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00:01:04,340\n想請教部長因為還有人提到就是說這可能是用無人機地空拍攝的那到底這個影片的真實性如何?經我們研析結果這應該是以不同時期的一個衛星的影像的拍攝然後以3D合成的方式\n\n4\n00:01:06,263 --> 00:01:19,262\n用軟體來後製完成所以完全沒有說它真的就是中共它就是用這個無人機去做實地的拍攝沒有這件事情嗎我們判斷的結果不是\n\n5\n00:01:19,784 --> 00:01:36,580\n所以這中共它是不是又是另外一種認知作戰?就是說台灣的這個軍方說實在的是非常的鬆散連到這個基地裡面去拍攝然後是不是要製造這樣子的這個假象?連去拍攝然後都無法察覺它是要製造這種認知作戰的錯誤的這個做法嗎?是,我們認為有相當的可能是在從事一種認知作戰\n\n6\n00:01:45,128 --> 00:02:04,440\n那如果是說真的有發生這件事情的話,其實我們國軍用這個目視察覺是有辦法的是不是?我想我們對於這個無人機的這個部分,我們現在已經在陸續在不同的這個空軍基地都在歸那個\n\n7\n00:02:05,821 --> 00:02:31,617\n設置這個反制無人機到目前為止還沒有設置完成嗎我所知道就是說如果是用目視的話我們有辦法嗎不會就是說真的如果哪天真的有這個敵方的無人機就是到了這個基地做拍攝如果是說我們這個反制無人機還沒有建置的話這有辦法用目視察覺嗎我想空軍做個說明一下\n\n8\n00:02:35,341 --> 00:02:44,777\n確實用目視來檢查用目視來找這個無人機尤其現在都是小型無人機非常困難非常困難就算是到基地去的話\n\n9\n00:02:46,720 --> 00:03:08,493\n拍攝我們如果用目視是非常困難的是不是如果它高度高一點的話再加上那些你用眼睛去看它背景非常複雜的情況下這個我們以前在基地在演練的時候都實際的去測試過你用目視去看非常困難那有沒有其他的察覺方式如果沒有反制無人機的話\n\n10\n00:03:09,614 --> 00:03:30,636\n我們現在已經在111年開始建置那這個用主動式跟被動式的這個防禦系統它是可以接收到你遙控的這個頻率也可以主動用雷達波的方式去主動搜索那大概在5公里範圍內這個我們已經有部分的基地建置完成效果都非常的好\n\n11\n00:03:30,876 --> 00:03:39,344\n所以說像中國哈西內發布的這個影片其實以我們目前的防疫系統防衛系統的話是不可能發生的是不是\n\n12\n00:03:41,455 --> 00:04:04,800\n如果建制完成的話這個目前看的情況是一定會被發現一定會被發現所以連花蓮基地其實我們也有一些防疫系統的建制已經有了所以這事情根本就不會發生就全部其實都是一個合成的一片我們的系統目前在陸續的建制中那建制完成的基地目前運作的情況都非常的良好\n\n13\n00:04:05,222 --> 00:04:13,547\nOK那剛剛部長有提到所謂的這個反制無人機那針對這個三軍重要的軍事基地的無人機的這個反制方案目前主要有兩個專案在執行一個是由這個空軍統籌的這個建案就是跨軍種來做部署那中原院來做研發那另外這個叫做遙控無人機防疫系統案嘛\n\n14\n00:04:30,137 --> 00:04:45,887\n那另外還有一個呢就是由陸軍單獨建案採購的這個總共26套的無人機反制系統案那這兩個專案目前進度如何之前好像有一些延宕喔那目前呢年底據說年底就要建制完成那現在呢請問進度\n\n15\n00:04:47,788 --> 