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00:01:41,326\n存款比重增加是不是因為大多數金融商品投資不確定性的風險提高已成定數所以說這些大戶寧可把錢放在銀行不去投資你的看法呢是柯文報告我想就是我們剛才委員提到這個從川普提出這個對等關稅政策全球的資本市場都出現一個波動不過\n\n5\n00:01:42,386 --> 00:02:10,327\n我們剛才講若以現在的狀況全球主要的股市大概都已經回到原來的水準甚至已經已經比原來還更高那至於說高資產客戶的理財行為這確實需要再做深入的分析不過剛委員指證的就是說他的那個所謂的現金部位或是資金部位是不是有顯著因為這樣提高我們看到數據就我們知道並沒有說太大的這樣一個差異當然是剛委員提到說有比較高本來他們的\n\n6\n00:02:11,428 --> 00:02:33,468\n他們的理財行為就跟一般的我們是不太一樣所以這部分大概很難就說因為這個微幅的增幅就說是因為這件事情有一個連動的關係主委我請教又或者還是有哪些屬於低風險的這些金融產品能可以作為投資的參考標的依您看\n\n7\n00:02:34,309 --> 00:02:56,919\n其實很多人也想知道這個答案我想說我們說有一句話就是投資都有風險我們要審慎的評估跟投資因為從很簡單的學理裡面風險跟報酬是相對應的風險低當然是報酬低那當然大部分都希望追求高的報酬就要忍受比較多的波動\n\n8\n00:02:57,739 --> 00:03:17,698\n我想但是尤其最近這段時間全球的很多過去我們可能認為相對比較穩定的投資工具呢也面對到一些波動這也是讓我們所有的投資人要注意風險主委這個財政部半個月前公布四月證券交易稅這個真的178億元這個\n\n9\n00:03:23,362 --> 00:03:23,983\n年減幅高達31%3月4月連續兩個月互成長\n\n10\n00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:47,586\n這個台股交易動人顯著的降溫顯示投資人的信心明顯有受挫但是本席觀察台股4月9日是17306點的低點到解除限空令到這個5月26日的大盤指數21536這個\n\n11\n00:04:02,454 --> 00:04:16,822\nAE536點卻也反彈了4000多點那我請問主委你認為這一個推來的大盤反彈是台股完全回歸基本面還是台股超跌的技術面的一個反應因您看勒\n\n12\n00:04:19,524 --> 00:04:44,000\n剛剛確實我們也觀察到今年上半年我們台股的成交量因為去年大概是台股成交量最暢旺的一段時間我們也看到大概平均的日均量大概減少了大概15%左右我想這個數值大概都很清楚因為當然主要是我們從今年上半年包括大家所知道的這些國際經濟形勢的變動那當然是有影響\n\n13\n00:04:47,623 --> 00:05:04,083\n剛剛提到就是說我們假設以這個對等關稅來看的話這個這個這個事件確實陳如文講說我們從這個兩萬一千多點然後到一萬七千三對來到了一萬七千多點的低點然後現在又回到了原點甚至高一點\n\n14\n00:05:05,404 --> 00:05:31,389\n我想說其實我們在很多場合都提到台灣在過去在我們的經濟的表現包括我們截至四月我們所有的上市櫃公司它其實營收這些表現大概都有差不多15%以上的比去年同期還高當然有人說這是因為提前拉貨的原因但是台灣在經濟上相對我們亞洲其他國家基本面這是無庸置疑的我想這個\n\n15\n00:05:32,449 --> 00:05:53,937\n股市呢如果回歸市場機制自然就會反映到我們真實的狀況因為不管怎麼樣消息面最後還是回到基本面這樣齁那個主委因為一個多月內的台股大盤指數以及啊台股成交量的統計金管會上個禮拜五宣布說解除限控令那我請問主委你認為\n\n16\n00:05:55,738 --> 00:06:09,935\n台股面對關稅戰的壓力測試是不是已經過關所以說軍管會才會決定解除限工令其實我想未來的事情大家都很難預料我們要戒慎恐懼\n\n17\n00:06:10,996 --> 00:06:38,982\n那我們所謂的過去是因應在4月7號那個措施主要是我想當時大家回想4月7號因為我們放廉價的關係市場充滿了不理性的預期心理所以這時候呢我們進行市場上面的一個所謂的市場上做一些措施穩定這個所謂的非理性的行為的可能確實也發揮了效用我們有一句話說手伸久了會痠我們必須適度的收回來才有下一次\n\n18\n00:06:39,662 --> 00:06:54,398\n出手的這個力道我想未來充滿了不確定性這個我們金管會這個措施是隨時保持高度的激動隨時應應各種的狀況我覺得我們可以透過更彈性的方式但是我們先\n\n19\n00:06:55,479 --> 00:07:20,221\n市場回歸市場機制還是最重要的因為有股民擔憂儘管會雨天收傘恐量變盤那你認為有沒有可能這個股市空荒大均捲土重來來催化整個端午變盤會不會我想如果從長期的觀點如果說從當天來看當然大家就會有這樣的一個想法\n\n20\n00:07:20,982 --> 00:07:48,164\n我想其實台灣的市場我跟你講就是最近幾年尤其最近十年我們台灣的資本市場已經逐步的成長茁壯已經快要排名是在全世界接近前十名的資本市場我想台灣有具有一定的韌性而且國際上面也有高度的肯定我們這次的一些的在資本市場的一些作為這是個長期性的而不是只看一個端午節或是看一個\n\n21\n00:07:49,645 --> 00:08:08,726\n那個簡單的漲跌來看待這個制度好那個主委我再請教因為這個關心大盤之餘本系列注意到有三家上市櫃公司因被如期公告2024年第一季的財報遭主管機關\n\n22\n00:08:09,947 --> 00:08:27,307\n列入觀察名單目前都已經是停止交易的這種狀態那我請問主委這幾家公司在為如期繳交財報前是不是已經出現有別於正常上市櫃公司的交易異狀\n\n23\n00:08:29,106 --> 00:08:52,142\n這個其實我們現在的上市櫃公司家數已經接近兩千家市場有進有退這個大概都是一個非常正常的現象我們的上市櫃交易所跟櫃買中心針對這些異常的現象都有嚴密的監控剛才委員所提到那幾家公司有些每家情況不一樣有些是因為經營權的增值有些是因為財務的問題\n\n24\n00:08:53,303 --> 00:09:15,423\n我想這些我們在現有的機制上都按照我們的機制在運作跟管控中如果有是不是金管會證交所會在停止交易處分前採取哪些處置或措施如果沒有的話那麼投資民眾這又該怎麼樣來避免踩雷啊你的看法呢\n\n25\n00:09:15,663 --> 00:09:35,576\n當然就是我們所有的投資大概都會有風險但是以台灣的資本市場規模跟現在我們那個發生這些加速還有這些的內容來看我覺得台灣的資本市場相對是穩健不過我們還是要提醒所有的投資人其實我們所有上市櫃公司定期都有做財務的揭露還有一些訊息如果重大影響到\n\n26\n00:09:36,817 --> 00:09:55,368\n這個所謂的這個股東權益跟影響到公司的話都要做重大資訊的揭露我們也提醒說所有投資人要注意資訊的這樣的觀察還有就是風險這樣齁那個主委因為三家之中的一家是老牌食品大廠啊胡冒有指\n\n27\n00:09:55,928 --> 00:10:05,735\n那近年營運狀況大致上是穩定過去8年也都發放過超過1元的現金鼓勵但是從108年以來開始經營權主委就是經營權的爭奪戰創辦家家族與市場派這個代表之間的鬥爭\n\n28\n00:10:18,664 --> 00:10:44,556\n成為最後公司沒有辦法如期繳交財報的關鍵因素那主委近幾年上市櫃公司經營權之爭頻傳那幾年前的大同公司的經營權之爭更如連續聚班的熱度那我請問主委上市櫃公司出現經營權之爭有沒有分良性與惡性之別有沒有\n\n29\n00:10:45,390 --> 00:11:00,893\n我想經營權之爭是我們市場上面的稱呼啦其實上就是一個比如說我們在對於董監的選舉那我想我們都有一套的這個相關的遊戲規則那其實我們就按照這個法律來走\n\n30\n00:11:02,294 --> 00:11:24,141\n對違規的我們就會來處理然後大家都是守法的話我們就按照這套制度來進行那金管會跟證交所對上市櫃經營權之爭出現白熱化目前可以所採取的處置和措施有哪些金管會或證交所採取的處置措施是不是有更明確的訊號\n\n31\n00:11:26,182 --> 00:11:48,911\n讓公司的小兒的投資人或股東能夠清楚的判斷以避免手中股票變成壁紙你的看法呢這一點我想我剛剛跟委員報告過了所有的這些都要依照現行的法規來進行如果違法我們一定是嚴格處置那如果說是合規的行為我們就尊重市場\n\n32\n00:11:50,024 --> 00:12:13,482\n對啦那你要是沒好好的處置這些小股東們到時候會不會傻傻的坐以待斃啊會不會就變成這個樣子當然就是我們剛才就像我們今天審議的這些條文裡面我們有針對這違規行為投資人保護的部分我們就會啟動這套機制像比如說這些有問題的我們投保中心都會參與會議這個就是其中一個機制啊\n\n33\n00:12:14,045 --> 00:12:31,316\n最後一題,這幾天新台幣升值又升破30元,重返29.59元因為金融行業中的受險公司多將龐大的保惠收入投資在美元計價的海外債券與股票\n\n34\n00:12:33,735 --> 00:12:59,533\n來賺取較高的收益所以說新台幣升值時這些海外投資帳面價值縮水未充分避險將產生可觀的匯兌損失那請問主委推行外匯準備金的心智你認為對保險業經營上有哪些優點和缺點我想所謂外價準備金跟我們的傳統用工具避險\n\n35\n00:13:00,553 --> 00:13:18,206\n這是兩種不同一種是利用所謂的風險管理上面的風險移轉一個就是我們所謂自我保險這兩個都是風險管理的方法我想這個都是可行我們是建議公司基於他的專業來做這樣一個審慎的運用換句話說受險業避險後有賄損可使用外匯準備金金額抵押再沖抵\n\n36\n00:13:27,173 --> 