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00:01:40,404\n黃委員好部長好今天有三個部分來跟部長這邊做討論包括廚餘分類的政策還有移動噪音的防治第三項就是空污統計的資訊我想剛剛最後一項很多委員都有跟部長討論過那第一個部分就是廚餘分類我們什麼時候要吃粽子\n\n6\n00:01:42,930 --> 00:02:00,387\n應該過兩天嘛端午節所以這個種葉到底是當作什麼垃圾來處理是一般垃圾還是可以當作回收的廚餘不知道目前種葉是垃圾但是裡面沒吃完的種子是廚餘\n\n7\n00:02:01,628 --> 00:02:26,784\n是這樣子這是中央的態度嗎還是說每一個縣市有不同的處理方式是向委員報告其實綜業這部分各縣市的處理方式不一致它會依照它後端的去處跟它處理方式會有不同是所以重要的是各個縣市它自己處理的方式或者是它的量能不一樣所以它的規範不一樣\n\n8\n00:02:27,805 --> 00:02:52,159\n是的譬如說有一些是拿去養豬或者是他就不會把種葉認為是所以盡量把它吃完不過好像有一些外國人來台灣吃粽子的時候會把粽葉順便也吃下去他以為是一個生菜一樣不過我們可以看一下其實真的各個縣市有很大的不一樣那彰化縣跟新北市\n\n9\n00:02:53,340 --> 00:03:13,423\n它是當作我們看一下下一個畫面就知道三化縣跟新北市把它當作一般垃圾高雄市把它當作這個堆毀廚餘這個是很不一樣的地方那我們再看往下其實除了這個應景的種業以外我們發現\n\n10\n00:03:14,784 --> 00:03:32,779\n很多很多的這個廚餘的分類是差很多包括以骨頭為例那骨頭的話新北市要把這個骨頭當作這個其他的廚餘丟入一般垃圾來處理這個是新北市的做法然後我們看到台北市又不一樣\n\n11\n00:03:33,960 --> 00:04:01,525\n台北市有把這個當作廚餘堆毀的廚餘要回收這個回收是不分大小的骨頭只要是骨頭就把它當作台北市就把它當作這個堆毀廚餘那我們再看一下台東台東也不太一樣台東又把這個骨頭分為大骨頭小骨頭如果是屬於這個積壓壓的小骨頭當作一個不分生殖的廚餘來處理那如果是大骨頭的話\n\n12\n00:04:03,065 --> 00:04:24,436\n是變成一個處理一般垃圾來處理意思就是說剛剛署長也提到根據這個每一個縣市的處理方式不同考量狹內清除處理的設施還有去化管道食物的需求會處理到不同的方式覺得這樣好嗎\n\n13\n00:04:26,277 --> 00:04:43,827\n這樣的處理方式會不會對民眾造成一種我住在新北市我在台北市工作那我中午的處理垃圾模式就跟晚上我回到家處理垃圾模式不一樣這樣會不會造成困惑或困擾這部分不知道再過來有什麼好的方式沒有\n\n14\n00:04:46,169 --> 00:05:04,261\n因為廚餘的後端處理,有些像剛才提到的粽葉或者是骨頭這個因為它後面有沒有粉碎的設備,或者是它粉碎的設備到什麼程度等等之類的,它各地會有不同的處理方式\n\n15\n00:05:05,643 --> 00:05:19,742\n原則上在我們請到廚餘的時候各地的清潔隊如果發現這個分類不對會做交易那這種交易只要交一次民眾大概就可以接受了那當然還是會有因為像\n\n16\n00:05:20,863 --> 00:05:37,073\n委員所提的就是說我第一次來我可能騎不到這個不過整體而言那個清潔隊是第一線他會跟民眾講什麼去做的確是有這個狀況不過我也會去追著垃圾車\n\n17\n00:05:38,594 --> 00:05:55,387\n丟廚餘啦或是丟很多的垃圾我們很壓抑就是好像我們很努力的把它做好分類拿去把它撈起來好像它就就是你放到那個就跟我們期待的其實是不一樣的我是不太清楚大家的生活經驗如何\n\n18\n00:05:56,047 --> 