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00:02:51,019\n其實就是針對就是上禮拜你接受媒體訪問的時候你講到說台美的農產品的關稅談判希望能夠維持5%對不對那這個部分的時候我在想說那政府是不是有考慮對美國農產品採零關稅的政策這個部分\n\n9\n00:02:53,522 --> 00:03:14,725\n您可以再做一次正式性的一個宣示一下我跟委員報告就是在美國提出對等關稅談判之前美國的關稅我們出到美國的關稅平均是5%所以我們一直希望說在對等關稅談判過程中能夠維持以農產品來講能夠維持現在的關稅的比例是最好的\n\n10\n00:03:15,305 --> 00:03:38,168\n那你要怎麼維持關稅人家提出這樣的一個條件出來的時候因為當時我們在講萊豬進口的時候呢當時也是提到說我們要有更好的一個談判條件結果後來也沒有啊不過我想有一部分的農產品我們是依賴美國的而且是在台灣是當作原物料的部分我特別提到的黃小玉的部分那黃豆玉米的部分\n\n11\n00:03:38,809 --> 00:03:57,217\n如果關稅越低的時候對我們的生產成本降的越低所以這個部分我想我們會更積極的去跟美國因為最主要美國的玉米黃豆跟小麥基本上就是我們本來主要的大東的所以聽起來部長覺得好像說因為黃小玥的關係所以我們降低到零關稅的時候對台灣的農業還是有幫助的\n\n12\n00:03:59,238 --> 00:04:18,832\n所以你打算讓台灣的農業對美進口的關稅降到零嗎沒有我沒有這樣講現在目前黃豆跟玉米本身的關稅就是零了本來就是零那因為零關稅的話我說整體因為我在今天在講整體是百分之五現在是平均是百分之五\n\n13\n00:04:20,093 --> 00:04:40,082\n那我剛才說的就是當這個五次總平均那是有一些關稅低的時候是對我們台灣有利的因為當是原物料的部分我們希望它低一點是可以的所以我在問整體嘛所以我想問一下就是因為有學者認為台灣的整個農業的三大核心是稻米豬肉跟雞肉\n\n14\n00:04:40,922 --> 00:04:58,324\n那這部分退讓的時候可能影響會非常的巨大尤其是稻米的部分對於稻米部分的時候我們目前跟那個國際這邊的一個標準是怎麼樣子我跟委員報告就是你剛才提到的稻米豬肉跟雞肉那其實我一直強調就是農業\n\n15\n00:05:00,066 --> 00:05:17,199\n負有一個非常重要的糧食安全的一個責任所以在談判的過程中我們一定會秉持著我們的糧食安全然後我們要讓我們的農民的收益能夠確保讓我們的產業能夠永續發展在這幾個前提之下我們才會去討論一些比較細的原則\n\n16\n00:05:18,340 --> 00:05:40,945\n理解喔那我先問一下米的部分我們目前就是我們的就是稻米的關稅配額一年有多少算144,720噸那其中有94,000噸是國家配額有5萬噸是民間的配額那國家的配額就是由政府去買來以後放到公糧倉庫裡面這樣的話對我們國內的稻米產業不會有影響對那144,720噸裡面有多少是從美國進口\n\n17\n00:05:47,697 --> 00:06:07,227\n我剛才說的14萬4千720裡面9萬4是國際配合9萬4裡面的6萬4千噸左右6萬4千噸是美國的配合大概佔了45%左右對不對那因為在這部分的時候因為我們如果說像現在我想再問一個狀態台灣的米一公斤大概要50塊對不對美國的米大概30塊而已\n\n18\n00:06:12,196 --> 00:06:25,333\n這個資訊其實都在變動那我們經過我們如果以批發價來講批發價來講美國米跟台灣米的差價大概是5塊左右並沒有到10塊因為現在美國的米也越來越貴\n\n19\n00:06:26,835 --> 00:06:43,402\n所以您剛才講的那個數據可能是三四年前在那個COVID之前本身如果加州大豐收的時候它的進口米的價格會低所以有差到10塊但是以去年來講它差到4塊半左右OK那我最後來問一個問題因為美國現在還在做一個就是美國優先海鮮戰略這個部分\n\n20\n00:06:47,984 --> 00:07:10,963\n那麼他有特別針對IU跟強迫勞動的問題在做一個關心尤其在漁業的部分的時候那麼在這個地方的時候我上個禮拜先我有問到IU的問題那我今天要特別針對那個強迫勞動的問題去做一個關心的部分那因為監察院在前幾不久之前的時候也提出一個狀態因為有南方澳的漁船因為有印尼勞工\n\n21\n00:07:11,483 --> 00:07:25,688\n就在那個海上死掉那就針對這個部分的時候我們農業部這邊有沒有打算要怎麼去做那我想要去衍生的一個問題是針對於就是漁工他們的通訊權的問題\n\n22\n00:07:28,172 --> 00:07:43,607\n有沒有辦法給他一個比較好的保障我想我們一直持續的透過漁業與人權行動方案裡面去加強漁工的就是漁工的勞動條件在船上的勞動條件上岸以後他的一個生活的一個條件\n\n23\n00:07:45,188 --> 00:08:04,543\n那在海上的時候Wi-Fi是一個它可以對外聯絡的一個通路所以我們針對Wi-Fi也給予適當的補助包括它的機制跟它的通訊費成效不好啊現在台灣紀元洋漁船裡面大概有那個Wi-Fi大概只有10%左右是3%我跟委員報告就是\n\n24\n00:08:05,804 --> 00:08:25,721\n漁船在海上作業他跟陸地聯絡的顧問Wi-Fi只是其中的一個方式而已那他還有那個衛星電話然後還有一些其他的一些無線電台的部分可以去聯絡的部分那因為他現在並沒有強制所以我們還是持續用\n\n25\n00:08:26,221 --> 00:08:47,846\n所以這個部分就是因為監察院也提出了一個這樣檢討報告所以說希望說我們針對於整個漁業人權的部分尤其是針對漁船船員海上傷病申請救援通訊諮詢機制這個部分的時候他要求我們農業部這邊必須要去做一個調整那我這邊我也提到一個\n\n26\n00:08:48,446 --> 00:09:08,180\n像比方說現在台灣的遠洋漁船其實有Wi-Fi的部分比例很低那船上都沒有Wi-Fi的時候漁工就更沒有辦法有條件去使用這樣的一個通訊那在韓國他們其實有具體的一個標準出來你知道我們目前跟韓國的標準差距有多大嗎\n\n27\n00:09:09,585 --> 00:09:33,516\n不過我想有一個非常重要的就是遠洋漁船在公海的時候就離開我們的12海里以外的時候他用的是一個衛星電話那現在目前因為台灣只有一家合格那其他的國際舉個例子STARLINK的部分我們現在因為NCC還沒有在審這個部分沒有經過我們通訊認可的時候是不能用的但是我所知道\n\n28\n00:09:34,036 --> 00:09:51,439\n遠洋漁船在國際上在行船的時候他還是有用其他國家的這些通訊衛星這個都沒有問題我只是要講我就簡單具體講一個數字給你我們月屬2024年建議的船員使用Wi-Fi一個月的量是多少你知道嗎\n\n29\n00:09:53,814 --> 00:10:11,580\n一個月只有40Mbps你知道很少然後或者是一個月三個小時韓國給的這沒有錯嘛約束這邊韓國的標準其實目前是每個月3到5Gbps然後每天三小時啊所以對於整個這個\n\n30\n00:10:13,961 --> 00:10:28,718\n遠洋漁工的一個勞動權的部分我們希望這邊要特別的一個加強好不好因為這目前來說的時候都不是一個強制性的部分可是因為這部分跟我們在跟美國在做一個談判的時候肯定也是一個他們關注的點\n\n31\n00:10:29,198 --> 00:10:56,665\n因為除了IUU之外的時候他們也針對強迫勞動強迫勞動是在遠洋漁船上面非常非常普遍的一個樣態之一所以我們這邊的時候那要再加上我們南方澳有印尼漁工在船上死亡的問題那牽涉到整個通訊機制的一個不良所以我們希望針對這個部分的時候農業部能夠加以改善好不好\n\n32\n00:10:57,646 --> 00:11:06,898\n針對於這樣的部分我覺得這是一個基本人權的部分啦我在想說大家在漁工其實在遠洋漁船上工作已經是很辛苦的事情如果說強迫勞動的問題又沒有通訊權的問題的時候我覺得那情況會更糟\n\n33\n00:11:12,626 --> 00:11:26,411\n好謝謝委員提醒我想我們在這方面會持續努力增加他的Wi-Fi的使用的時間那這個牽涉到他的費用的問題我想必要的協助我們也會再跟遠洋漁業這些船主一起來討論OK那我最後再問一個問題因為在那個\n\n34\n00:11:29,672 --> 00:11:56,283\n之前萊豬要進來的時候當時的部長陳其仲他就講說國產豬肉自給率到93%你那時候是次長你知道到目前為止台灣的一個國產豬肉自給率大概是百分之多少我想以去年來講大概是88%那以今年來講因為不同的月份它的豬肉進口量還有88%是不是那我這邊我提問個數字因為到\n\n35\n00:12:00,651 --> 00:12:10,860\n114年5月23號之前的時候這個部分我們看到的一個數字是台灣豬的一個整個量跟進口豬的量是76比24\n\n36\n00:12:14,518 --> 00:12:36,367\n那這個部分你也學長說因為這裡面有很多是到加工領域裡面去不過這個部分要跟委員說明的第一個就是說因為到4月的部分我們的進口豬肉通常是跟我們國內的豬肉就是在彌補不足所以它不是每個月進口的數量都是一模一樣的所以\n\n37\n00:12:36,727 --> 00:12:56,696\n它在上半年會比較多一點所以它的占比就會高一點但是在下半年比較低的時候所以拉起來我們還是要用整年的平均來看所以整年來說你覺得目前的台灣豬肉自給率還有88%對我們去年實際上是88%然後前年也是大概88%到89%左右所以這幾年來情形在88%到90%之間在浮動\n\n38\n00:12:59,844 --> 00:13:20,549\nOK那我在這邊最後再提一個因為之前有澳洲的那個豬腳進來的時候有三次都含那個萊克多巴胺然後就是也超標所以其實有百分之九成的民眾我所知道沒有所謂的超標它是含萊克多巴胺但是含萊克多巴胺但是它並沒有超過我們國家的標準\n\n39\n00:13:21,249 --> 00:13:40,645\n因為超過就進不來因為可是有目前還是有90%的民眾在意瘦肉精的這個問題而且不滿意現在標示的比重其實非常的高那麼認為瘦肉精要標示的部分有67%這比重還是非常非常的高表示民眾對於\n\n40\n00:13:42,392 --> 00:14:03,027\n收入金的問題其實還是非常的在意那我們希望針對整個標示的問題的時候那我們希望農業部身為主管豬肉的相關的單位的時候也能夠跟衛福部這邊做進一步的溝通好不好讓民眾能夠真的安心不要因為這件事情然後消費者\n\n41\n00:14:04,688 --> 00:14:28,537\n就是對於台灣豬肉產生高度的不信任好不好我跟委員報告以農業部立場就是我們要確保台灣的豬肉產業持續永續發展所以後續我們會更積極的去推動台灣豬的部分的市場的區隔那台灣豬本身是因為以溫體豬肉為主最主要是見到傳統市場跟所謂的賣場現在雲林台中其實他們都有自己的一個做法\n\n42\n00:14:28,817 --> 00:14:42,052\n那你說中央藥界要怎麼做所以包括我們台灣豬肉的品牌的行銷這個我想我們都會跟各地的這些豬農協會的部分來做討論重要就是我們要讓我們的台灣豬肉\n\n43\n00:14:44,174 --> 00:15:03,579\n在我們的消費者一定是認可的唯一認可的那這樣的話其實其他的豬肉在進口它可能就是一個替代不足的部分不會影響到我們台灣豬肉的生產這是我們農業部最大的理解因為地方其實都做的感覺比中央還要更多那中央這邊如果後續有什麼具體的做法的時候你再給本辦公室一個書面的資料好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3373\t27869\t謝謝主席 