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00:02:08,895\n包含這個法務部跟司法院針對這件事情有沒有補救或者是法務部提出說要做修法這個部分我想請問一下是不是先請司法院先來說然後再請法務部來說\n\n7\n00:02:11,055 --> 00:02:28,881\n那個報告委員吼因為有關於那個大法庭的這個裁定就是因為就是這個法律通過之後呢有關於這個所謂的就是繳交犯罪所得這個檢刑要件到底是怎麼解釋是這個現在抓到了這個特定的這個被告他自己\n\n8\n00:02:29,301 --> 00:02:57,786\n我了解對就是因為法務部現在不爽這個宣告就是認為這個對於他的範圍太過的限縮只是以他他自己自白我有多少犯罪所得然後他就可以獲得減刑我想這個也是我剛才講民眾非常關心的不爽的不滿的就是第一個詐欺犯沒有好好抓抓了以後也沒有重罰然後民眾的\n\n9\n00:02:59,206 --> 00:03:18,556\n這個被詐欺的所得也都拿不回來我們這一陣子不管母親節或端午節我每一次的活動每一天都有人跟我反應這個事情大家其實民怨非常非常深所以我想請問一下這個宣告合理嗎還是說你們會再採取法務部的意見來做調整\n\n10\n00:03:20,287 --> 00:03:48,105\n那個跟委員報告齁因為最高法院大法庭所做的裁定呢這完全是一個審判職權的一個形式所以我們司法行政是尊重的齁那就是如果法務部他們要修法就是把這個法律的那個文藝就是定得更清楚那這個部分司法院會尊重的好所以這唯一的現在唯一的救濟的方式只有像法務部所說的唯一只能用修法的方式嗎\n\n11\n00:03:49,353 --> 00:04:15,715\n跟委員報告這一個部分我們先說明在大法庭延遲辯論的時候事實上我們的最高檢在延遲辯論的時候堅定的表達說應該要關於這個條文在法案條例47條應該要參照立法理由所述主要的目的是為了要填補犯罪被害人所受損害來做解釋那很無奈這個最高法院大法庭並沒有採取這樣的一個見解\n\n12\n00:04:16,636 --> 00:04:32,199\n所以現在目前會有最快的速度來提出相關的法條的文字的修法讓文藝更明確來反映在立法旅遊的目的上面所以現在看起來唯有修法意圖囉\n\n13\n00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:54,812\n因為這個法律解釋的權責還是在這個中省的法院也是最高法院在大法庭的裁定事實上確實會發生解釋上的拘束力那麼既然大法庭已經做除非大法庭另外再重新做出不同意見的解釋我覺得這件事情是不是也反映出我們的法院是不是跟人民離得太遠\n\n14\n00:04:55,692 --> 00:05:11,984\n如果之前不管是立法院的通過的這個條例或者法務部所認定的那麼跟我們司法院大法庭這個最高法院的大法庭所做出來宣告離得這麼遠最後我們又要用修法的方式來加以彌補\n\n15\n00:05:14,005 --> 00:05:43,245\n這是不是就是我們真的覺得在司法上我們有些人是覺得政治干預司法好這個我倒是覺得這跟政治無關但是這也是讓人民對於司法沒有任何信心的主要的原因嘛好大家都認為說這個詐欺就是詐騙我們要嚴打嚴罰結果我們做出來的這個判就是做出來的判決還是有利於加害人而不是有利於被害人\n\n16\n00:05:44,406 --> 00:05:47,312\n是不是我們都是我們司法上是不是都是有這樣的問題啊我們鳳飛書長可以回答我嗎\n\n17\n00:05:53,376 --> 00:06:20,434\n那個報告委員我想那個大法庭他們會有這樣子的一個那個做出一個這樣子的那個解釋他們是有他們那個法理的那個根據的那在那個大法庭的裁定理由裡面也都有那個交代我要講的就是說在詐騙這件事情已經到了人神共憤了民怨沸騰的狀況之下然後我們還是可以關在冷氣房裡面做出我們自己的判決同樣的我也請教我們的這個次長\n\n18\n00:06:23,496 --> 00:06:27,258\n我們最近大家認為說司法到底能不能信任最近你們有一位檢察官升官就是林俊炎這當然這位林俊炎檢察官之前我也不認識他\n\n19\n00:06:38,863 --> 00:06:52,353\n那主要是他是偵辦柯文哲的案件所以呢突然聲名大噪果不其然呢他也就升官了我想請問一下在最近這一兩年我們檢察官系統裡面升官怎麼都是辦這些政治案件辦到政治正確\n\n20\n00:07:02,901 --> 