00:06:23,167\n我意思是說當我們很努力的想要配合各個縣市要做這些垃圾分類的時候往往到了現場到垃圾現場發現他放置的方式或者是位置跟我們期待不一樣我們就覺得這樣我們賺到錢要做這個處理垃圾的分類有意義嗎這個部分所以我們才提了一些想是不是透過方便民眾執行跟落實分類的方式來做調理\n\n19\n00:06:23,587 --> 00:06:47,498\n那方便清潔隊員跟業者處理的處置模式來把這個垃圾的分類可以做得更好那當然也可以方便各級政府來做機關的宣傳那如果沒有辦法就好像剛剛署長所提到部長所提到的因為每一個縣市他處理垃圾的量能還有他的能力是不一樣的話那如果沒有辦法一步到位全國統一能不能做區域整合\n\n20\n00:06:48,578 --> 00:07:15,734\n生活圈理論上我剛舉個例子我平常在基隆以前是白天在基隆上班那我回到台北市的時候那我的處理模式如果區域能夠整合到一個程度的話對於未來垃圾的處理會不會讓民眾可以更有好的配合模式那這部分不知道部裡面有沒有可以進行規劃或者是如何跟各縣市來做一些統合\n\n21\n00:07:16,556 --> 00:07:26,764\n是下面報告我們那個廚藝的部分其實在110年有訂定一個廚藝的分類的指引這當然指引是一個\n\n22\n00:07:29,093 --> 00:07:48,682\n後端有講究說各縣市可以依照它的實際的狀況再做細部的調整那區域的合作方面謝謝委員指導我們下去之後來跟各地方政府環保局來做一個協調談談看有沒有這個機會或者是大家如何去合作等這個部分我們來做\n\n23\n00:07:49,582 --> 00:08:10,718\n好啊在麻煩部裡面書裡面這邊來加油那第二個部分就是有關這個移動噪音員的防治之前也有跟部長討論過我目前知道很多移動噪音其實很對於尤其在渡會區裡面對民眾的影響不管是在深夜啦或者是突然一個大的噪音造成的影響其實蠻大的\n\n24\n00:08:12,219 --> 00:08:28,252\n那這邊所造成的這個車輛噪音稽查下來差不多是有佔了11.07%那這部分我們也知道在取締上有某一些的困難度所以上一次部長也提到說希望能夠針對於這個源頭做管理\n\n25\n00:08:30,715 --> 00:08:46,449\n這邊有提了兩個部分就是除了這個設置聲音照相透過科技執法來取締噪音車以外那就是改裝排氣源的這個源頭管理那不知道目前執行狀況有沒有可以提供我們做參考的地方\n\n26\n00:08:47,328 --> 00:09:12,253\n向委員報告目前這個有關排氣管認證的部分目前已經在實施從今年1月1號開始那我們也提供就是經本部認證有400多組的這個排氣管讓民眾選擇那此外在那個聲音照相的部分我們目前其實正在爭取公務預算在今年年底的時候我們希望全國可以設置300套然後到118年的時候能夠設到600套來增加這個科技執法的量能\n\n27\n00:09:12,973 --> 00:09:41,159\n是所以取締的量還有本身的源頭管理都有在有開始今年1月的時候開始OK好那我們期待會有一些成果出來那最後就是有關於這個空污統計的資訊我想很多委員都已經剛剛也跟部長討論過那王明遠委員這次其實我們也一起去瑞士包括劉淑檳委員對於當地的空氣的確都非常羨慕當然他們有他們的環境也有他們的條件\n\n28\n00:09:42,339 --> 00:10:02,332\n那針對這部分不知道除了說當初部長很希望大家更能理解很多的空氣污染除了我們現在的政策之外還有其他的一些科學數據告訴民眾說我們空氣的品質當然還可以再進步\n\n29\n00:10:03,793 --> 00:10:21,332\n可是一些科學根據也告訴我們大家民眾其實除了如何保護自己以外也知道努力的方向跟進步的部分那這部分可不可以請部長利用這個時間再跟全國民眾做一些說明好謝謝委員因為其實瑞士\n\n30\n00:10:22,793 --> 00:10:47,069\n這個為什麼比較好它跟人口的密度有很大的關係其實它的人口密度跟台灣是差別很大那人其實生活裡面就會產生很多的污染物例如說我們的煮菜或各方面那我們一般的這個空污的計算呢基本上PM2.5是代表所有污染物包含SARS、NAC直接或是衍生性的污染物所以我們通常都是用PM2.5來做一個計算所以現在國際的這個期刊假設我們談癌症\n\n31\n00:10:49,531 --> 00:11:05,384\n跟這種所謂的健康的關係都是用PM2.5來做代表那因為其實空污非常的深那很多人不是很瞭解所以我們其實五月中的時候也發布了這個空瓶的白皮書那當然這個部分因為我們才剛完成所以未來我們會強化跟社會大眾的一個溝通\n\n32\n00:11:08,166 --> 00:11:32,117\n因為其實我們日常生活當中我們不管是家裡面其實就有很多產生PM2.5的來源那我們在室內的機會會比較多當然我必須說我們戶外的那個管制我們環境部這是我們的職責我們會要求不管是公營機關或是私立其實我們都有管制他們每一根煙囪我們都有這個監控的這個設備在那邊我們未來一定會嚴格的來管制希望的污染物可以減量\n\n33\n00:11:33,438 --> 00:11:54,954\n其實像部長所提到的瑞士它的面積是四萬平方公里左右比台灣稍微多一點他們人口是八百萬左右只有我們的三分之一左右所以生活條件不一樣當然造成的這個環境都不太一樣不過的確也希望大家繼續努力就麻煩部長謝謝委員謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n440\t1142\t黃志旭委員來做選擇\n10546\t32722\t好 謝謝主席也謝謝剛剛主席的美言跟鼓勵的確這次去日內瓦參加相關的會議尤其是世界衛生大會有更多的國家不管是離岸相近或是我們邦交國真的都很希望台灣有機會不管是當觀察員或者是直接進到議場去參與討論都有給我們更多的支持\n36545\t57430\t那也跟當地的議員們也討論到說這個我們的議員國會之間怎麼交流他們也很期待台灣給予更多的協助跟討論尤其是他們發現當地的青少年自殺比例其實越來越高他們也很擔心那他們也知道台灣做的努力\n58110\t72169\t還有一些成果所以未來我們有更多的機會來跟他們一起共同討論其他還有很多現在不方便跟大家報告的地方我們找機會再來做討論謝謝主席那我們就請部長請部長\n77948\t100404\t黃委員好部長好今天有三個部分來跟部長這邊做討論包括廚餘分類的政策還有移動噪音的防治第三項就是空污統計的資訊我想剛剛最後一項很多委員都有跟部長討論過那第一個部分就是廚餘分類我們什麼時候要吃粽子\n102930\t120387\t應該過兩天嘛端午節所以這個種葉到底是當作什麼垃圾來處理是一般垃圾還是可以當作回收的廚餘不知道目前種葉是垃圾但是裡面沒吃完的種子是廚餘\n121628\t146784\t是這樣子這是中央的態度嗎還是說每一個縣市有不同的處理方式是 向委員報告其實綜業這部分各縣市的處理方式不一致它會依照它後端的去處跟它處理方式會有不同是 所以重要的是各個縣市它自己處理的方式或者是它的量能不一樣所以它的規範不一樣\n147805\t172159\t是的譬如說有一些是拿去養豬或者是他就不會把種葉認為是所以盡量把它吃完不過好像有一些外國人來台灣吃粽子的時候會把粽葉順便也吃下去他以為是一個生菜一樣不過我們可以看一下其實真的各個縣市有很大的不一樣那彰化縣跟新北市\n173340\t193423\t它是當作我們看一下下一個畫面就知道三化縣跟新北市把它當作一般垃圾高雄市把它當作這個堆毀廚餘這個是很不一樣的地方那我們再看往下其實除了這個應景的種業以外我們發現\n194784\t212779\t很多很多的這個廚餘的分類是差很多包括以骨頭為例那骨頭的話新北市要把這個骨頭當作這個其他的廚餘丟入一般垃圾來處理這個是新北市的做法然後我們看到台北市又不一樣\n213960\t241525\t台北市有把這個當作廚餘堆毀的廚餘要回收這個回收是不分大小的骨頭只要是骨頭就把它當作台北市就把它當作這個堆毀廚餘那我們再看一下台東台東也不太一樣台東又把這個骨頭分為大骨頭小骨頭如果是屬於這個積壓壓的小骨頭當作一個不分生殖的廚餘來處理那如果是大骨頭的話\n243065\t264436\t是變成一個處理一般垃圾來處理意思就是說剛剛署長也提到根據這個每一個縣市的處