我想要請一下農業部陳部長陳部長委員長部長好因為今天我們安排的是農會儲存條例的一個修正那我記得在那個2022年的時候那時候林海是次長的時候我那時候陳一中陳部長的時候他那時候提到說他希望在2023年的比例達到30%\n29790\t46242\t那我這邊有個數字跟你在那個今天的報告當中有一點落差就是我看預算中心這邊提到在民國113年6月底的時候就是農民退休儲金的整個的比例占我們所有的農保投保的被保險人數只有27.09%\n49265\t67822\t那你這邊今天提到的另外提到一個數字是49%可不可以解釋一下這當中的差距是在哪裡我想第一個部分就是母數的部分農保本身的人數它現在降得蠻快的以現在來講 以上個月來講現在的農保人數大概是85.3萬\n72372\t101448\t因為我們農隊儲金是小於65歲的那65歲現在的統計是31.7萬這是一個那你如果說以31.7萬當母數的時候它的確大概是30%左右但是相對的因為你參加農民退休儲金你主要就農保的資格的減和那如果說開綠燈的就是說你參加農保資格可能有一些資格還是有一些問題嘛但是我們如果去把它\n103335\t120050\t這個百分之百沒問題的才能加好理解了所以按照這樣的一個數字的一個標準的時候你覺得目前為止的時候已經達到百分之三十十一萬跟三十一萬大概三十出頭是不是不是現在比例是多少現在比例如果說\n121792\t132157\t曾經來參加農民退休儲金的有11萬人然後除以母數的話是49%那如果說退休的不算曾經加保然後退休的不算的話是達到40%\n134996\t155378\t所以目前有40% 因為我在想說這之前其實很多人都覺得這樣的比例其實不夠高那我在想說今天的一個修法的部分本來就是希望說能夠提高一個更大的一個誘因那我在想說你這邊有這邊提出一個書面的一個資料就是這邊有剛也口頭做報告那本席稍微了解那我接下來我要問一個問題\n156539\t171019\t其實就是針對就是上禮拜你接受媒體訪問的時候你講到說台美的農產品的關稅談判希望能夠維持5%對不對那這個部分的時候我在想說那政府是不是有考慮對美國農產品採零關稅的政策這個部分\n173522\t194725\t您可以再做一次正式性的一個宣示一下我跟委員報告就是在美國提出對等關稅談判之前美國的關稅我們出到美國的關稅平均是5%所以我們一直希望說在對等關稅談判過程中能夠維持以農產品來講能夠維持現在的關稅的比例是最好的\n195305\t218168\t那你要怎麼維持關稅人家提出這樣的一個條件出來的時候因為當時我們在講萊豬進口的時候呢當時也是提到說我們要有更好的一個談判條件結果後來也沒有啊不過我想有一部分的農產品我們是依賴美國的而且是在台灣是當作原物料的部分我特別提到的黃小玉的部分那黃豆玉米的部分\n218809\t237217\t如果關稅越低的時候對我們的生產成本降的越低所以這個部分我想我們會更積極的去跟美國因為最主要美國的玉米黃豆跟小麥基本上就是我們本來主要的大東的所以聽起來部長覺得好像說因為黃小玥的關係所以我們降低到零關稅的時候對台灣的農業還是有幫助的\n239238\t258832\t所以你打算讓台灣的農業對美進口的關稅降到零嗎沒有我沒有這樣講現在目前黃豆跟玉米本身的關稅就是零了本來就是零那因為零關稅的話我說整體因為我在今天在講整體是百分之五現在是平均是百分之五\n260093\t280082\t那我剛才說的就是當這個五次總平均那是有一些關稅低的時候是對我們台灣有利的因為當是原物料的部分我們希望它低一點是可以的所以我在問整體嘛所以我想問一下就是因為有學者認為台灣的整個農業的三大核心是稻米豬肉跟雞肉\n280922\t298324\t那這部分退讓的時候可能影響會非常的巨大尤其是稻米的部分對於稻米部分的時候我們目前跟那個國際這邊的一個標準是怎麼樣子我跟委員報告就是你剛才提到的稻米豬肉跟雞肉那其實我一直強調就是農業\n300066\t317199\t負有一個非常重要的糧食安全的一個責任所以在談判的過程中我們一定會秉持著我們的糧食安全然後我們要讓我們的農民的收益能夠確保讓我們的產業能夠永續發展在這幾個前提之下我們才會去討論一些比較細的原則\n318340\t340945\t理解喔 那我先問一下米的部分我們目前就是我們的就是稻米的關稅配額一年有多少算144,720噸那其中有94,000噸是國家配額有5萬噸是民間的配額那國家的配額就是由政府去買來以後放到公糧倉庫裡面這樣的話對我們國內的稻米產業不會有影響對 那144,720噸裡面有多少是從美國進口\n347697\t367227\t我剛才說的14萬4千720裡面9萬4是國際配合9萬4裡面的6萬4千噸左右6萬4千噸是美國的配合大概佔了45%左右對不對那因為在這部分的時候因為我們如果說像現在我想再問一個狀態台灣的米一公斤大概要50塊對不對美國的米大概30塊而已\n372196\t385333\t這個資訊其實都在變動那我們經過我們如果以批發價來講批發價來講美國米跟台灣米的差價大概是5塊左右並沒有到10塊因為現在美國的米也越來越貴\n386835\t403402\t所以您剛才講的那個數據可能是三四年前在那個COVID之前本身如果加州大豐收的時候它的進口米的價格會低所以有差到10塊但是以去年來講它差到4塊半左右OK那我最後來問一個問題因為美國現在還在做一個就是美國優先海鮮戰略這個部分\n407984\t430963\t那麼他有特別針對IU跟強迫勞動的問題在做一個關心尤其在漁業的部分的時候那麼在這個地方的時候我上個禮拜先我有問到IU的問題那我今天要特別針對那個強迫勞動的問題去做一個關心的部分那因為監察院在前幾不久之前的時候也提出一個狀態因為有南方澳的漁船因為有印尼勞工\n431483\t445688\t就在那個海上死掉那就針對這個部分的時候我們農業部這邊有沒有打算要怎麼去做那我想要去衍生的一個問題是針對於就是漁工他們的