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00:00:54,308\n問了以後其實那個時候我有先問國防部就是針對這件事情的回應但是並沒有很快得到解答所以就變成說我們在晚間新聞的時候我們就只好自己先來看畫面然後確認到底有沒有無人機的拍攝還是衛星中間有沒有AI然後甚至裡面\n\n4\n00:00:54,758 --> 00:01:12,644\n那個圖裡面有沒有錯誤就針對這一個來針對媒體回答但我覺得這樣並不是一個很正常的事情就在於說照理說這件事情回答的第一時間在不管是晚間那一定是那個傍晚嘛就是晚間新聞的時候應該是由國防部來說明而不是由我來說明\n\n5\n00:01:12,864 --> 00:01:40,212\n所以就是說針對這件事情不知道未來因為這一件認知作戰或者相關的威脅又或者說合成的影片又或者真的可能會有拍攝就是說針對這一些訊息我們不需要國防部鉅細靡遺的告訴國人因為這裡面可能牽涉很多互相的攻防但有時候會有一個比較general的回應就是在於說這件事情我們目前掌握到什麼樣的程度然後未來我們可能會在哪裡需要加強是不是針對這一點請部長說明一下\n\n6\n00:01:43,109 --> 00:01:59,330\n我想委員的指教是正確的啦我想我們會以後碰到這個狀況我們會盡速的來做出回應因為我怕說這個以後可能會越來越多像最近不只只有這些像最近可能在網路上也有很多就是說這個\n\n7\n00:02:00,811 --> 00:02:25,177\n說跟中國同意沒有什麼不好啊什麼等等之類的這跟國防部沒有直接的關係但很明顯就是有可能對方在做類似的這種網軍的操作那這種操作呢有時候第一時間假設未來開始跟國防有關的時候有可能需要國防部越來越經常性的出來回應那有些可能是國安就可能需要國安局那這個部分我覺得是蠻重要的那另外也有一點就是剛剛前面也有人問過就是中科院針對這一個\n\n8\n00:02:26,717 --> 00:02:43,940\n無人機的侵擾之前在之前質詢的時候就有提到2023年可能會有一定的這些預警的雷達或什麼等等之類的一個方案那個期程因為剛剛羅委員問過了所以我就不多問但我想問另外一個也是跟這個比較有關係的跟剛剛那個議題其實有關就是\n\n9\n00:02:45,141 --> 00:03:06,439\n這個把雞的上面這個接收器的晶片疑似有中國製那我現在先不管說它內容到底這個如何或者說到底有沒有中國製這個問題現在有一個狀況跟剛剛有點類似就是在於說其實有好幾次上次我們在問的時候也是就是國防部有主動清查因為場上真的非常多那主動清查之後呢發現有中國製\n\n10\n00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:33,755\n然後中國製之後請他要改善等等之類的常常會有這樣的一些狀況但常常都會是媒體報導之後然後國防部才出來說的確這個是我們已經有清查過的清查過的時候所以當時有發現所以有請他改善所以會不會針對類似像這樣的事情是不是也有一個改進的空間就是在於說如果今天是有國防部主動他本來就已經發現的他已經清查的他其實可以主動直接跟國人說明\n\n11\n00:03:34,155 --> 00:03:34,355\n這個我們可以來\n\n12\n00:03:59,669 --> 00:04:20,595\n討論一下就是說委員的意思應該是說即使在這個事情還沒有被報導之前我們就主動的來說明這件事情這樣就對了對因為我覺得其實有時候有發生錯誤廠商有問題等等之類的或者內控的控管沒有嚴格這些其實有錯誤都沒有關係像今天軍備局的這個報告我有看到他就講說我們現在發現我們有哪幾項錯誤\n\n13\n00:04:23,556 --> 00:04:50,675\n所以我們這些錯誤來做相關的改正其實我覺得這是一個很健康的態度就是說本來我們就是要滾動式的針對這些事情來做修正那如果說因為是標準不明結果發生了問題又或者說今天是標準明確結果是廠商的問題不同的種類如果國防部先出來說明的話就不用一直來應對媒體這樣的一個又有人出來爆料又可能是廠商可能沒有得標的以後結果跑出來又要爆料一些事物那這個會沒完沒了啦\n\n14\n00:04:51,497 --> 00:04:56,542\n這個有關於紅火一把雞這個事情向您做個報告第一個我們在這個微博報導之後我們有針對他報導的這個RF接收機和相關的晶片第一個我們詢問的廠商我首先報告我們這個的採購的契約裡面就強調禁止使用中國的\n\n15\n00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:45,220\n製造的相關內部的元件或是錄製品那第二個我們詢問了廠商之後他是說他不是使用那但是我們也把相關的電子元件目前全部拆解送到專案的實驗室去進行檢查那在檢查出來之後我會向委員做個報告OK好那這個我們再來說明那這個就不一樣因為這個就是他是報導了之後呢就有去問但是他可能不是那不是之後還要再送進一步的檢驗那就不是我剛剛講的這個情形嘛\n\n16\n00:05:46,080 --> 00:06:10,336\n好那接下來因為這個最近有些駭客活動越來越多但是因為這個是比較長期性的問題那今天跟解凍有關所以我問下一個跟這個跟預算比較有關的就是說因為4月1號的時候就已經有說這一個加薪那等一下可能請部長講一下就是4月1號這個公佈之後對於這個國軍他的士氣等等的影響\n\n17\n00:06:11,036 --> 00:06:26,241\n但另外我只想追問一個小問題就是說我在去年11月13號的時候有在問就是這個休假補助費因為現在就會有假都休不完的問題那假都休不完呢用加班費不太合適尤其是國軍現在的這個狀況\n\n18\n00:06:27,961 --> 00:06:50,695\n所以我記得之前嘉賓委員其實也有問過就是休假補助費那因為2024年的時候這個人事總署應該2023、2023就有說要從寬來做一個認定那因為我前陣子問國防部的回應是說就有可能這個休不完的假可能要累積到明年但是如果這樣子的話因為我們都知道如果今年休不完的假累積到明年明年也一定也休不完\n\n19\n00:06:51,275 --> 00:07:19,455\n那但是這會牽扯到預算因為如果用休假補助金的方式一人就算一天用一千來算那這個如果說用自願一五萬人來算這個金額也不小一億以內啦但它也是一定的金額所以就這個問題因為之前有說三個月之內希望有一個方案那是不是之後可以來這一個辦公室我們再來討論一下就是休假補助金這件事情我們應該要怎麼處理那這邊先請部長想要跟國人說明一下就是四月一號這個加薪之後目前來講這個狀況如何\n\n20\n00:07:21,728 --> 00:07:38,861\n四月要加薪之後我到基層去做一些訪視的時候可以感覺到他們對這個加薪都非常的有感覺因為這個加薪的幅度以資源一加上戰鬥部隊的\n\n21\n00:07:40,198 --> 00:07:57,964\n這個加薪的程度來講,我覺得現在都有一定相當程度的成長,像我手上現在的資料如果你以戰鬥部隊來講,以一個二兵來講,如果他現在以志願役的勤務加級加上戰鬥部隊的加級來看的話\n\n22\n00:07:58,944 --> 00:08:18,115\n惡兵大概都有到五萬四千一百五十塊錢所以我想應該是有感的至於那個加班的那個委員好一些數據先跟委員做個說明就是我們在十月一號加薪之後到目前為止就是報退五\n\n23\n00:08:18,635 --> 00:08:48,555\n有600多個人抽回來那不釋服的部分也有87個他已經報不釋服但是在加薪之後他又把他抽回來也就是說在留營跟不釋服的這個部分都已經有成效那在招募的部分在第三批社慶的招募也比去年同期增加600多人這是首先跟委員報告那有關那個休假的部分我們現在已經在研擬就是不休假剛剛委員講的我們已經研擬完了那後續找時間再去跟委員辦公室\n\n24\n00:08:48,575 --> 