00:13:45,060\n但如果有匯兌利益也必須有百分之百的提存是不是對保險業整個獲利與未來展望也會有一些負面的影響其實剛委員也有提到這是帳面價值的縮水\n\n37\n00:13:45,800 --> 00:14:10,218\n剛才講說所謂的提存外價金就是它的未實現的收益它把它提存起來主要是要面對以後的未實現損失其實這樣都是未實現的跟我們很多人理解的損失叫做虧錢其實都是帳面上的所以這也是為什麼受險運的特性所以我們透過這套機制呢讓保險公司有兩種工具可以來選擇這樣喔是的好謝謝好謝謝德虎接著請吳秉瑞委員質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n15520\t26759\t謝謝主委 謝謝主席還有我們彭主委與會各列席冠軍是不是請彭主委 金管會彭主委請金管會彭主委\n29790\t44879\t委員長安 主委早我請教因為金管會公布四月高資產管理高資產理財統計媒體報導由於川普對等關稅造成全球的股災\n47180\t71285\t衝擊投資人的信心因此在高資產大戶的資產值存款比重來到46.2%比起商業多多出了0.7個百分點是去年11月以來的最高紀錄那我請問主委高資產大戶\n74918\t101326\t存款比重增加是不是因為大多數金融商品投資不確定性的風險提高已成定數所以說這些大戶寧可把錢放在銀行不去投資你的看法呢是 柯文報告我想就是我們剛才委員提到這個從川普提出這個對等關稅政策全球的資本市場都出現一個波動不過\n102386\t130327\t我們剛才講若以現在的狀況全球主要的股市大概都已經回到原來的水準甚至已經已經比原來還更高那至於說高資產客戶的理財行為這確實需要再做深入的分析不過剛委員指證的就是說他的那個所謂的現金部位或是資金部位是不是有顯著因為這樣提高我們看到數據就我們知道並沒有說太大的這樣一個差異當然是剛委員提到說有比較高本來他們的\n131428\t153468\t他們的理財行為就跟一般的我們是不太一樣所以這部分大概很難就說因為這個微幅的增幅就說是因為這件事情有一個連動的關係主委我請教又或者還是有哪些屬於低風險的這些金融產品能可以作為投資的參考標的依您看\n154309\t176919\t其實很多人也想知道這個答案我想說我們說有一句話就是投資都有風險我們要審慎的評估跟投資因為從很簡單的學理裡面風險跟報酬是相對應的風險低當然是報酬低那當然大部分都希望追求高的報酬就要忍受比較多的波動\n177739\t197698\t我想但是尤其最近這段時間全球的很多過去我們可能認為相對比較穩定的投資工具呢也面對到一些波動這也是讓我們所有的投資人要注意風險主委這個財政部半個月前公布四月證券交易稅這個真的178億元這個\n203362\t203983\t年減幅高達31%3月4月連續兩個月互成長\n212319\t227586\t這個台股交易動人顯著的降溫顯示投資人的信心明顯有受挫但是本席觀察台股4月9日是17306點的低點到解除限空令到這個5月26日的大盤指數21536這個\n242454\t256822\tAE536點卻也反彈了4000多點那我請問主委你認為這一個推來的大盤反彈是台股完全回歸基本面還是台股超跌的技術面的一個反應 因您看勒\n259524\t284000\t剛剛確實我們也觀察到今年上半年我們台股的成交量因為去年大概是台股成交量最暢旺的一段時間我們也看到大概平均的日均量大概減少了大概15%左右我想這個數值大概都很清楚因為當然主要是我們從今年上半年包括大家所知道的這些國際經濟形勢的變動那當然是有影響\n287623\t304083\t剛剛提到就是說我們假設以這個對等關稅來看的話這個這個這個事件確實陳如文講說我們從這個兩萬一千多點然後到一萬七千三對來到了一萬七千多點的低點然後現在又回到了原點甚至高一點\n305404\t331389\t我想說其實我們在很多場合都提到台灣在過去在我們的經濟的表現包括我們截至四月我們所有的上市櫃公司它其實營收這些表現大概都有差不多15%以上的比去年同期還高當然有人說這是因為提前拉貨的原因但是台灣在經濟上相對我們亞洲其他國家基本面這是無庸置疑的我想這個\n332449\t353937\t股市呢如果回歸市場機制自然就會反映到我們真實的狀況因為不管怎麼樣消息面最後還是回到基本面這樣齁 那個主委因為一個多月內的台股大盤指數以及啊台股成交量的統計金管會上個禮拜五宣布說解除限控令那我請問主委你認為\n355738\t369935\t台股面對關稅戰的壓力測試是不是已經過關所以說軍管會才會決定解除限工令其實我想未來的事情大家都很難預料我們要戒慎恐懼\n370996\t398982\t那我們所謂的過去是因應在4月7號那個措施主要是我想當時大家回想4月7號因為我們放廉價的關係市場充滿了不理性的預期心理所以這時候呢我們進行市場上面的一個所謂的市場上做一些措施穩定這個所謂的非理性的行為的可能確實也發揮了效用我們有一句話說手伸久了會痠我們必須適度的收回來才有下一次\n399662\t414398\t出手的這個力道我想未來充滿了不確定性這個我們金管會這個措施是隨時保持高度的激動隨時應應各種的狀況我覺得我們可以透過更彈性的方式但是我們先\n415479\t440221\t市場回歸市場機制還是最重要的因為有股民擔憂儘管會雨天收傘恐量變盤那你認為有沒有可能這個股市空荒大均捲土重來來催化整個端午變盤會不會我想如果從長期的觀點如果說從當天來看當然大家就會有這樣的一個想法\n440982\t468164\t我想其實台灣的市場我跟你講就是最近幾年尤其最近十年我們台灣的資本市場已經逐步的成長茁壯已經快要排名是在全世界接近前十名的資本市場我想台灣有具有一定的韌性而且國際上面也有高度的肯定我們這次的一些的在資本市場的一些作為這是個長期性的而不是只看一個端午節或是看一個\n469645\t488726\t那個簡單的漲跌來看待這個制度好 