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00:02:05,862\n報告委員我個人的看法中共沒有放棄武力犯台這是它目前的做法它沒有放棄武力犯台所以它必須運用一些它自己的配套包含從最堅強的堡壘從內部要突破那就是滲透破壞所以它的最近可以看到的不管國安局或報章雜誌我們看到的披露的這些都是事實\n\n6\n00:02:07,163 --> 00:02:21,278\n這是他正在進行是在做的所以我剛剛前面我也回答沈昭偉的報告我們現在也在修輔導條例32條第一項的第四款要增訂所以符合比例原則\n\n7\n00:02:22,239 --> 00:02:40,674\n那輔導條例本來就是它規範我們榮民的音響的權益但是這是符合比率就是當你如果不守法破壞了國家安全那我們當然要遵循這些一些條例來給你一些做一些規範維護國家的安全跟鞏固\n\n8\n00:02:41,314 --> 00:02:59,316\n我們國家的安全防止中共的不法滲透那除此之外我想我們平常的宣導最重要第一個就是要堅定我們農民退役官民的愛國信念忠於國家忠於人民農民在哪裡服務到哪裡所以我們退伍會強化我們的服務工作\n\n9\n00:03:00,337 --> 00:03:25,922\n服务工作让他感受到国家对他们报国从功的一个表征感受到这是第一个从根本上来做第二个当然是这些宣导是很重要的包含我们农服处对区域的这些退役的军人民众我们应用的服务组组长包含这些退伍军人组织我们的联系我们也请了战略顾问资深的\n\n10\n00:03:26,802 --> 00:03:50,677\n戰略顧問出來到協助我們到各個北東南東去做一些巡迴一些演講主要就是把中共他對台滲透的策略做一個宣導訊息尤其是案例目的也就是強化我們退役軍人的一個愛國建立愛國的信念以及防止中共的這些不法讓他們了解現在到底是什麼個環境這些都在目前正在推動當中謝謝委員好\n\n11\n00:03:52,958 --> 00:04:11,594\n本席是相信大部分的退伍徒的國軍其實都是非常愛國的啦所以我是想說但是每一個團體難免還是會有一些害群之馬所以一旦涉及不法就會危及到國家的安全所以我是想說退伍會還是把它當成未來工作重點規劃好嗎\n\n12\n00:04:12,975 --> 00:04:18,140\n謝謝委員然後接下來上個月本席跟立法院台美國會聯誼會組團到美國拜訪然後在美國5月2號的時候我們代表團特別撥控到我們國防部在美國華盛頓的駐美軍的軍事代表團當天本席有一些注意到代表團辦公室上面的空間很大\n\n13\n00:04:34,957 --> 00:04:37,458\n然後我經過詢問說是你們退伍會的退伍軍人事務組人員在那邊何屬辦公那請問一下主委就是說退伍會是不是有派人進駐在美國駐美軍的軍事代表處辦公室裡面何屬辦公呢還有就是說那編制是有幾位呢然後什麼時候進駐的然後派駐的時候需要美國的AIT的同意嗎還有他們主要的任務是什麼\n\n14\n00:05:01,565 --> 00:05:07,493\n從去美國到現在他們有什麼成效呢他們在美國進行相關活動的時候是不是需要回報給退伍會知道還有退伍會對他們有些有何業務上面的執行上面的要求呢可不可以請主委一一說明\n\n15\n00:05:18,491 --> 00:05:43,576\n報告委員,我們並沒有在國防部的軍事代表處下面來,我們沒有但是我們有自己退輔會駐外的退協的一個聯絡處,我們有兩個人這個地方是在駐美軍代表團的樓上嗎?