理方式不同考量狹內清除處理的設施還有去化管道食物的需求會處理到不同的方式覺得這樣好嗎\n266277\t283827\t這樣的處理方式會不會對民眾造成一種我住在新北市我在台北市工作那我中午的處理垃圾模式就跟晚上我回到家處理垃圾模式不一樣這樣會不會造成困惑或困擾這部分不知道再過來有什麼好的方式沒有\n286169\t304261\t因為廚餘的後端處理,有些像剛才提到的粽葉或者是骨頭這個因為它後面有沒有粉碎的設備,或者是它粉碎的設備到什麼程度等等之類的,它各地會有不同的處理方式\n305643\t319742\t原則上在我們請到廚餘的時候各地的清潔隊如果發現這個分類不對會做交易那這種交易只要交一次民眾大概就可以接受了那當然還是會有因為像\n320863\t337073\t委員所提的就是說我第一次來我可能騎不到這個不過整體而言那個清潔隊是第一線他會跟民眾講什麼去做的確是有這個狀況不過我也會去追著垃圾車\n338594\t355387\t丟廚餘啦或是丟很多的垃圾我們很壓抑就是好像我們很努力的把它做好分類拿去把它撈起來好像它就就是你放到那個就跟我們期待的其實是不一樣的我是不太清楚大家的生活經驗如何\n356047\t383167\t我意思是說 當我們很努力的想要配合各個縣市要做這些垃圾分類的時候往往到了現場 到垃圾現場發現他放置的方式或者是位置跟我們期待不一樣我們就覺得 這樣我們賺到錢要做這個處理垃圾的分類有意義嗎 這個部分所以我們才提了一些想是不是透過方便民眾執行跟落實分類的方式來做調理\n383587\t407498\t那方便清潔隊員跟業者處理的處置模式來把這個垃圾的分類可以做得更好那當然也可以方便各級政府來做機關的宣傳那如果沒有辦法就好像剛剛署長所提到部長所提到的因為每一個縣市他處理垃圾的量能還有他的能力是不一樣的話那如果沒有辦法一步到位全國統一能不能做區域整合\n408578\t435734\t生活圈理論上我剛舉個例子我平常在基隆以前是白天在基隆上班那我回到台北市的時候那我的處理模式如果區域能夠整合到一個程度的話對於未來垃圾的處理會不會讓民眾可以更有好的配合模式那這部分不知道部裡面有沒有可以進行規劃或者是如何跟各縣市來做一些統合\n436556\t446764\t是 下面報告我們那個廚藝的部分其實在110年有訂定一個廚藝的分類的指引這當然指引是一個\n449093\t468682\t後端有講究說各縣市可以依照它的實際的狀況再做細部的調整那區域的合作方面謝謝委員指導我們下去之後來跟各地方政府環保局來做一個協調談談看有沒有這個機會或者是大家如何去合作等這個部分我們來做\n469582\t490718\t好啊在麻煩部裡面書裡面這邊來加油那第二個部分就是有關這個移動噪音員的防治之前也有跟部長討論過我目前知道很多移動噪音其實很對於尤其在渡會區裡面對民眾的影響不管是在深夜啦或者是突然一個大的噪音造成的影響其實蠻大的\n492219\t508252\t那這邊所造成的這個車輛噪音稽查下來差不多是有佔了11.07%那這部分我們也知道在取締上有某一些的困難度所以上一次部長也提到說希望能夠針對於這個源頭做管理\n510715\t526449\t這邊有提了兩個部分就是除了這個設置聲音照相透過科技執法來取締噪音車以外那就是改裝排氣源的這個源頭管理那不知道目前執行狀況有沒有可以提供我們做參考的地方\n527328\t552253\t向委員報告目前這個有關排氣管認證的部分目前已經在實施從今年1月1號開始那我們也提供就是經本部認證有400多組的這個排氣管讓民眾選擇那此外在那個聲音照相的部分我們目前其實正在爭取公務預算在今年年底的時候我們希望全國可以設置300套然後到118年的時候能夠設到600套來增加這個科技執法的量能\n552973\t581159\t是 所以取締的量還有本身的源頭管理都有在有開始 今年1月的時候開始OK 好 