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00:02:09,993\n我覺得男女現在是平等的我們現在對男女的從軍我們也都鼓勵的我們也不認為女性的表現會在畢業之後會比男性來得差而且表現有時候甚至比男性來得好\n\n7\n00:02:10,693 --> 00:02:35,962\n好我們看下一張您剛說軍哨招收成績都是超額的三軍官預計是786人現有440人招募率56%然後沒有男女之分可是你可以看到我們現在畫的這個圖上面跟當初簡章規劃的這個數字規劃的數字在軍費身上面是有男性跟女性的我們陸軍官校海軍官校空軍官校理工學院管理學院跟征戰學院\n\n8\n00:02:37,142 --> 00:03:01,174\n其實都是在招收的時候有男女生的差別啊那我們在法律系你剛剛講的他考台大法律系裡面他上面會告訴你說我們預計招收男性多少女性多少他沒有啊所以這兩者之間是不能做比較的呀我們軍費生的招收元額軸表上面有沒有寫女性跟男性的分別有嗎跟委員報告我們沒有去區分男生跟女生\n\n9\n00:03:07,148 --> 00:03:35,941\n你們沒有去區分男生跟女生那招生元額總表為什麼要分我們只是在區隔男性多少女性多少對就是說現在的現在的所有大一到大四的所有男生跟女生有多少人對啊那你們不是說都不需要區分嗎那為什麼我們在招生元額總表我講的不是現在是你們招生元額總表上面就針對一般生飛行生上面你們就有分男性跟女性\n\n10\n00:03:36,141 --> 00:03:52,432\n委員報告就是說我們三軍官校目前就是說還是女生報名比較少但是罹管症的部分因為他們畢業大部分在後勤或者是心腹或者是醫院的這個部分那這樣子男女生我們就不會有任何區別\n\n11\n00:03:53,552 --> 00:04:21,189\n我沒有說要有區別我從頭到尾您不要誤解我的意思我沒有說要有區別我也鼓勵女性從軍報考軍校那能夠有好的成績我也覺得很棒我只是說剛剛講的這個比喻是不倫不類因為我們在招生元額總表上面就有分成是男性跟女性那現在大家問的問題是說為什麼女性呢看起來現在是好您說因為成績排序比較前面所以超額招收的時候它會被列在比較前面\n\n12\n00:04:21,969 --> 00:04:50,380\n但實際上面我們看到的狀況就是在畢業以後那他們可能比較多的人他像您說的去了心腹單位或者後勤單位那請問我們戰鬥部隊或者是我們憲兵比方說先前的2110的邊縣比等到他們從這個學校畢業之後如果他從事志願役那在這個男性的他們可能在前線部隊人數是比較多那這個時候會不會造成軍方我們整體的失衡的情況這是你們要去再多加討論的\n\n13\n00:04:52,020 --> 00:05:09,190\n我想兩點第一點招生緣和總表區分男女比例只是一個現況的呈現不代表任何其他的任何意涵這是第一點第二點我到基層部隊裡面去看的時候我看到很多女性服役的表現\n\n14\n00:05:10,211 --> 00:05:28,528\n都不會比男生來的差我完全認同所以我只是要強調這一點我剛剛也講過跟你一模一樣的話對我來講我看不出有任何其他除了呈現一個說男生跟女生是多少之外有其他的任何意義存在啊\n\n15\n00:05:28,973 --> 00:05:53,016\nOK好那你們就覺得這樣子的發展對於接下來繼續有這樣子的一個情況的話你們也是樂於看待的樂觀其成我們對於女性的軍事觀以後納入後備的一個叫招這樣我理解了你們認為現在這個狀況可以繼續往這個方向發展嗎那我只是要了解一下你們想法是什麼那另外我們想要問一下這個海昆號的這個進度\n\n16\n00:05:54,457 --> 00:06:01,158\n那因為我們可以看一下在2024年的時候11月25號的新聞這還刊載在青年日報上面呢那就有媒體曾經報導過這個我們往下一張看圖片媒體當時報導說海昆號的測試HAT不如預期那4月還是有困難海軍司令部還回應說呢現在已經這個以嚴謹的態度控管預計案節點你們的計劃節點是4月1期曾進行海上測試SAT\n\n17\n00:06:23,442 --> 00:06:27,004\n在5月6號的時候呢說海軍已經進到最後的準備階段了兩週前呢說是大概520的時候那現在呢5月23號的時候呢說這個要等到海昆號達到安全條件以後才會進行海上測試沒有時間表那請問這個不斷延期的原因是什麼\n\n18\n00:06:44,795 --> 00:06:53,967\n就我們從青年日報上面我們真的發新聞稿2025年的2月5號一路到這個4月5月6月這個6月還沒到5月到現在已經多次的針對海昆號的部分那有討論到時間點\n\n19\n00:07:00,615 --> 00:07:16,488\n然後節點你們都說在節點上可是你看喔先前在2月25號的時候的按計劃節點是在4月1期程執行海上測試但到現在突然都沒有時間表了我想要問一下不斷延期的原因到底在哪裡\n\n20\n00:07:17,449 --> 00:07:33,643\n我想在最近這個海軍有關於海上測試說要在4月設定一個實際出來的時程這件事情我的理解並沒有這樣講過我們還是以我的了解是海軍是說我們已經\n\n21\n00:07:42,881 --> 00:07:47,602\n要盡力的努力完成最後配件的階段應該是這樣子吧2月25號不對2025年2月25號的青年日報上面寫的是青年日報我可不是引用一般的新聞媒體報導寫說海軍說海昆號一騎乘於4月執行海上測試第二點叫做呢現在呢這個\n\n22\n00:08:08,908 --> 00:08:28,914\n現在沒有電壓不穩的問題續按計劃節點於4月1期程執行海上測試這個是你們公開的在這個地方我可以給大家看所以部長您剛剛說的是不對的或許你沒有看過當時2月25號所發的新聞稿所以按照節點的部分已經有所拖延我想委員需要給我們一點時間回答我請喊來\n\n23\n00:08:30,783 --> 00:08:44,975\n海軍參謀長報告在去年的整個階段來講我們就是這個整個海昆軍艦的海上測試我們就是從今年的4月份到9月份是它的一個海上測試的期程所以從4月份開始\n\n24\n00:08:46,176 --> 00:08:51,843\n就是我們整個這個階段四月份到九月份都是海上測試的期程那因為要達到所有的裝備還有一些安全條件的設置我們都不需要都在符合安全的當然這個我也非常認同\n\n25\n00:09:01,314 --> 00:09:23,389\n海上測試所以特別要跟委員講說其實我們並沒有如這個媒體上面講我們有預定要一個特定的一個時間來做一個我的意思是說你們的計劃節點有延遲因為上一次我來問的時候你們告訴我說都沒有延遲都是按照計劃節點如期進行可是我現在拿的是2025年2月25號你們在第二點上面寫的你們講說你們的計劃節點是在今年的4月份做海上測試\n\n26\n00:09:31,394 --> 00:09:38,596\n那所以我想問我們的海上測試按照計畫節點原定的計畫節點是否有延後的情況\n\n27\n00:09:41,499 --> 00:09:53,624\n我想跟委員報告就我光部的立場我們來要求海軍就是一切以安全這我都知道剛才他也講過了我問的是我們的計畫因為我們要做一個船我們總是有分計畫節點你們每次我問的時候你們都講說我現在目前按照計畫節點要怎麼做怎麼做怎麼做\n\n28\n00:10:02,307 --> 00:10:19,642\n那如果這個計劃節點沒有按照時程的話那它就是延後了所以我想要問說有沒有計劃節點原定的狀況之下因為安全的考量因為希望更完善的考量而延後按照原本的規劃而延後的情形發生就這麼簡單的一個問題而已\n\n29\n00:10:22,483 --> 00:10:50,454\n對剛剛參謀長已經講過了4月到9月是我們的一個海上測試的一個整個的一個期程那但是但是要在安全的測試情況之下才能夠進行海測那這個就是我們的一個最高的一個原則那我希望海軍能夠盡快的讓這一個HAT的相關的這些所需要的調教等等儘速能夠完成那以便能夠\n\n30\n00:10:50,794 --> 00:11:05,261\n那我最後一個問題問因為呢在二月的時候我們的節點在海上測試的部分是到四月嘛對不對那現在目前呢都還沒有辦法完成博港測試那等於說按照原本的計畫的節點其實我這邊我自己講啦就是往後延了\n\n31\n00:11:08,502 --> 00:11:10,663\n我們現在還是會進行所必須要的海上測試的一些期程跟項目\n\n32\n00:11:33,904 --> 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您說因為成績排序比較前面所以超額招收的時候它會被列在比較前面\n261969\t290380\t但實際上面我們看到的狀況就是在畢業以後那他們可能比較多的人他像您說的去了心腹單位或者後勤單位那請問我們戰鬥部隊或者是我們憲兵比方說先前的2110的邊縣比等到他們從這個學校畢業之後如果他從事志願役那在這個男性的他們可能在前線部隊人數是比較多那這個時候會不會造成軍方我們整體的失衡的情況這是你們要去再多加討論的\n292020\t309190\t我想兩點第一點招生緣和總表區分男女比例只是一個現況的呈現不代表任何其他的任何意涵這是第一點第二點我到基層部隊裡面去看的時候我看到很多女性服役的表現\n310211\t328528\t都不會比男生來的差我完全認同所以我只是要強調這一點我剛剛也講過跟你一模一樣的話對我來講我看不出有任何其他除了呈現一個說男生跟女生是多少之外有其他的任何意義存在啊\n328973\t353016\tOK好那你們就覺得這樣子的發展對於接下來繼續有這樣子的一個情況的話你們也是樂於看待的樂觀其成我們對於女性的軍事觀以後納入後備的一個叫招這樣我理解了你們認為現在這個狀況可以繼續往這個方向發展嗎那我只是要了解一下你們想法是什麼那另外我們想要問一下這個海昆號的這個進度\n354457\t361158\t那因為我們可以看一下在2024年的時候11月25號的新聞這還刊載在青年日報上面呢那就有媒體曾經報導過這個我們往下一張看圖片媒體當時報導說海昆號的測試HAT不如預期那4月還是有困難海軍司令部還回應說呢現在已經這個以嚴謹的態度控管預計案節點你們的計劃節點是4月1期曾進行海上測試SAT\n383442\t387004\t在5月6號的時候呢說海軍已經進到最後的準備階段了兩週前呢說是大概520的時候那現在呢5月23號的時候呢說這個要等到海昆號達到安全條件以後才會進行海上測試沒有時間表那請問這個不斷延期的原因是什麼\n404795\t413967\t就我們從青年日報上面我們真的發新聞稿2025年的2月5號一路到這個4月5月6月這個6月還沒到5月到現在已經多次的針對海昆號的部分那有討論到時間點\n420615\t436488\t然後節點你們都說在節點上可是你看喔先前在2月25號的時候的按計劃節點是在4月1期程執行海上測試但到現在突然都沒有時間表了我想要問一下不斷延期的原因到底在哪裡\n437449\t453643\t我想在最近這個海軍有關於海上測試說要在4月設定一個實際出來的時程這件事情我的理解並沒有這樣講過我們還是以我的了解是海軍是說我們已經\n462881\t467602\t要盡力的努力完成最後配件的階段應該是這樣子吧2月25號不對2025年2月25號的青年日報上面寫的是青年日報我可不是引用一般的新聞媒體報導寫說海軍說海昆號一騎乘於4月執行海上測試第二點叫做呢現在呢這個\n488908\t508914\t現在沒有電壓不穩的問題續按計劃節點於4月1期程執行海上測試這個是你們公開的在這個地方我可以給大家看所以部長您剛剛說的是不對的或許你沒有看過當時2月25號所發的新聞稿所以按照節點的部分已經有所拖延我想委員需要給我們一點時間回答我請喊來\n510783\t524975\t海軍參謀長報告在去年的整個階段來講我們就是這個整個海昆軍艦的海上測試我們就