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00:01:45,129\n這個拜登呢他們兩個其實在過去這幾年讓2025中國製造大概也結束了不管是晶片戰爭等等現在剩下一個日期叫20272027是中國解放軍建軍百年習近平講了很多話他其中講的就是2027要實現百年奮鬥目標\n\n6\n00:01:49,632 --> 00:02:07,168\n其中後面還有就是建構一個在這個區域可以排除干預區域性的強權那很多美方的智庫美方的將領大概就用2027作為解放軍動作的一個設定的D-Day\n\n7\n00:02:07,748 --> 00:02:33,624\n或者是ZeroDay那0日就從那邊計算來的所以我要請教就是說我們看到一些說法2021年3月當時的PhilipDavidson提出6年內中國會對台灣軍事行動6年就是指2027再來2024年的3月我們前一任的Archilino他最近有來台灣他在美國正式的作證\n\n8\n00:02:34,525 --> 00:02:53,525\n也指出解放軍這種種的準備措施大概在2027年前會具備對台採取軍事行動的能力4月24號這個他在接受訪問的時候呢他提出一個情報說習近平指示軍隊2027年前要做好準備再來\n\n9\n00:02:54,986 --> 00:03:19,084\n2024年10月這個帕帕羅上將呢他說2027年解放軍攻台提前發生他對於美軍會擊敗解放軍的能力有信心這時候講到因應了我這待會要請教部長2025年最新的3月18號這個卡頓卡頓是戰略司令部的他在年度的國防大會警告美國的所有將領中國將加速軍事擴張\n\n10\n00:03:22,927 --> 00:03:36,486\n已經回到大國競爭的時代就冷戰時期那他又提出一次習近平只是在2027年前做好奪取台灣的軍事準備那5月15最近這個\n\n11\n00:03:39,449 --> 00:03:54,814\n這位好朋友他是美國在眾議院的重量級的共和黨級議員他是美國與中國共產黨戰略競爭特別委員會的主席另外一個是川普的好朋友是參議員叫做Blackburn\n\n12\n00:03:55,194 --> 00:04:22,663\n他們除了提出各個飯店不應該用中國台灣來貶抑台灣主權以外他裡面提到2027年不是美國的時間表是中國的是習近平的時間表習近平已經下令解放軍在2027年前準備對台動武的能力好我揭露這些東西裡面看到了美國在軍事委員會在相關的委員會作證的情報的指出我第一個要請教\n\n13\n00:04:24,144 --> 00:04:39,640\n部長就我們國防部所掌握的情資解放軍建構的戰爭系統也就是他建構的體系是否已經朝2027年準備完成對台動武的準備你們的判斷是什麼\n\n14\n00:04:40,643 --> 00:05:06,394\n我們認為我們應該要讓我們一方面是料敵從寬一方面是我們要讓他2027年的這樣子的一個所謂的攻台的計畫不斷的往後遞延這是我們的目的讓他每天早上起來覺得今天打台灣好像不是好日子我們再想一下吧這是在區域地緣政治討論很多\n\n15\n00:05:07,515 --> 00:05:16,524\n所以我們要強化我們的自我的防衛能力所以有做一些準備那你有看到中方也在做準備嗎當然中方每天都以他這樣\n\n16\n00:05:18,018 --> 00:05:38,640\n每年大概成長百分之七,每年吧,都七點多趴的這樣的一個軍事預算不斷地在成長,那當然我們對這個東西要加以警惕,這是當然的。所以我請教部長,就是說中國解放軍對台的威脅到二零二七年是不是來到一個高峰,可以這樣講嗎?\n\n17\n00:05:39,946 --> 00:06:01,159\n他的威脅的性質,我沒有問說我們有沒有準備好,就他的準備,他的對我們的威脅,到2027年前後是不是來到一個高峰期?