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00:01:28,577\n恐怕是這個量能會不足那我們在各個重要的軍事單位尤其是機場周邊是否都有規劃建置無人機的預警以及反制的系統或裝備以避免機民處\n\n6\n00:01:31,616 --> 00:01:58,272\n還有這個營區還有其他這個這個相關的部署會外洩的情形那我想就叫部長就目前我們對這個部分的進度是否都符合這個預期已經進行當中跟委員報告我想第一個還是要說明這一個在流傳的影片應該不是以無人機的方式來進行拍攝的這是第一點第二點\n\n7\n00:01:59,178 --> 00:02:14,037\n那剛剛陸軍已經有說明了我們採購無人機的反制系統26套那麼我們會在今年會交付13套,那其餘的會在明年交付,這個是屬於部署在金馬東營等地區的\n\n8\n00:02:16,019 --> 00:02:33,411\n那至於另外由這個空軍統建的這個部分,也就是屬於中科院的這個包括固定式跟機動式的這個部分那我們也陸續正在這個結角這個當中,那我想等這個整個\n\n9\n00:02:36,727 --> 00:03:02,421\n完畢之後呢,我想我們這個無人機的防制系統在各個基地我想就能夠充分的掌握有關無人機來實施空拍的這些作為這樣好,那部長我們針對這個無人機的部分我們目前就是用這個目視察覺還有這個干擾槍的一個反制那還有沒有其他比較先進的方式可以來反制?\n\n10\n00:03:04,374 --> 00:03:20,765\n剛剛提到有關中科院所做的UDS防禦系統,我想驗證的結果應該是可以來反制這些小型的無人機\n\n11\n00:03:23,663 --> 00:03:53,017\n我想除了這個中科院的這個反制作業的相關設施以外我們也看到漢翔公司目前也積極的投入發展這個無人機的反制系統建立自有的這個防疫產品並且目前已經進入系統測試的階段那近期內我們陸軍也以國防創新發展名義公開徵求可吸式的這個無人機反制系統規格上要求能夠干擾其接管\n\n12\n00:03:53,497 --> 00:04:05,225\n一二級的這個無人機並且能夠偵測到操作者的一個位置等等那國防部是否還有針對不同單位的這個需求對於無人機反制系統有擴大這個研發採購的一個相關計畫我先請陸軍\n\n13\n00:04:12,595 --> 00:04:34,833\n報告委員委員剛才所提詢的除了兩個部分第一個機場的UDS的固定室還有機動室之外那另外剛才部長所答詢的包含到外離島地區那我們陸軍現在也正在評估各個層級部隊對無人機的反制上的需求那所以我們目前在依照一個公開商情的做一個了解\n\n14\n00:04:35,513 --> 00:04:43,622\n國內外目前反制系統的成熟的程度那未來納入我們的各層級無人機反制系統的一個配置的規劃\n\n15\n00:04:46,354 --> 00:05:14,647\n也就是說我們會有新型式的無人機的反制系統會有更新型式的新型式另外我想就我們國防產業的一個發展合作來救救我們國防部台灣一直希望能夠打入美國的國防供應鏈日前我們行政院鞏敏欣秘書長在訪美的過程當中曾經公開表示美國在無人機的研究上有\n\n16\n00:05:15,848 --> 00:05:39,449\n這個最先進的一個技術那台灣則在這個生產的方面我們有對於這個部分蠻精進的一個生產線那具體指出台美軍工產業合作的一個可能性過去這個AIT處長谷麗妍也在近期的一個專訪當中指出雙方在這個無人機領域的一個合作聚焦\n\n17\n00:05:40,670 --> 00:06:02,880\n會在AI應用還有供應鏈整合以及投資等三個重大的領域近期內對於台美共同生產的武器的討論似乎已經逐漸的明朗具體化我想請教部長雙方在推動共同生產的議題上就目前能夠公開揭露的部分是否已經有更進一步的發展\n\n18\n00:06:04,922 --> 00:06:27,436\n美國在跟我們從事相關的軍事交流的部分呢特別針對這個以俄烏戰爭的一個經驗那特別我們以一個海島的國家對於無人機要從事相關的這個後續的這個生產跟這個供應的是也就是說我們並\n\n19\n00:06:29,273 --> 00:06:53,381\n並不那麼的簡單說從外國來運不過來所以我們要建立自主的生產能量是相當的重要所以在這個部分呢不管是透過授權生產或共同研發或者是在地來生產然後來排除這個非紅的供應鏈這個部分我想我們現在都在進行當中\n\n20\n00:06:55,059 --> 