00:07:09,408\n然後通通可以升官之前前有我們的法務部長鄭明謙因為他辦了林兹廟然後立刻官運亨通然後接下來辦高雄安的幾個檢察官辦完之後通通升官\n\n21\n00:07:22,222 --> 00:07:45,048\n那現在又有林俊炎也是辦了柯文哲的案子也立刻升官接下來朱家榮一樣的他辦吳思瑤吳沛毅立委罷免聯署的檢察官也立刻被推薦然後在升官的名單上同樣的郭劍玉也是來辦柯文哲的案子通通升官所以\n\n22\n00:07:48,806 --> 00:08:13,909\n政策正確是不是檢察官升官的這樣講是非常不公平的這個表明檢察官他是申請轉任法官這也不能說是升官那其他的不是升官嗎其他的事實上升主任檢察官目前本部有相當完整的程序不但要經過檢察官的票選而且還要有檢審會的機制來把關並不是單純由行政官員來占讀怎麼都那麼巧呢\n\n23\n00:08:14,389 --> 00:08:20,570\n只要辦到政治正確的案件然後就那麼容易升官呢所以我要特別講喔在在司法裡面不管是政治案件或詐欺案件司法都應該成為維護人民正義的最後一道防線我剛才講的案例就是這個當然是你們法務部跟這個我們這個司法院之間這個宣告\n\n24\n00:08:43,214 --> 00:08:47,437\n的之間有漢格當然這個部分我是支持法務部的也許你們在第一線辦案然後一個一個宣告就讓你們真的就沒有辦法好好的研辦那同樣的法務部現在的檢察官我們也好多次的來做質詢如果說今天林俊仁法官\n\n25\n00:09:04,330 --> 00:09:22,193\n當然他辦的是柯文哲金華城的案件但是他現在所透露出的過程裡面包含他跑到醫院裡面然後要求關掉錄音錄影然後做詢問這個根本是不被容許的嘛\n\n26\n00:09:22,774 --> 00:09:27,138\n對不對這樣子的一個辦案手法這樣一個我現在還不講他把所有這些辦案的訊息通通透露給淨檢這個淨檢是你們部長所認證的你們的另外一個單位淨檢然後在他的辦案過程裡面可以到了醫院裡面把錄音錄影全部關掉然後來做詢問\n\n27\n00:09:48,577 --> 00:10:16,348\n這樣可以嗎這樣應該被懲罰吧怎麼還會被升官這是你要告訴所有的檢察官都可以這樣辦案嗎剛才所以講說法庭上要不要直播剛才省發會委員講到的一些可能有直播的一些的負面的作用其實我認為應該被檢討但是問題是大家非常擔心而且非常痛恨的司法辦案不能夠黑箱同不同意\n\n28\n00:10:17,108 --> 00:10:33,571\n就是不能黑箱嘛我想司法方案沒有黑箱的問題那請問我就講一件事你詢問你詢問一個被告然後關掉錄音錄影請問一下是不是黑箱這樣的辦案手法可以被鼓勵嗎你所說的事情被告辯護人都有全程在場\n\n29\n00:10:35,394 --> 00:10:49,863\n問你可以關掉錄音錄影嗎可不可以關掉錄音錄影你講你講了以後這個都做記錄就說你今天詢問檢察官詢問被告然後說要讓他咬出另外一個被告但是我把錄音錄影全部關掉你覺得可以嗎來\n\n30\n00:10:51,244 --> 00:11:06,286\n市長說那一個事件北檢已經有新聞稿說明過了他並不是一個詢問而是依照羈押法去做的視察那最後呢也在他發文有沒有講是去詢問啊然後也有說明他發文有沒有去做是詢問啊他跟\n\n31\n00:11:06,907 --> 00:11:33,381\n跟他跟醫院的發文就是去詢問啊所以也就是說法務部可以包庇可以縱容可以容忍檢察官這樣的黑箱辦案然後還可以讓他升官這是要做什麼樣的不是指案事這是民事所以我要講就是說如果我們今天辦案不管是詐欺辦案不管是這個政治性的辦案我覺得最不能容忍的就是黑箱辦案\n\n32\n00:11:34,741 --> 00:11:45,809\n同不同意所以我要講說為什麼大家通通都希望你們能夠公開啊尤其你們不能夠去鼓勵甚至讓這樣的檢察官去升官\n\n33\n00:11:46,812 --> 00:12:05,186\n全民沒有辦法信任今天如果柯文哲可以這樣明天如果對待你黃士傑你可以接受嗎對待我王宏偉我也不能接受啊檢察官怎麼可以就關掉錄音錄影然後只為了要說抓住黃士傑你只要咬住黃士傑我把你錄音錄影全部關掉可以這樣嗎這叫個案喔\n\n34\n00:12:09,850 --> 00:12:30,546\n蛤你給他三關不就要通案了嗎你不是告訴全部的檢察官說你們都可以這樣幹嗎所以我要講的是我們一直支持檢察官在第一線辦案但是如果檢察官用不正當的黑箱辦案絕對不能容許更是\n\n35\n00:12:31,286 --> 