00:08:58,009\n公司做說明好謝謝齁好那謝謝局部長好謝謝主席好謝謝昭偉齁這個不釋服了加了薪就釋服了這個其實要研究一下看他不釋服到底什麼原因\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n331\t834\t謝謝主席 有請部長 謝謝來 部長請\n14190\t35458\t今天因為蠻多人在問無人機拍攝在小紅書上面的影片我不針對這個內容因為剛剛前面大概都已經回答過了但我這邊比較有疑慮的事情是說因為這件事情大概幾天前發生的嘛那發生的時候當然這個國人對此有疑慮所以記者其實很快就拿來問\n37016\t54308\t問了以後其實那個時候我有先問國防部就是針對這件事情的回應但是並沒有很快得到解答所以就變成說我們在晚間新聞的時候我們就只好自己先來看畫面然後確認到底有沒有無人機的拍攝還是衛星中間有沒有AI然後甚至裡面\n54758\t72644\t那個圖裡面有沒有錯誤就針對這一個來針對媒體回答但我覺得這樣並不是一個很正常的事情就在於說照理說這件事情回答的第一時間在不管是晚間那一定是那個傍晚嘛就是晚間新聞的時候應該是由國防部來說明而不是由我來說明\n72864\t100212\t所以就是說針對這件事情不知道未來因為這一件認知作戰或者相關的威脅又或者說合成的影片又或者真的可能會有拍攝就是說針對這一些訊息我們不需要國防部鉅細靡遺的告訴國人因為這裡面可能牽涉很多互相的攻防但有時候會有一個比較general的回應就是在於說這件事情我們目前掌握到什麼樣的程度然後未來我們可能會在哪裡需要加強是不是針對這一點請部長說明一下\n103109\t119330\t我想委員的指教是正確的啦我想我們會以後碰到這個狀況我們會盡速的來做出回應因為我怕說這個以後可能會越來越多像最近不只只有這些像最近可能在網路上也有很多就是說這個\n120811\t145177\t說跟中國同意沒有什麼不好啊什麼等等之類的這跟國防部沒有直接的關係但很明顯就是有可能對方在做類似的這種網軍的操作那這種操作呢有時候第一時間假設未來開始跟國防有關的時候有可能需要國防部越來越經常性的出來回應那有些可能是國安就可能需要國安局那這個部分我覺得是蠻重要的那另外也有一點就是剛剛前面也有人問過就是中科院針對這一個\n146717\t163940\t無人機的侵擾之前在之前質詢的時候就有提到2023年可能會有一定的這些預警的雷達或什麼等等之類的一個方案那個期程因為剛剛羅委員問過了所以我就不多問但我想問另外一個也是跟這個比較有關係的跟剛剛那個議題其實有關就是\n165141\t186439\t這個把雞的上面這個接收器的晶片疑似有中國製那我現在先不管說它內容到底這個如何或者說到底有沒有中國製這個問題現在有一個狀況跟剛剛有點類似就是在於說其實有好幾次上次我們在問的時候也是就是國防部有主動清查因為場上真的非常多那主動清查之後呢發現有中國製\n187600\t213755\t然後中國製之後請他要改善等等之類的常常會有這樣的一些狀況但常常都會是媒體報導之後然後國防部才出來說的確這個是我們已經有清查過的清查過的時候所以當時有發現所以有請他改善所以會不會針對類似像這樣的事情是不是也有一個改進的空間就是在於說如果今天是有國防部主動他本來就已經發現的他已經清查的他其實可以主動直接跟國人說明\n214155\t214355\t這個我們可以來\n239669\t260595\t討論一下就是說委員的意思應該是說即使在這個事情還沒有被報導之前我們就主動的來說明這件事情這樣就對了對因為我覺得其實有時候有發生錯誤廠商有問題等等之類的或者內控的控管沒有嚴格這些其實有錯誤都沒有關係像今天軍備局的這個報告我有看到他就講說我們現在發現我們有哪幾項錯誤\n263556\t290675\t所以我們這些錯誤來做相關的改正其實我覺得這是一個很健康的態度就是說本來我們就是要滾動式的針對這些事情來做修正那如果說因為是標準不明結果發生了問題又或者說今天是標準明確結果是廠商的問題不同的種類如果國防部先出來說明的話就不用一直來應對媒體這樣的一個又有人出來爆料又可能是廠