是從今年的4月份到9月份是它的一個海上測試的期程所以從4月份開始\n526176\t531843\t就是我們整個這個階段四月份到九月份都是海上測試的期程那因為要達到所有的裝備還有一些安全條件的設置我們都不需要都在符合安全的當然這個我也非常認同\n541314\t563389\t海上測試所以特別要跟委員講說其實我們並沒有如這個媒體上面講我們有預定要一個特定的一個時間來做一個我的意思是說你們的計劃節點有延遲因為上一次我來問的時候你們告訴我說都沒有延遲都是按照計劃節點如期進行可是我現在拿的是2025年2月25號你們在第二點上面寫的你們講說你們的計劃節點是在今年的4月份做海上測試\n571394\t578596\t那所以我想問我們的海上測試按照計畫節點原定的計畫節點是否有延後的情況\n581499\t593624\t我想跟委員報告就我光部的立場我們來要求海軍就是一切以安全這我都知道剛才他也講過了我問的是我們的計畫因為我們要做一個船我們總是有分計畫節點你們每次我問的時候你們都講說我現在目前按照計畫節點要怎麼做怎麼做怎麼做\n602307\t619642\t那如果這個計劃節點沒有按照時程的話那它就是延後了所以我想要問說有沒有計劃節點原定的狀況之下因為安全的考量因為希望更完善的考量而延後按照原本的規劃而延後的情形發生就這麼簡單的一個問題而已\n622483\t650454\t對 剛剛參謀長已經講過了4月到9月是我們的一個海上測試的一個整個的一個期程那但是但是要在安全的測試情況之下才能夠進行海測那這個就是我們的一個最高的一個原則那我希望海軍能夠盡快的讓這一個HAT的相關的這些所需要的調教等等儘速能夠完成那以便能夠\n650794\t665261\t那我最後一個問題問因為呢在二月的時候我們的節點在海上測試的部分是到四月嘛對不對那現在目前呢都還沒有辦法完成博港測試那等於說按照原本的計畫的節點其實我這邊我自己講啦就是往後延了\n668502\t670663\t我們現在還是會進行所必須要的海上測試的一些期程跟項目\n693904\t707499\t當然那我想要問的是說你們有沒有預期好心理準備原定的11月交件會再往後延期了我們海上的測試的相關的期程我們會根據我們進入了海上測試階段會來做這個調整那麼這個項目的部分我們也不會打折\n713666\t739685\t那最後一個問題就是說你們節點既然已經被打亂了那這幾個節點就是海上測試博港測試的節點海上測試的節點跟交建的這個整個幾個節點那要重新調整嗎如果要重新調整的話會告訴我們國防外交委員會或是社會大眾嗎我們進入海上測試之後如果委員有能夠要了解的話我想我們會以機密的方式來跟委員所說明好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們有請顧部長有請部長\n是學長好部長好我也是接續下來要問這個我們在招收國軍的普遍狀況那呢剛才這個王定宇委員也講到了在國防大學的管理學院裡面呢預計收140人那現在有158人出現了難得的超額那一年級裡面呢男生是68人女生是90人那等於說呢女生是比男生多了四成那這也是創下了空前的紀錄所以您說的沒有錯\n就是說呢我們招生的狀況整體來說是比較多的但是呢女性的部分呢也多了百分之四十那呢這個很大的很多人都會問說那請問我接著問說那請問男生招生就我們不講女生女性來從軍很好女生的表現一定也很好但是我想要問一下為什麼男性那現在在報名軍少那會相對於女性少這麼多呢你們所了解的原因是什麼\n我們了解原因就是說我們採成績的一個排序所以男生成績比較不好折優來錄取那為什麼來參加報考的男生成績會比較不好所以折優之後是女性比較多呢\n是說成績比較好的男生不想要來報考這個報告委員你們要不要去了解一下為什麼他會有失衡的這個情形報告委員我台大法律系畢業就我了解現在台大法律系B那個遭受的名額結果那個如果你去看的話女生的數也比男生多對啊我知道啊那你要我說怎樣呢你要說\n我覺得男女現在是平等的我們現在對男女的從軍我們也都鼓勵的我們也不認為女性的表現