00:12:45,373\n更可離譜的是竟然還可以讓他升官你們法部看這麼多的案例真的政治正確你們真的要讓檢察官都這樣幹法嗎如果檢察官如此的當場化對我們的司法絕對只是傷害好不好好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n103\t1204\t謝謝主席慢慢來 不要緊張\n18027\t21509\t請王副秘書長還有法務部 今天是政事嘛委員走\n43193\t65354\t我想請問一下5月14號最高法院刑事大法庭做了一個裁定的宣告主要是針對我們的詐欺犯罪危害防治條例的第47條有關於這個減輕期刑的適用範圍那我們司法院就是最高法院刑事大法庭宣告裁定\n65914\t86325\t但是看起來呢引起了兩方的大戰我們法務部顯然不以為然那我想先請問一下就說這個媒體也都有報導因為我們非常關心有關於詐欺其實我們很多的民眾非常不爽的就是第一個我們詐欺這個詐騙沒有好好抓\n90487\t102816\t第二個好像抓到了之後呢也沒有好好的罰他們也沒有重罰所以今天我們的這樣的一個宣告這樣的一個簡形的一個適用範圍的宣告連法務部都很不爽那我想請問一下這是5月14號到目前為止\n113084\t128895\t包含這個法務部跟司法院針對這件事情有沒有補救或者是法務部提出說要做修法這個部分我想請問一下是不是先請司法院先來說然後再請法務部來說\n131055\t148881\t那個報告委員吼因為有關於那個大法庭的這個裁定就是因為就是這個法律通過之後呢有關於這個所謂的就是繳交犯罪所得這個檢刑要件到底是怎麼解釋是這個現在抓到了這個特定的這個被告他自己\n149301\t177786\t我了解 對 就是因為法務部現在不爽這個宣告就是認為這個對於他的範圍太過的限縮只是以他他自己自白我有多少犯罪所得然後他就可以獲得減刑我想這個也是我剛才講民眾非常關心的不爽的不滿的就是第一個詐欺犯沒有好好抓抓了以後也沒有重罰然後民眾的\n179206\t198556\t這個被詐欺的所得也都拿不回來我們這一陣子不管母親節或端午節我每一次的活動每一天都有人跟我反應這個事情大家其實民怨非常非常深所以我想請問一下這個宣告合理嗎還是說你們會再採取法務部的意見來做調整\n200287\t228105\t那個 跟委員報告齁因為最高法院大法庭所做的裁定呢這完全是一個審判職權的一個形式所以我們司法行政是尊重的齁那就是如果法務部他們要修法就是把這個法律的那個文藝就是定得更清楚那這個部分司法院會尊重的好 所以這唯一的現在唯一的救濟的方式只有像法務部所說的唯一只能用修法的方式嗎\n229353\t255715\t跟委員報告這一個部分我們先說明在大法庭延遲辯論的時候事實上我們的最高檢在延遲辯論的時候堅定的表達說應該要關於這個條文在法案條例47條應該要參照立法理由所述主要的目的是為了要填補犯罪被害人所受損害來做解釋那很無奈這個最高法院大法庭並沒有採取這樣的一個見解\n256636\t272199\t所以現在目前會有最快的速度來提出相關的法條的文字的修法讓文藝更明確來反映在立法旅遊的目的上面所以現在看起來唯有修法意圖囉\n273800\t294812\t因為這個法律解釋的權責還是在這個中省的法院也是最高法院在大法庭的裁定事實上確實會發生解釋上的拘束力那麼既然大法庭已經做除非大法庭另外再重新做出不同意見的解釋我覺得這件事情是不是也反映出我們的法院是不是跟人民離得太遠\n295692\t311984\t如果之前不管是立法院的通過的這個條例或者法務部所認定的那麼跟我們司法院大法庭這個最高法院的大法庭所做出來宣告離得這麼遠最後我們又要用修法的方式來加以彌補\n314005\t343245\t這是不是就是我們真的覺得在司法上我們有些人是覺得政治干預司法好這個我倒是覺得這跟政治無關但是這也是讓人民對於司法沒有任何信心的主要的原因嘛好大家都認為說這個詐欺就是詐騙我們要嚴打嚴罰結果我們做出來的這個判就是做出來的判決還是有利於加害人而不是有利於被害人\n344406\t347312\t是不是我們都是 我們司法上是不是都是有這樣的問題啊我們 鳳飛書長可以回答我嗎\n353376\t380434\t那個報告委員我想那個大法庭他們會有這樣子的一個那個做出一個這樣子的那個解釋他們是有他們那個法理的那個根據的那在那個大法庭的裁定理由裡面也都有那個交代我要講的就是說在詐騙這件事情已經到了人神共憤了民怨沸騰的狀況之下然後我們還是可以關在冷氣房裡面做出我們自己的判決同樣的我也請教我們的這個次長\n383496\t387258\t我們最近大家認為說司法到底能不能信任最近你們有一位檢察官升官就是林俊炎這當然這位林俊炎檢察官之前我也不認識他\n398863\t412353\t那主要是 