商可能沒有得標的以後結果跑出來又要爆料一些事物那這個會沒完沒了啦\n291497\t296542\t這個有關於紅火一把雞這個事情向您做個報告第一個我們在這個微博報導之後我們有針對他報導的這個RF接收機和相關的晶片第一個我們詢問的廠商我首先報告我們這個的採購的契約裡面就強調禁止使用中國的\n315840\t345220\t製造的相關內部的元件或是錄製品那第二個我們詢問了廠商之後他是說他不是使用那但是我們也把相關的電子元件目前全部拆解送到專案的實驗室去進行檢查那在檢查出來之後我會向委員做個報告OK好那這個我們再來說明那這個就不一樣因為這個就是他是報導了之後呢就有去問但是他可能不是那不是之後還要再送進一步的檢驗那就不是我剛剛講的這個情形嘛\n346080\t370336\t好那接下來因為這個最近有些駭客活動越來越多但是因為這個是比較長期性的問題那今天跟解凍有關所以我問下一個跟這個跟預算比較有關的就是說因為4月1號的時候就已經有說這一個加薪那等一下可能請部長講一下就是4月1號這個公佈之後對於這個國軍他的士氣等等的影響\n371036\t386241\t但另外我只想追問一個小問題就是說我在去年11月13號的時候有在問就是這個休假補助費因為現在就會有假都休不完的問題那假都休不完呢用加班費不太合適尤其是國軍現在的這個狀況\n387961\t410695\t所以我記得之前嘉賓委員其實也有問過就是休假補助費那因為2024年的時候這個人事總署應該2023、2023就有說要從寬來做一個認定那因為我前陣子問國防部的回應是說就有可能這個休不完的假可能要累積到明年但是如果這樣子的話因為我們都知道如果今年休不完的假累積到明年明年也一定也休不完\n411275\t439455\t那但是這會牽扯到預算因為如果用休假補助金的方式一人就算一天用一千來算那這個如果說用自願一五萬人來算這個金額也不小一億以內啦但它也是一定的金額所以就這個問題因為之前有說三個月之內希望有一個方案那是不是之後可以來這一個辦公室我們再來討論一下就是休假補助金這件事情我們應該要怎麼處理那這邊先請部長想要跟國人說明一下就是四月一號這個加薪之後目前來講這個狀況如何\n441728\t458861\t四月要加薪之後我到基層去做一些訪視的時候可以感覺到他們對這個加薪都非常的有感覺因為這個加薪的幅度以資源一加上戰鬥部隊的\n460198\t477964\t這個加薪的程度來講,我覺得現在都有一定相當程度的成長,像我手上現在的資料如果你以戰鬥部隊來講,以一個二兵來講,如果他現在以志願役的勤務加級加上戰鬥部隊的加級來看的話\n478944\t498115\t惡兵大概都有到五萬四千一百五十塊錢所以我想應該是有感的至於那個加班的那個委員好一些數據先跟委員做個說明就是我們在十月一號加薪之後到目前為止就是報退五\n498635\t528555\t有600多個人抽回來那不釋服的部分也有87個他已經報不釋服但是在加薪之後他又把他抽回來也就是說在留營跟不釋服的這個部分都已經有成效那在招募的部分在第三批社慶的招募也比去年同期增加600多人這是首先跟委員報告那有關那個休假的部分我們現在已經在研擬就是不休假剛剛委員講的我們已經研擬完了那後續找時間再去跟委員辦公室\n528575\t538009\t公司做說明好 謝謝齁好 那謝謝局部長好 謝謝主席好 謝謝昭偉齁這個不釋服了加了薪就釋服了這個其實要研究一下看他不釋服到底什麼原因\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請部長 謝謝來 