00:05:12,387\n那個應該是區分一個是陸軍跟空軍陸軍的部分先請陸軍回答我要好陸軍的部分主要是以外島地區的為主那目前整個進度是正常那整個的這個產製協議書我們也在4月份核定第一梯的13套我們會在今年10月上旬交裝經過驗收合格之後就可以部署\n\n16\n00:05:12,907 --> 00:05:22,067\n那另外第二梯的部分是管制在115年交裝目前整個執行進度正常那我們也會落實相關的履約房廠的作為\n\n17\n00:05:23,234 --> 00:05:39,914\n所以這一切進度其實都有按照正常的步驟在走所以大部分的話其實在年底就會建制完成十月是第一批十月第一批再來的話還有第二批的另外13套在明年到明年去了115年\n\n18\n00:05:44,518 --> 00:06:10,665\n說實在的面對這個中共的這個情收我在想說不但會對花蓮其他的地方可能也可能會發生類似這種狀況所以我想說反制無人機的這個建制真的是非常的這個重要那再來還有一點就是說像這個我們還有一個軍事營區安全維護條例在去年九月份的時候就公告了而且有七項的這個執法呢\n\n19\n00:06:12,505 --> 00:06:40,164\n預定呢今年的七月就上路那當然在預告期的時候我們會做一些意見的這個會診那目前的進度如何這部分我們本期也想了解一下我們還是會預計在七月一號正式施行七月一號正式會施行那我們這個意見的會診都已經完全已經完成了嗎有做一些調整是不是我們有相關大概十幾個執法七個執法吧我們有七個執法對不對\n\n20\n00:06:42,369 --> 00:06:50,750\n法律師、法律事務師有多少?七個執法嘛來,要不要說明一下\n\n21\n00:06:56,350 --> 00:07:22,992\n目前這些執法都已經完成相關的預告程序目前大概會依照程序在7月1號之前來完成大副作業那當然有一些居民也疑慮就說像我們這個安全維護條例第六條第一項的這個許可事項他們也很擔心說那以後去拍攝這個跑道啦會不會有所影響那我有看到國防部的這個曾經說起降畫面問題\n\n22\n00:07:24,473 --> 00:07:40,283\n可是我們現在看到就是說花蓮基地這個影片的這個事件我們會否會想要考慮再做這個調整會嗎還是目前還是以這個目前我們所通過的這個執法為主有沒有要做任何的這個調整嗎會想要更嚴謹更嚴密嗎\n\n23\n00:07:43,103 --> 00:07:53,657\n我們這個軍生營區安全維護條例還是會按照我們現在相關的預定期程就會來上路7月就是會來上路?對對對因為這個營區這個\n\n24\n00:07:57,382 --> 00:08:20,144\n安全的維護條例它已經有將相關的這些包括我們固定的這些軍事與安全營區或者是我們正在實行一些戰備演訓的部分都已經也納入了所以我想這個整個來看應該是有周全\n\n25\n00:08:20,784 --> 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據說年底就要建制完成那現在呢請問進度\n287788\t312387\t那個應該是區分一個是陸軍跟空軍陸軍的部分先請陸軍回答我要好陸軍的部分主要是以外島地區的為主那目前整個進度是正常那整個的這個產製協議書我們也在4月份核定第一梯的13套我們會在今年10月上旬交裝經過驗收合格之後就可以部署\n312907\t322067\t那另外第二梯的部分是管制在115年交裝目前整個執行進度正常那我們也會落實相關的履約房廠的作為\n323234\t339914\t所以這一切進度其實都有按照正常的步驟在走所以大部分的話其實在年底就會建制完成十月是第一批十月第一批再來的話還有第二批的另外13套在明年到明年去了115年\n344518\t370665\t說實在的面對這個中共的這個情收我在想說不但會對花蓮其他的地方可能也可能會