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00:00:41,492\n主委你好我記得2011年NCC有發布一個兒少通訊傳播權益的政策白皮書那當時也提出幾個口號像寓教於樂啦健康安全啦平等禁用等等目標他也希望能夠提出內容的一個分級制度以及要建立兒少\n\n3\n00:00:42,033 --> 00:00:44,821\n友善的媒體環境等等這些目標\n\n4\n00:00:48,158 --> 00:01:15,757\n這份兒少白皮書其實已經經過14年了那它其實早已經沒有辦法面對現在的這種數位的環境那當初這個通訊傳播的權益主要是比較面對相關的廣播電視有線無線電視以及剛起步的這個數位環境但現在已經不一樣了我們看到現在兒少所接觸的媒體\n\n5\n00:01:17,199 --> 00:01:43,153\n已經是像這個短眼音社群平台還有這種串流的平台等等這樣的一個最主要的接收的一個來源那這些平台啊我們看它有一些演算法商業化的核心場域或者是收集兒少的個資甚至有一些不當內容這些不當內容的\n\n6\n00:01:45,914 --> 00:01:54,240\n推播啊潛在的不當內容的推播其實也屢見不鮮啊那NCC我知道在去年\n\n7\n00:01:55,947 --> 00:02:20,878\n2024年7月有公布一個初稿這個初稿就是網際網路傳播政策的白皮書還是一個初稿那當然初稿裡面我看有提出說維護使用者權益或建立安全可靠的這一種信賴環境等等但是對於兒少的這樣的一個結構的脆弱性內容是明顯的不足\n\n8\n00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:46,695\n那我請問一下主委我們這個NCC今年要提出NCC現在所要提出的這個網際網路傳播政策白皮書目前的架構是怎樣來說明一下是否有針對兒少的結構它的脆弱性有提出更多的防護以及應對的措施來說明一下\n\n9\n00:02:47,355 --> 00:03:06,763\n好那跟我們報告這部分我們其實在2011年版本以後在每個個案的一些落實上在我們既有的作用法的範圍內都有處理那剛剛委員提到說在網際網路這一塊的話那我們是因為目前國內沒有相應的作用法但是根據行政院的分工原則\n\n10\n00:03:08,484 --> 00:03:38,044\n相關的事務跟實體世界是對接的那這一部分我們都會跟相關部會來協力那像NC這一塊的部分IWIN的設立的保障兒少的一些身心健康福利這一塊我們都會持續辦理那政策白皮書的部分我們現在已經有參酌各界的意見那未來會在委員會議可以組成的時候來進一步來挑定他的確定的版本這段期間我們還是持續請平台業者來相關要有一定的一個\n\n11\n00:03:39,185 --> 00:03:54,863\n持續落實自立然後也在民眾端來做一些教育宣導跟素養的培力部分好主委我們來看看啦我們在過去都希望平台自立啊是一個他們重要的責任那我們看看這個\n\n12\n00:03:56,064 --> 00:04:22,960\n在去年7月所公布的這個初稿就是網際網路傳播政策白皮書的初稿平台自立也是這個初稿裡面一個重要的願景但是平台自立還是有它的侷限性它缺乏平台的內容審查的透明性跟審查邏輯的一個說明另外也沒有申訴的制度或者是救濟的程序那言論自由\n\n13\n00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:42,797\n恐怕也會受到隱形的一個壓抑我們也清楚有這樣的一個問題那這樣排序等隱性的這種懲罰沒有資訊揭露的一個追溯的可能那像這種平台自立的問題啊那NCC的想法是怎樣政策對應是如何\n\n14\n00:04:44,406 --> 00:05:07,012\n是的跟我們回報大概分幾點第一點我們就是剛剛做製衣業的簡報提到關於申訴救濟這一塊我們會在沒有作用法之前我們會訂一個軟法就是訂定一個指引然後也會訂定多方利害關係人來運作的一些指引那至於其他部分細節部分我們師傅容我請我們主任來詳細說明一下主委我來趕快簡短說明\n\n15\n00:05:08,223 --> 00:05:28,884\n是那個委員剛才催詢的部分那我們就是說收集了各方的意見包括五個公民團體很重要的意見那其中有那個兒少的單位團體也給我們很多的指教包括希望說納入西亞系一些條款那我們就是說\n\n16\n00:05:30,306 --> 