通訊權的問題\n448172\t463607\t有沒有辦法給他一個比較好的保障我想我們一直持續的透過漁業與人權行動方案裡面去加強漁工的就是漁工的勞動條件在船上的勞動條件上岸以後他的一個生活的一個條件\n465188\t484543\t那在海上的時候Wi-Fi是一個它可以對外聯絡的一個通路所以我們針對Wi-Fi也給予適當的補助包括它的機制跟它的通訊費成效不好啊現在台灣紀元洋漁船裡面大概有那個Wi-Fi大概只有10%左右是3%我跟委員報告就是\n485804\t505721\t漁船在海上作業他跟陸地聯絡的顧問Wi-Fi只是其中的一個方式而已那他還有那個衛星電話然後還有一些其他的一些無線電台的部分可以去聯絡的部分那因為他現在並沒有強制所以我們還是持續用\n506221\t527846\t所以這個部分就是因為監察院也提出了一個這樣檢討報告所以說希望說我們針對於整個漁業人權的部分尤其是針對漁船船員海上傷病申請救援通訊諮詢機制這個部分的時候他要求我們農業部這邊必須要去做一個調整那我這邊我也提到一個\n528446\t548180\t像比方說現在台灣的遠洋漁船其實有Wi-Fi的部分比例很低那船上都沒有Wi-Fi的時候漁工就更沒有辦法有條件去使用這樣的一個通訊那在韓國他們其實有具體的一個標準出來你知道我們目前跟韓國的標準差距有多大嗎\n549585\t573516\t不過我想有一個非常重要的就是遠洋漁船在公海的時候就離開我們的12海里以外的時候他用的是一個衛星電話那現在目前因為台灣只有一家合格那其他的國際舉個例子STARLINK的部分我們現在因為NCC還沒有在審這個部分沒有經過我們通訊認可的時候是不能用的但是我所知道\n574036\t591439\t遠洋漁船在國際上在行船的時候他還是有用其他國家的這些通訊衛星這個都沒有問題我只是要講我就簡單具體講一個數字給你我們月屬2024年建議的船員使用Wi-Fi一個月的量是多少你知道嗎\n593814\t611580\t一個月只有40Mbps你知道 很少然後或者是一個月三個小時韓國給的 這沒有錯嘛 約束這邊韓國的標準 其實目前是每個月3到5Gbps然後每天三小時啊所以對於整個這個\n613961\t628718\t遠洋漁工的一個勞動權的部分我們希望這邊要特別的一個加強好不好因為這目前來說的時候都不是一個強制性的部分可是因為這部分跟我們在跟美國在做一個談判的時候肯定也是一個他們關注的點\n629198\t656665\t因為除了IUU之外的時候他們也針對強迫勞動強迫勞動是在遠洋漁船上面非常非常普遍的一個樣態之一所以我們這邊的時候那要再加上我們南方澳有印尼漁工在船上死亡的問題那牽涉到整個通訊機制的一個不良所以我們希望針對這個部分的時候農業部能夠加以改善好不好\n657646\t666898\t針對於這樣的部分我覺得這是一個基本人權的部分啦我在想說大家在漁工其實在遠洋漁船上工作已經是很辛苦的事情如果說強迫勞動的問題又沒有通訊權的問題的時候我覺得那情況會更糟\n672626\t686411\t好謝謝委員提醒我想我們在這方面會持續努力增加他的Wi-Fi的使用的時間那這個牽涉到他的費用的問題我想必要的協助我們也會再跟遠洋漁業這些船主一起來討論OK那我最後再問一個問題因為在那個\n689672\t716283\t之前萊豬要進來的時候 當時的部長陳其仲他就講說國產豬肉自給率到93% 你那時候是次長你知道到目前為止台灣的一個國產豬肉自給率大概是百分之多少我想以去年來講大概是88%那以今年來講 因為不同的月份它的豬肉進口量還有88%是不是那我這邊我提問個數字 因為到\n720651\t730860\t114年5月23號之前的時候這個部分我們看到的一個數字是台灣豬的一個整個量跟進口豬的量是76比24\n734518\t756367\t那這個部分你也學長說因為這裡面有很多是到加工領域裡面去不過這個部分要跟委員說明的第一個就是說因為到4月的部分我們的進口豬肉通常是跟我們國內的豬肉就是在彌補不足所以它不是每個月進口的數量都是一模一樣的所以\n756727\t776696\t它在上半年會比較多一點所以它的占比就會高一點但是在下半年比較低的時候所以拉起來我們還是要用整年的平均來看所以整年來說你覺得目前的台灣豬肉自給率還有88%對 我們去年實際上是88%然後前年也是大概88%到89%左右所以這幾年來情形在88%到90%之間在浮動\n779844\t800549\tOK那我在這邊最後再提一個因為之前有澳洲的那個豬腳進來的時候有三次都含那個萊克多巴胺然後就是也超標所以其實有百分之九成的民眾我所知道沒有所謂的超標它是含萊克多巴胺但是含萊克多巴胺但是它並沒有超過我們國家的標準\n801249\t820645\t因為超過就進不來因為可是有目前還是有90%的民眾在意瘦肉精的這個問題而且不滿意現在標示的比重其實非常的高那麼認為瘦肉精要標示的部分有67%這比重還是非常非常的高表示民眾對於\n822392\t843027\t收入金的問題其實還是非常的在意那我們希望針對整個標示的問題的時候那我們希望農業部身為主管豬肉的相關的單位的時候也能夠跟衛福部這邊做進一步的溝通好不好讓民眾能夠真的安心不要因為這件事情然後消費者\n844688\t868537\t就是對於台灣豬肉產生高度的不信任好不好我跟委員報告以農業部立場就是我們要確保台灣的豬肉產業持續永續發展所以後續我們會更積極的去推動台灣豬的部分的市場的區隔那台灣豬本身是因為以溫體豬肉為主最主要是見到傳統市場跟所謂的賣場現在雲林台中其實他們都有自己的一個做法\n868817\t882052\t那你說中央藥界要怎麼做所以包括我們台灣豬肉的品牌的行銷這個我想我們都會跟各地的這些豬農協會的部分來做討論重要就是我們要讓我們的台灣豬肉\n884174\t903579\t在我們的消費者一定是認可的唯一認可的那這樣的話其實其他的豬肉在進口它可能就是一個替代不足的部分不會影響到我們台灣豬肉的生產這是我們農業部最大的理解因為地方其實都做的感覺比中央還要更多那中央這邊如果後續有什麼具體的做法的時候你再給本辦公室一個書面的資料好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我想要請一下農業部陳部長陳部長委員長部長好因為今天我們安排的是農會儲存條例的一個修正那我記得在那個2022年的時候那時候林海是次長的時候我那時候陳一中陳部長的時候他那時候提到說他希望在2023年的比例達到30%\n那我這邊有個數字跟你在那個今天的報告當中有一點落差就是我看預算中心這邊提到在民國113年6月底的時候就是農民退休儲金的整個的比例占我們所有的農保投保的被保險人數只有27.09%\n那你這邊今天提到的另外提到一個數字是49%可不可以解釋一下這當中的差距是在哪裡我想第一個部分就是母數的部分農保本身的人數它現在降得蠻快的以現在來講 