那個主委我再請教因為這個關心大盤之餘本系列注意到有三家上市櫃公司因被如期公告2024年第一季的財報遭主管機關\n489947\t507307\t列入觀察名單目前都已經是停止交易的這種狀態那我請問主委這幾家公司在為如期繳交財報前是不是已經出現有別於正常上市櫃公司的交易異狀\n509106\t532142\t這個其實我們現在的上市櫃公司家數已經接近兩千家市場有進有退這個大概都是一個非常正常的現象我們的上市櫃交易所跟櫃買中心針對這些異常的現象都有嚴密的監控剛才委員所提到那幾家公司有些每家情況不一樣有些是因為經營權的增值有些是因為財務的問題\n533303\t555423\t我想這些我們在現有的機制上都按照我們的機制在運作跟管控中如果有 是不是金管會證交所會在停止交易處分前採取哪些處置或措施如果沒有的話 那麼投資民眾這又該怎麼樣來避免踩雷啊 你的看法呢\n555663\t575576\t當然就是我們所有的投資大概都會有風險但是以台灣的資本市場規模跟現在我們那個發生這些加速還有這些的內容來看我覺得台灣的資本市場相對是穩健不過我們還是要提醒所有的投資人其實我們所有上市櫃公司定期都有做財務的揭露還有一些訊息如果重大影響到\n576817\t595368\t這個所謂的這個股東權益跟影響到公司的話都要做重大資訊的揭露我們也提醒說所有投資人要注意資訊的這樣的觀察還有就是風險這樣齁那個主委因為三家之中的一家是老牌食品大廠啊胡冒有指\n595928\t605735\t那近年營運狀況大致上是穩定過去8年也都發放過超過1元的現金鼓勵但是從108年以來開始經營權主委就是經營權的爭奪戰創辦家家族與市場派這個代表之間的鬥爭\n618664\t644556\t成為最後公司沒有辦法如期繳交財報的關鍵因素那主委近幾年上市櫃公司經營權之爭頻傳那幾年前的大同公司的經營權之爭更如連續聚班的熱度那我請問主委上市櫃公司出現經營權之爭有沒有分良性與惡性之別 有沒有\n645390\t660893\t我想經營權之爭是我們市場上面的稱呼啦其實上就是一個比如說我們在對於董監的選舉那我想我們都有一套的這個相關的遊戲規則那其實我們就按照這個法律來走\n662294\t684141\t對 違規的我們就會來處理然後大家都是守法的話我們就按照這套制度來進行那金管會跟證交所對上市櫃經營權之爭出現白熱化目前可以所採取的處置和措施有哪些金管會或證交所採取的處置措施是不是有更明確的訊號\n686182\t708911\t讓公司的小兒的投資人或股東能夠清楚的判斷以避免手中股票變成壁紙你的看法呢這一點我想我剛剛跟委員報告過了所有的這些都要依照現行的法規來進行如果違法我們一定是嚴格處置那如果說是合規的行為我們就尊重市場\n710024\t733482\t對啦 那你要是沒好好的處置這些小股東們到時候會不會傻傻的坐以待斃啊 會不會就變成這個樣子當然就是我們剛才 就像我們今天審議的這些條文裡面我們有針對這違規行為投資人保護的部分我們就會啟動這套機制 像比如說這些有問題的我們投保中心都會參與會議這個就是其中一個機制啊\n734045\t751316\t最後一題,這幾天新台幣升值又升破30元,重返29.59元因為金融行業中的受險公司多將龐大的保惠收入投資在美元計價的海外債券與股票\n753735\t779533\t來賺取較高的收益所以說新台幣升值時這些海外投資帳面價值縮水未充分避險將產生可觀的匯兌損失那請問主委推行外匯準備金的心智你認為對保險業經營上有哪些優點和缺點我想所謂外價準備金跟我們的傳統用工具避險\n780553\t798206\t這是兩種不同一種是利用所謂的風險管理上面的風險移轉一個就是我們所謂自我保險這兩個都是風險管理的方法我想這個都是可行我們是建議公司基於他的專業來做這樣一個審慎的運用換句話說受險業避險後有賄損可使用外匯準備金金額抵押再沖抵\n807173\t825060\t但如果有匯兌利益也必須有百分之百的提存是不是對保險業整個獲利與未來展望也會有一些負面的影響其實剛委員也有提到這是帳面價值的縮水\n825800\t850218\t剛才講說所謂的提存外價金就是它的未實現的收益它把它提存起來主要是要面對以後的未實現損失其實這樣都是未實現的跟我們很多人理解的損失叫做虧錢其實都是帳面上的所以這也是為什麼受險運的特性所以我們透過這套機制呢讓保險公司有兩種工具可以來選擇這樣喔是的好 謝謝好 謝謝德虎接著請吳秉瑞委員質詢\n","txt":"謝謝主委 謝謝主席還有我們彭主委與會各列席冠軍是不是請彭主委 金管會彭主委請金管會彭主委\n委員長安 