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--> 00:02:51,745\n那這個第二個問題就是說也是同樣這份報告就是說國民法官的到場率偏低到場率現在只有按照那個時候113年10月所做出來的評估報告國民法官的到場率只有45.9%不到一半\n\n8\n00:02:58,454 --> 00:03:22,717\n這個到場率只有45.9%那所以我是大概針對這兩個問題就請要請我們這個司法院做一下說明我們是不是有什麼樣的措施來這個促使這個司法院進一步提升這個國民法官第一個促成國民法官這個組成他的多元性跟人口結構的這樣子的落差能夠把它彌平第二個就是說有關他的這個到場率的問題有什麼方式可以改善\n\n9\n00:03:25,959 --> 00:03:42,272\n有關於那個國民法官那個組成這個部分齁其實剛開始的時候他是經過兩次那個隨機的那個篩選的所以說是就那個人口裡面事實上沒有特定就是說任何人只要符合資格事實上他都會被那個篩那只是就是說\n\n10\n00:03:43,512 --> 00:04:08,851\n被抽中之後到法院的人呢他這個時候我想就會有他們主觀意願的問題就是什麼人他願意就是進到那個法院來那有些人他就不願意那後來所呈現的就是說到法庭來的實際上擔任國民法官那個人呢就是如同委員所垂詢的就是說他們那個分佈會跟就是整個人口數會有落差我想那個是中間這一層就是說\n\n11\n00:04:10,353 --> 00:04:28,174\n這個gap就是說認識什麼人有什麼樣具體的改善措施嗎提升他的多元化跟他的這個是那我們現在那個司法院所做的就是說還是一直在做那個推廣就是我們多元的那個宣導就是利用這個跟到場率大概有就是\n\n12\n00:04:29,431 --> 00:04:58,110\n我希望說能夠聽到具體的措施啦具體的措施怎麼樣到底現在這個到場率這麼低它的這個具體的原因大概是什麼主要障礙是什麼啦那你們的改善方案是什麼就是描述這個現象這個你們在113年的報告裡面就已經描述了這個現象了但是我經過這一年多的時間我還是沒有看到你們的這個具體的改善措施啦尤其是再過半年115年\n\n13\n00:04:59,871 --> 00:05:24,616\n1月1號我們開始我們這個整個這個國民法官的審判的範圍大幅的擴大大幅擴大我們這個有關這個未來所犯本刑最新最新本刑為10年以上有期徒刑之罪全部通通要納入從明年1月1號開始對不對是所以現在這樣子的狀況我們沒有改善的話我是很擔心半年後這樣子的這個國民法官審判範圍擴大我們這個量能\n\n14\n00:05:27,597 --> 00:05:45,573\n這個量能變這麼大是不是能夠負擔這部分我請你們要評估具體的措施好不好時間的關係第二個就是有關這個量刑就是你們同樣這份報告的第215頁你們提出有關量刑鑑定量能不足的問題\n\n15\n00:05:53,308 --> 00:06:16,813\n那這個我們現在各地的這些醫療院所專業團隊他們對於這個參與量刑鑑定的這個認識跟參與意願還是非常的低啦還是很有限那這個我也是同樣就是說希望我們這個是不是我們跟教育部跟這個衛福部這邊有沒有辦法來增加改善現在實務上對於量能鑑定團隊的這些需求\n\n16\n00:06:17,574 --> 00:06:30,445\n那個跟委員報告就是司法院目前已經有就是把那個全國劃分成北中南還有東四個那個區那我們有主動的去邀請這一些那個法院目前有二十\n\n17\n00:06:35,989 --> 00:06:50,899\n那我再補充一下有關於量能鑑定不足的部分我們行事已經持續在跟相關的醫療機構還有精神鑑定的相關機構來做研細那目前我們把全國分成北中南東四個區塊\n\n18\n00:06:52,180 --> 00:07:13,932\n這個設施是一個解決的部分,但是這部分我們過去確實一直在努力,因為實際上實務上就碰到量能不足的問題但是我們一直,這個學界也一直在提,社會也一直在提,除了這些量刑鑑定以外,有關於科刑資料的這些調查工具,這些部分我們有在做嗎?