我認為他應該是不斷地會從事這個,他的軍事力量的一個擴張,而且他的野心應該不是只有在於這個亞太的區域,\n\n18\n00:06:01,679 --> 00:06:27,352\n的一個霸權而且他會向這個還會往外擴張整個的往外擴張因為他騷擾的不是只有台灣菲律賓那邊都有那我該問的是他就我們看中國解放軍對台灣的威脅準備到達2027年至少他們的節點要做個盤整那我現在看我軍我們台灣我們國軍我們準備最不足的時候是不是已經過了\n\n19\n00:06:29,662 --> 00:06:49,539\n最危險的我們最敵我的判別人家對我們的威脅他一直堆疊他的能力是一件事情我們自己有沒有準備我們能力夠不夠是另外一個界面兩個界面交叉分析那個點就是最危險的點嘛我想說那就我方我們國軍我直接坦白問最不足最危險的時刻過了沒我想我們\n\n20\n00:06:53,447 --> 00:07:08,222\n要不斷地求進步不斷地要同時進行國防改革所以我們提出來就是說2027要有達成這個高戰備的能力意思就是說我們要能夠在2027年\n\n21\n00:07:10,484 --> 00:07:23,614\n的時候呢要可以達到在極短的時間之內部署跟執行戰那個高戰備的意思其實就是讓我們台灣國軍我坦白講特別是陸軍要成為standinforce\n\n22\n00:07:26,147 --> 00:07:40,524\n戰區內準備好的而這個力量其實指的是我們的主戰部隊第一時間的主戰部隊要有類似美國他們兵海戰鬥團那一區叫StandinginForce在區域內立即快速的擋住\n\n23\n00:07:41,445 --> 00:08:01,411\n我們現在的建構目標是這樣子嗎我想應該不只是我們的陸軍我們所有的三軍都要我剛才問說我們準備最不足或最危險的時候是不是已經過了我看你微笑你應該知道我在問什麼了我時間點我不點出來那個moment要過去那未來威脅我們才要來因應那另外我再進一步問\n\n24\n00:08:02,825 --> 00:08:22,281\n我們高戰備所指的就是在那個當下我們的人跟人的狀態跟部隊的心態都要達到能夠立即因應各種變化敵情指的是這個嘛對也就是說我們要藉由立即備戰的操演憨光演習等等各式的聯合作戰的訓練來\n\n25\n00:08:25,717 --> 00:08:41,428\n或是真實的戰場體驗跟作戰的參數確保我最後一分鐘問幾個重要題目所以在2027年前我們對美軍事採購的項目有沒有根據這個思維要拿到什麼項目我們有所調整有還是沒有\n\n26\n00:08:42,068 --> 00:08:58,293\n我們不斷的在跟美方從這樣子的一個思維出發從我在國安會擔任秘書長的時候就開始討論我們從2021年就不斷的在做這樣子的一個共識的行程\n\n27\n00:08:58,533 --> 00:09:13,628\n美方認為當下最急於提供的裝備也是根據這個思維應該有一些裝備也有所調整我這樣詮釋沒有錯嘛這是一個長期的溝通過程我方認為這個是我需要的他們認為2027年你們應該需要這個兩方討論後之後項目會做一些調整沒有錯吧對關鍵戰力的行程\n\n28\n00:09:20,655 --> 00:09:29,888\n那我最後問一個人的問題我只舉個例子我們今年三軍官校招生女生好像超過了但是男生的學官不足這怎麼辦\n\n29\n00:09:33,454 --> 00:09:57,393\n應該講的是指國防管理學院跟政戰學院的部分我們今年的正規的軍事院校所招收的名額都比我們預期要來得多來得好來得好這個要比去年要來得好很多也就是說我們預期本來是招收一千五百多,今年包圍四千零八\n\n30\n00:09:58,682 --> 00:10:16,845\n預計照說1500多然後報名了4000多這其實比以前好很多不是比較好而已是好很多好非常多男女學官有沒有失衡跟委員報告我覺得就是說現在拿我覺得第一個\n\n31\n00:10:18,089 --> 00:10:44,641\n我們招收希望能夠滿足我們的這個需求那我們確實現在招收的名額已經遠高於我們的預期這是第一點第二點我們在招收的時候我們並不認為要區分男女這樣子的一個比例那第三個我認為女性從事志願役之後她們的表現也不輸於男性\n\n32\n00:10:45,461 --> 