主委早我請教因為金管會公布四月高資產管理高資產理財統計媒體報導由於川普對等關稅造成全球的股災\n衝擊投資人的信心因此在高資產大戶的資產值存款比重來到46.2%比起商業多多出了0.7個百分點是去年11月以來的最高紀錄那我請問主委高資產大戶\n存款比重增加是不是因為大多數金融商品投資不確定性的風險提高已成定數所以說這些大戶寧可把錢放在銀行不去投資你的看法呢是 柯文報告我想就是我們剛才委員提到這個從川普提出這個對等關稅政策全球的資本市場都出現一個波動不過\n我們剛才講若以現在的狀況全球主要的股市大概都已經回到原來的水準甚至已經已經比原來還更高那至於說高資產客戶的理財行為這確實需要再做深入的分析不過剛委員指證的就是說他的那個所謂的現金部位或是資金部位是不是有顯著因為這樣提高我們看到數據就我們知道並沒有說太大的這樣一個差異當然是剛委員提到說有比較高本來他們的\n他們的理財行為就跟一般的我們是不太一樣所以這部分大概很難就說因為這個微幅的增幅就說是因為這件事情有一個連動的關係主委我請教又或者還是有哪些屬於低風險的這些金融產品能可以作為投資的參考標的依您看\n其實很多人也想知道這個答案我想說我們說有一句話就是投資都有風險我們要審慎的評估跟投資因為從很簡單的學理裡面風險跟報酬是相對應的風險低當然是報酬低那當然大部分都希望追求高的報酬就要忍受比較多的波動\n我想但是尤其最近這段時間全球的很多過去我們可能認為相對比較穩定的投資工具呢也面對到一些波動這也是讓我們所有的投資人要注意風險主委這個財政部半個月前公布四月證券交易稅這個真的178億元這個\n年減幅高達31%3月4月連續兩個月互成長\n這個台股交易動人顯著的降溫顯示投資人的信心明顯有受挫但是本席觀察台股4月9日是17306點的低點到解除限空令到這個5月26日的大盤指數21536這個\nAE536點卻也反彈了4000多點那我請問主委你認為這一個推來的大盤反彈是台股完全回歸基本面還是台股超跌的技術面的一個反應 因您看勒\n剛剛確實我們也觀察到今年上半年我們台股的成交量因為去年大概是台股成交量最暢旺的一段時間我們也看到大概平均的日均量大概減少了大概15%左右我想這個數值大概都很清楚因為當然主要是我們從今年上半年包括大家所知道的這些國際經濟形勢的變動那當然是有影響\n剛剛提到就是說我們假設以這個對等關稅來看的話這個這個這個事件確實陳如文講說我們從這個兩萬一千多點然後到一萬七千三對來到了一萬七千多點的低點然後現在又回到了原點甚至高一點\n我想說其實我們在很多場合都提到台灣在過去在我們的經濟的表現包括我們截至四月我們所有的上市櫃公司它其實營收這些表現大概都有差不多15%以上的比去年同期還高當然有人說這是因為提前拉貨的原因但是台灣在經濟上相對我們亞洲其他國家基本面這是無庸置疑的我想這個\n股市呢如果回歸市場機制自然就會反映到我們真實的狀況因為不管怎麼樣消息面最後還是回到基本面這樣齁 那個主委因為一個多月內的台股大盤指數以及啊台股成交量的統計金管會上個禮拜五宣布說解除限控令那我請問主委你認為\n台股面對關稅戰的壓力測試是不是已經過關所以說軍管會才會決定解除限工令其實我想未來的事情大家都很難預料我們要戒慎恐懼\n那我們所謂的過去是因應在4月7號那個措施主要是我想當時大家回想4月7號因為我們放廉價的關係市場充滿了不理性的預期心理所以這時候呢我們進行市場上面的一個所謂的市場上做一些措施穩定這個所謂的非理性的行為的可能確實也發揮了效用我們有一句話說手伸久了會痠我們必須適度的收回來才有下一次\n出手的這個力道我想未來充滿了不確定性這個我們金管會這個措施是隨時保持高度的激動隨時應應各種的狀況我覺得我們可以透過更彈性的方式但是我們先\n市場回歸市場機制還是最重要的因為有股民擔憂儘管會雨天收傘恐量變盤那你認為有沒有可能這個股市空荒大均捲土重來來催化整個端午變盤會不會我想如果從長期的觀點如果說從當天來看當然大家就會有這樣的一個想法\n我想其實台灣的市場我跟你講就是最近幾年尤其最近十年我們台灣的資本市場已經逐步的成長茁壯已經快要排名是在全世界接近前十名的資本市場我想台灣有具有一定的韌性而且國際上面也有高度的肯定我們這次的一些的在資本市場的一些作為這是個長期性的而不是只看一個端午節或是看一個\n那個簡單的漲跌來看待這個制度好 那個主委我再請教因為這個關心大盤之餘本系列注意到有三家上市櫃公司因被如期公告2024年第一季的財報遭主管機關\n列入觀察名單目前都已經是停止交易的這種狀態那我請問主委這幾家公司在為如期繳交財報前是不是已經出現有別於正常上市櫃公司的交易異狀\n這個其實我們現在的上市櫃公司家數已經接近兩千家市場有進有退這個大概都是一個非常正常的現象我們的上市櫃交易所跟櫃買中心針對這些異常的現象都有嚴密的監控剛才委員所提到那幾家公司有些每家情況不一樣有些是因為經營權的增值有些是因為財務的問題\n我想這些我們在現有的機制上都按照我們的機制在運作跟管控中如果有 是不是金管會證交所會在停止交易處分前採取哪些處置或措施如果沒有的話 那麼投資民眾這又該怎麼樣來避免踩雷啊 