那我們期待會有一些成果出來那最後就是有關於這個空污統計的資訊我想很多委員都已經剛剛也跟部長討論過那王明遠委員這次其實我們也一起去瑞士包括劉淑檳委員對於當地的空氣的確都非常羨慕當然他們有他們的環境也有他們的條件\n582339\t602332\t那針對這部分不知道除了說當初部長很希望大家更能理解很多的空氣污染除了我們現在的政策之外還有其他的一些科學數據告訴民眾說我們空氣的品質當然還可以再進步\n603793\t621332\t可是一些科學根據也告訴我們大家民眾其實除了如何保護自己以外也知道努力的方向跟進步的部分那這部分可不可以請部長利用這個時間再跟全國民眾做一些說明好 謝謝委員因為其實瑞士\n622793\t647069\t這個為什麼比較好它跟人口的密度有很大的關係其實它的人口密度跟台灣是差別很大那人其實生活裡面就會產生很多的污染物例如說我們的煮菜或各方面那我們一般的這個空污的計算呢基本上PM2.5是代表所有污染物包含SARS、NAC直接或是衍生性的污染物所以我們通常都是用PM2.5來做一個計算所以現在國際的這個期刊假設我們談癌症\n649531\t665384\t跟這種所謂的健康的關係都是用PM2.5來做代表那因為其實空污非常的深那很多人不是很瞭解所以我們其實五月中的時候也發布了這個空瓶的白皮書那當然這個部分因為我們才剛完成所以未來我們會強化跟社會大眾的一個溝通\n668166\t692117\t因為其實我們日常生活當中我們不管是家裡面其實就有很多產生PM2.5的來源那我們在室內的機會會比較多當然我必須說我們戶外的那個管制我們環境部這是我們的職責我們會要求不管是公營機關或是私立其實我們都有管制他們每一根煙囪我們都有這個監控的這個設備在那邊我們未來一定會嚴格的來管制希望的污染物可以減量\n693438\t714954\t其實像部長所提到的瑞士它的面積是四萬平方公里左右比台灣稍微多一點他們人口是八百萬左右只有我們的三分之一左右所以生活條件不一樣當然造成的這個環境都不太一樣不過的確也希望大家繼續努力就麻煩部長謝謝委員謝謝\n","txt":"黃志旭委員來做選擇\n好 謝謝主席也謝謝剛剛主席的美言跟鼓勵的確這次去日內瓦參加相關的會議尤其是世界衛生大會有更多的國家不管是離岸相近或是我們邦交國真的都很希望台灣有機會不管是當觀察員或者是直接進到議場去參與討論都有給我們更多的支持\n那也跟當地的議員們也討論到說這個我們的議員國會之間怎麼交流他們也很期待台灣給予更多的協助跟討論尤其是他們發現當地的青少年自殺比例其實越來越高他們也很擔心那他們也知道台灣做的努力\n還有一些成果所以未來我們有更多的機會來跟他們一起共同討論其他還有很多現在不方便跟大家報告的地方我們找機會再來做討論謝謝主席那我們就請部長請部長\n黃委員好部長好今天有三個部分來跟部長這邊做討論包括廚餘分類的政策還有移動噪音的防治第三項就是空污統計的資訊我想剛剛最後一項很多委員都有跟部長討論過那第一個部分就是廚餘分類我們什麼時候要吃粽子\n應該過兩天嘛端午節所以這個種葉到底是當作什麼垃圾來處理是一般垃圾還是可以當作回收的廚餘不知道目前種葉是垃圾但是裡面沒吃完的種子是廚餘\n是這樣子這是中央的態度嗎還是說每一個縣市有不同的處理方式是 向委員報告其實綜業這部分各縣市的處理方式不一致它會依照它後端的去處跟它處理方式會有不同是 所以重要的是各個縣市它自己處理的方式或者是它的量能不一樣所以它的規範不一樣\n是的譬如說有一些是拿去養豬或者是他就不會把種葉認為是所以盡量把它吃完不過好像有一些外國人來台灣吃粽子的時候會把粽葉順便也吃下去他以為是一個生菜一樣不過我們可以看一下其實真的各個縣市有很大的不一樣那彰化縣跟新北市\n它是當作我們看一下下一個畫面就知道三化縣跟新北市把它當作一般垃圾高雄市把它當作這個堆毀廚餘這個是很不一樣的地方那我們再看往下其實除了這個應景的種業以外我們發現\n很多很多的這個廚餘的分類是差很多包括以骨頭為例那骨頭的話新北市要把這個骨頭當作這個其他的廚餘丟入一般垃圾來處理這個是新北市的做法然後我們看到台北市又不一樣\n台北市有把這個當作廚餘堆毀的廚餘要回收這個回收是不分大小的骨頭只要是骨頭就把它當作台北市就把它當作這個堆毀廚餘那我們再看一下台東台東也不太一樣台東又把這個骨頭分為大骨頭小骨頭如果是屬於這個積壓壓的小骨頭當作一個不分生殖的廚餘來處理那如果