00:11:13,244\n那再來就是說我們第四點我簡單講就是說我們之後志願役的這個軍事官兵等退伍之後我們還是納入後備的這個動員邊關的範圍之內我剛才講說我們在招收官校的學官的時候這些學生的時候我們並沒有設定男女生的比例差異沒有嘛我們設定是個總員合我要收一千五這一千五不分男女達標我就用嘛\n\n33\n00:11:13,444 --> 00:11:24,209\n對所以所謂的男生不足女生偏多這句論述本身是錯誤的喔對我們都以成績的優勢來看我們沒有設定性別的差別嘛是OK好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n331\t1178\t主席麻煩顧部長有請部長\n11047\t35594\t市長,我今天要問一個日期的問題,當然日期會有左右更動,但是我們在設定計畫目標的時候,有的時候叫D-Day,有的時候叫Zero Day,就是以事情那一天往回推算,我該做好什麼樣的準備。小朋友七月份要聯考,他就會往前推算,他要幾次模擬考,哪一科考不好,三角函數哪裡不好,我哪裡來修正,大概所有的計畫都跟這個差不多。\n36553\t62123\t那我們最近常常聽到一個時間叫做2027年2027年事實上在2015年提出到現在已經10年了當時習近平提出了幾個時間點2021中國共產黨建軍百年他們要脫貧然後他們時間到了不管有沒有脫貧一定宣布脫貧叫做2021脫貧小康事實上中國現在還有4億人口每月所得低於1000塊\n63644\t84639\t那另外一個2025中國製造也就中國要設定全球製造業的標準就像USB的標準一樣他們認為他們是世界工廠一個COVID-19這個也結束了沒有了所以2021的計畫事實上對中國來講包含李克強這個死掉以後呢中國的脫貧其實是算失敗2025中國製造被川普\n89342\t105129\t這個拜登呢他們兩個其實在過去這幾年讓2025中國製造大概也結束了不管是晶片戰爭等等現在剩下一個日期叫20272027是中國解放軍建軍百年習近平講了很多話他其中講的就是2027要實現百年奮鬥目標\n109632\t127168\t其中後面還有就是建構一個在這個區域可以排除干預區域性的強權那很多美方的智庫美方的將領大概就用2027作為解放軍動作的一個設定的D-Day\n127748\t153624\t或者是Zero Day那0日就從那邊計算來的所以我要請教就是說我們看到一些說法2021年3月當時的Philip Davidson提出6年內中國會對台灣軍事行動6年就是指2027再來2024年的3月我們前一任的Archilino他最近有來台灣他在美國正式的作證\n154525\t173525\t也指出解放軍這種種的準備措施大概在2027年前會具備對台採取軍事行動的能力4月24號這個他在接受訪問的時候呢他提出一個情報說習近平指示軍隊2027年前要做好準備再來\n174986\t199084\t2024年10月這個帕帕羅上將呢他說2027年解放軍攻台提前發生他對於美軍會擊敗解放軍的能力有信心這時候講到因應了我這待會要請教部長2025年最新的3月18號這個卡頓卡頓是戰略司令部的他在年度的國防大會警告美國的所有將領中國將加速軍事擴張\n202927\t216486\t已經回到大國競爭的時代就冷戰時期那他又提出一次習近平只是在2027年前做好奪取台灣的軍事準備那5月15最近這個\n219449\t234814\t這位好朋友他是美國在眾議院的重量級的共和黨級議員他是美國與中國共產黨戰略競爭特別委員會的主席另外一個是川普的好朋友是參議員叫做Blackburn\n235194\t262663\t他們除了提出各個飯店不應該用中國台灣來貶抑台灣主權以外他裡面提到2027年不是美國的時間表是中國的 是習近平的時間表習近平已經下令解放軍在2027年前準備對台動武的能力好 我揭露這些東西裡面看到了美國在軍事委員會在相關的委員會作證的情報的指出我第一個要請教\n264144\t279640\t部長就我們國防部所掌握的情資解放軍建構的戰爭系統也就是他建構的體系是否已經朝2027年準備完成對台動武的準備你們的判斷是什麼\n280643\t306394\t我們認為我們應該要讓我們一方面是料敵從寬一方面是我們要讓他2027年的這樣子的一個所謂的攻台的計畫不斷的往後遞延這是我們的目的讓他每天早上起來覺得今天打台灣好像不是好日子我們再想一下吧這是在區域地緣政治討論很多\n307515\t316524\t所以我們要強化我們的自我的防衛能力所以有做一些準備那你有看到中方也在做準備嗎當然中方每天都以他這樣\n318018\t338640\t每年大概成長百分之七,每年吧,都七點多趴的這樣的一個軍事預算不斷地在成長,那當然我們對這個東西要加以警惕,這是當然的。