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00:02:30,131\n副長你的想法本席其實是非常贊同就是說包括公部門花了太多時間在做研究資料可是實際的動作作為太少這個我覺得要改變這種思維啦就是盡可能的不要花太多時間在資料的\n\n8\n00:02:32,192 --> 00:02:57,117\n當然這部分也很重要,可是不能只做到這一部分就沒有其他的希望我們有關抗高溫對策聯盟可以實際運作的好也希望明年真的可以逐年的把它有一部分的措施出來我之前就有倡議過\n\n9\n00:02:59,659 --> 00:03:27,925\n有關社福身份家庭的節能家電的補助所以我也看到我們這個政策平台有關衛福部的部分就是提升弱勢族群的韌性我想要請教一下部長雖然這個是衛福部跟經濟部的主管業務那你負責平台我想要請問一下就是說\n\n10\n00:03:30,537 --> 00:03:41,974\n假如衛福部針對或者是我這樣子問好了就是部長覺得衛福部是不是應該要針對有社福\n\n11\n00:03:43,146 --> 00:04:07,637\n身份的家庭提供更多節能家電的喚醒補助報告委員其實這有幾個部分第一個是我們發現就是說委員你之前提醒我們的就是說有一些比較弱勢的族群他不可能去買節能家電因為他要花一筆錢那當然他就不想開冷氣或是他如果要開冷氣他其實就要花出更多的成本比我們來得多\n\n12\n00:04:08,677 --> 00:04:36,267\n所以基本上但是政府的預算又會又有限我不能夠呃例如說收入多少我就補助更多所以我們現在呢改變一個做法第一個是我們跟內政部合作去撈數據撈數據就是說到底幾個弱勢的或是獨居老人例如說我們現在針對獨居的老人為主先先他來做來試辦那如果找到這個老人之後那就衛福部幫我們去找到那個老人然後幫忙看能不能需要補助那這個補助呢就會從這個地方政府\n\n13\n00:04:36,647 --> 00:04:54,622\n因為地方政府有的補助的錢還蠻多的那有的是能源署那邊那他們呢就會對於例如說冷氣像有些地方政府可以補助一兩萬塊的可以換一台冷氣所以我們先由這種方式示範來處理但是這個最源頭還是要找到那個人啊所以要去算要找到人也要找到財源嘛對對對\n\n14\n00:04:56,944 --> 00:05:13,882\n不過這個就是逐步來做因為弱勢家庭的家電太換了除了有關抗高溫以外其實它也有老舊電器的風險所以這個希望部長能夠\n\n15\n00:05:16,545 --> 00:05:28,244\n落實這個平台跟跨部會我今天只是講到因為我之前就有講過社福家庭的家電補助所以就用這個跟部長做個探討\n\n16\n00:05:29,537 --> 00:05:49,794\n部長我在5月中旬環境部也發表了空氣品質白皮書當中有42項未來的行動方案要在未來10年裡面改善我國的空氣品質那我\n\n17\n00:05:51,922 --> 00:06:16,384\n白皮書裡面提到的議題之一就是重視兒少的呼吸權這個當然很重要精進校園周圍的空汙管理我想請問一下學童的呼吸率跟代謝機能跟成人都不同所以他們是更需要被保護的一群\n\n18\n00:06:17,489 --> 00:06:33,860\n那空品區呢就是一定的就是汽機車假如沒有經過一定的檢驗以後是不能進去的對不對在校園的500公尺以內怎麼管制啊\n\n19\n00:06:38,711 --> 00:06:51,223\n這個齁在那個有些縣市我不用講哪個縣市罰蠻多的例如說AutoBike沒有去電檢他就不能進去會開罰的那他們是用人力還是用那個車牌辨識車牌辨識對對對是\n\n20\n00:06:57,386 --> 00:07:18,783\n因為每一部車子它有沒有做過訂檢我知道那它是怎麼繞出來的就從放在學校的附近然後經過在某些時間經過的話那它就會抓到了然後那個地方環保局就會開罰所以它是活動式的類似固定式應該固定式一台幾十萬塊\n\n21\n00:07:20,285 --> 00:07:37,042\n一台幾十萬塊所以不是像交通部那種科技執法的機器這也算是一種科技執法對可是不是像警政署因為現在就是各都會\n\n22\n00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:54,196\n車流比較多的路口都會有科技執法那個很貴我還以為你們是用我們沒有用到那麼貴大概幾十萬因為我也擔心因為這個概念是很好的\n\n23\n00:07:54,836 --> 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主席請教彭部長部長時間有限姚委員好部長好部長在520前夕貴部有召開記者會就向國人報告環境部過去一年的成果那\n29747\t41592\t記者會的部分我來問一下,現在由環境部主導的抗高溫對策聯盟即將要成立你們要負責統合各部會的相關事務\n49015\t66233\t包括勞動部提出戶外工作的防護措施衛福部也提高提升弱勢族群的韌性經濟部則針對產業衝擊等等都有提供一些相關的資料給你們我請問一下這個對抗\n70290\t90993\t抗高溫對策聯盟實際上的運作模式以及政策目標到底是什麼因為我來自民間我看到我們政府面對那種極端天氣的調適我必須說很多的報告書但是真實的作為像國際的調適都要有一些資金有一些行動可是我們\n91894\t106661\t比較少那我們就這次用一個方式就是說我們實際上來操作假設高溫一個極端天氣像颱風一樣我們政府怎麼去面對我們從實際上的經驗找出來一個方式然後我們再把整個方式把它具體化\n107821\t126593\t這個其實也跨部會然後也結合了民間的產業還有各行各業一起來了解還有地方政府我們就希望說我們今年先來把一個高溫一個事件超過38度等等的當成一個颱風來應變之後我們再找出一些方案希望明年之後把它寫成一些規範然後就變成一個政策\n127878\t150131\t副長你的想法本席其實是非常贊同就是說包括公部門花了太多時間在做研究資料可是實際的動作作為太少這個我覺得要改變這種思維啦就是盡可能的不要花太多時間在資料的\n152192\t177117\t當然這部分也很重要,可是不能只做到這一部分就沒有其他的希望我們有關抗高溫對策聯盟可以實際運作的好也希望明年真的可以逐年的把它有一部分的措施出來我之前就有倡議過\n179659\t207925\t有關社福身份家庭的節能家電的補助所以我也看到我們這個政策平台有關衛福部的部分就是提升弱勢族群的韌性我想要請教一下部長雖然這個是衛福部跟經濟部的主管業務那你負責平台我想要請問一下就是說\n210537\t221974\t假如衛福部針對或者是我這樣子問好了就是部長覺得衛福部是不是應該要針對有社福\n223146\t247637\t身份的家庭提供更多節能家電的喚醒補助報告委員其實這有幾個部分第一個是我們發現就是說委員你之前提醒我們的就是說有一些比較弱勢的族群他不可能去買節能家電因為他要花一筆錢那當然他就不想開冷氣或是他如果要開冷氣他其實就要花出更多的成本比我們來得多\n248677\t276267\t所以基本上但是政府的預算又會又有限我不能夠呃例如說收入多少我就補助更多所以我們現在呢改變一個做法第一個是我們跟內政部合作去撈數據撈數據就是說到底幾個弱勢的或是獨居老人例如說我們現在針對獨居的老人為主先先他來做來試辦那如果找到這個老人之後那就衛福部幫我們去找到那個老人然後幫忙看能不能需要補助那這個補助呢就會從這個地方政府\n276647\t294622\t因為地方政府有的補助的錢還蠻多的那有的是能源署那邊那他們呢就會對於例如說冷氣像有些地方政府可以補助一兩萬塊的可以換一台冷氣所以我們先由這種方式示範來處理但是這個最源頭還是要找到那個人啊所以要去算要找到人也要找到財源嘛對對對\n296944\t313882\t不過這個就是逐步來做因為弱勢家庭的家電太換了除了有關抗高溫以外其實它也有老舊電器的風險所以這個希望部長能夠\n316545\t328244\t落實這個平台跟跨部會我今天只是講到因為我之前就有講過社福家庭的家電補助所以就用這個跟部長做個探討\n329537\t349794\t部長我在5月中旬環境部也發表了空氣品質白皮書當中有42項未來的行動方案要在未來10年裡面改善我國的空氣品質那我\n351922\t376384\t白皮書裡面提到的議題之一就是重視兒少的呼吸權這個當然很重要精進校園周圍的空汙管理我想請問一下學童的呼吸率跟代謝機能跟成人都不同所以他們是更需要被保護的一群\n377489\t393860\t那空品區呢就是一定的就是汽機車假如沒有經過一定的檢驗以後是不能進去的對不對在校園的500公尺以內怎麼管制啊\n398711\t411223\t這個齁在那個有些縣市我不用講哪個縣市罰蠻多的例如說AutoBike沒有去電檢他就不能進去會開罰的那他們是用人力還是用那個車牌辨識車牌辨識對對對是\n417386\t438783\t因為每一部車子它有沒有做過訂檢我知道那它是怎麼繞出來的就從放在學校的附近然後經過在某些時間經過的話那它就會抓到了然後那個地方環保局就會開罰所以它是活動式的類似固定式應該固定式一台幾十萬塊\n440285\t457042\t一台幾十萬塊所以不是像交通部那種科技執法的機器這也算是一種科技執法對 