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00:02:38,312\n那我们右边这个114年到现在为止就已经54个了现在5月底54个所以我们还有后半年我们会持续再来推广所以这个今年的人数应该会超过去年113年那成为委员的指导我们怎么样强化办办的成效那除了\n\n9\n00:02:39,613 --> 00:02:53,904\n產訓之外我們今年會擴大產學之外要跟產訓來合作如果訓出來馬上就就業我想這是最理想那怎麼樣去把這兩個人結合我想我們就業處副處長跟你做說明\n\n10\n00:02:54,104 --> 00:02:59,828\n好因為本席其實你說這個報名額度比如說你看113年來講好了ChecktheGPTOpenAI這個都是現在很夯的但是你看這個訓額是120人但是培訓只培訓了84人\n\n11\n00:03:10,615 --> 00:03:16,136\n那麼培訓能不能直接到就業這個當然還要看市場上的需求可是你看114年度有關AI的相關課程尤其是AI大數據的分析或者是中階經理人的AI管理培訓班或者是確認GPT或OpenAI的應用培訓班那滿額加起來是90人但是其實培訓只有54人就是只多了一半以上一點點\n\n12\n00:03:38,422 --> 00:03:45,288\n那麼這個是不是對於我們來說就是現在目前不是他們需要的那如果是這樣我覺得很可惜那如果是這樣是因為原因可不可以讓我們知道是宣傳不夠還是在實務面回饋上面認為其實這個不是他們需要的他們更需要的可能是別的那別的包方面到底又是什麼這個可不可以有一個報告給我\n\n13\n00:04:06,311 --> 00:04:11,203\n是可以我們就業處已經說明了副處長有沒有要說明的是\n\n14\n00:04:11,684 --> 00:04:37,026\n委員好我是就業就業處謝謝委員的指導我想我們在AI就是如同黃仁勳教父所提到的它現在是國家還有企業產業不可或缺的一環我們輔導會的規劃除了我們固定的執行中心有班次之外我們在這個層面上面我們也多多的來努力雖然數據顯示好像有一些開班不足\n\n15\n00:04:37,506 --> 00:05:04,013\n或者是他們的人數就業沒有那麼多但是我想我們這是一直在努力的空間那我們執訓中心會根據每年我們退出役官兵他們的需求我們會做一個先期的調查就比方我們在各縣市有一個國軍退退官兵的全域說明會或者是我們利用各種的這種輔導會就業的場合我們會先瞭解他們的需求然後再做開班的準備\n\n16\n00:05:04,733 --> 00:05:17,460\n那有關於委員提到這一點我們在辦班的成效上面我們除了了解這些學員不好意思副處長想要讓你回答但是因為今天時間比較短我希望會後你們給我一個很明確的就是調查跟了解因為這麼夯的課程但是會顯然覺得我們退出區的官兵他其實不見得那麼需要那麼請你把是宣傳的問題\n\n17\n00:05:30,547 --> 00:05:31,368\n還是所謂的開課的選舉的問題你們就會後給我一個報告好不好那個多久時間\n\n18\n00:05:38,597 --> 00:05:50,903\n我們在一個月好一個月給你們一個月的時間好好的做一個這個相關的了解那麼交給我們本席以及我們這個國防教委員會好另外在下一個問題我要問的這個問題其實在2024年也就是去年的監察院的報告其實已經特別點出來了就是我們在這個所謂山地的農場的部分當然是有委外管理但是在平地的農場的部分\n\n19\n00:06:02,708 --> 00:06:05,791\n台東農場南北之間竟然有230公里一個人就要管106公頃那麼彰化農場更誇張雖然它叫彰化農場可是它竟然是北起淡水南到恆春一個人從北到南只有10個人在管理所以一個人平均是27.43公頃\n\n20\n00:06:24,229 --> 00:06:30,072\n那麼其實本席要提醒的是在這樣一個服務員糧貨底下但是管理卻人數不足他就會常常出現變成是有些人惡意的去侵佔來使用又或者是侵倒廢棄物那麼事實上在去年監察院的報告已經特別提醒如果說今天退服會無法有效的使用這些人力就應該趕快依法\n\n21\n00:06:52,543 --> 