所以我請教部長,就是說中國解放軍對台的威脅到二零二七年是不是來到一個高峰,可以這樣講嗎?\n339946\t361159\t他的威脅的性質,我沒有問說我們有沒有準備好,就他的準備,他的對我們的威脅,到2027年前後是不是來到一個高峰期?我認為他應該是不斷地會從事這個,他的軍事力量的一個擴張,而且他的野心應該不是只有在於這個亞太的區域,\n361679\t387352\t的一個霸權而且他會向這個還會往外擴張整個的往外擴張因為他騷擾的不是只有台灣菲律賓那邊都有那我該問的是他就我們看中國解放軍對台灣的威脅準備到達2027年至少他們的節點要做個盤整那我現在看我軍我們台灣我們國軍我們準備最不足的時候是不是已經過了\n389662\t409539\t最危險的我們最敵我的判別人家對我們的威脅他一直堆疊他的能力是一件事情我們自己有沒有準備我們能力夠不夠是另外一個界面兩個界面交叉分析那個點就是最危險的點嘛我想說那就我方我們國軍我直接坦白問最不足最危險的時刻過了沒我想我們\n413447\t428222\t要不斷地求進步不斷地要同時進行國防改革所以我們提出來就是說2027要有達成這個高戰備的能力意思就是說我們要能夠在2027年\n430484\t443614\t的時候呢要可以達到在極短的時間之內部署跟執行戰那個高戰備的意思其實就是讓我們台灣國軍我坦白講特別是陸軍要成為stand in force\n446147\t460524\t戰區內準備好的而這個力量其實指的是我們的主戰部隊第一時間的主戰部隊要有類似美國他們兵海戰鬥團那一區叫Standing in Force在區域內立即快速的擋住\n461445\t481411\t我們現在的建構目標是這樣子嗎我想應該不只是我們的陸軍我們所有的三軍都要我剛才問說我們準備最不足或最危險的時候是不是已經過了我看你微笑你應該知道我在問什麼了我時間點我不點出來那個moment要過去那未來威脅我們才要來因應那另外我再進一步問\n482825\t502281\t我們高戰備所指的就是在那個當下我們的人跟人的狀態跟部隊的心態都要達到能夠立即因應各種變化敵情指的是這個嘛對 也就是說我們要藉由立即備戰的操演 憨光演習等等各式的聯合作戰的訓練來\n505717\t521428\t或是真實的戰場體驗跟作戰的參數確保我最後一分鐘問幾個重要題目所以在2027年前我們對美軍事採購的項目有沒有根據這個思維要拿到什麼項目我們有所調整 有還是沒有\n522068\t538293\t我們不斷的在跟美方從這樣子的一個思維出發從我在國安會擔任秘書長的時候就開始討論我們從2021年就不斷的在做這樣子的一個共識的行程\n538533\t553628\t美方認為當下最急於提供的裝備也是根據這個思維應該有一些裝備也有所調整我這樣詮釋沒有錯嘛這是一個長期的溝通過程我方認為這個是我需要的他們認為2027年你們應該需要這個兩方討論後之後項目會做一些調整沒有錯吧對關鍵戰力的行程\n560655\t569888\t那我最後問一個人的問題我只舉個例子我們今年三軍官校招生女生好像超過了但是男生的學官不足這怎麼辦\n573454\t597393\t應該講的是指國防管理學院跟政戰學院的部分我們今年的正規的軍事院校所招收的名額都比我們預期要來得多來得好來得好這個要比去年要來得好很多也就是說我們預期本來是招收一千五百多,今年包圍四千零八\n598682\t616845\t預計照說1500多然後報名了4000多這其實比以前好很多不是比較好而已是好很多好非常多男女學官有沒有失衡跟委員報告我覺得就是說現在拿我覺得第一個\n618089\t644641\t我們招收希望能夠滿足我們的這個需求那我們確實現在招收的名額已經遠高於我們的預期這是第一點第二點我們在招收的時候我們並不認為要區分男女這樣子的一個比例那第三個我認為女性從事志願役之後她們的表現也不輸於男性\n645461\t673244\t那再來就是說我們第四點我簡單講就是說我們之後志願役的這個軍事官兵等退伍之後我們還是納入後備的這個動員邊關的範圍之內我剛才講說我們在招收官校的學官的時候這些學生的時候我們並沒有設定男女生的比例差異沒有嘛我們設定是個總員合我要收一千五這一千五不分男女達標我就用嘛\n673444\t684209\t對 