他是偵辦柯文哲的案件所以呢 突然聲名大噪果不其然呢 他也就升官了我想請問一下 在最近這一兩年我們檢察官系統裡面升官怎麼都是辦這些政治案件 辦到政治正確\n422901\t429408\t然後通通可以升官之前前有我們的法務部長鄭明謙因為他辦了林兹廟然後立刻官運亨通然後接下來辦高雄安的幾個檢察官辦完之後通通升官\n442222\t465048\t那現在又有林俊炎也是辦了柯文哲的案子也立刻升官接下來朱家榮一樣的他辦吳思瑤吳沛毅立委罷免聯署的檢察官也立刻被推薦然後在升官的名單上同樣的郭劍玉也是來辦柯文哲的案子通通升官所以\n468806\t493909\t政策正確是不是檢察官升官的這樣講是非常不公平的這個表明檢察官他是申請轉任法官這也不能說是升官那其他的不是升官嗎其他的事實上升主任檢察官目前本部有相當完整的程序不但要經過檢察官的票選而且還要有檢審會的機制來把關並不是單純由行政官員來占讀怎麼都那麼巧呢\n494389\t500570\t只要辦到政治正確的案件然後就那麼容易升官呢所以我要特別講喔在在司法裡面不管是政治案件或詐欺案件司法都應該成為維護人民正義的最後一道防線我剛才講的案例就是這個當然是你們法務部跟這個我們這個司法院之間這個宣告\n523214\t527437\t的之間有漢格當然這個部分我是支持法務部的也許你們在第一線辦案然後一個一個宣告就讓你們真的就沒有辦法好好的研辦那同樣的法務部現在的檢察官我們也好多次的來做質詢如果說今天林俊仁法官\n544330\t562193\t當然他辦的是柯文哲金華城的案件但是他現在所透露出的過程裡面包含他跑到醫院裡面然後要求關掉錄音錄影然後做詢問這個根本是不被容許的嘛\n562774\t567138\t對不對 這樣子的一個辦案手法這樣一個 我現在還不講他把所有這些辦案的訊息通通透露給淨檢這個淨檢是你們部長所認證的你們的另外一個單位淨檢然後在他的辦案過程裡面可以到了醫院裡面把錄音錄影全部關掉然後來做詢問\n588577\t616348\t這樣可以嗎這樣應該被懲罰吧怎麼還會被升官這是你要告訴所有的檢察官都可以這樣辦案嗎剛才所以講說法庭上要不要直播剛才省發會委員講到的一些可能有直播的一些的負面的作用其實我認為應該被檢討但是問題是大家非常擔心而且非常痛恨的司法辦案不能夠黑箱同不同意\n617108\t633571\t就是不能黑箱嘛我想司法方案沒有黑箱的問題那請問我就講一件事你詢問你詢問一個被告然後關掉錄音錄影請問一下是不是黑箱這樣的辦案手法可以被鼓勵嗎你所說的事情被告辯護人都有全程在場\n635394\t649863\t問 你可以關掉錄音錄影嗎 可不可以關掉錄音錄影你講 你講了以後這個都做記錄 就說你今天詢問檢察官詢問被告 然後說要讓他咬出另外一個被告但是我把錄音錄影全部關掉 你覺得可以嗎 來\n651244\t666286\t市長說那一個事件北檢已經有新聞稿說明過了他並不是一個詢問而是依照羈押法去做的視察那最後呢也在他發文有沒有講是去詢問啊然後也有說明他發文有沒有去做是詢問啊他跟\n666907\t693381\t跟他跟醫院的發文就是去詢問啊所以也就是說法務部可以包庇可以縱容可以容忍檢察官這樣的黑箱辦案然後還可以讓他升官這是要做什麼樣的不是指案事這是民事所以我要講就是說如果我們今天辦案不管是詐欺辦案不管是這個政治性的辦案我覺得最不能容忍的就是黑箱辦案\n694741\t705809\t同不同意所以我要講說為什麼大家通通都希望你們能夠公開啊尤其你們不能夠去鼓勵甚至讓這樣的檢察官去升官\n706812\t725186\t全民沒有辦法信任今天如果柯文哲可以這樣明天如果對待你黃士傑你可以接受嗎對待我王宏偉我也不能接受啊檢察官怎麼可以就關掉錄音錄影然後只為了要說抓住黃士傑你只要咬住黃士傑我把你錄音錄影全部關掉可以這樣嗎這叫個案喔\n729850\t750546\t蛤 你給他三關不就要通案了嗎你不是告訴全部的檢察官說你們都可以這樣幹嗎所以我要講的是我們一直支持檢察官在第一線辦案但是如果檢察官用不正當的黑箱辦案絕對不能容許 更是\n751286\t765373\t更可離譜的是竟然還可以讓他升官你們法部看這麼多的案例真的政治正確你們真的要讓檢察官都這樣幹法嗎如果檢察官如此的當場化對我們的司法絕對只是傷害好不好好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席慢慢來 不要緊張\n請王副秘書長還有法務部 