\n\n19\n00:07:15,172 --> 00:07:36,267\n那我在這邊再做補充,有關於量刑前調查的部分不是鑑定,就是量刑前調查就是科型資料的調查這部分我們已經委託台北大學專案研究,那這個大概在八月份整個研究案就會出來會包括如何做量刑的調查,這部分它有個操作手冊,我們稱為通用版的操作2.0\n\n20\n00:07:37,848 --> 00:07:57,077\n我們有持續在處理因為確實即將在半年就要上路這個我們這個國民法官參審室整個這個他的案件就要擴大了所以這個部分擴大之後下去我自己事實上統計你10年以上的本行我這樣統計就有90多了90\n\n21\n00:08:01,445 --> 00:08:28,963\n二條的相關的這些案件都必須採取國民法官的審判所以這樣的量我希望你們能夠提早因應那接下來這個剩下一半分鐘的時間有關上個禮拜五我們本院的這個院會這個就通過了有關於法庭直播的這個法院組織法的修改禁覆二讀禁覆二讀就是未來這個有關這個法庭\n\n22\n00:08:30,014 --> 00:08:41,670\n要採取在這個事實省的部分也要採行這個這個原則上這個直播原則上不直播在例外直播的狀況那這個\n\n23\n00:08:44,506 --> 00:08:59,375\n這部分這個進覆二讀立法院把這樣子的法院組織法又進覆二讀我個人認為是非常不妥啦這個有關這個司法審判公開雖然是司法司改國事會議的結論但是他的公開的這個方法\n\n24\n00:09:01,656 --> 00:09:18,917\n裡面是不是一定要採用直播這種方式事實上在社會上面是有蠻大的疑慮這樣子的一個社會上大家還有各方不同意見的案子你不把他讓他到委員會來進行專業的審查直接進負二讀\n\n25\n00:09:19,838 --> 00:09:44,422\n我們現在這個立法院的這個立法品質的這禁負惡毒大家也知道那個品質禁負惡毒不要說有沒有討論常常在表決前半個小時我們都還不曉得他最後的這個修正案內容是什麼這個是很大的問題尤其是現在整個朝野協商的這個機制整個被掏空所以在這個幾乎是行事走朝野協商都走行事而已所以變成這樣子這個案子禁負惡毒\n\n26\n00:09:45,062 --> 00:10:01,046\n馬上這個消息出來就引起各方的真的很大的意見我想司法院應該清楚有關法官協會、女法官協會各個基層的這些司法官對於未來的法庭直播看起來是非常非常的有疑慮這部分是不是請我們副院長這邊說明一下\n\n27\n00:10:04,997 --> 00:10:20,873\n那個跟委員報告齁其實我們法官並不怕檢驗齁那我們的目前的法庭也非常的公開透明了齁只要是就是呃可以公開的那個審理的那個案件呢都歡迎大家就是那個進來那個旁聽就是監督這個這個司法這個\n\n28\n00:10:24,136 --> 00:10:43,110\n司法公開審理主要就是要增加司法的透明度還有就是要確保司法的可監督性但是絕對不等於直播不是說只有直播才是司法公開那直播是不是司法公開最好的方式他對司法有什麼樣的好處對公開審判有什麼好處他對公開審判造成什麼樣的\n\n29\n00:10:46,713 --> 00:11:06,065\n的影響什麼樣的負面影響這個東西當然是事關重大事關重大現在這樣子的你如果說所有的法院法庭都必須直播當然這個法院組織法我知道它裡面有一些有一些例外的例外的不直播有一些規定但是事實上這樣直播的方式它最大的問題\n\n30\n00:11:07,657 --> 00:11:30,382\n有一些疑慮是在我們立法之前一定要解決的一個報告委員就是因為他的疑慮非常大那所以說其實外國他們也都做了非常多的研究我知道我們這邊也都列出了外國立法例這個最怕的就是發生輿論的公審網路霸凌造成案件的這些包括連證人鑑定人他們的出席意願整個都降低甚至我們剛剛所討論國民法官\n\n31\n00:11:32,682 --> 00:11:48,496\n大家可能國民法官要擔任國民法官因為我要被直播所以我擔任國民法院議員就更加的低落啦更加低落這些都是問題啦都是問題那更這些只是技術問題而已最怕的就是他衝擊這個這個不利於事實調查\n\n32\n00:11:49,617 --> 00:12:18,156\n這才是我們最怕不利於事實調查他沒有影響公平審判他侵害訴訟當事人的訴訟權這個東西會不會這方面的影響要如何的來避免一定要把這些問題都排除之後這個法庭的直播他才應該上路你剛剛提到外國立法例我事實上我這邊也列出了很多日本都是禁止的日本美國聯邦法院他一律禁止媒體轉播部分的州法院有可以轉播\n\n33\n00:12:19,056 --> 00:12:40,245\n英國、加拿大、法國、德國這些我們都有列那台灣我們就是最進步啦這些網紅直播主這個在台灣也是特別的發達啦這個我想我們把這樣的法院組織法把它淨附二讀這部分我希望我們司法院這邊能夠確實的去了解我們現在目前不管是這個\n\n34\n00:12:42,326 --> 