會在畢業之後會比男性來得差而且表現有時候甚至比男性來得好\n好我們看下一張您剛說軍哨招收成績都是超額的三軍官預計是786人現有440人招募率56%然後沒有男女之分可是你可以看到我們現在畫的這個圖上面跟當初簡章規劃的這個數字規劃的數字在軍費身上面是有男性跟女性的我們陸軍官校海軍官校空軍官校理工學院管理學院跟征戰學院\n其實都是在招收的時候有男女生的差別啊那我們在法律系你剛剛講的他考台大法律系裡面他上面會告訴你說我們預計招收男性多少女性多少他沒有啊所以這兩者之間是不能做比較的呀我們軍費生的招收元額軸表上面有沒有寫女性跟男性的分別有嗎跟委員報告我們沒有去區分男生跟女生\n你們沒有去區分男生跟女生那招生元額總表為什麼要分我們只是在區隔男性多少女性多少對就是說現在的現在的所有大一到大四的所有男生跟女生有多少人對啊那你們不是說都不需要區分嗎那為什麼我們在招生元額總表我講的不是現在是你們招生元額總表上面就針對一般生飛行生上面你們就有分男性跟女性\n委員報告就是說我們三軍官校目前就是說還是女生報名比較少但是罹管症的部分因為他們畢業大部分在後勤或者是心腹或者是醫院的這個部分那這樣子男女生我們就不會有任何區別\n我沒有說要有區別我從頭到尾您不要誤解我的意思我沒有說要有區別我也鼓勵女性從軍報考軍校那能夠有好的成績我也覺得很棒我只是說剛剛講的這個比喻是不倫不類因為我們在招生元額總表上面就有分成是男性跟女性那現在大家問的問題是說為什麼女性呢看起來現在是好 您說因為成績排序比較前面所以超額招收的時候它會被列在比較前面\n但實際上面我們看到的狀況就是在畢業以後那他們可能比較多的人他像您說的去了心腹單位或者後勤單位那請問我們戰鬥部隊或者是我們憲兵比方說先前的2110的邊縣比等到他們從這個學校畢業之後如果他從事志願役那在這個男性的他們可能在前線部隊人數是比較多那這個時候會不會造成軍方我們整體的失衡的情況這是你們要去再多加討論的\n我想兩點第一點招生緣和總表區分男女比例只是一個現況的呈現不代表任何其他的任何意涵這是第一點第二點我到基層部隊裡面去看的時候我看到很多女性服役的表現\n都不會比男生來的差我完全認同所以我只是要強調這一點我剛剛也講過跟你一模一樣的話對我來講我看不出有任何其他除了呈現一個說男生跟女生是多少之外有其他的任何意義存在啊\nOK好那你們就覺得這樣子的發展對於接下來繼續有這樣子的一個情況的話你們也是樂於看待的樂觀其成我們對於女性的軍事觀以後納入後備的一個叫招這樣我理解了你們認為現在這個狀況可以繼續往這個方向發展嗎那我只是要了解一下你們想法是什麼那另外我們想要問一下這個海昆號的這個進度\n那因為我們可以看一下在2024年的時候11月25號的新聞這還刊載在青年日報上面呢那就有媒體曾經報導過這個我們往下一張看圖片媒體當時報導說海昆號的測試HAT不如預期那4月還是有困難海軍司令部還回應說呢現在已經這個以嚴謹的態度控管預計案節點你們的計劃節點是4月1期曾進行海上測試SAT\n在5月6號的時候呢說海軍已經進到最後的準備階段了兩週前呢說是大概520的時候那現在呢5月23號的時候呢說這個要等到海昆號達到安全條件以後才會進行海上測試沒有時間表那請問這個不斷延期的原因是什麼\n就我們從青年日報上面我們真的發新聞稿2025年的2月5號一路到這個4月5月6月這個6月還沒到5月到現在已經多次的針對海昆號的部分那有討論到時間點\n然後節點你們都說在節點上可是你看喔先前在2月25號的時候的按計劃節點是在4月1期程執行海上測試但到現在突然都沒有時間表了我想要問一下不斷延期的原因到底在哪裡\n我想在最近這個海軍有關於海上測試說要在4月設定一個實際出來的時程這件事情我的理解並沒有這樣講過我們還是以我的了解是海軍是說我們已經\n要盡力的努力完成最後配件的階段應該是這樣子吧2月25號不對2025年2月25號的青年日報上面寫的是青年日報我可不是引用一般的新聞媒體報導寫說海軍說海昆號一騎乘於4月執行海上測試第二點叫做呢現在呢這個\n現在沒有電壓不穩的問題續按計劃節