今天是政事嘛委員走\n我想請問一下5月14號最高法院刑事大法庭做了一個裁定的宣告主要是針對我們的詐欺犯罪危害防治條例的第47條有關於這個減輕期刑的適用範圍那我們司法院就是最高法院刑事大法庭宣告裁定\n但是看起來呢引起了兩方的大戰我們法務部顯然不以為然那我想先請問一下就說這個媒體也都有報導因為我們非常關心有關於詐欺其實我們很多的民眾非常不爽的就是第一個我們詐欺這個詐騙沒有好好抓\n第二個好像抓到了之後呢也沒有好好的罰他們也沒有重罰所以今天我們的這樣的一個宣告這樣的一個簡形的一個適用範圍的宣告連法務部都很不爽那我想請問一下這是5月14號到目前為止\n包含這個法務部跟司法院針對這件事情有沒有補救或者是法務部提出說要做修法這個部分我想請問一下是不是先請司法院先來說然後再請法務部來說\n那個報告委員吼因為有關於那個大法庭的這個裁定就是因為就是這個法律通過之後呢有關於這個所謂的就是繳交犯罪所得這個檢刑要件到底是怎麼解釋是這個現在抓到了這個特定的這個被告他自己\n我了解 對 就是因為法務部現在不爽這個宣告就是認為這個對於他的範圍太過的限縮只是以他他自己自白我有多少犯罪所得然後他就可以獲得減刑我想這個也是我剛才講民眾非常關心的不爽的不滿的就是第一個詐欺犯沒有好好抓抓了以後也沒有重罰然後民眾的\n這個被詐欺的所得也都拿不回來我們這一陣子不管母親節或端午節我每一次的活動每一天都有人跟我反應這個事情大家其實民怨非常非常深所以我想請問一下這個宣告合理嗎還是說你們會再採取法務部的意見來做調整\n那個 跟委員報告齁因為最高法院大法庭所做的裁定呢這完全是一個審判職權的一個形式所以我們司法行政是尊重的齁那就是如果法務部他們要修法就是把這個法律的那個文藝就是定得更清楚那這個部分司法院會尊重的好 所以這唯一的現在唯一的救濟的方式只有像法務部所說的唯一只能用修法的方式嗎\n跟委員報告這一個部分我們先說明在大法庭延遲辯論的時候事實上我們的最高檢在延遲辯論的時候堅定的表達說應該要關於這個條文在法案條例47條應該要參照立法理由所述主要的目的是為了要填補犯罪被害人所受損害來做解釋那很無奈這個最高法院大法庭並沒有採取這樣的一個見解\n所以現在目前會有最快的速度來提出相關的法條的文字的修法讓文藝更明確來反映在立法旅遊的目的上面所以現在看起來唯有修法意圖囉\n因為這個法律解釋的權責還是在這個中省的法院也是最高法院在大法庭的裁定事實上確實會發生解釋上的拘束力那麼既然大法庭已經做除非大法庭另外再重新做出不同意見的解釋我覺得這件事情是不是也反映出我們的法院是不是跟人民離得太遠\n如果之前不管是立法院的通過的這個條例或者法務部所認定的那麼跟我們司法院大法庭這個最高法院的大法庭所做出來宣告離得這麼遠最後我們又要用修法的方式來加以彌補\n這是不是就是我們真的覺得在司法上我們有些人是覺得政治干預司法好這個我倒是覺得這跟政治無關但是這也是讓人民對於司法沒有任何信心的主要的原因嘛好大家都認為說這個詐欺就是詐騙我們要嚴打嚴罰結果我們做出來的這個判就是做出來的判決還是有利於加害人而不是有利於被害人\n是不是我們都是 我們司法上是不是都是有這樣的問題啊我們 鳳飛書長可以回答我嗎\n那個報告委員我想那個大法庭他們會有這樣子的一個那個做出一個這樣子的那個解釋他們是有他們那個法理的那個根據的那在那個大法庭的裁定理由裡面也都有那個交代我要講的就是說在詐騙這件事情已經到了人神共憤了民怨沸騰的狀況之下然後我們還是可以關在冷氣房裡面做出我們自己的判決同樣的我也請教我們的這個次長\n我們最近大家認為說司法到底能不能信任最近你們有一位檢察官升官就是林俊炎這當然這位林俊炎檢察官之前我也不認識他\n那主要是 他是偵辦柯文哲的案件所以呢 突然聲名大噪果不其然呢 他也就升官了我想請問一下 在最近這一兩年我們檢察官系統裡面升官怎麼都是辦這些政治案件 辦到政治正確\n然後通通可以升官之前前有我們的法務部長鄭明謙因為他辦了林兹廟然後立刻官運亨通然後接下來辦高雄安的幾個檢察官辦完之後通通升官\n那現在又有林俊炎也是辦了柯文哲的案子也立刻升官接下來朱家榮一樣的他辦吳思瑤吳沛毅立委罷免聯署的檢察官也立刻被推薦然後在升官的名單上同樣的郭劍玉也是來辦柯文哲的案子通通升官所以\n政策正確是不是檢察官升官的這樣講是非常不公平的這個表明檢察官他是申請轉任法官這也不能說是升官那其他的不是升官嗎其他的事實上升主任檢察官目前本部有相當完整的程序不但要經過檢察官的票選而且還要有檢審會的機制來把關並不是單純由行政官員來占讀怎麼都那麼巧呢\n只要辦到政治正確的案件然後就那麼容易升官呢所以我要特別講喔在在司法裡面不管是政治案件或詐欺案件司法都應該成為維護人民正義的最後一道防線我剛才講的案例就是這個當然是你們法務部跟這個我們這個司法院之間這個宣告\n的之間有漢格當然這個部分我是支持法務部的也許你們在第一線辦案然後一個一個宣告就讓你們真的就沒有辦法好好的研辦那同樣的法務部現在的檢察官我們也好多次的來做質詢如果說今天林俊仁法官\n當然他辦的是柯文哲金華城的案件但是他現在所透露出的過程裡面包含他跑到醫院裡面然後要求關掉錄音錄影然後做詢問這個根本是不被容許的嘛\n對不對 