以上個月來講現在的農保人數大概是85.3萬\n因為我們農隊儲金是小於65歲的那65歲現在的統計是31.7萬這是一個那你如果說以31.7萬當母數的時候它的確大概是30%左右但是相對的因為你參加農民退休儲金你主要就農保的資格的減和那如果說開綠燈的就是說你參加農保資格可能有一些資格還是有一些問題嘛但是我們如果去把它\n這個百分之百沒問題的才能加好理解了所以按照這樣的一個數字的一個標準的時候你覺得目前為止的時候已經達到百分之三十十一萬跟三十一萬大概三十出頭是不是不是現在比例是多少現在比例如果說\n曾經來參加農民退休儲金的有11萬人然後除以母數的話是49%那如果說退休的不算曾經加保然後退休的不算的話是達到40%\n所以目前有40% 因為我在想說這之前其實很多人都覺得這樣的比例其實不夠高那我在想說今天的一個修法的部分本來就是希望說能夠提高一個更大的一個誘因那我在想說你這邊有這邊提出一個書面的一個資料就是這邊有剛也口頭做報告那本席稍微了解那我接下來我要問一個問題\n其實就是針對就是上禮拜你接受媒體訪問的時候你講到說台美的農產品的關稅談判希望能夠維持5%對不對那這個部分的時候我在想說那政府是不是有考慮對美國農產品採零關稅的政策這個部分\n您可以再做一次正式性的一個宣示一下我跟委員報告就是在美國提出對等關稅談判之前美國的關稅我們出到美國的關稅平均是5%所以我們一直希望說在對等關稅談判過程中能夠維持以農產品來講能夠維持現在的關稅的比例是最好的\n那你要怎麼維持關稅人家提出這樣的一個條件出來的時候因為當時我們在講萊豬進口的時候呢當時也是提到說我們要有更好的一個談判條件結果後來也沒有啊不過我想有一部分的農產品我們是依賴美國的而且是在台灣是當作原物料的部分我特別提到的黃小玉的部分那黃豆玉米的部分\n如果關稅越低的時候對我們的生產成本降的越低所以這個部分我想我們會更積極的去跟美國因為最主要美國的玉米黃豆跟小麥基本上就是我們本來主要的大東的所以聽起來部長覺得好像說因為黃小玥的關係所以我們降低到零關稅的時候對台灣的農業還是有幫助的\n所以你打算讓台灣的農業對美進口的關稅降到零嗎沒有我沒有這樣講現在目前黃豆跟玉米本身的關稅就是零了本來就是零那因為零關稅的話我說整體因為我在今天在講整體是百分之五現在是平均是百分之五\n那我剛才說的就是當這個五次總平均那是有一些關稅低的時候是對我們台灣有利的因為當是原物料的部分我們希望它低一點是可以的所以我在問整體嘛所以我想問一下就是因為有學者認為台灣的整個農業的三大核心是稻米豬肉跟雞肉\n那這部分退讓的時候可能影響會非常的巨大尤其是稻米的部分對於稻米部分的時候我們目前跟那個國際這邊的一個標準是怎麼樣子我跟委員報告就是你剛才提到的稻米豬肉跟雞肉那其實我一直強調就是農業\n負有一個非常重要的糧食安全的一個責任所以在談判的過程中我們一定會秉持著我們的糧食安全然後我們要讓我們的農民的收益能夠確保讓我們的產業能夠永續發展在這幾個前提之下我們才會去討論一些比較細的原則\n理解喔 那我先問一下米的部分我們目前就是我們的就是稻米的關稅配額一年有多少算144,720噸那其中有94,000噸是國家配額有5萬噸是民間的配額那國家的配額就是由政府去買來以後放到公糧倉庫裡面這樣的話對我們國內的稻米產業不會有影響對 那144,720噸裡面有多少是從美國進口\n我剛才說的14萬4千720裡面9萬4是國際配合9萬4裡面的6萬4千噸左右6萬4千噸是美國的配合大概佔了45%左右對不對那因為在這部分的時候因為我們如果說像現在我想再問一個狀態台灣的米一公斤大概要50塊對不對美國的米大概30塊而已\n這個資訊其實都在變動那我們經過我們如果以批發價來講批發價來講美國米跟台灣米的差價大概是5塊左右並沒有到10塊因為現在美國的米也越來越貴\n所以您剛才講的那個數據可能是三四年前在那個COVID之前本身如果加州大豐收的時候它的進口米的價格會低所以有差到10塊但是以去年來講它差到4塊半左右OK那我最後來問一個問題因為美國現在還在做一個就是美國優先海鮮戰略這個部分\n那麼他有特別針對IU跟強迫勞動的問題在做一個關心尤其在漁業的部分的時候那麼在這個地方的時候我上個禮拜先我有問到IU的問題那我今天要特別針對那個強迫勞動的問題去做一個關心的部分那因為監察院在前幾不久之前的時候也提出一個狀態因為有南方澳的漁船因為有印尼勞工\n就在那個海上死掉那就針對這個部分的時候我們農業部這邊有沒有打算要怎麼去做那我想要去衍生的一個問題是針對於就是漁工他們的通訊權的問題\n有沒有辦法給他一個比較好的保障我想我們一直持續的透過漁業與人權行動方案裡面去加強漁工的就是漁工的勞動條件在船上的勞動條件上岸以後他的一個生活的一個條件\n那在海上的時候Wi-Fi是一個它可以對外聯絡的一個通路所以我們針對Wi-Fi也給予適當的補助包括它的機制跟它的通訊費成效不好啊現在台灣紀元洋漁船裡面大概有那個Wi-Fi大概只有10%左右是3%我跟委員報告就是\n漁船在海上作業他跟陸地聯絡的顧問Wi-Fi只是其中的一個方式而已那他還有那個衛星電話然後還有一些其他的一些無線電台的部分可以去聯絡的部分那因為他現