點於4月1期程執行海上測試這個是你們公開的在這個地方我可以給大家看所以部長您剛剛說的是不對的或許你沒有看過當時2月25號所發的新聞稿所以按照節點的部分已經有所拖延我想委員需要給我們一點時間回答我請喊來\n海軍參謀長報告在去年的整個階段來講我們就是這個整個海昆軍艦的海上測試我們就是從今年的4月份到9月份是它的一個海上測試的期程所以從4月份開始\n就是我們整個這個階段四月份到九月份都是海上測試的期程那因為要達到所有的裝備還有一些安全條件的設置我們都不需要都在符合安全的當然這個我也非常認同\n海上測試所以特別要跟委員講說其實我們並沒有如這個媒體上面講我們有預定要一個特定的一個時間來做一個我的意思是說你們的計劃節點有延遲因為上一次我來問的時候你們告訴我說都沒有延遲都是按照計劃節點如期進行可是我現在拿的是2025年2月25號你們在第二點上面寫的你們講說你們的計劃節點是在今年的4月份做海上測試\n那所以我想問我們的海上測試按照計畫節點原定的計畫節點是否有延後的情況\n我想跟委員報告就我光部的立場我們來要求海軍就是一切以安全這我都知道剛才他也講過了我問的是我們的計畫因為我們要做一個船我們總是有分計畫節點你們每次我問的時候你們都講說我現在目前按照計畫節點要怎麼做怎麼做怎麼做\n那如果這個計劃節點沒有按照時程的話那它就是延後了所以我想要問說有沒有計劃節點原定的狀況之下因為安全的考量因為希望更完善的考量而延後按照原本的規劃而延後的情形發生就這麼簡單的一個問題而已\n對 剛剛參謀長已經講過了4月到9月是我們的一個海上測試的一個整個的一個期程那但是但是要在安全的測試情況之下才能夠進行海測那這個就是我們的一個最高的一個原則那我希望海軍能夠盡快的讓這一個HAT的相關的這些所需要的調教等等儘速能夠完成那以便能夠\n那我最後一個問題問因為呢在二月的時候我們的節點在海上測試的部分是到四月嘛對不對那現在目前呢都還沒有辦法完成博港測試那等於說按照原本的計畫的節點其實我這邊我自己講啦就是往後延了\n我們現在還是會進行所必須要的海上測試的一些期程跟項目\n當然那我想要問的是說你們有沒有預期好心理準備原定的11月交件會再往後延期了我們海上的測試的相關的期程我們會根據我們進入了海上測試階段會來做這個調整那麼這個項目的部分我們也不會打折\n那最後一個問題就是說你們節點既然已經被打亂了那這幾個節點就是海上測試博港測試的節點海上測試的節點跟交建的這個整個幾個節點那要重新調整嗎如果要重新調整的話會告訴我們國防外交委員會或是社會大眾嗎我們進入海上測試之後如果委員有能夠要了解的話我想我們會以機密的方式來跟委員所說明好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.610 --> 00:01.652\n謝謝主席我們有請顧部長有請部長\n\n00:11.497 --> 00:38.117\n是學長好部長好我也是接續下來要問這個我們在招收國軍的普遍狀況那呢剛才這個王定宇委員也講到了在國防大學的管理學院裡面呢預計收140人那現在有158人出現了難得的超額那一年級裡面呢男生是68人女生是90人那等於說呢女生是比男生多了四成那這也是創下了空前的紀錄所以您說的沒有錯\n\n00:38.817 --> 01:07.728\n就是說呢我們招生的狀況整體來說是比較多的但是呢女性的部分呢也多了百分之四十那呢這個很大的很多人都會問說那請問我接著問說那請問男生招生就我們不講女生女性來從軍很好女生的表現一定也很好但是我想要問一下為什麼男性那現在在報名軍少那會相對於女性少這麼多呢你們所了解的原因是什麼\n\n01:08.487 --> 01:24.701\n我們了解原因就是說我們採成績的一個排序所以男生成績比較不好折優來錄取那為什麼來參加報考的男生成績會比較不好所以折優之後是女性比較多呢\n\n01:26.143 --> 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