是大骨頭的話\n是變成一個處理一般垃圾來處理意思就是說剛剛署長也提到根據這個每一個縣市的處理方式不同考量狹內清除處理的設施還有去化管道食物的需求會處理到不同的方式覺得這樣好嗎\n這樣的處理方式會不會對民眾造成一種我住在新北市我在台北市工作那我中午的處理垃圾模式就跟晚上我回到家處理垃圾模式不一樣這樣會不會造成困惑或困擾這部分不知道再過來有什麼好的方式沒有\n因為廚餘的後端處理,有些像剛才提到的粽葉或者是骨頭這個因為它後面有沒有粉碎的設備,或者是它粉碎的設備到什麼程度等等之類的,它各地會有不同的處理方式\n原則上在我們請到廚餘的時候各地的清潔隊如果發現這個分類不對會做交易那這種交易只要交一次民眾大概就可以接受了那當然還是會有因為像\n委員所提的就是說我第一次來我可能騎不到這個不過整體而言那個清潔隊是第一線他會跟民眾講什麼去做的確是有這個狀況不過我也會去追著垃圾車\n丟廚餘啦或是丟很多的垃圾我們很壓抑就是好像我們很努力的把它做好分類拿去把它撈起來好像它就就是你放到那個就跟我們期待的其實是不一樣的我是不太清楚大家的生活經驗如何\n我意思是說 當我們很努力的想要配合各個縣市要做這些垃圾分類的時候往往到了現場 到垃圾現場發現他放置的方式或者是位置跟我們期待不一樣我們就覺得 這樣我們賺到錢要做這個處理垃圾的分類有意義嗎 這個部分所以我們才提了一些想是不是透過方便民眾執行跟落實分類的方式來做調理\n那方便清潔隊員跟業者處理的處置模式來把這個垃圾的分類可以做得更好那當然也可以方便各級政府來做機關的宣傳那如果沒有辦法就好像剛剛署長所提到部長所提到的因為每一個縣市他處理垃圾的量能還有他的能力是不一樣的話那如果沒有辦法一步到位全國統一能不能做區域整合\n生活圈理論上我剛舉個例子我平常在基隆以前是白天在基隆上班那我回到台北市的時候那我的處理模式如果區域能夠整合到一個程度的話對於未來垃圾的處理會不會讓民眾可以更有好的配合模式那這部分不知道部裡面有沒有可以進行規劃或者是如何跟各縣市來做一些統合\n是 下面報告我們那個廚藝的部分其實在110年有訂定一個廚藝的分類的指引這當然指引是一個\n後端有講究說各縣市可以依照它的實際的狀況再做細部的調整那區域的合作方面謝謝委員指導我們下去之後來跟各地方政府環保局來做一個協調談談看有沒有這個機會或者是大家如何去合作等這個部分我們來做\n好啊在麻煩部裡面書裡面這邊來加油那第二個部分就是有關這個移動噪音員的防治之前也有跟部長討論過我目前知道很多移動噪音其實很對於尤其在渡會區裡面對民眾的影響不管是在深夜啦或者是突然一個大的噪音造成的影響其實蠻大的\n那這邊所造成的這個車輛噪音稽查下來差不多是有佔了11.07%那這部分我們也知道在取締上有某一些的困難度所以上一次部長也提到說希望能夠針對於這個源頭做管理\n這邊有提了兩個部分就是除了這個設置聲音照相透過科技執法來取締噪音車以外那就是改裝排氣源的這個源頭管理那不知道目前執行狀況有沒有可以提供我們做參考的地方\n向委員報告目前這個有關排氣管認證的部分目前已經在實施從今年1月1號開始那我們也提供就是經本部認證有400多組的這個排氣管讓民眾選擇那此外在那個聲音照相的部分我們目前其實正在爭取公務預算在今年年底的時候我們希望全國可以設置300套然後到118年的時候能夠設到600套來增加這個科技執法的量能\n是 所以取締的量還有本身的源頭管理都有在有開始 今年1月的時候開始OK 好 那我們期待會有一些成果出來那最後就是有關於這個空污統計的資訊我想很多委員都已經剛剛也跟部長討論過那王明遠委員這次其實我們也一起去瑞士包括劉淑檳委員對於當地的空氣的確都非常羨慕當然他們有他們的環境也有他們的條件\n那針對這部分不知道除了說當初部長很希望大家更能理解很多的空氣污染除了我們現在的政策之外還有其他的一些科學數據告訴民眾說我們空氣的品質當然還可以再進步\n可是一些科學根據也告訴我們大家民眾其實除了如何保護自己以外也知道努力的方向跟進步的部分那這部分可不可以請部長利用這個時間再跟全國民眾做一些說明好 