00:12:59,633\n盤點我們整個開放法庭直播它造成的衝擊啦這個可能很快因為進負惡毒可能很快就要面對了很快就要面對了它造成的重大衝擊喔你們要適時的對外說明好不好是是好不好好謝謝委員委員一律也是我們司法院的立場謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n20461\t25104\t主席我們請這個世保院副秘書長副秘書長請\n30009\t47301\t我們今天是針對我們司法院的一些凍結的預算來進行解凍案事實上在去年的總預算審查的時候我們有幾項的主決議,我看今天書面報告已經送來了我特別關心\n49133\t53775\t去年在總預算審查的時候,有關於第21項、26項、28項的這個組決議有關這個國民參與審判制度的這個成效大概都是,這個決議都是有關這個國民參與審判制度的這個成效的評估那這個部分\n68882\t83369\t這個我看你們在5月10號有送了有把這三個案子的三個組決議的書面報告都送到本委員會來那我仔細的看那大致上的內容大概跟我們113年10月所做出來的這個112年國慾參與審判制度的成效評估報告大概就是這個內容大概一致\n93717\t120798\t那所以我大概就以這個112年的這個國民參審制的這個成效評估報告裡面的一些問題那在現在又經過了這個一年,我大概有些問題來跟副秘書長請教一下我看我們這個評估報告裡面第55頁他大概提出現在目前兩個這個國民法官的這個參審制度的這個最大的兩個問題\n123021\t151355\t第一個問題是我們目前所選出來這些國民法官的候選人他的組成他的這些年齡、學歷跟職業分佈跟全國人口的這個落差這是我們自己評估報告指出來第一個大問題尤其是在五十歲以上的人口高中職學歷以下還有退休的、無業的、家管的、公教人員、學生這些比例在整個人口結構的比例上面都有極大的落差這些部分都比例偏低\n152830\t171745\t那這個第二個問題就是說也是同樣這份報告就是說國民法官的到場率偏低到場率現在只有按照那個時候113年10月所做出來的評估報告國民法官的到場率只有45.9%不到一半\n178454\t202717\t這個到場率只有45.9%那所以我是大概針對這兩個問題就請要請我們這個司法院做一下說明我們是不是有什麼樣的措施來這個促使這個司法院進一步提升這個國民法官第一個促成國民法官這個組成他的多元性跟人口結構的這樣子的落差能夠把它彌平第二個就是說有關他的這個到場率的問題有什麼方式可以改善\n205959\t222272\t有關於那個國民法官那個組成這個部分齁其實剛開始的時候他是經過兩次那個隨機的那個篩選的所以說是就那個人口裡面事實上沒有特定就是說任何人只要符合資格事實上他都會被那個篩那只是就是說\n223512\t248851\t被抽中之後到法院的人呢他這個時候我想就會有他們主觀意願的問題就是什麼人他願意就是進到那個法院來那有些人他就不願意那後來所呈現的就是說到法庭來的實際上擔任國民法官那個人呢就是如同委員所垂詢的就是說他們那個分佈會跟就是整個人口數會有落差我想那個是中間這一層就是說\n250353\t268174\t這個gap就是說認識什麼人有什麼樣具體的改善措施嗎提升他的多元化跟他的這個是那我們現在那個司法院所做的就是說還是一直在做那個推廣就是我們多元的那個宣導就是利用這個跟到場率大概有就是\n269431\t298110\t我希望說能夠聽到具體的措施啦具體的措施怎麼樣到底現在這個到場率這麼低它的這個具體的原因大概是什麼主要障礙是什麼啦那你們的改善方案是什麼就是描述這個現象這個你們在113年的報告裡面就已經描述了這個現象了但是我經過這一年多的時間我還是沒有看到你們的這個具體的改善措施啦尤其是再過半年115年\n299871\t324616\t1月1號我們開始我們這個整個這個國民法官的審判的範圍大幅的擴大大幅擴大我們這個有關這個未來所犯本刑最新最新本刑為10年以上有期徒刑之罪全部通通要納入從明年1月1號開始對不對是所以現在這樣子的狀況我們沒有改善的話我是很擔心半年後這樣子的這個國民法官審判範圍擴大我們這個量能\n327597\t345573\t這個量能變這麼大是不是能夠負擔這部分我請你們要評估具體的措施好不好時間的關係第二個就是有關這個量刑就是你們同樣這份報告的第215頁你們提出有關量刑鑑定量能不足的問題\n353308\t376813\t那這個我們現在各地的這些醫療院所專業團隊他們對於這個參與量刑鑑定的這個認識跟參與意願還是非常的低啦還是很有限那這個我也是同樣就是說希望我們這個是不是我們跟教育部跟這個衛福部這邊有沒有辦法來增加改善現在實務上對於量能鑑定團隊的這些需求\n377574\t390445\t那個跟委員報告就是司法院目前已經有就是把那個全國劃分成北中南還有東四個那個區那我們有主動的去邀請這一些那個法院目前有二十\n395989\t410899\t那我再補充一下有關於量能鑑定不足的部分我們行事已經持續在跟相關的醫療機構還有精神鑑定的相關機構來做研細那目前我們把全國分成北中南東四個區塊\n412180\t433932\t這個設施是一個解決的部分,但是這部分我們過去確實一直在努力,因為實際上實務上就碰到量能不足的問題但是我們一直,這個學界也一直在提,社會也一直在提,除了這些量刑鑑定以外,有關於科刑資料的這些調查工具,這些部分我們有在做嗎?