在華府在華府,你跟委員說明一下\n\n16\n00:05:44,706 --> 00:05:56,253\n委員我是服務商務處處長我們有派駐兩位同仁在華府他是在駐美代表處他不是在美軍的軍事代表處\n\n17\n00:06:00,435 --> 00:06:20,430\n他主要是對我們協助我們對這個對美軍的退伍軍人的組織還有就是照顧我們在外面的駐美的這些榮光會還有我們的這個駐美的這個榮民所以他們很多美國進行的相關活動會回報給退伍會嗎\n\n18\n00:06:23,226 --> 00:06:49,475\n有關退伍軍人的活動他們有去參加他們就會回報給我們那退伍會對他們有沒有什麼業務上面的執行上面的要求需要一些什麼什麼樣的成效他們就是加強跟美國退伍軍人協會的一個聯繫跟互訪然後呢強化彼此之間的一個情誼然後支持我們這個支持我們國家相關的一些政策\n\n19\n00:06:51,260 --> 00:07:02,092\n好其實北京是期許退伍會真的能夠為了增加台灣的國際能見度要有所幫助啦所以讓台美兩國的退伍軍人交流的管道能夠更順暢謝謝謝謝委員謝謝林運勳委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n427\t3429\t謝謝主席 有請嚴主委嚴委好主委好退伍會主要的業務是統籌辦理退除役官兵相關的事務那有關退除役的軍人的保防的問題是不是也算是退伍會的責任\n28559\t36267\t對於軍人的保藏保防的問題是不是也是 保防是我們的宣導因為我之所以要這樣問是因為最近發生太多的共諜的問題所以本席不得不擔心所以想請教一下主委面對最近這幾年中共解放軍想很多方法想要吸收和滲透我們的國軍\n49179\t53361\t根據國安局今年的1月12號發布的共諜案的滲透手法的分析報告裡面就有人提出了警告因為去年遭到起訴的共諜案有64個人是2021年4倍所以重點是竟然超過一半都是現役及退役的軍人那當然聽說主委你還特別針對共諜的問題有叮嚀你們的退出役官兵要提高警覺\n75310\t83733\t而且在今年一月份的榮光雙週刊裡面還有退伍會的例行的 月會上面有呼籲退除一官兵必須要堅定愛國的信念守護了國家的安全所以我想主委你個人認為這幾年共諜案為什麼會突然有高倍數的成長還有是不是表示現在不管是現役或是退役居民恐怕都已經成為了中共對台滲透的主要的鎖定的對象呢\n103081\t125862\t報告委員 我個人的看法 中共沒有放棄武力犯台 這是它目前的做法它沒有放棄武力犯台 所以它必須運用一些它自己的配套包含從最堅強的堡壘從內部要突破 那就是滲透破壞所以它的最近可以看到的 不管國安局或報章雜誌我們看到的 披露的 這些都是事實\n127163\t141278\t這是他正在進行是在做的所以我剛剛前面我也回答沈昭偉的報告我們現在也在修輔導條例32條第一項的第四款要增訂所以符合比例原則\n142239\t160674\t那輔導條例本來就是它規範我們榮民的音響的權益但是這是符合比率就是當你如果不守法破壞了國家安全那我們當然要遵循這些一些條例來給你一些做一些規範維護國家的安全跟鞏固\n161314\t179316\t我們國家的安全防止中共的不法滲透那除此之外我想我們平常的宣導最重要第一個就是要堅定我們農民退役官民的愛國信念忠於國家忠於人民農民在哪裡服務到哪裡所以我們退伍會強化我們的服務工作\n180337\t205922\t服务工作让他感受到国家对他们报国从功的一个表征感受到这是第一个从根本上来做第二个当然是这些宣导是很重要的包含我们农服处对区域的这些退役的军人民众我们应用的服务组组长包含这些退伍军人组织我们的联系我们也请了战略顾问资深的\n206802\t230677\t戰略顧問出來到 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其實北京是期許退伍會真的能夠為了增加台灣的國際能見度要有所幫助啦所以讓台美兩國的退伍軍人交流的管道能夠更順暢謝謝 謝謝委員謝謝林運勳委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請嚴主委嚴委好主委好退伍會主要的業務是統籌辦理退除役官兵相關的事務那有關退除役的軍人的保防的問題是不是也算是退伍會的責任\n對於軍人的保藏保防的問題是不是也是 保防是我們的宣導因為我之所以要這樣問是因為最近發生太多的共諜的問題所以本席不得不擔心所以想請教一下主委面對最近這幾年中共解放軍想很多方法想要吸收和滲透我們的國軍\n根據國安局今年的1月12號發布的共諜案的滲透手法的分析報告裡面就有人提出了警告因為去年遭到起訴的共諜案有64個人是2021年4倍所以重點是竟然超過一半都是現役及退役的軍人那當然聽說主委你還特別針對共諜的問題有叮嚀你們的退出役官兵要提高警覺\n而且在今年一月份的榮光雙週刊裡面還有退伍會的例行的 