你的看法呢\n當然就是我們所有的投資大概都會有風險但是以台灣的資本市場規模跟現在我們那個發生這些加速還有這些的內容來看我覺得台灣的資本市場相對是穩健不過我們還是要提醒所有的投資人其實我們所有上市櫃公司定期都有做財務的揭露還有一些訊息如果重大影響到\n這個所謂的這個股東權益跟影響到公司的話都要做重大資訊的揭露我們也提醒說所有投資人要注意資訊的這樣的觀察還有就是風險這樣齁那個主委因為三家之中的一家是老牌食品大廠啊胡冒有指\n那近年營運狀況大致上是穩定過去8年也都發放過超過1元的現金鼓勵但是從108年以來開始經營權主委就是經營權的爭奪戰創辦家家族與市場派這個代表之間的鬥爭\n成為最後公司沒有辦法如期繳交財報的關鍵因素那主委近幾年上市櫃公司經營權之爭頻傳那幾年前的大同公司的經營權之爭更如連續聚班的熱度那我請問主委上市櫃公司出現經營權之爭有沒有分良性與惡性之別 有沒有\n我想經營權之爭是我們市場上面的稱呼啦其實上就是一個比如說我們在對於董監的選舉那我想我們都有一套的這個相關的遊戲規則那其實我們就按照這個法律來走\n對 違規的我們就會來處理然後大家都是守法的話我們就按照這套制度來進行那金管會跟證交所對上市櫃經營權之爭出現白熱化目前可以所採取的處置和措施有哪些金管會或證交所採取的處置措施是不是有更明確的訊號\n讓公司的小兒的投資人或股東能夠清楚的判斷以避免手中股票變成壁紙你的看法呢這一點我想我剛剛跟委員報告過了所有的這些都要依照現行的法規來進行如果違法我們一定是嚴格處置那如果說是合規的行為我們就尊重市場\n對啦 那你要是沒好好的處置這些小股東們到時候會不會傻傻的坐以待斃啊 會不會就變成這個樣子當然就是我們剛才 就像我們今天審議的這些條文裡面我們有針對這違規行為投資人保護的部分我們就會啟動這套機制 像比如說這些有問題的我們投保中心都會參與會議這個就是其中一個機制啊\n最後一題,這幾天新台幣升值又升破30元,重返29.59元因為金融行業中的受險公司多將龐大的保惠收入投資在美元計價的海外債券與股票\n來賺取較高的收益所以說新台幣升值時這些海外投資帳面價值縮水未充分避險將產生可觀的匯兌損失那請問主委推行外匯準備金的心智你認為對保險業經營上有哪些優點和缺點我想所謂外價準備金跟我們的傳統用工具避險\n這是兩種不同一種是利用所謂的風險管理上面的風險移轉一個就是我們所謂自我保險這兩個都是風險管理的方法我想這個都是可行我們是建議公司基於他的專業來做這樣一個審慎的運用換句話說受險業避險後有賄損可使用外匯準備金金額抵押再沖抵\n但如果有匯兌利益也必須有百分之百的提存是不是對保險業整個獲利與未來展望也會有一些負面的影響其實剛委員也有提到這是帳面價值的縮水\n剛才講說所謂的提存外價金就是它的未實現的收益它把它提存起來主要是要面對以後的未實現損失其實這樣都是未實現的跟我們很多人理解的損失叫做虧錢其實都是帳面上的所以這也是為什麼受險運的特性所以我們透過這套機制呢讓保險公司有兩種工具可以來選擇這樣喔是的好 謝謝好 謝謝德虎接著請吳秉瑞委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:15.520 --> 00:26.759\n謝謝主委謝謝主席還有我們彭主委與會各列席冠軍是不是請彭主委金管會彭主委請金管會彭主委\n\n00:29.790 --> 00:44.879\n委員長安主委早我請教因為金管會公布四月高資產管理高資產理財統計媒體報導由於川普對等關稅造成全球的股災\n\n00:47.180 --> 01:11.285\n衝擊投資人的信心因此在高資產大戶的資產值存款比重來到46.2%比起商業多多出了0.7個百分點是去年11月以來的最高紀錄那我請問主委高資產大戶\n\n01:14.918 --> 01:41.326\n存款比重增加是不是因為大多數金融商品投資不確定性的風險提高已成定數所以說這些大戶寧可把錢放在銀行不去投資你的看法呢是柯文報告我想就是我們剛才委員提到這個從川普提出這個對等關稅政策全球的資本市場都出現一個波動不過\n\n01:42.386 --> 02:10.327\n我們剛才講若以現在的狀況全球主要的股市大概都已經回到原來的水準甚至已經已經比原來還更高那至於說高資產客戶的理財行為這確實需要再做深入的分析不過剛委員指證的就是說他的那個所謂的現金部位或是資金部位是不是有顯著因為這樣提高我們看到數據就我們知道並沒有說太大的這樣一個差異當然是剛委員提到說有比較高本來他們的\n\n02:11.428 --> 02:33.468\n他們的理財行為就跟一般的我們是不太一樣所以這部分大概很難就說因為這個微幅的增幅就說是因為這件事情有一個連動的關係主委我請教又或者還是有哪些屬於低風險的這些金融產品能可以作為投資的參考標的依您看\n\n02:34.309 --> 02:56.919\n其實很多人也想知道這個答案我想說我們說有一句話就是投資都有風險我們要審慎的評估跟投資因為從很簡單的學理裡面風險跟報酬是相對應的風險低當然是報酬低那當然大部分都希望追求高的報酬就要忍受比較多的波動\n\n02:57.739 --> 03:17.698\n我想但是尤其最近這段時間全球的很多過去我們可能認為相對比較穩定的投資工具呢也面對到一些波動這也是讓我們所有的投資人要注意風險主委這個財政部半個月前公布四月證券交易稅這個真的178億元這個\n\n03:23.362 --> 03:23.983\n年減幅高達31%3月4月連續兩個月互成長\n\n03:32.319 --> 03:47.586\n這個台股交易動人顯著的降溫顯示投資人的信心明顯有受挫但是本席觀察台股4月9日是17306點的低點到解除限空令到這個5月26日的大盤指數21536這個\n\n04:02.454 --> 04:16.822\nAE536點卻也反彈了4000多點那我請問主委你認為這一個推來的大盤反彈是台股完全回歸基本面還是台股超跌的技術面的一個反應因您看勒\n\n04:19.524 --> 04:44.000\n剛剛確實我們也觀察到今年上半年我們台股的成交量因為去年大概是台股成交量最暢旺的一段時間我們也看到大概平均的日均量大概減少了大概15%左右我想這個數值大概都很清楚因為當然主要是我們從今年上半年包括大家所知道的這些國際經濟形勢的變動那當然是有影響\n\n04:47.623 --> 05:04.083\n剛剛提到就是說我們假設以這個對等關稅來看的話這個這個這個事件確實陳如文講說我們從這個兩萬一千多點然後到一萬七千三對來到了一萬七千多點的低點然後現在又回到了原點甚至高一點\n\n05:05.404 --> 05:31.389\n我想說其實我們在很多場合都提到台灣在過去在我們的經濟的表現包括我們截至四月我們所有的上市櫃公司它其實營收這些表現大概都有差不多15%以上的比去年同期還高當然有人說這是因為提前拉貨的原因但是台灣在經濟上相對我們亞洲其他國家基本面這是無庸置疑的我想這個\n\n05:32.449 --> 05:53.937\n股市呢如果回歸市場機制自然就會反映到我們真實的狀況因為不管怎麼樣消息面最後還是回到基本面這樣齁那個主委因為一個多月內的台股大盤指數以及啊台股成交量的統計金管會上個禮拜五宣布說解除限控令那我請問主委你認為\n\n05:55.738 --> 06:09.935\n台股面對關稅戰的壓力測試是不是已經過關所以說軍管會才會決定解除限工令其實我想未來的事情大家都很難預料我們要戒慎恐懼\n\n06:10.996 --> 06:38.982\n那我們所謂的過去是因應在4月7號那個措施主要是我想當時大家回想4月7號因為我們放廉價的關係市場充滿了不理性的預期心理所以這時候呢我們進行市場上面的一個所謂的市場上做一些措施穩定這個所謂的非理性的行為的可能確實也發揮了效用我們有一句話說手伸久了會痠我們必須適度的收回來才有下一次\n\n06:39.662 --> 06:54.398\n出手的這個力道我想未來充滿了不確定性這個我們金管會這個措施是隨時保持高度的激動隨時應應各種的狀況我覺得我們可以透過更彈性的方式但是我們先\n\n06:55.479 --> 07:20.221\n市場回歸市場機制還是最重要的因為有股民擔憂儘管會雨天收傘恐量變盤那你認為有沒有可能這個股市空荒大均捲土重來來催化整個端午變盤會不會我想如果從長期的觀點如果說從當天來看當然大家就會有這樣的一個想法\n\n07:20.982 --> 07:48.164\n我想其實台灣的市場我跟你講就是最近幾年尤其最近十年我們台灣的資本市場已經逐步的成長茁壯已經快要排名是在全世界接近前十名的資本市場我想台灣有具有一定的韌性而且國際上面也有高度的肯定我們這次的一些的在資本市場的一些作為這是個長期性的而不是只看一個端午節或是看一個\n\n07:49.645 --> 08:08.726\n那個簡單的漲跌來看待這個制度好那個主委我再請教因為這個關心大盤之餘本系列注意到有三家上市櫃公司因被如期公告2024年第一季的財報遭主管機關\n\n08:09.947 --> 08:27.307\n列入觀察名單目前都已經是停止交易的這種狀態那我請問主委這幾家公司在為如期繳交財報前是不是已經出現有別於正常上市櫃公司的交易異狀\n\n08:29.106 --> 08:52.142\n這個其實我們現在的上市櫃公司家數已經接近兩千家市場有進有退這個大概都是一個非常正常的現象我們的上市櫃交易所跟櫃買中心針對這些異常的現象都有嚴密的監控剛才委員所提到那幾家公司有些每家情況不一樣有些是因為經營權的增值有些是因為財務的問題\n\n08:53.303 --> 09:15.423\n我想這些我們在現有的機制上都按照我們的機制在運作跟管控中如果有是不是金管會證交所會在停止交易處分前採取哪些處置或措施如果沒有的話那麼投資民眾這又該怎麼樣來避免踩雷啊你的看法呢\n\n09:15.663 --> 09:35.576\n當然就是我們所有的投資大概都會有風險但是以台灣的資本市場規模跟現在我們那個發生這些加速還有這些的內容來看我覺得台灣的資本市場相對是穩健不過我們還是要提醒所有的投資人其實我們所有上市櫃公司定期都有做財務的揭露還有一些訊息如果重大影響到\n\n09:36.817 --> 09:55.368\n這個所謂的這個股東權益跟影響到公司的話都要做重大資訊的揭露我們也提醒說所有投資人要注意資訊的這樣的觀察還有就是風險這樣齁那個主委因為三家之中的一家是老牌食品大廠啊胡冒有指\n\n09:55.928 --> 