謝謝委員因為其實瑞士\n這個為什麼比較好它跟人口的密度有很大的關係其實它的人口密度跟台灣是差別很大那人其實生活裡面就會產生很多的污染物例如說我們的煮菜或各方面那我們一般的這個空污的計算呢基本上PM2.5是代表所有污染物包含SARS、NAC直接或是衍生性的污染物所以我們通常都是用PM2.5來做一個計算所以現在國際的這個期刊假設我們談癌症\n跟這種所謂的健康的關係都是用PM2.5來做代表那因為其實空污非常的深那很多人不是很瞭解所以我們其實五月中的時候也發布了這個空瓶的白皮書那當然這個部分因為我們才剛完成所以未來我們會強化跟社會大眾的一個溝通\n因為其實我們日常生活當中我們不管是家裡面其實就有很多產生PM2.5的來源那我們在室內的機會會比較多當然我必須說我們戶外的那個管制我們環境部這是我們的職責我們會要求不管是公營機關或是私立其實我們都有管制他們每一根煙囪我們都有這個監控的這個設備在那邊我們未來一定會嚴格的來管制希望的污染物可以減量\n其實像部長所提到的瑞士它的面積是四萬平方公里左右比台灣稍微多一點他們人口是八百萬左右只有我們的三分之一左右所以生活條件不一樣當然造成的這個環境都不太一樣不過的確也希望大家繼續努力就麻煩部長謝謝委員謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.440 --> 00:01.142\n黃志旭委員來做選擇\n\n00:10.546 --> 00:32.722\n好謝謝主席也謝謝剛剛主席的美言跟鼓勵的確這次去日內瓦參加相關的會議尤其是世界衛生大會有更多的國家不管是離岸相近或是我們邦交國真的都很希望台灣有機會不管是當觀察員或者是直接進到議場去參與討論都有給我們更多的支持\n\n00:36.545 --> 00:57.430\n那也跟當地的議員們也討論到說這個我們的議員國會之間怎麼交流他們也很期待台灣給予更多的協助跟討論尤其是他們發現當地的青少年自殺比例其實越來越高他們也很擔心那他們也知道台灣做的努力\n\n00:58.110 --> 01:12.169\n還有一些成果所以未來我們有更多的機會來跟他們一起共同討論其他還有很多現在不方便跟大家報告的地方我們找機會再來做討論謝謝主席那我們就請部長請部長\n\n01:17.948 --> 01:40.404\n黃委員好部長好今天有三個部分來跟部長這邊做討論包括廚餘分類的政策還有移動噪音的防治第三項就是空污統計的資訊我想剛剛最後一項很多委員都有跟部長討論過那第一個部分就是廚餘分類我們什麼時候要吃粽子\n\n01:42.930 --> 02:00.387\n應該過兩天嘛端午節所以這個種葉到底是當作什麼垃圾來處理是一般垃圾還是可以當作回收的廚餘不知道目前種葉是垃圾但是裡面沒吃完的種子是廚餘\n\n02:01.628 --> 02:26.784\n是這樣子這是中央的態度嗎還是說每一個縣市有不同的處理方式是向委員報告其實綜業這部分各縣市的處理方式不一致它會依照它後端的去處跟它處理方式會有不同是所以重要的是各個縣市它自己處理的方式或者是它的量能不一樣所以它的規範不一樣\n\n02:27.805 --> 02:52.159\n是的譬如說有一些是拿去養豬或者是他就不會把種葉認為是所以盡量把它吃完不過好像有一些外國人來台灣吃粽子的時候會把粽葉順便也吃下去他以為是一個生菜一樣不過我們可以看一下其實真的各個縣市有很大的不一樣那彰化縣跟新北市\n\n02:53.340 --> 03:13.423\n它是當作我們看一下下一個畫面就知道三化縣跟新北市把它當作一般垃圾高雄市把它當作這個堆毀廚餘這個是很不一樣的地方那我們再看往下其實除了這個應景的種業以外我們發現\n\n03:14.784 --> 03:32.779\n很多很多的這個廚餘的分類是差很多包括以骨頭為例那骨頭的話新北市要把這個骨頭當作這個其他的廚餘丟入一般垃圾來處理這個是新北市的做法然後我們看到台北市又不一樣\n\n03:33.960 --> 04:01.525\n台北市有把這個當作廚餘堆毀的廚餘要回收這個回收是不分大小的骨頭只要是骨頭就把它當作台北市就把它當作這個堆毀廚餘那我們再看一下台東台東也不太一樣台東又把這個骨頭分為大骨頭小骨頭如果是屬於這個積壓壓的小骨頭當作一個不分生殖的廚餘來處理那如果是大骨頭的話\n\n04:03.065 --> 04:24.436\n是變成一個處理一般垃圾來處理意思就是說剛剛署長也提到根據這個每一個縣市的處理方式不同考量狹內清除處理的設施還有去化管道食物的需求會處理到不同的方式覺得這樣好嗎\n\n04:26.277 --> 04:43.827\n這樣的處理方式會不會對民眾造成一種我住在新北市我在台北市工作那我中午的處理垃圾模式就跟晚上我回到家處理垃圾模式不一樣這樣會不會造成困惑或困擾這部分不知道再過來有什麼好的方式沒有\n\n04:46.169 --> 05:04.261\n因為廚餘的後端處理,有些像剛才提到的粽葉或者是骨頭這個因為它後面有沒有粉碎的設備,或者是它粉碎的設備到什麼程度等等之類的,它各地會有不同的處理方式\n\n05:05.643 --> 05:19.742\n原則上在我們請到廚餘的時候各地的清潔隊如果發現這個分類不對會做交易那這種交易只要交一次民眾大概就可以接受了那當然還是會有因為像\n\n05:20.863 --> 05:37.073\n委員所提的就是說我第一次來我可能騎不到這個不過整體而言那個清潔隊是第一線他會跟民眾講什麼去做的確是有這個狀況不過我也會去追著垃圾車\n\n05:38.594 --> 05:55.387\n丟廚餘啦或是丟很多的垃圾我們很壓抑就是好像我們很努力的把它做好分類拿去把它撈起來好像它就就是你放到那個就跟我們期待的其實是不一樣的我是不太清楚大家的生活經驗如何\n\n05:56.047 --> 06:23.167\n我意思是說當我們很努力的想要配合各個縣市要做這些垃圾分類的時候往往到了現場到垃圾現場發現他放置的方式或者是位置跟我們期待不一樣我們就覺得這樣我們賺到錢要做這個處理垃圾的分類有意義嗎這個部分所以我們才提了一些想是不是透過方便民眾執行跟落實分類的方式來做調理\n\n06:23.587 --> 06:47.498\n那方便清潔隊員跟業者處理的處置模式來把這個垃圾的分類可以做得更好那當然也可以方便各級政府來做機關的宣傳那如果沒有辦法就好像剛剛署長所提到部長所提到的因為每一個縣市他處理垃圾的量能還有他的能力是不一樣的話那如果沒有辦法一步到位全國統一能不能做區域整合\n\n06:48.578 --> 07:15.734\n生活圈理論上我剛舉個例子我平常在基隆以前是白天在基隆上班那我回到台北市的時候那我的處理模式如果區域能夠整合到一個程度的話對於未來垃圾的處理會不會讓民眾可以更有好的配合模式那這部分不知道部裡面有沒有可以進行規劃或者是如何跟各縣市來做一些統合\n\n07:16.556 --> 07:26.764\n是下面報告我們那個廚藝的部分其實在110年有訂定一個廚藝的分類的指引這當然指引是一個\n\n07:29.093 --> 07:48.682\n後端有講究說各縣市可以依照它的實際的狀況再做細部的調整那區域的合作方面謝謝委員指導我們下去之後來跟各地方政府環保局來做一個協調談談看有沒有這個機會或者是大家如何去合作等這個部分我們來做\n\n07:49.582 --> 08:10.718\n好啊在麻煩部裡面書裡面這邊來加油那第二個部分就是有關這個移動噪音員的防治之前也有跟部長討論過我目前知道很多移動噪音其實很對於尤其在渡會區裡面對民眾的影響不管是在深夜啦或者是突然一個大的噪音造成的影響其實蠻大的\n\n08:12.219 --> 08:28.252\n那這邊所造成的這個車輛噪音稽查下來差不多是有佔了11.07%那這部分我們也知道在取締上有某一些的困難度所以上一次部長也提到說希望能夠針對於這個源頭做管理\n\n08:30.715 --> 08:46.449\n這邊有提了兩個部分就是除了這個設置聲音照相透過科技執法來取締噪音車以外那就是改裝排氣源的這個源頭管理那不知道目前執行狀況有沒有可以提供我們做參考的地方\n\n08:47.328 --> 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