00:07:02,651\n依規來做辦理把它改變成所謂的非公用的土地可以把它移交給財政部的國產署那麼國產署也可以讓它有利於在需要的機關做使用那麼我想問的很簡單因為時間已經到了就是請問一下退府會現在面對這種所謂人力不足但是危戰或者是侵盜廢棄物的狀況\n\n22\n00:07:17,842 --> 00:07:32,473\n你們有瞭解嗎監察院都已經在去年9月提出報告之後有沒有要檢討又或者有沒有要做進一步移交到財政部國產署的打算報告委員會前事業處處長跟你說好委員好我是事業處處長楊長正謝謝委員關心這個議題所以我講人員不足的問題因為人事行政總署有規範我們總收入平地農場的15%是用人的上限\n\n23\n00:07:45,803 --> 00:08:10,776\n目前為止已經達到上限了當然為了解決這個問題我想我們採取兩個步驟第一個增加農場的收入第二個當然跟人事行政總署去爭取這個希望能夠彈性給我們運用因為目前為止我們國內的薪資不斷的調漲這個15%的上限是已經沒辦法滿足農場的需求了所以說我們不管是台東農場\n\n24\n00:08:11,857 --> 00:08:41,240\n或者是彰化農場我們採取了第一個很多委營很多BOT案來增加它的收入也跟在地的小農合作來開發特色產品譬如台東農場我們跟永川米合作開發台東的香米在這個方面我們來增加收入它就可以增加人員的聘用那另外一個就是您講到檢察院提出來我們被佔用的問題事實上佔用問題我們近三年來台佔率大概百分之八十幾\n\n25\n00:08:41,900 --> 00:08:56,944\n所以已經很少了另外青島廢棄物大概是十幾年前在屏東一個廠子我們也納入管制這個措施另外我們採取跟國土策略中心合作我們今年也預計採購在我們國內自行生產的無人機來加強這個巡管所以這方面問題我們可以逐一來克服謝謝委員\n\n26\n00:09:03,646 --> 00:09:08,687\n好所以說相關的這個部分確實因為人總有規定總額但是我還是希望在這個所謂平地農場的管理上面還是必須要與時俱進像你剛剛提到的無人機我覺得就是一個非常好的方式但是對於說這些真正閒置的土地而被違法所謂侵佔的部分我覺得除了退伏會需要處理之外也可以去思考\n\n27\n00:09:25,751 --> 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我是就業就業處謝謝委員的指導我想我們在AI就是如同黃仁勳教父所提到的它現在是國家還有企業產業不可或缺的一環我們輔導會的規劃除了我們固定的執行中心有班次之外我們在這個層面上面我們也多多的來努力雖然數據顯示好像有一些開班不足\n277506\t304013\t或者是他們的人數就業沒有那麼多但是我想我們這是一直在努力的空間那我們執訓中心會根據每年我們退出役官兵他們的需求我們會做一個先期的調查就比方我們在各縣市有一個國軍退退官兵的全域說明會或者是我們利用各種的這種輔導會就業的場合我們會先瞭解他們的需求然後再做開班的準備\n304733\t317460\t那有關於委員提到這一點我們在辦班的成效上面我們除了了解這些學員不好意思副處長想要讓你回答但是因為今天時間比較短我希望會後你們給我一個很明確的就是調查跟了解因為這麼夯的課程但是會顯然覺得我們退出區的官兵他其實不見得那麼需要那麼請你把是宣傳的問題\n330547\t331368\t還是所謂的開課的選舉的問題你們就會後給我一個報告好不好 那個多久 時間\n338597\t350903\t我們在一個月好一個月給你們一個月的時間好好的做一個這個相關的了解那麼交給我們本席以及我們這個國防教委員會好另外在下一個問題我要問的這個問題其實在2024年也就是去年的監察院的報告其實已經特別點出來了就是我們在這個所謂山地的農場的部分當然是有委外管理但是在平地的農場的部分\n362708\t365791\t台東農場南北之間竟然有230公里一個人就要管106公頃那麼彰化農場更誇張雖然它叫彰化農場可是它竟然是北起淡水南到恆春一個人從北到南只有10個人在管理所以一個人平均是27.43公頃\n384229\t390072\t那麼其實本席要提醒的是在這樣一個服務員糧貨底下但是管理卻人數不足他就會常常出現變成是有些人惡意的去侵佔來使用又或者是侵倒廢棄物那麼事實上在去年監察院的報告已經特別提醒如果說今天退服會無法有效的使用這些人力就應該趕快依法\n412543\t422651\t依規來做辦理把它改變成所謂的非公用的土地可以把它移交給財政部的國產署那麼國產署也可以讓它有利於在需要的機關做使用那麼我想問的很簡單因為時間已經到了就是請問一下退府會現在面對這種所謂人力不足但是危戰或者是侵盜廢棄物的狀況\n437842\t452473\t你們有瞭解嗎 