發生類似這種狀況所以我想說反制無人機的這個建制真的是非常的這個重要那再來還有一點就是說像這個我們還有一個軍事營區安全維護條例在去年九月份的時候就公告了而且有七項的這個執法呢\n372505\t400164\t預定呢今年的七月就上路那當然在預告期的時候我們會做一些意見的這個會診那目前的進度如何這部分我們本期也想了解一下我們還是會預計在七月一號正式施行七月一號正式會施行那我們這個意見的會診都已經完全已經完成了嗎有做一些調整是不是我們有相關大概十幾個執法七個執法吧我們有七個執法對不對\n402369\t410750\t法律師、法律事務師有多少?七個執法嘛來,要不要說明一下\n416350\t442992\t目前這些執法都已經完成相關的預告程序目前大概會依照程序在7月1號之前來完成大副作業那當然有一些居民也疑慮就說像我們這個安全維護條例第六條第一項的這個許可事項他們也很擔心說那以後去拍攝這個跑道啦會不會有所影響那我有看到國防部的這個曾經說起降畫面問題\n444473\t460283\t可是我們現在看到就是說花蓮基地這個影片的這個事件我們會否會想要考慮再做這個調整會嗎還是目前還是以這個目前我們所通過的這個執法為主有沒有要做任何的這個調整嗎會想要更嚴謹更嚴密嗎\n463103\t473657\t我們這個軍生營區安全維護條例還是會按照我們現在相關的預定期程就會來上路7月就是會來上路?對對對因為這個營區這個\n477382\t500144\t安全的維護條例它已經有將相關的這些包括我們固定的這些軍事與安全營區或者是我們正在實行一些戰備演訓的部分都已經也納入了所以我想這個整個來看應該是有周全\n500784\t506368\t所以我們會如期來施行那當然再看看後續我們執行的狀況\n","txt":"謝謝主席,有請顧部長有請顧部長市委羅委員好\n部長好部長最近中國的社群有流傳一段疑似以空拍機遠程鏡頭或者是衛星圖圖資合成的影片而且還很鉅細靡遺的揭露了華聯空軍基地內部的部署包含了中隊的配置還有加固機堡的尺寸緊急升空戰機的機位等等甚至還標示了士官兵的影射跟各單位機堡的數量引發了嚴重的國安疑慮\n想請教部長因為還有人提到就是說這可能是用無人機地空拍攝的那到底這個影片的真實性如何?經我們研析結果這應該是以不同時期的一個衛星的影像的拍攝然後以3D合成的方式\n用軟體來後製完成所以完全沒有說它真的就是中共它就是用這個無人機去做實地的拍攝沒有這件事情嗎我們判斷的結果不是\n所以這中共它是不是又是另外一種認知作戰?就是說台灣的這個軍方說實在的是非常的鬆散連到這個基地裡面去拍攝然後是不是要製造這樣子的這個假象?連去拍攝然後都無法察覺它是要製造這種認知作戰的錯誤的這個做法嗎?是,我們認為有相當的可能是在從事一種認知作戰\n那如果是說真的有發生這件事情的話,其實我們國軍用這個目視察覺是有辦法的是不是?我想我們對於這個無人機的這個部分,我們現在已經在陸續在不同的這個空軍基地都在歸那個\n設置這個反制無人機到目前為止還沒有設置完成嗎我所知道就是說如果是用目視的話我們有辦法嗎不會就是說真的如果哪天真的有這個敵方的無人機就是到了這個基地做拍攝如果是說我們這個反制無人機還沒有建置的話這有辦法用目視察覺嗎我想空軍做個說明一下\n確實用目視來檢查用目視來找這個無人機尤其現在都是小型無人機非常困難非常困難就算是到基地去的話\n拍攝我們如果用目視是非常困難的是不是如果它高度高一點的話再加上那些你用眼睛去看它背景非常複雜的情況下這個我們以前在基地在演練的時候都實際的去測試過你用目視去看非常困難那有沒有其他的察覺方式如果沒有反制無人機的話\n我們現在已經在111年開始建置那這個用主動式跟被動式的這個防禦系統它是可以接收到你遙控的這個頻率也可以主動用雷達波的方式去主動搜索那大概在5公里範圍內這個我們已經有部分的基地建置完成效果都非常的好\n所以說像中國哈西內發布的這個影片其實以我們目前的防疫系統防衛系統的話是不可能發生的是不是\n如果建制完成的話這個目前看的情況是一定會被發現一定會被發現所以連花蓮基地其實我們也有一些防疫系統的建制已經有了所以這事情根本就不會發生就全部其實都是一個合成的一片我們的系統目前在陸續的建制中那建制完成的基地目前運作的情況都非常的良好\nOK 