所以所謂的男生不足 女生偏多這句論述本身是錯誤的喔對 我們都以成績的優勢來看我們沒有設定性別的差別嘛是OK 好 謝謝\n","txt":"主席麻煩顧部長有請部長\n市長,我今天要問一個日期的問題,當然日期會有左右更動,但是我們在設定計畫目標的時候,有的時候叫D-Day,有的時候叫Zero Day,就是以事情那一天往回推算,我該做好什麼樣的準備。小朋友七月份要聯考,他就會往前推算,他要幾次模擬考,哪一科考不好,三角函數哪裡不好,我哪裡來修正,大概所有的計畫都跟這個差不多。\n那我們最近常常聽到一個時間叫做2027年2027年事實上在2015年提出到現在已經10年了當時習近平提出了幾個時間點2021中國共產黨建軍百年他們要脫貧然後他們時間到了不管有沒有脫貧一定宣布脫貧叫做2021脫貧小康事實上中國現在還有4億人口每月所得低於1000塊\n那另外一個2025中國製造也就中國要設定全球製造業的標準就像USB的標準一樣他們認為他們是世界工廠一個COVID-19這個也結束了沒有了所以2021的計畫事實上對中國來講包含李克強這個死掉以後呢中國的脫貧其實是算失敗2025中國製造被川普\n這個拜登呢他們兩個其實在過去這幾年讓2025中國製造大概也結束了不管是晶片戰爭等等現在剩下一個日期叫20272027是中國解放軍建軍百年習近平講了很多話他其中講的就是2027要實現百年奮鬥目標\n其中後面還有就是建構一個在這個區域可以排除干預區域性的強權那很多美方的智庫美方的將領大概就用2027作為解放軍動作的一個設定的D-Day\n或者是Zero Day那0日就從那邊計算來的所以我要請教就是說我們看到一些說法2021年3月當時的Philip Davidson提出6年內中國會對台灣軍事行動6年就是指2027再來2024年的3月我們前一任的Archilino他最近有來台灣他在美國正式的作證\n也指出解放軍這種種的準備措施大概在2027年前會具備對台採取軍事行動的能力4月24號這個他在接受訪問的時候呢他提出一個情報說習近平指示軍隊2027年前要做好準備再來\n2024年10月這個帕帕羅上將呢他說2027年解放軍攻台提前發生他對於美軍會擊敗解放軍的能力有信心這時候講到因應了我這待會要請教部長2025年最新的3月18號這個卡頓卡頓是戰略司令部的他在年度的國防大會警告美國的所有將領中國將加速軍事擴張\n已經回到大國競爭的時代就冷戰時期那他又提出一次習近平只是在2027年前做好奪取台灣的軍事準備那5月15最近這個\n這位好朋友他是美國在眾議院的重量級的共和黨級議員他是美國與中國共產黨戰略競爭特別委員會的主席另外一個是川普的好朋友是參議員叫做Blackburn\n他們除了提出各個飯店不應該用中國台灣來貶抑台灣主權以外他裡面提到2027年不是美國的時間表是中國的 是習近平的時間表習近平已經下令解放軍在2027年前準備對台動武的能力好 我揭露這些東西裡面看到了美國在軍事委員會在相關的委員會作證的情報的指出我第一個要請教\n部長就我們國防部所掌握的情資解放軍建構的戰爭系統也就是他建構的體系是否已經朝2027年準備完成對台動武的準備你們的判斷是什麼\n我們認為我們應該要讓我們一方面是料敵從寬一方面是我們要讓他2027年的這樣子的一個所謂的攻台的計畫不斷的往後遞延這是我們的目的讓他每天早上起來覺得今天打台灣好像不是好日子我們再想一下吧這是在區域地緣政治討論很多\n所以我們要強化我們的自我的防衛能力所以有做一些準備那你有看到中方也在做準備嗎當然中方每天都以他這樣\n每年大概成長百分之七,每年吧,都七點多趴的這樣的一個軍事預算不斷地在成長,那當然我們對這個東西要加以警惕,這是當然的。所以我請教部長,就是說中國解放軍對台的威脅到二零二七年是不是來到一個高峰,可以這樣講嗎?