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那個主委因為一個多月內的台股大盤指數以及啊台股成交量的統計金管會上個禮拜五宣布說解除限控令那我請問主委你認為"},{"start":355.738,"end":369.935,"text":"台股面對關稅戰的壓力測試是不是已經過關所以說軍管會才會決定解除限工令其實我想未來的事情大家都很難預料我們要戒慎恐懼"},{"start":370.996,"end":398.982,"text":"那我們所謂的過去是因應在4月7號那個措施主要是我想當時大家回想4月7號因為我們放廉價的關係市場充滿了不理性的預期心理所以這時候呢我們進行市場上面的一個所謂的市場上做一些措施穩定這個所謂的非理性的行為的可能確實也發揮了效用我們有一句話說手伸久了會痠我們必須適度的收回來才有下一次"},{"start":399.662,"end":414.398,"text":"出手的這個力道我想未來充滿了不確定性這個我們金管會這個措施是隨時保持高度的激動隨時應應各種的狀況我覺得我們可以透過更彈性的方式但是我們先"},{"start":415.479,"end":440.221,"text":"市場回歸市場機制還是最重要的因為有股民擔憂儘管會雨天收傘恐量變盤那你認為有沒有可能這個股市空荒大均捲土重來來催化整個端午變盤會不會我想如果從長期的觀點如果說從當天來看當然大家就會有這樣的一個想法"},{"start":440.982,"end":468.164,"text":"我想其實台灣的市場我跟你講就是最近幾年尤其最近十年我們台灣的資本市場已經逐步的成長茁壯已經快要排名是在全世界接近前十名的資本市場我想台灣有具有一定的韌性而且國際上面也有高度的肯定我們這次的一些的在資本市場的一些作為這是個長期性的而不是只看一個端午節或是看一個"},{"start":469.645,"end":488.726,"text":"那個簡單的漲跌來看待這個制度好 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有沒有"},{"start":645.39,"end":660.893,"text":"我想經營權之爭是我們市場上面的稱呼啦其實上就是一個比如說我們在對於董監的選舉那我想我們都有一套的這個相關的遊戲規則那其實我們就按照這個法律來走"},{"start":662.294,"end":684.141,"text":"對 違規的我們就會來處理然後大家都是守法的話我們就按照這套制度來進行那金管會跟證交所對上市櫃經營權之爭出現白熱化目前可以所採取的處置和措施有哪些金管會或證交所採取的處置措施是不是有更明確的訊號"},{"start":686.182,"end":708.911,"text":"讓公司的小兒的投資人或股東能夠清楚的判斷以避免手中股票變成壁紙你的看法呢這一點我想我剛剛跟委員報告過了所有的這些都要依照現行的法規來進行如果違法我們一定是嚴格處置那如果說是合規的行為我們就尊重市場"},{"start":710.024,"end":733.482,"text":"對啦 那你要是沒好好的處置這些小股東們到時候會不會傻傻的坐以待斃啊 會不會就變成這個樣子當然就是我們剛才 就像我們今天審議的這些條文裡面我們有針對這違規行為投資人保護的部分我們就會啟動這套機制 像比如說這些有問題的我們投保中心都會參與會議這個就是其中一個機制啊"},{"start":734.045,"end":751.316,"text":"最後一題,這幾天新台幣升值又升破30元,重返29.59元因為金融行業中的受險公司多將龐大的保惠收入投資在美元計價的海外債券與股票"},{"start":753.735,"end":779.533,"text":"來賺取較高的收益所以說新台幣升值時這些海外投資帳面價值縮水未充分避險將產生可觀的匯兌損失那請問主委推行外匯準備金的心智你認為對保險業經營上有哪些優點和缺點我想所謂外價準備金跟我們的傳統用工具避險"},{"start":780.553,"end":798.206,"text":"這是兩種不同一種是利用所謂的風險管理上面的風險移轉一個就是我們所謂自我保險這兩個都是風險管理的方法我想這個都是可行我們是建議公司基於他的專業來做這樣一個審慎的運用換句話說受險業避險後有賄損可使用外匯準備金金額抵押再沖抵"},{"start":807.173,"end":825.06,"text":"但如果有匯兌利益也必須有百分之百的提存是不是對保險業整個獲利與未來展望也會有一些負面的影響其實剛委員也有提到這是帳面價值的縮水"},{"start":825.8,"end":850.218,"text":"剛才講說所謂的提存外價金就是它的未實現的收益它把它提存起來主要是要面對以後的未實現損失其實這樣都是未實現的跟我們很多人理解的損失叫做虧錢其實都是帳面上的所以這也是為什麼受險運的特性所以我們透過這套機制呢讓保險公司有兩種工具可以來選擇這樣喔是的好 謝謝好 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