\n435172\t456267\t那我在這邊再做補充,有關於量刑前調查的部分不是鑑定,就是量刑前調查就是科型資料的調查這部分我們已經委託台北大學專案研究,那這個大概在八月份整個研究案就會出來會包括如何做量刑的調查,這部分它有個操作手冊,我們稱為通用版的操作2.0\n457848\t477077\t我們有持續在處理因為確實即將在半年就要上路這個我們這個國民法官參審室整個這個他的案件就要擴大了所以這個部分擴大之後下去我自己事實上統計你10年以上的本行我這樣統計就有90多了90\n481445\t508963\t二條的相關的這些案件都必須採取國民法官的審判所以這樣的量我希望你們能夠提早因應那接下來這個剩下一半分鐘的時間有關上個禮拜五我們本院的這個院會這個就通過了有關於法庭直播的這個法院組織法的修改禁覆二讀禁覆二讀就是未來這個有關這個法庭\n510014\t521670\t要採取在這個事實省的部分也要採行這個這個原則上這個直播原則上不直播在例外直播的狀況那這個\n524506\t539375\t這部分這個進覆二讀立法院把這樣子的法院組織法又進覆二讀我個人認為是非常不妥啦這個有關這個司法審判公開雖然是司法司改國事會議的結論但是他的公開的這個方法\n541656\t558917\t裡面是不是一定要採用直播這種方式事實上在社會上面是有蠻大的疑慮這樣子的一個社會上大家還有各方不同意見的案子你不把他讓他到委員會來進行專業的審查直接進負二讀\n559838\t584422\t我們現在這個立法院的這個立法品質的這禁負惡毒大家也知道那個品質禁負惡毒不要說有沒有討論常常在表決前半個小時我們都還不曉得他最後的這個修正案內容是什麼這個是很大的問題尤其是現在整個朝野協商的這個機制整個被掏空所以在這個幾乎是行事走朝野協商都走行事而已所以變成這樣子這個案子禁負惡毒\n585062\t601046\t馬上這個消息出來就引起各方的真的很大的意見我想司法院應該清楚有關法官協會、女法官協會各個基層的這些司法官對於未來的法庭直播看起來是非常非常的有疑慮這部分是不是請我們副院長這邊說明一下\n604997\t620873\t那個跟委員報告齁其實我們法官並不怕檢驗齁那我們的目前的法庭也非常的公開透明了齁只要是就是呃可以公開的那個審理的那個案件呢都歡迎大家就是那個進來那個旁聽就是監督這個這個司法這個\n624136\t643110\t司法公開審理主要就是要增加司法的透明度還有就是要確保司法的可監督性但是絕對不等於直播不是說只有直播才是司法公開那直播是不是司法公開最好的方式他對司法有什麼樣的好處對公開審判有什麼好處他對公開審判造成什麼樣的\n646713\t666065\t的影響什麼樣的負面影響這個東西當然是事關重大事關重大現在這樣子的你如果說所有的法院法庭都必須直播當然這個法院組織法我知道它裡面有一些有一些例外的例外的不直播有一些規定但是事實上這樣直播的方式它最大的問題\n667657\t690382\t有一些疑慮是在我們立法之前一定要解決的一個報告委員就是因為他的疑慮非常大那所以說其實外國他們也都做了非常多的研究我知道我們這邊也都列出了外國立法例這個最怕的就是發生輿論的公審網路霸凌造成案件的這些包括連證人鑑定人他們的出席意願整個都降低甚至我們剛剛所討論國民法官\n692682\t708496\t大家可能國民法官要擔任國民法官因為我要被直播所以我擔任國民法院議員就更加的低落啦 更加低落這些都是問題啦 都是問題那更 這些只是技術問題而已最怕的就是他衝擊這個這個不利於事實調查\n709617\t738156\t這才是我們最怕 