在並沒有強制所以我們還是持續用\n所以這個部分就是因為監察院也提出了一個這樣檢討報告所以說希望說我們針對於整個漁業人權的部分尤其是針對漁船船員海上傷病申請救援通訊諮詢機制這個部分的時候他要求我們農業部這邊必須要去做一個調整那我這邊我也提到一個\n像比方說現在台灣的遠洋漁船其實有Wi-Fi的部分比例很低那船上都沒有Wi-Fi的時候漁工就更沒有辦法有條件去使用這樣的一個通訊那在韓國他們其實有具體的一個標準出來你知道我們目前跟韓國的標準差距有多大嗎\n不過我想有一個非常重要的就是遠洋漁船在公海的時候就離開我們的12海里以外的時候他用的是一個衛星電話那現在目前因為台灣只有一家合格那其他的國際舉個例子STARLINK的部分我們現在因為NCC還沒有在審這個部分沒有經過我們通訊認可的時候是不能用的但是我所知道\n遠洋漁船在國際上在行船的時候他還是有用其他國家的這些通訊衛星這個都沒有問題我只是要講我就簡單具體講一個數字給你我們月屬2024年建議的船員使用Wi-Fi一個月的量是多少你知道嗎\n一個月只有40Mbps你知道 很少然後或者是一個月三個小時韓國給的 這沒有錯嘛 約束這邊韓國的標準 其實目前是每個月3到5Gbps然後每天三小時啊所以對於整個這個\n遠洋漁工的一個勞動權的部分我們希望這邊要特別的一個加強好不好因為這目前來說的時候都不是一個強制性的部分可是因為這部分跟我們在跟美國在做一個談判的時候肯定也是一個他們關注的點\n因為除了IUU之外的時候他們也針對強迫勞動強迫勞動是在遠洋漁船上面非常非常普遍的一個樣態之一所以我們這邊的時候那要再加上我們南方澳有印尼漁工在船上死亡的問題那牽涉到整個通訊機制的一個不良所以我們希望針對這個部分的時候農業部能夠加以改善好不好\n針對於這樣的部分我覺得這是一個基本人權的部分啦我在想說大家在漁工其實在遠洋漁船上工作已經是很辛苦的事情如果說強迫勞動的問題又沒有通訊權的問題的時候我覺得那情況會更糟\n好謝謝委員提醒我想我們在這方面會持續努力增加他的Wi-Fi的使用的時間那這個牽涉到他的費用的問題我想必要的協助我們也會再跟遠洋漁業這些船主一起來討論OK那我最後再問一個問題因為在那個\n之前萊豬要進來的時候 當時的部長陳其仲他就講說國產豬肉自給率到93% 你那時候是次長你知道到目前為止台灣的一個國產豬肉自給率大概是百分之多少我想以去年來講大概是88%那以今年來講 因為不同的月份它的豬肉進口量還有88%是不是那我這邊我提問個數字 因為到\n114年5月23號之前的時候這個部分我們看到的一個數字是台灣豬的一個整個量跟進口豬的量是76比24\n那這個部分你也學長說因為這裡面有很多是到加工領域裡面去不過這個部分要跟委員說明的第一個就是說因為到4月的部分我們的進口豬肉通常是跟我們國內的豬肉就是在彌補不足所以它不是每個月進口的數量都是一模一樣的所以\n它在上半年會比較多一點所以它的占比就會高一點但是在下半年比較低的時候所以拉起來我們還是要用整年的平均來看所以整年來說你覺得目前的台灣豬肉自給率還有88%對 我們去年實際上是88%然後前年也是大概88%到89%左右所以這幾年來情形在88%到90%之間在浮動\nOK那我在這邊最後再提一個因為之前有澳洲的那個豬腳進來的時候有三次都含那個萊克多巴胺然後就是也超標所以其實有百分之九成的民眾我所知道沒有所謂的超標它是含萊克多巴胺但是含萊克多巴胺但是它並沒有超過我們國家的標準\n因為超過就進不來因為可是有目前還是有90%的民眾在意瘦肉精的這個問題而且不滿意現在標示的比重其實非常的高那麼認為瘦肉精要標示的部分有67%這比重還是非常非常的高表示民眾對於\n收入金的問題其實還是非常的在意那我們希望針對整個標示的問題的時候那我們希望農業部身為主管豬肉的相關的單位的時候也能夠跟衛福部這邊做進一步的溝通好不好讓民眾能夠真的安心不要因為這件事情然後消費者\n就是對於台灣豬肉產生高度的不信任好不好我跟委員報告以農業部立場就是我們要確保台灣的豬肉產業持續永續發展所以後續我們會更積極的去推動台灣豬的部分的市場的區隔那台灣豬本身是因為以溫體豬肉為主最主要是見到傳統市場跟所謂的賣場現在雲林台中其實他們都有自己的一個做法\n那你說中央藥界要怎麼做所以包括我們台灣豬肉的品牌的行銷這個我想我們都會跟各地的這些豬農協會的部分來做討論重要就是我們要讓我們的台灣豬肉\n在我們的消費者一定是認可的唯一認可的那這樣的話其實其他的豬肉在進口它可能就是一個替代不足的部分不會影響到我們台灣豬肉的生產這是我們農業部最大的理解因為地方其實都做的感覺比中央還要更多那中央這邊如果後續有什麼具體的做法的時候你再給本辦公室一個書面的資料好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.373 --> 00:27.869\n謝謝主席我想要請一下農業部陳部長陳部長委員長部長好因為今天我們安排的是農會儲存條例的一個修正那我記得在那個2022年的時候那時候林海是次長的時候我那時候陳一中陳部長的時候他那時候提到說他希望在2023年的比例達到30%\n\n00:29.790 --> 00:46.242\n那我這邊有個數字跟你在那個今天的報告當中有一點落差就是我看預算中心這邊提到在民國113年6月底的時候就是農民退休儲金的整個的比例占我們所有的農保投保的被保險人數只有27.09%\n\n00:49.265 --> 01:07.822\n那你這邊今天提到的另外提到一個數字是49%可不可以解釋一下這當中的差距是在哪裡我想第一個部分就是母數的部分農保本身的人數它現在降得蠻快的以現在來講以上個月來講現在的農保人數大概是85.3萬\n\n01:12.372 --> 01:41.448\n因為我們農隊儲金是小於65歲的那65歲現在的統計是31.7萬這是一個那你如果說以31.7萬當母數的時候它的確大概是30%左右但是相對的因為你參加農民退休儲金你主要就農保的資格的減和那如果說開綠燈的就是說你參加農保資格可能有一些資格還是有一些問題嘛但是我們如果去把它\n\n01:43.335 --> 02:00.050\n這個百分之百沒問題的才能加好理解了所以按照這樣的一個數字的一個標準的時候你覺得目前為止的時候已經達到百分之三十十一萬跟三十一萬大概三十出頭是不是不是現在比例是多少現在比例如果說\n\n02:01.792 --> 02:12.157\n曾經來參加農民退休儲金的有11萬人然後除以母數的話是49%那如果說退休的不算曾經加保然後退休的不算的話是達到40%\n\n02:14.996 --> 02:35.378\n所以目前有40%因為我在想說這之前其實很多人都覺得這樣的比例其實不夠高那我在想說今天的一個修法的部分本來就是希望說能夠提高一個更大的一個誘因那我在想說你這邊有這邊提出一個書面的一個資料就是這邊有剛也口頭做報告那本席稍微了解那我接下來我要問一個問題\n\n02:36.539 --> 02:51.019\n其實就是針對就是上禮拜你接受媒體訪問的時候你講到說台美的農產品的關稅談判希望能夠維持5%對不對那這個部分的時候我在想說那政府是不是有考慮對美國農產品採零關稅的政策這個部分\n\n02:53.522 --> 03:14.725\n您可以再做一次正式性的一個宣示一下我跟委員報告就是在美國提出對等關稅談判之前美國的關稅我們出到美國的關稅平均是5%所以我們一直希望說在對等關稅談判過程中能夠維持以農產品來講能夠維持現在的關稅的比例是最好的\n\n03:15.305 --> 03:38.168\n那你要怎麼維持關稅人家提出這樣的一個條件出來的時候因為當時我們在講萊豬進口的時候呢當時也是提到說我們要有更好的一個談判條件結果後來也沒有啊不過我想有一部分的農產品我們是依賴美國的而且是在台灣是當作原物料的部分我特別提到的黃小玉的部分那黃豆玉米的部分\n\n03:38.809 --> 03:57.217\n如果關稅越低的時候對我們的生產成本降的越低所以這個部分我想我們會更積極的去跟美國因為最主要美國的玉米黃豆跟小麥基本上就是我們本來主要的大東的所以聽起來部長覺得好像說因為黃小玥的關係所以我們降低到零關稅的時候對台灣的農業還是有幫助的\n\n03:59.238 --> 04:18.832\n所以你打算讓台灣的農業對美進口的關稅降到零嗎沒有我沒有這樣講現在目前黃豆跟玉米本身的關稅就是零了本來就是零那因為零關稅的話我說整體因為我在今天在講整體是百分之五現在是平均是百分之五\n\n04:20.093 --> 04:40.082\n那我剛才說的就是當這個五次總平均那是有一些關稅低的時候是對我們台灣有利的因為當是原物料的部分我們希望它低一點是可以的所以我在問整體嘛所以我想問一下就是因為有學者認為台灣的整個農業的三大核心是稻米豬肉跟雞肉\n\n04:40.922 --> 04:58.324\n那這部分退讓的時候可能影響會非常的巨大尤其是稻米的部分對於稻米部分的時候我們目前跟那個國際這邊的一個標準是怎麼樣子我跟委員報告就是你剛才提到的稻米豬肉跟雞肉那其實我一直強調就是農業\n\n05:00.066 --> 05:17.199\n負有一個非常重要的糧食安全的一個責任所以在談判的過程中我們一定會秉持著我們的糧食安全然後我們要讓我們的農民的收益能夠確保讓我們的產業能夠永續發展在這幾個前提之下我們才會去討論一些比較細的原則\n\n05:18.340 --> 05:40.945\n理解喔那我先問一下米的部分我們目前就是我們的就是稻米的關稅配額一年有多少算144,720噸那其中有94,000噸是國家配額有5萬噸是民間的配額那國家的配額就是由政府去買來以後放到公糧倉庫裡面這樣的話對我們國內的稻米產業不會有影響對那144,720噸裡面有多少是從美國進口\n\n05:47.697 --> 06:07.227\n我剛才說的14萬4千720裡面9萬4是國際配合9萬4裡面的6萬4千噸左右6萬4千噸是美國的配合大概佔了45%左右對不對那因為在這部分的時候因為我們如果說像現在我想再問一個狀態台灣的米一公斤大概要50塊對不對美國的米大概30塊而已\n\n06:12.196 --> 06:25.333\n這個資訊其實都在變動那我們經過我們如果以批發價來講批發價來講美國米跟台灣米的差價大概是5塊左右並沒有到10塊因為現在美國的米也越來越貴\n\n06:26.835 --> 06:43.402\n所以您剛才講的那個數據可能是三四年前在那個COVID之前本身如果加州大豐收的時候它的進口米的價格會低所以有差到10塊但是以去年來講它差到4塊半左右OK那我最後來問一個問題因為美國現在還在做一個就是美國優先海鮮戰略這個部分\n\n06:47.984 --> 07:10.963\n那麼他有特別針對IU跟強迫勞動的問題在做一個關心尤其在漁業的部分的時候那麼在這個地方的時候我上個禮拜先我有問到IU的問題那我今天要特別針對那個強迫勞動的問題去做一個關心的部分那因為監察院在前幾不久之前的時候也提出一個狀態因為有南方澳的漁船因為有印尼勞工\n\n07:11.483 --> 07:25.688\n就在那個海上死掉那就針對這個部分的時候我們農業部這邊有沒有打算要怎麼去做那我想要去衍生的一個問題是針對於就是漁工他們的通訊權的問題\n\n07:28.172 --> 07:43.607\n有沒有辦法給他一個比較好的保障我想我們一直持續的透過漁業與人權行動方案裡面去加強漁工的就是漁工的勞動條件在船上的勞動條件上岸以後他的一個生活的一個條件\n\n07:45.188 --> 08:04.543\n那在海上的時候Wi-Fi是一個它可以對外聯絡的一個通路所以我們針對Wi-Fi也給予適當的補助包括它的機制跟它的通訊費成效不好啊現在台灣紀元洋漁船裡面大概有那個Wi-Fi大概只有10%左右是3%我跟委員報告就是\n\n08:05.804 --> 08:25.721\n漁船在海上作業他跟陸地聯絡的顧問Wi-Fi只是其中的一個方式而已那他還有那個衛星電話然後還有一些其他的一些無線電台的部分可以去聯絡的部分那因為他現在並沒有強制所以我們還是持續用\n\n08:26.221 --> 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11:06.898\n針對於這樣的部分我覺得這是一個基本人權的部分啦我在想說大家在漁工其實在遠洋漁船上工作已經是很辛苦的事情如果說強迫勞動的問題又沒有通訊權的問題的時候我覺得那情況會更糟\n\n11:12.626 --> 11:26.411\n好謝謝委員提醒我想我們在這方面會持續努力增加他的Wi-Fi的使用的時間那這個牽涉到他的費用的問題我想必要的協助我們也會再跟遠洋漁業這些船主一起來討論OK那我最後再問一個問題因為在那個\n\n11:29.672 --> 11:56.283\n之前萊豬要進來的時候當時的部長陳其仲他就講說國產豬肉自給率到93%你那時候是次長你知道到目前為止台灣的一個國產豬肉自給率大概是百分之多少我想以去年來講大概是88%那以今年來講因為不同的月份它的豬肉進口量還有88%是不是那我這邊我提問個數字因為到\n\n12:00.651 --> 12:10.860\n114年5月23號之前的時候這個部分我們看到的一個數字是台灣豬的一個整個量跟進口豬的量是76比24\n\n12:14.518 --> 12:36.367\n那這個部分你也學長說因為這裡面有很多是到加工領域裡面去不過這個部分要跟委員說明的第一個就是說因為到4月的部分我們的進口豬肉通常是跟我們國內的豬肉就是在彌補不足所以它不是每個月進口的數量都是一模一樣的所以\n\n12:36.727 --> 12:56.696\n它在上半年會比較多一點所以它的占比就會高一點但是在下半年比較低的時候所以拉起來我們還是要用整年的平均來看所以整年來說你覺得目前的台灣豬肉自給率還有88%對我們去年實際上是88%然後前年也是大概88%到89%左右所以這幾年來情形在88%到90%之間在浮動\n\n12:59.844 --> 13:20.549\nOK那我在這邊最後再提一個因為之前有澳洲的那個豬腳進來的時候有三次都含那個萊克多巴胺然後就是也超標所以其實有百分之九成的民眾我所知道沒有所謂的超標它是含萊克多巴胺但是含萊克多巴胺但是它並沒有超過我們國家的標準\n\n13:21.249 --> 13:40.645\n因為超過就進不來因為可是有目前還是有90%的民眾在意瘦肉精的這個問題而且不滿意現在標示的比重其實非常的高那麼認為瘦肉精要標示的部分有67%這比重還是非常非常的高表示民眾對於\n\n13:42.392 --> 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因為我在想說這之前其實很多人都覺得這樣的比例其實不夠高那我在想說今天的一個修法的部分本來就是希望說能夠提高一個更大的一個誘因那我在想說你這邊有這邊提出一個書面的一個資料就是這邊有剛也口頭做報告那本席稍微了解那我接下來我要問一個問題"},{"start":156.539,"end":171.019,"text":"其實就是針對就是上禮拜你接受媒體訪問的時候你講到說台美的農產品的關稅談判希望能夠維持5%對不對那這個部分的時候我在想說那政府是不是有考慮對美國農產品採零關稅的政策這個部分"},{"start":173.522,"end":194.725,"text":"您可以再做一次正式性的一個宣示一下我跟委員報告就是在美國提出對等關稅談判之前美國的關稅我們出到美國的關稅平均是5%所以我們一直希望說在對等關稅談判過程中能夠維持以農產品來講能夠維持現在的關稅的比例是最好的"},{"start":195.305,"end":218.168,"text":"那你要怎麼維持關稅人家提出這樣的一個條件出來的時候因為當時我們在講萊豬進口的時候呢當時也是提到說我們要有更好的一個談判條件結果後來也沒有啊不過我想有一部分的農產品我們是依賴美國的而且是在台灣是當作原物料的部分我特別提到的黃小玉的部分那黃豆玉米的部分"},{"start":218.809,"end":237.217,"text":"如果關稅越低的時候對我們的生產成本降的越低所以這個部分我想我們會更積極的去跟美國因為最主要美國的玉米黃豆跟小麥基本上就是我們本來主要的大東的所以聽起來部長覺得好像說因為黃小玥的關係所以我們降低到零關稅的時候對台灣的農業還是有幫助的"},{"start":239.238,"end":258.832,"text":"所以你打算讓台灣的農業對美進口的關稅降到零嗎沒有我沒有這樣講現在目前黃豆跟玉米本身的關稅就是零了本來就是零那因為零關稅的話我說整體因為我在今天在講整體是百分之五現在是平均是百分之五"},{"start":260.093,"end":280.082,"text":"那我剛才說的就是當這個五次總平均那是有一些關稅低的時候是對我們台灣有利的因為當是原物料的部分我們希望它低一點是可以的所以我在問整體嘛所以我想問一下就是因為有學者認為台灣的整個農業的三大核心是稻米豬肉跟雞肉"},{"start":280.922,"end":298.324,"text":"那這部分退讓的時候可能影響會非常的巨大尤其是稻米的部分對於稻米部分的時候我們目前跟那個國際這邊的一個標準是怎麼樣子我跟委員報告就是你剛才提到的稻米豬肉跟雞肉那其實我一直強調就是農業"},{"start":300.066,"end":317.199,"text":"負有一個非常重要的糧食安全的一個責任所以在談判的過程中我們一定會秉持著我們的糧食安全然後我們要讓我們的農民的收益能夠確保讓我們的產業能夠永續發展在這幾個前提之下我們才會去討論一些比較細的原則"},{"start":318.34,"end":340.945,"text":"理解喔 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