監察院都已經在去年9月提出報告之後有沒有要檢討 又或者有沒有要做進一步移交到財政部國產署的打算報告委員會前事業處處長跟你說好 委員好 我是事業處處長楊長正謝謝委員關心這個議題所以我講人員不足的問題因為人事行政總署有規範我們總收入平地農場的15%是用人的上限\n465803\t490776\t目前為止已經達到上限了當然為了解決這個問題我想我們採取兩個步驟第一個增加農場的收入第二個當然跟人事行政總署去爭取這個希望能夠彈性給我們運用因為目前為止我們國內的薪資不斷的調漲這個15%的上限是已經沒辦法滿足農場的需求了所以說我們不管是台東農場\n491857\t521240\t或者是彰化農場我們採取了第一個很多委營很多BOT案來增加它的收入也跟在地的小農合作來開發特色產品譬如台東農場我們跟永川米合作開發台東的香米在這個方面我們來增加收入它就可以增加人員的聘用那另外一個就是您講到檢察院提出來我們被佔用的問題事實上佔用問題我們近三年來台佔率大概百分之八十幾\n521900\t536944\t所以已經很少了另外青島廢棄物大概是十幾年前在屏東一個廠子我們也納入管制這個措施另外我們採取跟國土策略中心合作我們今年也預計採購在我們國內自行生產的無人機來加強這個巡管所以這方面問題我們可以逐一來克服謝謝委員\n543646\t548687\t好 所以說相關的這個部分確實因為人總有規定總額但是我還是希望在這個所謂平地農場的管理上面還是必須要與時俱進像你剛剛提到的無人機我覺得就是一個非常好的方式但是對於說這些真正閒置的土地而被違法所謂侵佔的部分我覺得除了退伏會需要處理之外也可以去思考\n565751\t590017\t如果真的在退福衛的管理上面有問題的時候是不是要做其他的打算把它釋出然後交給財政部然後的國產署來做統一的規劃這也是一個方法否則對於很多侵占人來講反正這個上有政策下有對策這個無人機或是人員巡過去了沒事那我就繼續站那這個其實是我認為在對於國有土地的使用上面是絕對無法接受的部分好 謝謝謝謝委員長指導\n","txt":"謝謝主席 主席有請言諸位有請言諸位 謝謝\n主委早我們知道其實在您轄下剛剛除了有這個醫療系統的問題的話其實本席比較關注的就是有關於退輔會在開班授課這個部分我們都知道因為黃仁勳現在確定要落腳在台灣所以AI變成不只是風潮黃仁勳也特別提醒就是希望台灣能夠落實所謂的AI教育\n本席特別關注了我們現在退輔會所開的這些課程當中其實我自己看了我都很想上比如說怎麼樣使用ChatGPT啊那麼如何在這個AI OpenAI上面的應用啊\n但是很奇怪的卻是招生人數反而普遍不足那麼就業率更不理想那麼我其實比較想問的是說這樣的一個課程北中南都開了而且這種現在最夯的chatGTP或者是OpenAI的使用或者是AI大數據的分析\n我覺得如果回到我們產業面或者是現在的一般的就職市場這應該是非常有競爭力的但是為什麼會出現普遍招生不足的狀況這到底有沒有去了解是\n宣傳不足還是說對於我們這些退輔會的我們這些已經退役的弟兄來說他們這不是他們想要學習的部分因為畢竟開課不是為開而開也不是為了說現在這個議題很夯那麼我們來做這個開課來做訓練畢竟還是要調整到他們的需求那麼這個部分可不可以請主委或者是這應該是我們就學就業處的\n副處長嗎 好 是不是可以聊一下因為本席真的非常好奇謝謝委員的關心我想AI在我們國家的產業企業是不可或缺的一環現在非常的重要 它是屬於高科技的一個應用委員的這個表是113年就業人數61個人 那是全年 一年是\n那我们右边这个114年到现在为止就已经54个了现在5月底54个所以我们还有后半年我们会持续再来推广所以这个今年的人数应该会超过去年113年那成为委员的指导我们怎么样强化办办的成效那除了\n產訓之外我們今年會擴大產學之外要跟產訓來合作如果訓出來馬上就就業我想這是最理想那怎麼樣去把這兩個人結合我想我們就業處副處長跟你做說明\n好因為本席其實你說這個報名額度比如說你看113年來講好了Check