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主席請教彭部長部長時間有限姚委員好部長好部長在520前夕貴部有召開記者會就向國人報告環境部過去一年的成果那\n記者會的部分我來問一下,現在由環境部主導的抗高溫對策聯盟即將要成立你們要負責統合各部會的相關事務\n包括勞動部提出戶外工作的防護措施衛福部也提高提升弱勢族群的韌性經濟部則針對產業衝擊等等都有提供一些相關的資料給你們我請問一下這個對抗\n抗高溫對策聯盟實際上的運作模式以及政策目標到底是什麼因為我來自民間我看到我們政府面對那種極端天氣的調適我必須說很多的報告書但是真實的作為像國際的調適都要有一些資金有一些行動可是我們\n比較少那我們就這次用一個方式就是說我們實際上來操作假設高溫一個極端天氣像颱風一樣我們政府怎麼去面對我們從實際上的經驗找出來一個方式然後我們再把整個方式把它具體化\n這個其實也跨部會然後也結合了民間的產業還有各行各業一起來了解還有地方政府我們就希望說我們今年先來把一個高溫一個事件超過38度等等的當成一個颱風來應變之後我們再找出一些方案希望明年之後把它寫成一些規範然後就變成一個政策\n副長你的想法本席其實是非常贊同就是說包括公部門花了太多時間在做研究資料可是實際的動作作為太少這個我覺得要改變這種思維啦就是盡可能的不要花太多時間在資料的\n當然這部分也很重要,可是不能只做到這一部分就沒有其他的希望我們有關抗高溫對策聯盟可以實際運作的好也希望明年真的可以逐年的把它有一部分的措施出來我之前就有倡議過\n有關社福身份家庭的節能家電的補助所以我也看到我們這個政策平台有關衛福部的部分就是提升弱勢族群的韌性我想要請教一下部長雖然這個是衛福部跟經濟部的主管業務那你負責平台我想要請問一下就是說\n假如衛福部針對或者是我這樣子問好了就是部長覺得衛福部是不是應該要針對有社福\n身份的家庭提供更多節能家電的喚醒補助報告委員其實這有幾個部分第一個是我們發現就是說委員你之前提醒我們的就是說有一些比較弱勢的族群他不可能去買節能家電因為他要花一筆錢那當然他就不想開冷氣或是他如果要開冷氣他其實就要花出更多的成本比我們來得多\n所以基本上但是政府的預算又會又有限我不能夠呃例如說收入多少我就補助更多所以我們現在呢改變一個做法第一個是我們跟內政部合作去撈數據撈數據就是說到底幾個弱勢的或是獨居老人例如說我們現在針對獨居的老人為主先先他來做來試辦那如果找到這個老人之後那就衛福部幫我們去找到那個老人然後幫忙看能不能需要補助那這個補助呢就會從這個地方政府\n因為地方政府有的補助的錢還蠻多的那有的是能源署那邊那他們呢就會對於例如說冷氣像有些地方政府可以補助一兩萬塊的可以換一台冷氣所以我們先由這種方式示範來處理但是這個最源頭還是要找到那個人啊所以要去算要找到人也要找到財源嘛對對對\n不過這個就是逐步來做因為弱勢家庭的家電太換了除了有關抗高溫以外其實它也有老舊電器的風險所以這個希望部長能夠\n落實這個平台跟跨部會我今天只是講到因為我之前就有講過社福家庭的家電補助所以就用這個跟部長做個探討\n部長我在5月中旬環境部也發表了空氣品質白皮書當中有42項未來的行動方案要在未來10年裡面改善我國的空氣品質那我\n白皮書裡面提到的議題之一就是重視兒少的呼吸權這個當然很重要精進校園周圍的空汙管理我想請問一下學童的呼吸率跟代謝機能跟成人都不同所以他們是更需要被保護的一群\n那空品區呢就是一定的就是汽機車假如沒有經過一定的檢驗以後是不能進去的對不對在校園的500公尺以內怎麼管制啊\n這個齁在那個有些縣市我不用講哪個縣市罰蠻多的例如說AutoBike沒有去電檢他就不能進去會開罰的那他們是用人力還是用那個車牌辨識車牌辨識對對對是\n因為每一部車子它有沒有做過訂檢我知道那它是怎麼繞出來的就從放在學校的附近然後經過在某些時間經過的話那它就會抓到了然後那個地方環保局就會開罰所以它是活動式的類似固定式應該固定式一台幾十萬塊\n一台幾十萬塊所以不是像交通部那種科技執法的機器這也算是一種科技執法對 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