\n他的威脅的性質,我沒有問說我們有沒有準備好,就他的準備,他的對我們的威脅,到2027年前後是不是來到一個高峰期?我認為他應該是不斷地會從事這個,他的軍事力量的一個擴張,而且他的野心應該不是只有在於這個亞太的區域,\n的一個霸權而且他會向這個還會往外擴張整個的往外擴張因為他騷擾的不是只有台灣菲律賓那邊都有那我該問的是他就我們看中國解放軍對台灣的威脅準備到達2027年至少他們的節點要做個盤整那我現在看我軍我們台灣我們國軍我們準備最不足的時候是不是已經過了\n最危險的我們最敵我的判別人家對我們的威脅他一直堆疊他的能力是一件事情我們自己有沒有準備我們能力夠不夠是另外一個界面兩個界面交叉分析那個點就是最危險的點嘛我想說那就我方我們國軍我直接坦白問最不足最危險的時刻過了沒我想我們\n要不斷地求進步不斷地要同時進行國防改革所以我們提出來就是說2027要有達成這個高戰備的能力意思就是說我們要能夠在2027年\n的時候呢要可以達到在極短的時間之內部署跟執行戰那個高戰備的意思其實就是讓我們台灣國軍我坦白講特別是陸軍要成為stand in force\n戰區內準備好的而這個力量其實指的是我們的主戰部隊第一時間的主戰部隊要有類似美國他們兵海戰鬥團那一區叫Standing in Force在區域內立即快速的擋住\n我們現在的建構目標是這樣子嗎我想應該不只是我們的陸軍我們所有的三軍都要我剛才問說我們準備最不足或最危險的時候是不是已經過了我看你微笑你應該知道我在問什麼了我時間點我不點出來那個moment要過去那未來威脅我們才要來因應那另外我再進一步問\n我們高戰備所指的就是在那個當下我們的人跟人的狀態跟部隊的心態都要達到能夠立即因應各種變化敵情指的是這個嘛對 也就是說我們要藉由立即備戰的操演 憨光演習等等各式的聯合作戰的訓練來\n或是真實的戰場體驗跟作戰的參數確保我最後一分鐘問幾個重要題目所以在2027年前我們對美軍事採購的項目有沒有根據這個思維要拿到什麼項目我們有所調整 有還是沒有\n我們不斷的在跟美方從這樣子的一個思維出發從我在國安會擔任秘書長的時候就開始討論我們從2021年就不斷的在做這樣子的一個共識的行程\n美方認為當下最急於提供的裝備也是根據這個思維應該有一些裝備也有所調整我這樣詮釋沒有錯嘛這是一個長期的溝通過程我方認為這個是我需要的他們認為2027年你們應該需要這個兩方討論後之後項目會做一些調整沒有錯吧對關鍵戰力的行程\n那我最後問一個人的問題我只舉個例子我們今年三軍官校招生女生好像超過了但是男生的學官不足這怎麼辦\n應該講的是指國防管理學院跟政戰學院的部分我們今年的正規的軍事院校所招收的名額都比我們預期要來得多來得好來得好這個要比去年要來得好很多也就是說我們預期本來是招收一千五百多,今年包圍四千零八\n預計照說1500多然後報名了4000多這其實比以前好很多不是比較好而已是好很多好非常多男女學官有沒有失衡跟委員報告我覺得就是說現在拿我覺得第一個\n我們招收希望能夠滿足我們的這個需求那我們確實現在招收的名額已經遠高於我們的預期這是第一點第二點我們在招收的時候我們並不認為要區分男女這樣子的一個比例那第三個我認為女性從事志願役之後她們的表現也不輸於男性\n那再來就是說我們第四點我簡單講就是說我們之後志願役的這個軍事官兵等退伍之後我們還是納入後備的這個動員邊關的範圍之內我剛才講說我們在招收官校的學官的時候這些學生的時候我們並沒有設定男女生的比例差異沒有嘛我們設定是個總員合我要收一千五這一千五不分男女達標我就用嘛\n對 所以所謂的男生不足 女生偏多這句論述本身是錯誤的喔對 我們都以成績的優勢來看我們沒有設定性別的差別嘛是OK 好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.331 --> 00:01.178\n主席麻煩顧部長有請部長\n\n00:11.047 --> 00:35.594\n市長,我今天要問一個日期的問題,當然日期會有左右更動,但是我們在設定計畫目標的時候,有的時候叫D-Day,有的時候叫ZeroDay,就是以事情那一天往回推算,我該做好什麼樣的準備。小朋友七月份要聯考,他就會往前推算,他要幾次模擬考,哪一科考不好,三角函數哪裡不好,我哪裡來修正,大概所有的計畫都跟這個差不多。