這樣子的一個辦案手法這樣一個 我現在還不講他把所有這些辦案的訊息通通透露給淨檢這個淨檢是你們部長所認證的你們的另外一個單位淨檢然後在他的辦案過程裡面可以到了醫院裡面把錄音錄影全部關掉然後來做詢問\n這樣可以嗎這樣應該被懲罰吧怎麼還會被升官這是你要告訴所有的檢察官都可以這樣辦案嗎剛才所以講說法庭上要不要直播剛才省發會委員講到的一些可能有直播的一些的負面的作用其實我認為應該被檢討但是問題是大家非常擔心而且非常痛恨的司法辦案不能夠黑箱同不同意\n就是不能黑箱嘛我想司法方案沒有黑箱的問題那請問我就講一件事你詢問你詢問一個被告然後關掉錄音錄影請問一下是不是黑箱這樣的辦案手法可以被鼓勵嗎你所說的事情被告辯護人都有全程在場\n問 你可以關掉錄音錄影嗎 可不可以關掉錄音錄影你講 你講了以後這個都做記錄 就說你今天詢問檢察官詢問被告 然後說要讓他咬出另外一個被告但是我把錄音錄影全部關掉 你覺得可以嗎 來\n市長說那一個事件北檢已經有新聞稿說明過了他並不是一個詢問而是依照羈押法去做的視察那最後呢也在他發文有沒有講是去詢問啊然後也有說明他發文有沒有去做是詢問啊他跟\n跟他跟醫院的發文就是去詢問啊所以也就是說法務部可以包庇可以縱容可以容忍檢察官這樣的黑箱辦案然後還可以讓他升官這是要做什麼樣的不是指案事這是民事所以我要講就是說如果我們今天辦案不管是詐欺辦案不管是這個政治性的辦案我覺得最不能容忍的就是黑箱辦案\n同不同意所以我要講說為什麼大家通通都希望你們能夠公開啊尤其你們不能夠去鼓勵甚至讓這樣的檢察官去升官\n全民沒有辦法信任今天如果柯文哲可以這樣明天如果對待你黃士傑你可以接受嗎對待我王宏偉我也不能接受啊檢察官怎麼可以就關掉錄音錄影然後只為了要說抓住黃士傑你只要咬住黃士傑我把你錄音錄影全部關掉可以這樣嗎這叫個案喔\n蛤 你給他三關不就要通案了嗎你不是告訴全部的檢察官說你們都可以這樣幹嗎所以我要講的是我們一直支持檢察官在第一線辦案但是如果檢察官用不正當的黑箱辦案絕對不能容許 更是\n更可離譜的是竟然還可以讓他升官你們法部看這麼多的案例真的政治正確你們真的要讓檢察官都這樣幹法嗎如果檢察官如此的當場化對我們的司法絕對只是傷害好不好好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.103 --> 00:01.204\n謝謝主席慢慢來不要緊張\n\n00:18.027 --> 00:21.509\n請王副秘書長還有法務部今天是政事嘛委員走\n\n00:43.193 --> 01:05.354\n我想請問一下5月14號最高法院刑事大法庭做了一個裁定的宣告主要是針對我們的詐欺犯罪危害防治條例的第47條有關於這個減輕期刑的適用範圍那我們司法院就是最高法院刑事大法庭宣告裁定\n\n01:05.914 --> 01:26.325\n但是看起來呢引起了兩方的大戰我們法務部顯然不以為然那我想先請問一下就說這個媒體也都有報導因為我們非常關心有關於詐欺其實我們很多的民眾非常不爽的就是第一個我們詐欺這個詐騙沒有好好抓\n\n01:30.487 --> 01:42.816\n第二個好像抓到了之後呢也沒有好好的罰他們也沒有重罰所以今天我們的這樣的一個宣告這樣的一個簡形的一個適用範圍的宣告連法務部都很不爽那我想請問一下這是5月14號到目前為止\n\n01:53.084 --> 02:08.895\n包含這個法務部跟司法院針對這件事情有沒有補救或者是法務部提出說要做修法這個部分我想請問一下是不是先請司法院先來說然後再請法務部來說\n\n02:11.055 --> 02:28.881\n那個報告委員吼因為有關於那個大法庭的這個裁定就是因為就是這個法律通過之後呢有關於這個所謂的就是繳交犯罪所得這個檢刑要件到底是怎麼解釋是這個現在抓到了這個特定的這個被告他自己\n\n02:29.301 --> 02:57.786\n我了解對就是因為法務部現在不爽這個宣告就是認為這個對於他的範圍太過的限縮只是以他他自己自白我有多少犯罪所得然後他就可以獲得減刑我想這個也是我剛才講民眾非常關心的不爽的不滿的就是第一個詐欺犯沒有好好抓抓了以後也沒有重罰然後民眾的\n\n02:59.206 --> 03:18.556\n這個被詐欺的所得也都拿不回來我們這一陣子不管母親節或端午節我每一次的活動每一天都有人跟我反應這個事情大家其實民怨非常非常深所以我想請問一下這個宣告合理嗎還是說你們會再採取法務部的意見來做調整\n\n03:20.287 --> 03:48.105\n那個跟委員報告齁因為最高法院大法庭所做的裁定呢這完全是一個審判職權的一個形式所以我們司法行政是尊重的齁那就是如果法務部他們要修法就是把這個法律的那個文藝就是定得更清楚那這個部分司法院會尊重的好所以這唯一的現在唯一的救濟的方式只有像法務部所說的唯一只能用修法的方式嗎\n\n03:49.353 --> 04:15.715\n跟委員報告這一個部分我們先說明在大法庭延遲辯論的時候事實上我們的最高檢在延遲辯論的時候堅定的表達說應該要關於這個條文在法案條例47條應該要參照立法理由所述主要的目的是為了要填補犯罪被害人所受損害來做解釋那很無奈這個最高法院大法庭並沒有採取這樣的一個見解\n\n04:16.636 --> 04:32.199\n所以現在目前會有最快的速度來提出相關的法條的文字的修法讓文藝更明確來反映在立法旅遊的目的上面所以現在看起來唯有修法意圖囉\n\n04:33.800 --> 04:54.812\n因為這個法律解釋的權責還是在這個中省的法院也是最高法院在大法庭的裁定事實上確實會發生解釋上的拘束力那麼既然大法庭已經做除非大法庭另外再重新做出不同意見的解釋我覺得這件事情是不是也反映出我們的法院是不是跟人民離得太遠\n\n04:55.692 --> 05:11.984\n如果之前不管是立法院的通過的這個條例或者法務部所認定的那麼跟我們司法院大法庭這個最高法院的大法庭所做出來宣告離得這麼遠最後我們又要用修法的方式來加以彌補\n\n05:14.005 --> 05:43.245\n這是不是就是我們真的覺得在司法上我們有些人是覺得政治干預司法好這個我倒是覺得這跟政治無關但是這也是讓人民對於司法沒有任何信心的主要的原因嘛好大家都認為說這個詐欺就是詐騙我們要嚴打嚴罰結果我們做出來的這個判就是做出來的判決還是有利於加害人而不是有利於被害人\n\n05:44.406 --> 05:47.312\n是不是我們都是我們司法上是不是都是有這樣的問題啊我們鳳飛書長可以回答我嗎\n\n05:53.376 --> 06:20.434\n那個報告委員我想那個大法庭他們會有這樣子的一個那個做出一個這樣子的那個解釋他們是有他們那個法理的那個根據的那在那個大法庭的裁定理由裡面也都有那個交代我要講的就是說在詐騙這件事情已經到了人神共憤了民怨沸騰的狀況之下然後我們還是可以關在冷氣房裡面做出我們自己的判決同樣的我也請教我們的這個次長\n\n06:23.496 --> 06:27.258\n我們最近大家認為說司法到底能不能信任最近你們有一位檢察官升官就是林俊炎這當然這位林俊炎檢察官之前我也不認識他\n\n06:38.863 --> 06:52.353\n那主要是他是偵辦柯文哲的案件所以呢突然聲名大噪果不其然呢他也就升官了我想請問一下在最近這一兩年我們檢察官系統裡面升官怎麼都是辦這些政治案件辦到政治正確\n\n07:02.901 --> 07:09.408\n然後通通可以升官之前前有我們的法務部長鄭明謙因為他辦了林兹廟然後立刻官運亨通然後接下來辦高雄安的幾個檢察官辦完之後通通升官\n\n07:22.222 --> 07:45.048\n那現在又有林俊炎也是辦了柯文哲的案子也立刻升官接下來朱家榮一樣的他辦吳思瑤吳沛毅立委罷免聯署的檢察官也立刻被推薦然後在升官的名單上同樣的郭劍玉也是來辦柯文哲的案子通通升官所以\n\n07:48.806 --> 08:13.909\n政策正確是不是檢察官升官的這樣講是非常不公平的這個表明檢察官他是申請轉任法官這也不能說是升官那其他的不是升官嗎其他的事實上升主任檢察官目前本部有相當完整的程序不但要經過檢察官的票選而且還要有檢審會的機制來把關並不是單純由行政官員來占讀怎麼都那麼巧呢\n\n08:14.389 --> 08:20.570\n只要辦到政治正確的案件然後就那麼容易升官呢所以我要特別講喔在在司法裡面不管是政治案件或詐欺案件司法都應該成為維護人民正義的最後一道防線我剛才講的案例就是這個當然是你們法務部跟這個我們這個司法院之間這個宣告\n\n08:43.214 --> 