部長請\n今天因為蠻多人在問無人機拍攝在小紅書上面的影片我不針對這個內容因為剛剛前面大概都已經回答過了但我這邊比較有疑慮的事情是說因為這件事情大概幾天前發生的嘛那發生的時候當然這個國人對此有疑慮所以記者其實很快就拿來問\n問了以後其實那個時候我有先問國防部就是針對這件事情的回應但是並沒有很快得到解答所以就變成說我們在晚間新聞的時候我們就只好自己先來看畫面然後確認到底有沒有無人機的拍攝還是衛星中間有沒有AI然後甚至裡面\n那個圖裡面有沒有錯誤就針對這一個來針對媒體回答但我覺得這樣並不是一個很正常的事情就在於說照理說這件事情回答的第一時間在不管是晚間那一定是那個傍晚嘛就是晚間新聞的時候應該是由國防部來說明而不是由我來說明\n所以就是說針對這件事情不知道未來因為這一件認知作戰或者相關的威脅又或者說合成的影片又或者真的可能會有拍攝就是說針對這一些訊息我們不需要國防部鉅細靡遺的告訴國人因為這裡面可能牽涉很多互相的攻防但有時候會有一個比較general的回應就是在於說這件事情我們目前掌握到什麼樣的程度然後未來我們可能會在哪裡需要加強是不是針對這一點請部長說明一下\n我想委員的指教是正確的啦我想我們會以後碰到這個狀況我們會盡速的來做出回應因為我怕說這個以後可能會越來越多像最近不只只有這些像最近可能在網路上也有很多就是說這個\n說跟中國同意沒有什麼不好啊什麼等等之類的這跟國防部沒有直接的關係但很明顯就是有可能對方在做類似的這種網軍的操作那這種操作呢有時候第一時間假設未來開始跟國防有關的時候有可能需要國防部越來越經常性的出來回應那有些可能是國安就可能需要國安局那這個部分我覺得是蠻重要的那另外也有一點就是剛剛前面也有人問過就是中科院針對這一個\n無人機的侵擾之前在之前質詢的時候就有提到2023年可能會有一定的這些預警的雷達或什麼等等之類的一個方案那個期程因為剛剛羅委員問過了所以我就不多問但我想問另外一個也是跟這個比較有關係的跟剛剛那個議題其實有關就是\n這個把雞的上面這個接收器的晶片疑似有中國製那我現在先不管說它內容到底這個如何或者說到底有沒有中國製這個問題現在有一個狀況跟剛剛有點類似就是在於說其實有好幾次上次我們在問的時候也是就是國防部有主動清查因為場上真的非常多那主動清查之後呢發現有中國製\n然後中國製之後請他要改善等等之類的常常會有這樣的一些狀況但常常都會是媒體報導之後然後國防部才出來說的確這個是我們已經有清查過的清查過的時候所以當時有發現所以有請他改善所以會不會針對類似像這樣的事情是不是也有一個改進的空間就是在於說如果今天是有國防部主動他本來就已經發現的他已經清查的他其實可以主動直接跟國人說明\n這個我們可以來\n討論一下就是說委員的意思應該是說即使在這個事情還沒有被報導之前我們就主動的來說明這件事情這樣就對了對因為我覺得其實有時候有發生錯誤廠商有問題等等之類的或者內控的控管沒有嚴格這些其實有錯誤都沒有關係像今天軍備局的這個報告我有看到他就講說我們現在發現我們有哪幾項錯誤\n所以我們這些錯誤來做相關的改正其實我覺得這是一個很健康的態度就是說本來我們就是要滾動式的針對這些事情來做修正那如果說因為是標準不明結果發生了問題又或者說今天是標準明確結果是廠商的問題不同的種類如果國防部先出來說明的話就不用一直來應對媒體這樣的一個又有人出來爆料又可能是廠商可能沒有得標的以後結果跑出來又要爆料一些事物那這個會沒完沒了啦\n這個有關於紅火一把雞這個事情向您做個報告第一個我們在這個微博報導之後我們有針對他報導的這個RF接收機和相關的晶片第一個我們詢問的廠商我首先報告我們這個的採購的契約裡面就強調禁止使用中國的\n製造的相關內部的元件或是錄製品那第二個我們詢問了廠商之後他是說他不是使用那但是我們也把相關的電子元件目前全部拆解送到專案的實驗室去進行檢查那在檢查出來之後我會向委員做個報告OK好那這個我們再來說明那這個就不一樣因為這個就是他是報導了之後呢就有去問但是他可能不是那不是之後還要再送進一步的檢驗那就不是我剛剛講的這個情形嘛\n好那接下來因為這個最近有些駭客活動越來越多但是因為這個是比較長期性的問題那今天跟解凍有關所以我問下一個跟這個跟預算比較有關的就是說因為4月1號的時候就已經有說這一個加薪那等一下可能請部長講一下就是4月1號這個公佈之後對於這個國軍他的士氣等等的影響\n但另外我只想追問一個小問題就是說我在去年11月13號的時候有在問就是這個休假補助費因為現在就會有假都休不完的問題那假都休不完呢用加班費不太合適尤其是國軍現在的這個狀況\n所以我記得之前嘉