不利於事實調查他沒有影響公平審判他侵害訴訟當事人的訴訟權這個東西會不會這方面的影響要如何的來避免一定要把這些問題都排除之後這個法庭的直播他才應該上路你剛剛提到外國立法例我事實上我這邊也列出了很多日本都是禁止的日本美國聯邦法院他一律禁止媒體轉播部分的州法院有可以轉播\n739056\t760245\t英國、加拿大、法國、德國這些我們都有列那台灣我們就是最進步啦這些網紅直播主這個在台灣也是特別的發達啦這個我想我們把這樣的法院組織法把它淨附二讀這部分我希望我們司法院這邊能夠確實的去了解我們現在目前不管是這個\n762326\t779633\t盤點我們整個開放法庭直播它造成的衝擊啦這個可能很快因為進負惡毒可能很快就要面對了很快就要面對了它造成的重大衝擊喔你們要適時的對外說明好不好是是好不好好謝謝委員委員一律也是我們司法院的立場謝謝好謝謝\n","txt":"主席我們請這個世保院副秘書長副秘書長請\n我們今天是針對我們司法院的一些凍結的預算來進行解凍案事實上在去年的總預算審查的時候我們有幾項的主決議,我看今天書面報告已經送來了我特別關心\n去年在總預算審查的時候,有關於第21項、26項、28項的這個組決議有關這個國民參與審判制度的這個成效大概都是,這個決議都是有關這個國民參與審判制度的這個成效的評估那這個部分\n這個我看你們在5月10號有送了有把這三個案子的三個組決議的書面報告都送到本委員會來那我仔細的看那大致上的內容大概跟我們113年10月所做出來的這個112年國慾參與審判制度的成效評估報告大概就是這個內容大概一致\n那所以我大概就以這個112年的這個國民參審制的這個成效評估報告裡面的一些問題那在現在又經過了這個一年,我大概有些問題來跟副秘書長請教一下我看我們這個評估報告裡面第55頁他大概提出現在目前兩個這個國民法官的這個參審制度的這個最大的兩個問題\n第一個問題是我們目前所選出來這些國民法官的候選人他的組成他的這些年齡、學歷跟職業分佈跟全國人口的這個落差這是我們自己評估報告指出來第一個大問題尤其是在五十歲以上的人口高中職學歷以下還有退休的、無業的、家管的、公教人員、學生這些比例在整個人口結構的比例上面都有極大的落差這些部分都比例偏低\n那這個第二個問題就是說也是同樣這份報告就是說國民法官的到場率偏低到場率現在只有按照那個時候113年10月所做出來的評估報告國民法官的到場率只有45.9%不到一半\n這個到場率只有45.9%那所以我是大概針對這兩個問題就請要請我們這個司法院做一下說明我們是不是有什麼樣的措施來這個促使這個司法院進一步提升這個國民法官第一個促成國民法官這個組成他的多元性跟人口結構的這樣子的落差能夠把它彌平第二個就是說有關他的這個到場率的問題有什麼方式可以改善\n有關於那個國民法官那個組成這個部分齁其實剛開始的時候他是經過兩次那個隨機的那個篩選的所以說是就那個人口裡面事實上沒有特定就是說任何人只要符合資格事實上他都會被那個篩那只是就是說\n被抽中之後到法院的人呢他這個時候我想就會有他們主觀意願的問題就是什麼人他願意就是進到那個法院來那有些人他就不願意那後來所呈現的就是說到法庭來的實際上擔任國民法官那個人呢就是如同委員所垂詢的就是說他們那個分佈會跟就是整個人口數會有落差我想那個是中間這一層就是說\n這個gap就是說認識什麼人有什麼樣具體的改善措施嗎提升他的多元化跟他的這個是那我們現在那個司法院所做的就是說還是一直在做那個推廣就是我們多元的那個宣導就是利用這個跟到場率大概有就是\n我希望說能夠聽到具體的措施啦具體的措施怎麼樣到底現在這個到場率這麼低它的這個具體的原因大概是什麼主要障礙是什麼啦那你們的改善方案是什麼就是描述這個現象這個你們在113年的報告裡面就已經描述了這個現象了但是我經過這一年多的時間我還是沒有看到你們的這個具體的改善措施啦尤其是再過半年115年\n1月1號我們開始我們這個整個這個國民法官的審判的範圍大幅的擴大大幅擴大我們這個有關這個未來所犯本刑最新最新本刑為10年以上有期徒刑之罪全部通通要納入從明年1月1號開始對不對是所以現在這樣子的狀況我們沒有改善的話我是很擔心半年後這樣子的這個國民法官審判範圍擴大我們這個量能\n這個量能變這麼大是不是能夠負擔這部分我請你們要評估具體的措施好不好時間的關係第二個就是有關這個量刑就是你們同樣這份報告的第215頁你們提出有關量刑鑑定量能不足的問題\n那這個我們現在各地的這些醫療院所專業團隊他們對於這個參與量刑鑑定的這個認識跟參與意願還是非常的低啦還是很有限那這個我也是同樣就是說希望我們這個是不是我們跟教育部跟這個衛福部這邊有沒有辦法來增加改善現在實務上對於量能鑑定團隊的這些需求\n那個跟委員報告就是司法院目前已經有就是把那個全國劃分成北中南還有東四個那個區那我們有主動的去邀請這一些那個法院目前有二十\n那我再補充一下有關於量能鑑定不足的部分我們行事已經持續在跟相關的醫療機構還有精神鑑定的相關機構來做研細那目前我們把全國分成北中南東四個區塊\n這個設施是一個解決的部分,但是這部分我們過去確實一直在努力,因為實際上實務上就碰到量能不足的問題但是我們一直,這個學界也一直在提,社會也一直在提,除了這些量刑鑑定以外,有關於科刑資料的這些調查工具,這些部分我們有在做嗎?