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00:02:31,053\n這個系統上面它主要功能都是完整的那最主要是它的電腦檢測上面應該是軟體上面它的一個偶發那目前在美軍或是其他的供售國在這個軟體程式也發現類似的狀況那會盡快的做一個軟體的修訂所以基本上不是全車系統上的問題是一個軟體程式上面需要再做修正的問題\n\n7\n00:02:32,034 --> 00:02:59,821\n故障排除當然是一個信念的一環但是第一個故障排除是特殊的狀況確保武器妥善才是根本那第二海馬斯是新的裝備那理論上首次試射不應該出這個問題第三排除故障是靠美方人員協助第四\n\n8\n00:03:00,661 --> 00:03:16,579\n信號異常不只是發生一次所以不要拿這個信念當作是一個藉口所以本席認為故障的原因大致上有幾個可能性所以你剛剛說信號、資訊\n\n9\n00:03:19,723 --> 00:03:44,019\n這個問題就已經在裡面第一個系統內部連線或裝備設定的異常第二美軍原廠安全控管的機制第三電池環境複雜過強第四GPS的干擾或欺敵所以如果故障的原因是出於技術的問題\n\n10\n00:03:49,162 --> 00:04:06,211\n相信國軍有絕對的能力排除但本席最擔心的是第三第四項而且是擔心共軍的干擾所以剛剛我講的就是GPS有沒有可能性是這樣的一個問題你坦白講\n\n11\n00:04:07,452 --> 00:04:21,445\n因為這個現在共經在任何在磁波上在電信上都非常的強所以你可以老實講說這是不是GPS的干擾就是共經的干擾\n\n12\n00:04:23,311 --> 00:04:42,566\n在九棚整個的涉及基本上對電池環境包含到敵可能的這個訊號的接收都是在我們整個的管控和防制作為內現在擔心本身擔心的不是沒有原因2023到2025的二五的戰爭的期間海馬斯系統就發生過因為GPS的干擾\n\n13\n00:04:49,045 --> 00:05:05,584\n而遭摧毀而且共青擁有強大的電子戰的能力根據過往的經驗共青常態系的部署R9電機戰海上電子干擾的等見及紀律\n\n14\n00:05:08,047 --> 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