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委員剛才所提詢的除了兩個部分第一個機場的UDS的固定室還有機動室之外那另外剛才部長所答詢的包含到外離島地區那我們陸軍現在也正在評估各個層級部隊對無人機的反制上的需求那所以我們目前在依照一個公開商情的做一個了解\n275513\t283622\t國內外目前反制系統的成熟的程度那未來納入我們的各層級無人機反制系統的一個配置的規劃\n286354\t314647\t也就是說我們會有新型式的無人機的反制系統會有更新型式的新型式另外我想就我們國防產業的一個發展合作來救救我們國防部台灣一直希望能夠打入美國的國防供應鏈日前我們行政院鞏敏欣秘書長在訪美的過程當中曾經公開表示美國在無人機的研究上有\n315848\t339449\t這個最先進的一個技術那台灣則在這個生產的方面我們有對於這個部分蠻精進的一個生產線那具體指出台美軍工產業合作的一個可能性過去這個AIT處長谷麗妍也在近期的一個專訪當中指出雙方在這個無人機領域的一個合作聚焦\n340670\t362880\t會在AI應用還有供應鏈整合以及投資等三個重大的領域近期內對於台美共同生產的武器的討論似乎已經逐漸的明朗具體化我想請教部長雙方在推動共同生產的議題上就目前能夠公開揭露的部分是否已經有更進一步的發展\n364922\t387436\t美國在跟我們從事相關的軍事交流的部分呢特別針對這個以俄烏戰爭的一個經驗那特別我們以一個海島的國家對於無人機要從事相關的這個後續的這個生產跟這個供應的是也就是說我們並\n389273\t413381\t並不那麼的簡單說從外國來運不過來所以我們要建立自主的生產能量是相當的重要所以在這個部分呢不管是透過授權生產或共同研發或者是在地來生產然後來排除這個非紅的供應鏈這個部分我想我們現在都在進行當中\n415059\t431946\t那我想請教部長,目前我們跟美方的合作,他們比較關切的會是什麼?哪一方面的事情?應該比較關切的應該就是說,我們的自主的產能,是不是足夠因應?\n433996\t462287\t自主的產能對現在就是說我們需要有一些關鍵的一些技術嘛這是一點那這些關鍵的技術我們可能可以透過授權的方式可以透過共同研發的方式那或者是透過這個我們自己本身跟民間的能量來進行研發這些現在無人機的產業我想已經快速的相當已經\n463687\t472315\t已經有快速的在形成一定的這個能量但要因應這一個就是說\n473519\t490563\t足夠的產能,這個部分我們還需要努力就在產能方面對,產能的一個擴張那這個部分跟委員報告也就是說我們必須要打入國際供應鏈就是說國際的飛鴻供應鏈,這個部分我們必須要打入才會有一定的經濟規模\n498114\t521747\t好 那這部分我們也期待國防部透過這次跟美方的合作能夠順利的打入供應鏈的提供那也讓雙方在軍工產業的合作上能夠進一步的合作對於我們國防產業的發展還有國家安全都能夠向上提升這是我們期待的是好 謝謝部長謝謝 謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們有請顧部長有請部長 謝謝好 部長早\n部長,接續剛剛的羅委員質詢的部分不管是我們空軍花蓮基地的問題,不管是影片是AI所形成的或是說有可能是他們透過什麼方式去取得部分的相片或影片\n可能也涉及到相關的一個比較機敏的一個市政希望說我們國防部針對這個部分應該要能夠這個積極的掌握相關的情勢避免相關的這個情勢繼續的這個發生那我想就叫是在\n對於空拍我們軍事營區的事件從2022年以來我們也看到中國的民用無人機多次侵擾我們金門單靠目視的察覺和干擾槍的反制\n恐怕是這個量能會不足那我們在各個重要的軍事單位尤其是機場周邊是否都有規劃建置無人機的預警以及反制的系統或裝備以避免機民處\n還有這個營區還有其他這個這個相關的部署會外洩的情形那我想就叫部長就目前我們對這個部分的進度是否都符合這個預期已經進行當中跟委員報告我想第一個還是要說明這一個在流傳的影片應該不是以無人機的方式來進行拍攝的這是第一點第二點\n那剛剛陸軍已經有說明了我們採購無人機的反制系統26套那麼我們會在今年會交付13套,那其餘的會在明年交付,這個是屬於部署在金馬東營等地區的\n那至於另外由這個空軍統建的這個部分,也就是屬於中科院的這個包括固定式跟機動式的這個部分那我們也陸續正在這個結角這個當中,那我想等這個整個\n完畢之後呢,我想我們這個無人機的防制系統在各個基地我想就能夠充分的掌握有關無人機來實施空拍的這些作為這樣好,那部長我們針對這個無人機的部分我們目前就是用這個目視察覺還有這個干擾槍的一個反制那還有沒有其他比較先進的方式可以來反制?