08:47.437\n的之間有漢格當然這個部分我是支持法務部的也許你們在第一線辦案然後一個一個宣告就讓你們真的就沒有辦法好好的研辦那同樣的法務部現在的檢察官我們也好多次的來做質詢如果說今天林俊仁法官\n\n09:04.330 --> 09:22.193\n當然他辦的是柯文哲金華城的案件但是他現在所透露出的過程裡面包含他跑到醫院裡面然後要求關掉錄音錄影然後做詢問這個根本是不被容許的嘛\n\n09:22.774 --> 09:27.138\n對不對這樣子的一個辦案手法這樣一個我現在還不講他把所有這些辦案的訊息通通透露給淨檢這個淨檢是你們部長所認證的你們的另外一個單位淨檢然後在他的辦案過程裡面可以到了醫院裡面把錄音錄影全部關掉然後來做詢問\n\n09:48.577 --> 10:16.348\n這樣可以嗎這樣應該被懲罰吧怎麼還會被升官這是你要告訴所有的檢察官都可以這樣辦案嗎剛才所以講說法庭上要不要直播剛才省發會委員講到的一些可能有直播的一些的負面的作用其實我認為應該被檢討但是問題是大家非常擔心而且非常痛恨的司法辦案不能夠黑箱同不同意\n\n10:17.108 --> 10:33.571\n就是不能黑箱嘛我想司法方案沒有黑箱的問題那請問我就講一件事你詢問你詢問一個被告然後關掉錄音錄影請問一下是不是黑箱這樣的辦案手法可以被鼓勵嗎你所說的事情被告辯護人都有全程在場\n\n10:35.394 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鳳飛書長可以回答我嗎"},{"start":353.376,"end":380.434,"text":"那個報告委員我想那個大法庭他們會有這樣子的一個那個做出一個這樣子的那個解釋他們是有他們那個法理的那個根據的那在那個大法庭的裁定理由裡面也都有那個交代我要講的就是說在詐騙這件事情已經到了人神共憤了民怨沸騰的狀況之下然後我們還是可以關在冷氣房裡面做出我們自己的判決同樣的我也請教我們的這個次長"},{"start":383.496,"end":387.258,"text":"我們最近大家認為說司法到底能不能信任最近你們有一位檢察官升官就是林俊炎這當然這位林俊炎檢察官之前我也不認識他"},{"start":398.863,"end":412.353,"text":"那主要是 他是偵辦柯文哲的案件所以呢 突然聲名大噪果不其然呢 他也就升官了我想請問一下 在最近這一兩年我們檢察官系統裡面升官怎麼都是辦這些政治案件 辦到政治正確"},{"start":422.901,"end":429.408,"text":"然後通通可以升官之前前有我們的法務部長鄭明謙因為他辦了林兹廟然後立刻官運亨通然後接下來辦高雄安的幾個檢察官辦完之後通通升官"},{"start":442.222,"end":465.048,"text":"那現在又有林俊炎也是辦了柯文哲的案子也立刻升官接下來朱家榮一樣的他辦吳思瑤吳沛毅立委罷免聯署的檢察官也立刻被推薦然後在升官的名單上同樣的郭劍玉也是來辦柯文哲的案子通通升官所以"},{"start":468.806,"end":493.909,"text":"政策正確是不是檢察官升官的這樣講是非常不公平的這個表明檢察官他是申請轉任法官這也不能說是升官那其他的不是升官嗎其他的事實上升主任檢察官目前本部有相當完整的程序不但要經過檢察官的票選而且還要有檢審會的機制來把關並不是單純由行政官員來占讀怎麼都那麼巧呢"},{"start":494.389,"end":500.57,"text":"只要辦到政治正確的案件然後就那麼容易升官呢所以我要特別講喔在在司法裡面不管是政治案件或詐欺案件司法都應該成為維護人民正義的最後一道防線我剛才講的案例就是這個當然是你們法務部跟這個我們這個司法院之間這個宣告"},{"start":523.214,"end":527.437,"text":"的之間有漢格當然這個部分我是支持法務部的也許你們在第一線辦案然後一個一個宣告就讓你們真的就沒有辦法好好的研辦那同樣的法務部現在的檢察官我們也好多次的來做質詢如果說今天林俊仁法官"},{"start":544.33,"end":562.193,"text":"當然他辦的是柯文哲金華城的案件但是他現在所透露出的過程裡面包含他跑到醫院裡面然後要求關掉錄音錄影然後做詢問這個根本是不被容許的嘛"},{"start":562.774,"end":567.138,"text":"對不對 這樣子的一個辦案手法這樣一個 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