\n那我在這邊再做補充,有關於量刑前調查的部分不是鑑定,就是量刑前調查就是科型資料的調查這部分我們已經委託台北大學專案研究,那這個大概在八月份整個研究案就會出來會包括如何做量刑的調查,這部分它有個操作手冊,我們稱為通用版的操作2.0\n我們有持續在處理因為確實即將在半年就要上路這個我們這個國民法官參審室整個這個他的案件就要擴大了所以這個部分擴大之後下去我自己事實上統計你10年以上的本行我這樣統計就有90多了90\n二條的相關的這些案件都必須採取國民法官的審判所以這樣的量我希望你們能夠提早因應那接下來這個剩下一半分鐘的時間有關上個禮拜五我們本院的這個院會這個就通過了有關於法庭直播的這個法院組織法的修改禁覆二讀禁覆二讀就是未來這個有關這個法庭\n要採取在這個事實省的部分也要採行這個這個原則上這個直播原則上不直播在例外直播的狀況那這個\n這部分這個進覆二讀立法院把這樣子的法院組織法又進覆二讀我個人認為是非常不妥啦這個有關這個司法審判公開雖然是司法司改國事會議的結論但是他的公開的這個方法\n裡面是不是一定要採用直播這種方式事實上在社會上面是有蠻大的疑慮這樣子的一個社會上大家還有各方不同意見的案子你不把他讓他到委員會來進行專業的審查直接進負二讀\n我們現在這個立法院的這個立法品質的這禁負惡毒大家也知道那個品質禁負惡毒不要說有沒有討論常常在表決前半個小時我們都還不曉得他最後的這個修正案內容是什麼這個是很大的問題尤其是現在整個朝野協商的這個機制整個被掏空所以在這個幾乎是行事走朝野協商都走行事而已所以變成這樣子這個案子禁負惡毒\n馬上這個消息出來就引起各方的真的很大的意見我想司法院應該清楚有關法官協會、女法官協會各個基層的這些司法官對於未來的法庭直播看起來是非常非常的有疑慮這部分是不是請我們副院長這邊說明一下\n那個跟委員報告齁其實我們法官並不怕檢驗齁那我們的目前的法庭也非常的公開透明了齁只要是就是呃可以公開的那個審理的那個案件呢都歡迎大家就是那個進來那個旁聽就是監督這個這個司法這個\n司法公開審理主要就是要增加司法的透明度還有就是要確保司法的可監督性但是絕對不等於直播不是說只有直播才是司法公開那直播是不是司法公開最好的方式他對司法有什麼樣的好處對公開審判有什麼好處他對公開審判造成什麼樣的\n的影響什麼樣的負面影響這個東西當然是事關重大事關重大現在這樣子的你如果說所有的法院法庭都必須直播當然這個法院組織法我知道它裡面有一些有一些例外的例外的不直播有一些規定但是事實上這樣直播的方式它最大的問題\n有一些疑慮是在我們立法之前一定要解決的一個報告委員就是因為他的疑慮非常大那所以說其實外國他們也都做了非常多的研究我知道我們這邊也都列出了外國立法例這個最怕的就是發生輿論的公審網路霸凌造成案件的這些包括連證人鑑定人他們的出席意願整個都降低甚至我們剛剛所討論國民法官\n大家可能國民法官要擔任國民法官因為我要被直播所以我擔任國民法院議員就更加的低落啦 更加低落這些都是問題啦 都是問題那更 這些只是技術問題而已最怕的就是他衝擊這個這個不利於事實調查\n這才是我們最怕 不利於事實調查他沒有影響公平審判他侵害訴訟當事人的訴訟權這個東西會不會這方面的影響要如何的來避免一定要把這些問題都排除之後這個法庭的直播他才應該上路你剛剛提到外國立法例我事實上我這邊也列出了很多日本都是禁止的日本美國聯邦法院他一律禁止媒體轉播部分的州法院有可以轉播\n英國、加拿大、法國、德國這些我們都有列那台灣我們就是最進步啦這些網紅直播主這個在台灣也是特別的發達啦這個我想我們把這樣的法院組織法把它淨附二讀這部分我希望我們司法院這邊能夠確實的去了解我們現在目前不管是這個\n盤點我們整個開放法庭直播它造成的衝擊啦這個可能很快因為進負惡毒可能很快就要面對了很快就要面對了它造成的重大衝擊喔你們要適時的對外說明好不好是是好不好好謝謝委員委員一律也是我們司法院的立場謝謝好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:20.461 --> 00:25.104\n主席我們請這個世保院副秘書長副秘書長請\n\n00:30.009 --> 00:47.301\n我們今天是針對我們司法院的一些凍結的預算來進行解凍案事實上在去年的總預算審查的時候我們有幾項的主決議,我看今天書面報告已經送來了我特別關心\n\n00:49.133 --> 00:53.775\n去年在總預算審查的時候,有關於第21項、26項、28項的這個組決議有關這個國民參與審判制度的這個成效大概都是,這個決議都是有關這個國民參與審判制度的這個成效的評估那這個部分\n\n01:08.882 --> 01:23.369\n這個我看你們在5月10號有送了有把這三個案子的三個組決議的書面報告都送到本委員會來那我仔細的看那大致上的內容大概跟我們113年10月所做出來的這個112年國慾參與審判制度的成效評估報告大概就是這個內容大概一致\n\n01:33.717 --> 02:00.798\n那所以我大概就以這個112年的這個國民參審制的這個成效評估報告裡面的一些問題那在現在又經過了這個一年,我大概有些問題來跟副秘書長請教一下我看我們這個評估報告裡面第55頁他大概提出現在目前兩個這個國民法官的這個參審制度的這個最大的兩個問題\n\n02:03.021 --> 02:31.355\n第一個問題是我們目前所選出來這些國民法官的候選人他的組成他的這些年齡、學歷跟職業分佈跟全國人口的這個落差這是我們自己評估報告指出來第一個大問題尤其是在五十歲以上的人口高中職學歷以下還有退休的、無業的、家管的、公教人員、學生這些比例在整個人口結構的比例上面都有極大的落差這些部分都比例偏低\n\n02:32.830 --> 02:51.745\n那這個第二個問題就是說也是同樣這份報告就是說國民法官的到場率偏低到場率現在只有按照那個時候113年10月所做出來的評估報告國民法官的到場率只有45.9%不到一半\n\n02:58.454 --> 03:22.717\n這個到場率只有45.9%那所以我是大概針對這兩個問題就請要請我們這個司法院做一下說明我們是不是有什麼樣的措施來這個促使這個司法院進一步提升這個國民法官第一個促成國民法官這個組成他的多元性跟人口結構的這樣子的落差能夠把它彌平第二個就是說有關他的這個到場率的問題有什麼方式可以改善\n\n03:25.959 --> 03:42.272\n有關於那個國民法官那個組成這個部分齁其實剛開始的時候他是經過兩次那個隨機的那個篩選的所以說是就那個人口裡面事實上沒有特定就是說任何人只要符合資格事實上他都會被那個篩那只是就是說\n\n03:43.512 --> 04:08.851\n被抽中之後到法院的人呢他這個時候我想就會有他們主觀意願的問題就是什麼人他願意就是進到那個法院來那有些人他就不願意那後來所呈現的就是說到法庭來的實際上擔任國民法官那個人呢就是如同委員所垂詢的就是說他們那個分佈會跟就是整個人口數會有落差我想那個是中間這一層就是說\n\n04:10.353 --> 04:28.174\n這個gap就是說認識什麼人有什麼樣具體的改善措施嗎提升他的多元化跟他的這個是那我們現在那個司法院所做的就是說還是一直在做那個推廣就是我們多元的那個宣導就是利用這個跟到場率大概有就是\n\n04:29.431 --> 04:58.110\n我希望說能夠聽到具體的措施啦具體的措施怎麼樣到底現在這個到場率這麼低它的這個具體的原因大概是什麼主要障礙是什麼啦那你們的改善方案是什麼就是描述這個現象這個你們在113年的報告裡面就已經描述了這個現象了但是我經過這一年多的時間我還是沒有看到你們的這個具體的改善措施啦尤其是再過半年115年\n\n04:59.871 --> 05:24.616\n1月1號我們開始我們這個整個這個國民法官的審判的範圍大幅的擴大大幅擴大我們這個有關這個未來所犯本刑最新最新本刑為10年以上有期徒刑之罪全部通通要納入從明年1月1號開始對不對是所以現在這樣子的狀況我們沒有改善的話我是很擔心半年後這樣子的這個國民法官審判範圍擴大我們這個量能\n\n05:27.597 --> 05:45.573\n這個量能變這麼大是不是能夠負擔這部分我請你們要評估具體的措施好不好時間的關係第二個就是有關這個量刑就是你們同樣這份報告的第215頁你們提出有關量刑鑑定量能不足的問題\n\n05:53.308 --> 06:16.813\n那這個我們現在各地的這些醫療院所專業團隊他們對於這個參與量刑鑑定的這個認識跟參與意願還是非常的低啦還是很有限那這個我也是同樣就是說希望我們這個是不是我們跟教育部跟這個衛福部這邊有沒有辦法來增加改善現在實務上對於量能鑑定團隊的這些需求\n\n06:17.574 --> 06:30.445\n那個跟委員報告就是司法院目前已經有就是把那個全國劃分成北中南還有東四個那個區那我們有主動的去邀請這一些那個法院目前有二十\n\n06:35.989 --> 06:50.899\n那我再補充一下有關於量能鑑定不足的部分我們行事已經持續在跟相關的醫療機構還有精神鑑定的相關機構來做研細那目前我們把全國分成北中南東四個區塊\n\n06:52.180 --> 07:13.932\n這個設施是一個解決的部分,但是這部分我們過去確實一直在努力,因為實際上實務上就碰到量能不足的問題但是我們一直,這個學界也一直在提,社會也一直在提,除了這些量刑鑑定以外,有關於科刑資料的這些調查工具,這些部分我們有在做嗎?