那剛剛部長有提到所謂的這個反制無人機那針對這個三軍重要的軍事基地的無人機的這個反制方案目前主要有兩個專案在執行一個是由這個空軍統籌的這個建案就是跨軍種來做部署 那中原院來做研發那另外 這個叫做遙控無人機防疫系統案嘛\n那另外還有一個呢就是由陸軍單獨建案採購的這個總共26套的無人機反制系統案那這兩個專案目前進度如何之前好像有一些延宕喔那目前呢年底 據說年底就要建制完成那現在呢請問進度\n那個應該是區分一個是陸軍跟空軍陸軍的部分先請陸軍回答我要好陸軍的部分主要是以外島地區的為主那目前整個進度是正常那整個的這個產製協議書我們也在4月份核定第一梯的13套我們會在今年10月上旬交裝經過驗收合格之後就可以部署\n那另外第二梯的部分是管制在115年交裝目前整個執行進度正常那我們也會落實相關的履約房廠的作為\n所以這一切進度其實都有按照正常的步驟在走所以大部分的話其實在年底就會建制完成十月是第一批十月第一批再來的話還有第二批的另外13套在明年到明年去了115年\n說實在的面對這個中共的這個情收我在想說不但會對花蓮其他的地方可能也可能會發生類似這種狀況所以我想說反制無人機的這個建制真的是非常的這個重要那再來還有一點就是說像這個我們還有一個軍事營區安全維護條例在去年九月份的時候就公告了而且有七項的這個執法呢\n預定呢今年的七月就上路那當然在預告期的時候我們會做一些意見的這個會診那目前的進度如何這部分我們本期也想了解一下我們還是會預計在七月一號正式施行七月一號正式會施行那我們這個意見的會診都已經完全已經完成了嗎有做一些調整是不是我們有相關大概十幾個執法七個執法吧我們有七個執法對不對\n法律師、法律事務師有多少?七個執法嘛來,要不要說明一下\n目前這些執法都已經完成相關的預告程序目前大概會依照程序在7月1號之前來完成大副作業那當然有一些居民也疑慮就說像我們這個安全維護條例第六條第一項的這個許可事項他們也很擔心說那以後去拍攝這個跑道啦會不會有所影響那我有看到國防部的這個曾經說起降畫面問題\n可是我們現在看到就是說花蓮基地這個影片的這個事件我們會否會想要考慮再做這個調整會嗎還是目前還是以這個目前我們所通過的這個執法為主有沒有要做任何的這個調整嗎會想要更嚴謹更嚴密嗎\n我們這個軍生營區安全維護條例還是會按照我們現在相關的預定期程就會來上路7月就是會來上路?對對對因為這個營區這個\n安全的維護條例它已經有將相關的這些包括我們固定的這些軍事與安全營區或者是我們正在實行一些戰備演訓的部分都已經也納入了所以我想這個整個來看應該是有周全\n所以我們會如期來施行那當然再看看後續我們執行的狀況\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.549 --> 00:02.831\n謝謝主席,有請顧部長有請顧部長市委羅委員好\n\n00:11.927 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03:30.636\n我們現在已經在111年開始建置那這個用主動式跟被動式的這個防禦系統它是可以接收到你遙控的這個頻率也可以主動用雷達波的方式去主動搜索那大概在5公里範圍內這個我們已經有部分的基地建置完成效果都非常的好\n\n03:30.876 --> 03:39.344\n所以說像中國哈西內發布的這個影片其實以我們目前的防疫系統防衛系統的話是不可能發生的是不是\n\n03:41.455 --> 04:04.800\n如果建制完成的話這個目前看的情況是一定會被發現一定會被發現所以連花蓮基地其實我們也有一些防疫系統的建制已經有了所以這事情根本就不會發生就全部其實都是一個合成的一片我們的系統目前在陸續的建制中那建制完成的基地目前運作的情況都非常的良好\n\n04:05.222 --> 04:13.547\nOK那剛剛部長有提到所謂的這個反制無人機那針對這個三軍重要的軍事基地的無人機的這個反制方案目前主要有兩個專案在執行一個是由這個空軍統籌的這個建案就是跨軍種來做部署那中原院來做研發那另外這個叫做遙控無人機防疫系統案嘛\n\n04:30.137 --> 04:45.887\n那另外還有一個呢就是由陸軍單獨建案採購的這個總共26套的無人機反制系統案那這兩個專案目前進度如何之前好像有一些延宕喔那目前呢年底據說年底就要建制完成那現在呢請問進度\n\n04:47.788 --> 05:12.387\n那個應該是區分一個是陸軍跟空軍陸軍的部分先請陸軍回答我要好陸軍的部分主要是以外島地區的為主那目前整個進度是正常那整個的這個產製協議書我們也在4月份核定第一梯的13套我們會在今年10月上旬交裝經過驗收合格之後就可以部署\n\n05:12.907 --> 05:22.067\n那另外第二梯的部分是管制在115年交裝目前整個執行進度正常那我們也會落實相關的履約房廠的作為\n\n05:23.234 --> 05:39.914\n所以這一切進度其實都有按照正常的步驟在走所以大部分的話其實在年底就會建制完成十月是第一批十月第一批再來的話還有第二批的另外13套在明年到明年去了115年\n\n05:44.518 --> 06:10.665\n說實在的面對這個中共的這個情收我在想說不但會對花蓮其他的地方可能也可能會發生類似這種狀況所以我想說反制無人機的這個建制真的是非常的這個重要那再來還有一點就是說像這個我們還有一個軍事營區安全維護條例在去年九月份的時候就公告了而且有七項的這個執法呢\n\n06:12.505 --> 06:40.164\n預定呢今年的七月就上路那當然在預告期的時候我們會做一些意見的這個會診那目前的進度如何這部分我們本期也想了解一下我們還是會預計在七月一號正式施行七月一號正式會施行那我們這個意見的會診都已經完全已經完成了嗎有做一些調整是不是我們有相關大概十幾個執法七個執法吧我們有七個執法對不對\n\n06:42.369 --> 06:50.750\n法律師、法律事務師有多少?七個執法嘛來,要不要說明一下\n\n06:56.350 --> 07:22.992\n目前這些執法都已經完成相關的預告程序目前大概會依照程序在7月1號之前來完成大副作業那當然有一些居民也疑慮就說像我們這個安全維護條例第六條第一項的這個許可事項他們也很擔心說那以後去拍攝這個跑道啦會不會有所影響那我有看到國防部的這個曾經說起降畫面問題\n\n07:24.473 --> 07:40.283\n可是我們現在看到就是說花蓮基地這個影片的這個事件我們會否會想要考慮再做這個調整會嗎還是目前還是以這個目前我們所通過的這個執法為主有沒有要做任何的這個調整嗎會想要更嚴謹更嚴密嗎\n\n07:43.103 --> 07:53.657\n我們這個軍生營區安全維護條例還是會按照我們現在相關的預定期程就會來上路7月就是會來上路?對對對因為這個營區這個\n\n07:57.382 --> 08:20.144\n安全的維護條例它已經有將相關的這些包括我們固定的這些軍事與安全營區或者是我們正在實行一些戰備演訓的部分都已經也納入了所以我想這個整個來看應該是有周全\n\n08:20.784 --> 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