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--> 00:03:28,058\n現在問題就來了誰在台灣NCC啊我們堂堂的行政院院長卓榮泰我也不曉得要怎麼去形容他講話他講話跟放空氣一樣講話不算話到現在名單也沒送來我不知道NCC\n\n9\n00:03:47,614 --> 00:04:15,156\n交通委員會的委員今天會不會同意解凍但我是充滿了困惑充滿了困惑誰在癱瘓NCC行政部名單都不送出來來我問下一個問題現在原來提名的那四個人有一個因為NCC組織法的修正已經完全不符合資格嗎\n\n10\n00:04:16,479 --> 00:04:40,604\n那本來的那份名單還有三個人本來提名的名單行政院要撤回嗎這部分應該是大院跟行政院互動的議題我這邊沒有角色立場來評論這不是我們單純的跟行政院互動的問題啊因為行政院把名單送來立法院嘛\n\n11\n00:04:41,857 --> 00:05:10,654\n我有跟議事處的人確認確認這份名單到目前為止沒有撤回到目前為止沒有撤回但我們覺得很困惑總統他又說他要提一份新的名單然後新的名單也不送來所以原來的名單主委你認為剩下來的三個人本院到底應該就這剩下的三個人現在\n\n12\n00:05:12,424 --> 00:05:40,035\n啟動審查程序還是要等靜靜的等等我們行政院院長卓榮泰的通知看他有沒有要重新送名單這一部分NCC會我個人沒有立場來評議這件事情沒關係按照你現在作為NCC代理主委本來那三個在名單上面還具有資格的那三個人他們有沒有向行政院表達執意\n\n13\n00:05:42,250 --> 00:06:09,579\n所以我不想接受行政院提名了你有沒有掌握這個資訊不得而知不得而知喔奇怪連我都聽說了代理主委不得而知了你的情報網路比我還差因為那是非正式的所以不再自己表述OK張偉啊我不是交通委員會的委員啦那但我覺得交通委員會的委員我\n\n14\n00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:31,865\n虛心誠懇的建議可能要考慮一下因為現在卓榮泰擺爛卓榮泰擺爛全台灣人民拿他沒皮條他愛怎麼搞就怎麼搞卓榮泰擺爛癱瘓NCC代理主委站在那邊也很無奈\n\n15\n00:06:32,881 --> 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