賓委員其實也有問過就是休假補助費那因為2024年的時候這個人事總署應該2023、2023就有說要從寬來做一個認定那因為我前陣子問國防部的回應是說就有可能這個休不完的假可能要累積到明年但是如果這樣子的話因為我們都知道如果今年休不完的假累積到明年明年也一定也休不完\n那但是這會牽扯到預算因為如果用休假補助金的方式一人就算一天用一千來算那這個如果說用自願一五萬人來算這個金額也不小一億以內啦但它也是一定的金額所以就這個問題因為之前有說三個月之內希望有一個方案那是不是之後可以來這一個辦公室我們再來討論一下就是休假補助金這件事情我們應該要怎麼處理那這邊先請部長想要跟國人說明一下就是四月一號這個加薪之後目前來講這個狀況如何\n四月要加薪之後我到基層去做一些訪視的時候可以感覺到他們對這個加薪都非常的有感覺因為這個加薪的幅度以資源一加上戰鬥部隊的\n這個加薪的程度來講,我覺得現在都有一定相當程度的成長,像我手上現在的資料如果你以戰鬥部隊來講,以一個二兵來講,如果他現在以志願役的勤務加級加上戰鬥部隊的加級來看的話\n惡兵大概都有到五萬四千一百五十塊錢所以我想應該是有感的至於那個加班的那個委員好一些數據先跟委員做個說明就是我們在十月一號加薪之後到目前為止就是報退五\n有600多個人抽回來那不釋服的部分也有87個他已經報不釋服但是在加薪之後他又把他抽回來也就是說在留營跟不釋服的這個部分都已經有成效那在招募的部分在第三批社慶的招募也比去年同期增加600多人這是首先跟委員報告那有關那個休假的部分我們現在已經在研擬就是不休假剛剛委員講的我們已經研擬完了那後續找時間再去跟委員辦公室\n公司做說明好 謝謝齁好 那謝謝局部長好 謝謝主席好 謝謝昭偉齁這個不釋服了加了薪就釋服了這個其實要研究一下看他不釋服到底什麼原因\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.331 --> 00:00.834\n謝謝主席有請部長謝謝來部長請\n\n00:14.190 --> 00:35.458\n今天因為蠻多人在問無人機拍攝在小紅書上面的影片我不針對這個內容因為剛剛前面大概都已經回答過了但我這邊比較有疑慮的事情是說因為這件事情大概幾天前發生的嘛那發生的時候當然這個國人對此有疑慮所以記者其實很快就拿來問\n\n00:37.016 --> 00:54.308\n問了以後其實那個時候我有先問國防部就是針對這件事情的回應但是並沒有很快得到解答所以就變成說我們在晚間新聞的時候我們就只好自己先來看畫面然後確認到底有沒有無人機的拍攝還是衛星中間有沒有AI然後甚至裡面\n\n00:54.758 --> 01:12.644\n那個圖裡面有沒有錯誤就針對這一個來針對媒體回答但我覺得這樣並不是一個很正常的事情就在於說照理說這件事情回答的第一時間在不管是晚間那一定是那個傍晚嘛就是晚間新聞的時候應該是由國防部來說明而不是由我來說明\n\n01:12.864 --> 01:40.212\n所以就是說針對這件事情不知道未來因為這一件認知作戰或者相關的威脅又或者說合成的影片又或者真的可能會有拍攝就是說針對這一些訊息我們不需要國防部鉅細靡遺的告訴國人因為這裡面可能牽涉很多互相的攻防但有時候會有一個比較general的回應就是在於說這件事情我們目前掌握到什麼樣的程度然後未來我們可能會在哪裡需要加強是不是針對這一點請部長說明一下\n\n01:43.109 --> 01:59.330\n我想委員的指教是正確的啦我想我們會以後碰到這個狀況我們會盡速的來做出回應因為我怕說這個以後可能會越來越多像最近不只只有這些像最近可能在網路上也有很多就是說這個\n\n02:00.811 --> 02:25.177\n說跟中國同意沒有什麼不好啊什麼等等之類的這跟國防部沒有直接的關係但很明顯就是有可能對方在做類似的這種網軍的操作那這種操作呢有時候第一時間假設未來開始跟國防有關的時候有可能需要國防部越來越經常性的出來回應那有些可能是國安就可能需要國安局那這個部分我覺得是蠻重要的那另外也有一點就是剛剛前面也有人問過就是中科院針對這一個\n\n02:26.717 --> 02:43.940\n無人機的侵擾之前在之前質詢的時候就有提到2023年可能會有一定的這些預警的雷達或什麼等等之類的一個方案那個期程因為剛剛羅委員問過了所以我就不多問但我想問另外一個也是跟這個比較有關係的跟剛剛那個議題其實有關就是\n\n02:45.141 --> 03:06.439\n這個把雞的上面這個接收器的晶片疑似有中國製那我現在先不管說它內容到底這個如何或者說到底有沒有中國製這個問題現在有一個狀況跟剛剛有點類似就是在於說其實有好幾次上次我們在問的時候也是就是國防部有主動清查因為場上真的非常多那主動清查之後呢發現有中國製\n\n03:07.600 --> 03:33.755\n然後中國製之後請他要改善等等之類的常常會有這樣的一些狀況但常常都會是媒體報導之後然後國防部才出來說的確這個是我們已經有清查過的清查過的時候所以當時有發現所以有請他改善所以會不會針對類似像這樣的事情是不是也有一個改進的空間就是在於說如果今天是有國防部主動他本來就已經發現的他已經清查的他其實可以主動直接跟國人說明\n\n03:34.155 --> 03:34.355\n這個我們可以來\n\n03:59.669 --> 04:20.595\n討論一下就是說委員的意思應該是說即使在這個事情還沒有被報導之前我們就主動的來說明這件事情這樣就對了對因為我覺得其實有時候有發生錯誤廠商有問題等等之類的或者內控的控管沒有嚴格這些其實有錯誤都沒有關係像今天軍備局的這個報告我有看到他就講說我們現在發現我們有哪幾項錯誤\n\n04:23.556 --> 04:50.675\n所以我們這些錯誤來做相關的改正其實我覺得這是一個很健康的態度就是說本來我們就是要滾動式的針對這些事情來做修正那如果說因為是標準不明結果發生了問題又或者說今天是標準明確結果是廠商的問題不同的種類如果國防部先出來說明的話就不用一直來應對媒體這樣的一個又有人出來爆料又可能是廠商可能沒有得標的以後結果跑出來又要爆料一些事物那這個會沒完沒了啦\n\n04:51.497 --> 04:56.542\n這個有關於紅火一把雞這個事情向您做個報告第一個我們在這個微博報導之後我們有針對他報導的這個RF接收機和相關的晶片第一個我們詢問的廠商我首先報告我們這個的採購的契約裡面就強調禁止使用中國的\n\n05:15.840 --> 05:45.220\n製造的相關內部的元件或是錄製品那第二個我們詢問了廠商之後他是說他不是使用那但是我們也把相關的電子元件目前全部拆解送到專案的實驗室去進行檢查那在檢查出來之後我會向委員做個報告OK好那這個我們再來說明那這個就不一樣因為這個就是他是報導了之後呢就有去問但是他可能不是那不是之後還要再送進一步的檢驗那就不是我剛剛講的這個情形嘛\n\n05:46.080 --> 06:10.336\n好那接下來因為這個最近有些駭客活動越來越多但是因為這個是比較長期性的問題那今天跟解凍有關所以我問下一個跟這個跟預算比較有關的就是說因為4月1號的時候就已經有說這一個加薪那等一下可能請部長講一下就是4月1號這個公佈之後對於這個國軍他的士氣等等的影響\n\n06:11.036 --> 06:26.241\n但另外我只想追問一個小問題就是說我在去年11月13號的時候有在問就是這個休假補助費因為現在就會有假都休不完的問題那假都休不完呢用加班費不太合適尤其是國軍現在的這個狀況\n\n06:27.961 --> 06:50.695\n所以我記得之前嘉賓委員其實也有問過就是休假補助費那因為2024年的時候這個人事總署應該2023、2023就有說要從寬來做一個認定那因為我前陣子問國防部的回應是說就有可能這個休不完的假可能要累積到明年但是如果這樣子的話因為我們都知道如果今年休不完的假累積到明年明年也一定也休不完\n\n06:51.275 --> 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