the GPT Open AI這個都是現在很夯的但是你看這個訓額是120人但是培訓只培訓了84人\n那麼培訓能不能直接到就業這個當然還要看市場上的需求可是你看114年度有關AI的相關課程尤其是AI大數據的分析或者是中階經理人的AI管理培訓班或者是確認GPT或OpenAI的應用培訓班那滿額加起來是90人但是其實培訓只有54人就是只多了一半以上一點點\n那麼這個是不是對於我們來說就是現在目前不是他們需要的那如果是這樣我覺得很可惜那如果是這樣是因為原因可不可以讓我們知道是宣傳不夠還是在實務面回饋上面認為其實這個不是他們需要的他們更需要的可能是別的那別的包方面到底又是什麼這個可不可以有一個報告給我\n是 可以我們就業處已經說明了副處長有沒有要說明的是\n委員好 我是就業就業處謝謝委員的指導我想我們在AI就是如同黃仁勳教父所提到的它現在是國家還有企業產業不可或缺的一環我們輔導會的規劃除了我們固定的執行中心有班次之外我們在這個層面上面我們也多多的來努力雖然數據顯示好像有一些開班不足\n或者是他們的人數就業沒有那麼多但是我想我們這是一直在努力的空間那我們執訓中心會根據每年我們退出役官兵他們的需求我們會做一個先期的調查就比方我們在各縣市有一個國軍退退官兵的全域說明會或者是我們利用各種的這種輔導會就業的場合我們會先瞭解他們的需求然後再做開班的準備\n那有關於委員提到這一點我們在辦班的成效上面我們除了了解這些學員不好意思副處長想要讓你回答但是因為今天時間比較短我希望會後你們給我一個很明確的就是調查跟了解因為這麼夯的課程但是會顯然覺得我們退出區的官兵他其實不見得那麼需要那麼請你把是宣傳的問題\n還是所謂的開課的選舉的問題你們就會後給我一個報告好不好 那個多久 時間\n我們在一個月好一個月給你們一個月的時間好好的做一個這個相關的了解那麼交給我們本席以及我們這個國防教委員會好另外在下一個問題我要問的這個問題其實在2024年也就是去年的監察院的報告其實已經特別點出來了就是我們在這個所謂山地的農場的部分當然是有委外管理但是在平地的農場的部分\n台東農場南北之間竟然有230公里一個人就要管106公頃那麼彰化農場更誇張雖然它叫彰化農場可是它竟然是北起淡水南到恆春一個人從北到南只有10個人在管理所以一個人平均是27.43公頃\n那麼其實本席要提醒的是在這樣一個服務員糧貨底下但是管理卻人數不足他就會常常出現變成是有些人惡意的去侵佔來使用又或者是侵倒廢棄物那麼事實上在去年監察院的報告已經特別提醒如果說今天退服會無法有效的使用這些人力就應該趕快依法\n依規來做辦理把它改變成所謂的非公用的土地可以把它移交給財政部的國產署那麼國產署也可以讓它有利於在需要的機關做使用那麼我想問的很簡單因為時間已經到了就是請問一下退府會現在面對這種所謂人力不足但是危戰或者是侵盜廢棄物的狀況\n你們有瞭解嗎 監察院都已經在去年9月提出報告之後有沒有要檢討 又或者有沒有要做進一步移交到財政部國產署的打算報告委員會前事業處處長跟你說好 委員好 我是事業處處長楊長正謝謝委員關心這個議題所以我講人員不足的問題因為人事行政總署有規範我們總收入平地農場的15%是用人的上限\n目前為止已經達到上限了當然為了解決這個問題我想我們採取兩個步驟第一個增加農場的收入第二個當然跟人事行政總署去爭取這個希望能夠彈性給我們運用因為目前為止我們國內的薪資不斷的調漲這個15%的上限是已經沒辦法滿足農場的需求了所以說我們不管是台東農場\n或者是彰化農場我們採取了第一個很多委營很多BOT案來增加它的收入也跟在地的小農合作來開發特色產品譬如台東農場我們跟永川米合作開發台東的香米在這個方面我們來增加收入它就可以增加人員的聘用那另外一個就是您講到檢察院提出來我們被佔用的問題事實上佔用問題我們近三年來台佔率大概百分之八十幾\n所以已經很少了另外青島廢棄物大概是十幾年前在屏東一個廠子我們也納入管制這個措施另外我們採取跟國土策略中心合作我們今年也預計採購在我們國內自行生產的無人機來加強這個巡管所以這方面問題我們可以逐一來克服謝謝委員\n好 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