\n\n00:36.553 --> 01:02.123\n那我們最近常常聽到一個時間叫做2027年2027年事實上在2015年提出到現在已經10年了當時習近平提出了幾個時間點2021中國共產黨建軍百年他們要脫貧然後他們時間到了不管有沒有脫貧一定宣布脫貧叫做2021脫貧小康事實上中國現在還有4億人口每月所得低於1000塊\n\n01:03.644 --> 01:24.639\n那另外一個2025中國製造也就中國要設定全球製造業的標準就像USB的標準一樣他們認為他們是世界工廠一個COVID-19這個也結束了沒有了所以2021的計畫事實上對中國來講包含李克強這個死掉以後呢中國的脫貧其實是算失敗2025中國製造被川普\n\n01:29.342 --> 01:45.129\n這個拜登呢他們兩個其實在過去這幾年讓2025中國製造大概也結束了不管是晶片戰爭等等現在剩下一個日期叫20272027是中國解放軍建軍百年習近平講了很多話他其中講的就是2027要實現百年奮鬥目標\n\n01:49.632 --> 02:07.168\n其中後面還有就是建構一個在這個區域可以排除干預區域性的強權那很多美方的智庫美方的將領大概就用2027作為解放軍動作的一個設定的D-Day\n\n02:07.748 --> 02:33.624\n或者是ZeroDay那0日就從那邊計算來的所以我要請教就是說我們看到一些說法2021年3月當時的PhilipDavidson提出6年內中國會對台灣軍事行動6年就是指2027再來2024年的3月我們前一任的Archilino他最近有來台灣他在美國正式的作證\n\n02:34.525 --> 02:53.525\n也指出解放軍這種種的準備措施大概在2027年前會具備對台採取軍事行動的能力4月24號這個他在接受訪問的時候呢他提出一個情報說習近平指示軍隊2027年前要做好準備再來\n\n02:54.986 --> 03:19.084\n2024年10月這個帕帕羅上將呢他說2027年解放軍攻台提前發生他對於美軍會擊敗解放軍的能力有信心這時候講到因應了我這待會要請教部長2025年最新的3月18號這個卡頓卡頓是戰略司令部的他在年度的國防大會警告美國的所有將領中國將加速軍事擴張\n\n03:22.927 --> 03:36.486\n已經回到大國競爭的時代就冷戰時期那他又提出一次習近平只是在2027年前做好奪取台灣的軍事準備那5月15最近這個\n\n03:39.449 --> 03:54.814\n這位好朋友他是美國在眾議院的重量級的共和黨級議員他是美國與中國共產黨戰略競爭特別委員會的主席另外一個是川普的好朋友是參議員叫做Blackburn\n\n03:55.194 --> 04:22.663\n他們除了提出各個飯店不應該用中國台灣來貶抑台灣主權以外他裡面提到2027年不是美國的時間表是中國的是習近平的時間表習近平已經下令解放軍在2027年前準備對台動武的能力好我揭露這些東西裡面看到了美國在軍事委員會在相關的委員會作證的情報的指出我第一個要請教\n\n04:24.144 --> 04:39.640\n部長就我們國防部所掌握的情資解放軍建構的戰爭系統也就是他建構的體系是否已經朝2027年準備完成對台動武的準備你們的判斷是什麼\n\n04:40.643 --> 05:06.394\n我們認為我們應該要讓我們一方面是料敵從寬一方面是我們要讓他2027年的這樣子的一個所謂的攻台的計畫不斷的往後遞延這是我們的目的讓他每天早上起來覺得今天打台灣好像不是好日子我們再想一下吧這是在區域地緣政治討論很多\n\n05:07.515 --> 05:16.524\n所以我們要強化我們的自我的防衛能力所以有做一些準備那你有看到中方也在做準備嗎當然中方每天都以他這樣\n\n05:18.018 --> 05:38.640\n每年大概成長百分之七,每年吧,都七點多趴的這樣的一個軍事預算不斷地在成長,那當然我們對這個東西要加以警惕,這是當然的。所以我請教部長,就是說中國解放軍對台的威脅到二零二七年是不是來到一個高峰,可以這樣講嗎?