\n\n07:15.172 --> 07:36.267\n那我在這邊再做補充,有關於量刑前調查的部分不是鑑定,就是量刑前調查就是科型資料的調查這部分我們已經委託台北大學專案研究,那這個大概在八月份整個研究案就會出來會包括如何做量刑的調查,這部分它有個操作手冊,我們稱為通用版的操作2.0\n\n07:37.848 --> 07:57.077\n我們有持續在處理因為確實即將在半年就要上路這個我們這個國民法官參審室整個這個他的案件就要擴大了所以這個部分擴大之後下去我自己事實上統計你10年以上的本行我這樣統計就有90多了90\n\n08:01.445 --> 08:28.963\n二條的相關的這些案件都必須採取國民法官的審判所以這樣的量我希望你們能夠提早因應那接下來這個剩下一半分鐘的時間有關上個禮拜五我們本院的這個院會這個就通過了有關於法庭直播的這個法院組織法的修改禁覆二讀禁覆二讀就是未來這個有關這個法庭\n\n08:30.014 --> 08:41.670\n要採取在這個事實省的部分也要採行這個這個原則上這個直播原則上不直播在例外直播的狀況那這個\n\n08:44.506 --> 08:59.375\n這部分這個進覆二讀立法院把這樣子的法院組織法又進覆二讀我個人認為是非常不妥啦這個有關這個司法審判公開雖然是司法司改國事會議的結論但是他的公開的這個方法\n\n09:01.656 --> 09:18.917\n裡面是不是一定要採用直播這種方式事實上在社會上面是有蠻大的疑慮這樣子的一個社會上大家還有各方不同意見的案子你不把他讓他到委員會來進行專業的審查直接進負二讀\n\n09:19.838 --> 09:44.422\n我們現在這個立法院的這個立法品質的這禁負惡毒大家也知道那個品質禁負惡毒不要說有沒有討論常常在表決前半個小時我們都還不曉得他最後的這個修正案內容是什麼這個是很大的問題尤其是現在整個朝野協商的這個機制整個被掏空所以在這個幾乎是行事走朝野協商都走行事而已所以變成這樣子這個案子禁負惡毒\n\n09:45.062 --> 10:01.046\n馬上這個消息出來就引起各方的真的很大的意見我想司法院應該清楚有關法官協會、女法官協會各個基層的這些司法官對於未來的法庭直播看起來是非常非常的有疑慮這部分是不是請我們副院長這邊說明一下\n\n10:04.997 --> 10:20.873\n那個跟委員報告齁其實我們法官並不怕檢驗齁那我們的目前的法庭也非常的公開透明了齁只要是就是呃可以公開的那個審理的那個案件呢都歡迎大家就是那個進來那個旁聽就是監督這個這個司法這個\n\n10:24.136 --> 10:43.110\n司法公開審理主要就是要增加司法的透明度還有就是要確保司法的可監督性但是絕對不等於直播不是說只有直播才是司法公開那直播是不是司法公開最好的方式他對司法有什麼樣的好處對公開審判有什麼好處他對公開審判造成什麼樣的\n\n10:46.713 --> 11:06.065\n的影響什麼樣的負面影響這個東西當然是事關重大事關重大現在這樣子的你如果說所有的法院法庭都必須直播當然這個法院組織法我知道它裡面有一些有一些例外的例外的不直播有一些規定但是事實上這樣直播的方式它最大的問題\n\n11:07.657 --> 11:30.382\n有一些疑慮是在我們立法之前一定要解決的一個報告委員就是因為他的疑慮非常大那所以說其實外國他們也都做了非常多的研究我知道我們這邊也都列出了外國立法例這個最怕的就是發生輿論的公審網路霸凌造成案件的這些包括連證人鑑定人他們的出席意願整個都降低甚至我們剛剛所討論國民法官\n\n11:32.682 --> 11:48.496\n大家可能國民法官要擔任國民法官因為我要被直播所以我擔任國民法院議員就更加的低落啦更加低落這些都是問題啦都是問題那更這些只是技術問題而已最怕的就是他衝擊這個這個不利於事實調查\n\n11:49.617 --> 12:18.156\n這才是我們最怕不利於事實調查他沒有影響公平審判他侵害訴訟當事人的訴訟權這個東西會不會這方面的影響要如何的來避免一定要把這些問題都排除之後這個法庭的直播他才應該上路你剛剛提到外國立法例我事實上我這邊也列出了很多日本都是禁止的日本美國聯邦法院他一律禁止媒體轉播部分的州法院有可以轉播\n\n12:19.056 --> 12:40.245\n英國、加拿大、法國、德國這些我們都有列那台灣我們就是最進步啦這些網紅直播主這個在台灣也是特別的發達啦這個我想我們把這樣的法院組織法把它淨附二讀這部分我希望我們司法院這邊能夠確實的去了解我們現在目前不管是這個\n\n12:42.326 --> 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