月會上面有呼籲退除一官兵必須要堅定愛國的信念守護了國家的安全所以我想主委你個人認為這幾年共諜案為什麼會突然有高倍數的成長還有是不是表示現在不管是現役或是退役居民恐怕都已經成為了中共對台滲透的主要的鎖定的對象呢\n報告委員 我個人的看法 中共沒有放棄武力犯台 這是它目前的做法它沒有放棄武力犯台 所以它必須運用一些它自己的配套包含從最堅強的堡壘從內部要突破 那就是滲透破壞所以它的最近可以看到的 不管國安局或報章雜誌我們看到的 披露的 這些都是事實\n這是他正在進行是在做的所以我剛剛前面我也回答沈昭偉的報告我們現在也在修輔導條例32條第一項的第四款要增訂所以符合比例原則\n那輔導條例本來就是它規範我們榮民的音響的權益但是這是符合比率就是當你如果不守法破壞了國家安全那我們當然要遵循這些一些條例來給你一些做一些規範維護國家的安全跟鞏固\n我們國家的安全防止中共的不法滲透那除此之外我想我們平常的宣導最重要第一個就是要堅定我們農民退役官民的愛國信念忠於國家忠於人民農民在哪裡服務到哪裡所以我們退伍會強化我們的服務工作\n服务工作让他感受到国家对他们报国从功的一个表征感受到这是第一个从根本上来做第二个当然是这些宣导是很重要的包含我们农服处对区域的这些退役的军人民众我们应用的服务组组长包含这些退伍军人组织我们的联系我们也请了战略顾问资深的\n戰略顧問出來到 協助我們到各個北東南東去做一些巡迴一些演講主要就是把中共他對台滲透的策略做一個宣導訊息尤其是案例目的也就是強化我們退役軍人的一個愛國建立愛國的信念以及防止中共的這些不法讓他們了解現在到底是什麼個環境這些都在目前正在推動當中謝謝委員好\n本席是相信大部分的退伍徒的國軍其實都是非常愛國的啦所以我是想說但是每一個團體難免還是會有一些害群之馬所以一旦涉及不法就會危及到國家的安全所以我是想說退伍會還是把它當成未來工作重點規劃好嗎\n謝謝委員然後接下來上個月本席跟立法院台美國會聯誼會組團到美國拜訪然後在美國5月2號的時候我們代表團特別撥控到我們國防部在美國華盛頓的駐美軍的軍事代表團當天本席有一些注意到代表團辦公室上面的空間很大\n然後我經過詢問說是你們退伍會的退伍軍人事務組人員在那邊何屬辦公那請問一下主委就是說退伍會是不是有派人進駐在美國駐美軍的軍事代表處辦公室裡面何屬辦公呢還有就是說那編制是有幾位呢然後什麼時候進駐的然後派駐的時候需要美國的AIT的同意嗎還有他們主要的任務是什麼\n從去美國到現在他們有什麼成效呢他們在美國進行相關活動的時候是不是需要回報給退伍會知道還有退伍會對他們有些有何業務上面的執行上面的要求呢可不可以請主委一一說明\n報告委員,我們並沒有在國防部的軍事代表處下面來,我們沒有但是我們有自己退輔會駐外的退協的一個聯絡處,我們有兩個人這個地方是在駐美軍代表團的樓上嗎?在華府在華府,你跟委員說明一下\n委員我是服務商務處處長我們有派駐兩位同仁在華府他是在駐美代表處他不是在美軍的軍事代表處\n他主要是對我們協助我們對這個對美軍的退伍軍人的組織還有就是照顧我們在外面的駐美的這些榮光會還有我們的這個駐美的這個榮民所以他們很多美國進行的相關活動會回報給退伍會嗎\n有關退伍軍人的活動他們有去參加他們就會回報給我們那退伍會對他們有沒有什麼業務上面的執行上面的要求需要一些什麼什麼樣的成效他們就是加強跟美國退伍軍人協會的一個聯繫跟互訪然後呢強化彼此之間的一個情誼然後支持我們這個支持我們國家相關的一些政策\n好 其實北京是期許退伍會真的能夠為了增加台灣的國際能見度要有所幫助啦所以讓台美兩國的退伍軍人交流的管道能夠更順暢謝謝 謝謝委員謝謝林運勳委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.427 --> 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