部已經答應我可以在每個縣市來針對原住民就近開設專班但是我要問原民會你願不願意跟環境部一起合作來開設這種原住民綠頂人才的培育專班\n\n10:37.651 --> 10:41.735\n這沒有問題我們會跟他們一起來做好謝謝那第六個部分就是今天有原基法的一個提案修法版本我也有其實我在去年的四月也就是第一會期我就把八月一號原住民族日跟我們的歲時計一架我放到我們的原基法\n\n10:57.710 --> 11:09.766\n讓他能夠有法源依據而不要呢在那個地方去跟人家去爭但是現在碎石記憶架被誤會的很嚴重我必須要講因為我也有跟原民會講過確實我們不要去看那個數字因為當時\n\n11:14.352 --> 11:42.702\n是因為八八風災有所謂的八百壯士很多的多元人力就業還有很多政府這幾年的計劃去把這個地方工作權保障去壓住我們所謂的失業率但是我們不能夠忘記確實很多的族人很擔心也確實很多的族人他可能他未來老闆在禁用人員的時候他一想到原住民他就不想用了從哪裡可以看你們的貸金越來越多一年比一年多\n\n11:43.422 --> 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Tahovecahe委員：謝謝。第四個部分，我想要爭取無人機的就業計畫，對無人機我也質詢過很多年，您也知道它的重要性，但是我們現在碰到一個問題，因為民航局要的證照不是我們職訓1次就可以領到，至少要3次以上才有辦法得到真正去噴灑農藥或載運藥物等等的那種執照。現在勞動部職訓局已經願意了，只要能夠在每一次的結訓對應到就業的項目，他們這個KPI能夠交代得過去，他們就願意來做。現在原民會是不是願意就無人機飛手的相關人力需求去盤點原民會可以提供的機會，例如檢測人員、巡山員、在勘災時的救護員等等，原民會是不是願意來規劃？"],["曾主任委員智勇：好，這個我們職訓已經納入了。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，那我要特別提醒，我其實有去盤點勞動部的職訓，在這些年為我們原住民做的不是農業就是觀光還有傳統文化勞作等等，我希望原民會要有一個想法，我們要與時俱進，我們要多開一些好的、能夠跟新產業結合的訓練班，要不然我們很容易被邊緣化。","好，第五個部分就是關於綠領人才的培訓，我知道處長很認真，已經有就碳盤查、碳驗證的人才，在中山大學等大學開班，但是我希望你們跟環境部合作，環境部已經答應我可以在每個縣市針對原住民就近開設專班，但是我要問原民會願不願意跟環境部一起合作開設這種原住民綠領人才的培育專班？"],["曾主任委員智勇：這沒有問題，我們會跟他們一起來做。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，謝謝。第六個部分就是今天要審查原基法的修法版本，我也有提案，其實我在去年4月也就是第一會期就有把8月1號原住民族日跟我們的歲時祭儀假放到原基法，讓它能夠有法源依據，而不要在那個地方去跟人家爭，但是現在歲時祭儀假被誤會得很嚴重，我必須要講，我也有跟原民會講過，我們不要去看那個數字，因為當時是因為88風災有所謂的八百壯士、很多的多元人力就業，還有政府這幾年很多的計畫，去保障這個地方的工作權，去壓住所謂的失業率。但是我們不能夠忘記，確實有很多的族人很擔心，也確實有很多的老闆在進用人員的時候，他一想到原住民有這種假，他就不想用原住民了！這從哪裡可以看出來？就是你們的代金越來越多，一年比一年多，也就是企業寧可繳代金也不願意進用原住民人員。我的意思是說，很好！現在我們就是要來跟原民會爭取，我之前謝謝你們有做原地的即時就業計畫，勞動部的缺工獎勵也同意納入原住民，我現在要問原民會是不是應該用你們收到的代金來做，看錢是從哪裡來，人家不願意用原住民而繳代金，我們就用代金去創造更多的誘因給雇主，可以嗎？"],["曾主任委員智勇：可以。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：不要讓我們的族人去上班都很擔心、很害怕。","第七個就是教保員的部分，我這幾年已經幫忙很多次，因為時間已經到了，我只講一句話，就是不要每一次讓他們來陳情，我覺得他們很辛苦，明明互助教保中心跟沉浸式都是一樣在做公共化的服務，不論薪資、不論人員、不論權益，是不是應該把它們逐步調整成一致？可以嗎？"],["陳處長坤昇：這個已經調整好了。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那謝謝你們，以後就不要讓他們再來問這種問題。","最後就是我關心的知識體系，一直到最後的課綱、教材，我希望是一條龍的計畫，這個我已經開很多次協調會，教育部國教署、國教院、國科會、中研院，我全部都協調過了，那我也看到你們都有共識，原住民是在跟時間賽跑，我們可不可以把它做一個一條龍的計畫，好嗎？"],["曾主任委員智勇：可以。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：謝謝，我也希望我們就這個部分一起來努力。","還有污水道系統，內政部已經同意規劃設計費600萬，這是政府的錯，它把全國的永久屋，它用都市計畫的污水道的方式來處理，造成我們怨聲載道，現在很高興內政部願意出600萬來設計規劃，那原民會你們願意出多少？"],["曾主任委員智勇：願意？內政部已經沒有什麼意見，我們會儘速核定，規劃設計會在2,000萬左右……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：環境部已經表明這個不符合它，主委，請你應該要去跟縣政府溝通，可以嗎？"],["曾主任委員智勇：好。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：以上9個議題，希望原民會兩週內能夠提出報告，或者到辦公室說明，謝謝主委，謝謝各位處長，謝謝主席。"],["主席：謝謝伍麗華委員。","下一位我們請盧縣一委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":120,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-15-21","speakers":["牛煦庭","盧縣一","張智倫","王美惠","麥玉珍","張宏陸","黃捷","蘇巧慧","李柏毅","高金素梅","許宇甄","徐欣瑩","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","郭國文","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","吳琪銘","陳瑩","丁學忠","林宜瑾"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-05-22"],"gazette_id":"1145302","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1145302_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長與財團法\n人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、處理114年度中央政\n府總預算案有關原住民族委員會及所屬預算解凍案；三、審查「原住民族基本法」修正草案等12\n案：(一)審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等16人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二條之二條\n文草案」案、(二)審查委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等17人擬具「原住民族基本法第二十一\n條條文修正草案」案、(三)審查委員高金素梅等21人擬具「原住民族基本法部分條文修正草案」\n案、(四)審查委員黃仁等30人擬具「原住民族基本法第十九條條文修正草案」案、(五)審查委員\n黃仁等26人擬具「原住民族基本法第十五條條文修正草案」案、(六)審查委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw\n等18人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第六條之一條文草案」案、(七)審查委員黃仁等20人擬具「原\n住民族基本法增訂第二十八條之一條文草案」案、(八)審查委員黃仁等22人擬具「原住民族基本\n法第十條條文修正草案」案、(九)審查委員黃仁等21人擬具「原住民族基本法第六條條文修正草\n案」案、(十)審查委員高金素梅等20人擬具「原住民族基本法第十八條條文修正草案」案、 (十\n一)審查委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等17人擬具「原住民族基本法第十八條條文修正草案」案、(十\n二)審查委員盧縣一等18人擬具「原住民族基本法部分條文修正草案」案【第三案僅詢答，另定\n期處理】","agenda_id":"1145302_00001"}}}