\n剛剛提到有關中科院所做的UDS防禦系統,我想驗證的結果應該是可以來反制這些小型的無人機\n我想除了這個中科院的這個反制作業的相關設施以外我們也看到漢翔公司目前也積極的投入發展這個無人機的反制系統建立自有的這個防疫產品並且目前已經進入系統測試的階段那近期內我們陸軍也以國防創新發展名義公開徵求可吸式的這個無人機反制系統規格上要求能夠干擾其接管\n一二級的這個無人機並且能夠偵測到操作者的一個位置等等那國防部是否還有針對不同單位的這個需求對於無人機反制系統有擴大這個研發採購的一個相關計畫我先請陸軍\n報告委員 委員剛才所提詢的除了兩個部分第一個機場的UDS的固定室還有機動室之外那另外剛才部長所答詢的包含到外離島地區那我們陸軍現在也正在評估各個層級部隊對無人機的反制上的需求那所以我們目前在依照一個公開商情的做一個了解\n國內外目前反制系統的成熟的程度那未來納入我們的各層級無人機反制系統的一個配置的規劃\n也就是說我們會有新型式的無人機的反制系統會有更新型式的新型式另外我想就我們國防產業的一個發展合作來救救我們國防部台灣一直希望能夠打入美國的國防供應鏈日前我們行政院鞏敏欣秘書長在訪美的過程當中曾經公開表示美國在無人機的研究上有\n這個最先進的一個技術那台灣則在這個生產的方面我們有對於這個部分蠻精進的一個生產線那具體指出台美軍工產業合作的一個可能性過去這個AIT處長谷麗妍也在近期的一個專訪當中指出雙方在這個無人機領域的一個合作聚焦\n會在AI應用還有供應鏈整合以及投資等三個重大的領域近期內對於台美共同生產的武器的討論似乎已經逐漸的明朗具體化我想請教部長雙方在推動共同生產的議題上就目前能夠公開揭露的部分是否已經有更進一步的發展\n美國在跟我們從事相關的軍事交流的部分呢特別針對這個以俄烏戰爭的一個經驗那特別我們以一個海島的國家對於無人機要從事相關的這個後續的這個生產跟這個供應的是也就是說我們並\n並不那麼的簡單說從外國來運不過來所以我們要建立自主的生產能量是相當的重要所以在這個部分呢不管是透過授權生產或共同研發或者是在地來生產然後來排除這個非紅的供應鏈這個部分我想我們現在都在進行當中\n那我想請教部長,目前我們跟美方的合作,他們比較關切的會是什麼?哪一方面的事情?應該比較關切的應該就是說,我們的自主的產能,是不是足夠因應?\n自主的產能對現在就是說我們需要有一些關鍵的一些技術嘛這是一點那這些關鍵的技術我們可能可以透過授權的方式可以透過共同研發的方式那或者是透過這個我們自己本身跟民間的能量來進行研發這些現在無人機的產業我想已經快速的相當已經\n已經有快速的在形成一定的這個能量但要因應這一個就是說\n足夠的產能,這個部分我們還需要努力就在產能方面對,產能的一個擴張那這個部分跟委員報告也就是說我們必須要打入國際供應鏈就是說國際的飛鴻供應鏈,這個部分我們必須要打入才會有一定的經濟規模\n好 那這部分我們也期待國防部透過這次跟美方的合作能夠順利的打入供應鏈的提供那也讓雙方在軍工產業的合作上能夠進一步的合作對於我們國防產業的發展還有國家安全都能夠向上提升這是我們期待的是好 謝謝部長謝謝 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.570 --> 00:02.671\n謝謝主席我們有請顧部長有請部長謝謝好部長早\n\n00:10.181 --> 00:31.887\n部長,接續剛剛的羅委員質詢的部分不管是我們空軍花蓮基地的問題,不管是影片是AI所形成的或是說有可能是他們透過什麼方式去取得部分的相片或影片\n\n00:33.968 --> 00:52.098\n可能也涉及到相關的一個比較機敏的一個市政希望說我們國防部針對這個部分應該要能夠這個積極的掌握相關的情勢避免相關的這個情勢繼續的這個發生那我想就叫是在\n\n00:53.274 --> 01:06.627\n對於空拍我們軍事營區的事件從2022年以來我們也看到中國的民用無人機多次侵擾我們金門單靠目視的察覺和干擾槍的反制\n\n01:12.762 --> 01:28.577\n恐怕是這個量能會不足那我們在各個重要的軍事單位尤其是機場周邊是否都有規劃建置無人機的預警以及反制的系統或裝備以避免機民處\n\n01:31.616 --> 01:58.272\n還有這個營區還有其他這個這個相關的部署會外洩的情形那我想就叫部長就目前我們對這個部分的進度是否都符合這個預期已經進行當中跟委員報告我想第一個還是要說明這一個在流傳的影片應該不是以無人機的方式來進行拍攝的這是第一點第二點\n\n01:59.178 --> 02:14.037\n那剛剛陸軍已經有說明了我們採購無人機的反制系統26套那麼我們會在今年會交付13套,那其餘的會在明年交付,這個是屬於部署在金馬東營等地區的\n\n02:16.019 --> 02:33.411\n那至於另外由這個空軍統建的這個部分,也就是屬於中科院的這個包括固定式跟機動式的這個部分那我們也陸續正在這個結角這個當中,那我想等這個整個\n\n02:36.727 --> 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