\n\n05:39.946 --> 06:01.159\n他的威脅的性質,我沒有問說我們有沒有準備好,就他的準備,他的對我們的威脅,到2027年前後是不是來到一個高峰期?我認為他應該是不斷地會從事這個,他的軍事力量的一個擴張,而且他的野心應該不是只有在於這個亞太的區域,\n\n06:01.679 --> 06:27.352\n的一個霸權而且他會向這個還會往外擴張整個的往外擴張因為他騷擾的不是只有台灣菲律賓那邊都有那我該問的是他就我們看中國解放軍對台灣的威脅準備到達2027年至少他們的節點要做個盤整那我現在看我軍我們台灣我們國軍我們準備最不足的時候是不是已經過了\n\n06:29.662 --> 06:49.539\n最危險的我們最敵我的判別人家對我們的威脅他一直堆疊他的能力是一件事情我們自己有沒有準備我們能力夠不夠是另外一個界面兩個界面交叉分析那個點就是最危險的點嘛我想說那就我方我們國軍我直接坦白問最不足最危險的時刻過了沒我想我們\n\n06:53.447 --> 07:08.222\n要不斷地求進步不斷地要同時進行國防改革所以我們提出來就是說2027要有達成這個高戰備的能力意思就是說我們要能夠在2027年\n\n07:10.484 --> 07:23.614\n的時候呢要可以達到在極短的時間之內部署跟執行戰那個高戰備的意思其實就是讓我們台灣國軍我坦白講特別是陸軍要成為standinforce\n\n07:26.147 --> 07:40.524\n戰區內準備好的而這個力量其實指的是我們的主戰部隊第一時間的主戰部隊要有類似美國他們兵海戰鬥團那一區叫StandinginForce在區域內立即快速的擋住\n\n07:41.445 --> 08:01.411\n我們現在的建構目標是這樣子嗎我想應該不只是我們的陸軍我們所有的三軍都要我剛才問說我們準備最不足或最危險的時候是不是已經過了我看你微笑你應該知道我在問什麼了我時間點我不點出來那個moment要過去那未來威脅我們才要來因應那另外我再進一步問\n\n08:02.825 --> 08:22.281\n我們高戰備所指的就是在那個當下我們的人跟人的狀態跟部隊的心態都要達到能夠立即因應各種變化敵情指的是這個嘛對也就是說我們要藉由立即備戰的操演憨光演習等等各式的聯合作戰的訓練來\n\n08:25.717 --> 08:41.428\n或是真實的戰場體驗跟作戰的參數確保我最後一分鐘問幾個重要題目所以在2027年前我們對美軍事採購的項目有沒有根據這個思維要拿到什麼項目我們有所調整有還是沒有\n\n08:42.068 --> 08:58.293\n我們不斷的在跟美方從這樣子的一個思維出發從我在國安會擔任秘書長的時候就開始討論我們從2021年就不斷的在做這樣子的一個共識的行程\n\n08:58.533 --> 09:13.628\n美方認為當下最急於提供的裝備也是根據這個思維應該有一些裝備也有所調整我這樣詮釋沒有錯嘛這是一個長期的溝通過程我方認為這個是我需要的他們認為2027年你們應該需要這個兩方討論後之後項目會做一些調整沒有錯吧對關鍵戰力的行程\n\n09:20.655 --> 09:29.888\n那我最後問一個人的問題我只舉個例子我們今年三軍官校招生女生好像超過了但是男生的學官不足這怎麼辦\n\n09:33.454 --> 09:57.393\n應該講的是指國防管理學院跟政戰學院的部分我們今年的正規的軍事院校所招收的名額都比我們預期要來得多來得好來得好這個要比去年要來得好很多也就是說我們預期本來是招收一千五百多,今年包圍四千零八\n\n09:58.682 --> 10:16.845\n預計照說1500多然後報名了4000多這其實比以前好很多不是比較好而已是好很多好非常多男女學官有沒有失衡跟委員報告我覺得就是說現在拿我覺得第一個\n\n10:18.089 --> 10:44.641\n我們招收希望能夠滿足我們的這個需求那我們確實現在招收的名額已經遠高於我們的預期這是第一點第二點我們在招收的時候我們並不認為要區分男女這樣子的一個比例那第三個我認為女性從事志願役之後她們的表現也不輸於男性\n\n10:45.461 --> 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