00:05:57,845\n未來會參佐相關的意見然後做一些調修那提到到時候委員會能夠合法組成的時候主委這種啊網路是公共論壇的一個重要的場域啦那其實我們看到民主先進國家歐美啊除了平台的自律之外有一個重要的國際趨勢就是將問責也逐步的納入那\n\n17\n00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:18,999\n我們要比照啊是不是會考慮比照歐盟或者是比照歐盟他們針對高風險的這種內容的推波還有演算法的一個歧視或者是帳號濫用的情形啊他們會進行風險評估跟定期的揭露報告我們會不會採取這樣的一個趨勢來說明一下是的\n\n18\n00:06:22,142 --> 00:06:47,679\n那早期歐盟的DSA這些機制我們當時也有跟國際來對接來處理那前幾年訂定的訴訟法是有這方面的一些接近的處理那因為當時社會各界沒有共識所以這邊暫時還沒有往前推進但是我們在這個沒有作用法的情況之下自律是也是舉世\n\n19\n00:06:48,780 --> 00:07:14,222\n各國主要的一些處理的一些方向我們這邊就強化治癒強化平台的自立跟透明透明包括剛剛委員提到的申訴救濟還有它演算法如果把你下架那些東西它的必須要機制透明所以我們才會剛剛跟委員報告說我們會先起來促進自立之外還要訂定一些指引來讓他們來遵循當然他們如果內容有違法有違反的話會有對應的一時的\n\n20\n00:07:17,345 --> 00:07:39,945\n機關來處理像兒少部門很多都是衛福主管機關來會有一些處理主委我們來看跨國平台其實我們看到我們監管的職責其實是不清的啦那NCC是否是主責其實這個也沒有說明的很清楚另外也沒有這一種跨國平台它有具體的落地\n\n21\n00:07:40,866 --> 00:07:54,921\n或者是他有沒有稅責的問題或者是有沒有審查的義務其實都造成了執法的一個真空那另外政府也缺乏這種對於兒少演算法這種風險\n\n22\n00:07:56,883 --> 00:08:09,934\n他的一個具體的政策空間那其實我認為我們面對跨國平台我們的政策因應不能只停留在國內的對話如果政府無從問責那無從規範這種\n\n23\n00:08:13,997 --> 00:08:38,396\n數位主權跟資訊的自治就會形成空談那NCC是不是會規劃我們應該跟蘇發部還有法務部衛福部等相關單位來研議是否成立這種跨部會的權責機制來明確的界定這種跨國平台的監管的執掌來\n\n24\n00:08:39,497 --> 00:08:59,010\n說明一下是的這一塊我們都持續收集國際的發展趨勢在國內部分也跟像數位部等等來同時來一併來協商處理討論特別是數位經濟跟廣告投放那一塊目前是比較明確是由數位部來處理那其他部分那會延續先前\n\n25\n00:09:01,418 --> 00:09:28,579\n最後因為時間的關係我簡單說明一下我們對數位治理責任我們的一個未來的展望那其實我們必須要重新檢視網際網路傳播政策白皮書這樣的一個粗搞的內容我有三點建議NCC必須由平台共識邁向制度的一個責任這是要做的\n\n26\n00:09:28,999 --> 00:09:38,431\n另外也儘速要對接國際法律的規範跟趨勢就是建立dutyofcare就是注意義務的這樣的一個規範另外我認為應該要優先處理兒少的隱私\n\n27\n00:09:45,879 --> 00:10:03,505\n風險的揭露以及資訊自主啊這三大核心的一個保障來主委讓你最後簡單的說明是那謝謝委員的提點這方面我們會持續來精進那像二哨隱私部分目前相關的IRIN的處理的量能部分\n\n28\n00:10:04,945 --> 00:10:33,204\n還搭配著兒少法相關的法尊一些執法跟業者的法尊部分我們都會持續來跟平台業者來持續溝通我們也有辦一些不管是找業者來做專業的培育跟民眾的素養培養IWIN處理的能量是明顯的不足對兒少網際網路權益的一個保障是明顯的不足了NCC要負起更大的責任是我們會努力\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3828\t12970\t謝謝召委 請一下陳代理主委陳代理主委你好\n14569\t41492\t主委你好我記得2011年NCC有發布一個兒少通訊傳播權益的政策白皮書那當時也提出幾個口號像寓教於樂啦健康安全啦平等禁用等等目標他也希望能夠提出內容的一個分級制度以及要建立兒少\n42033\t44821\t友善的媒體環境等等這些目標\n48158\t75757\t這份兒少白皮書其實已經經過14年了那它其實早已經沒有辦法面對現在的這種數位的環境那當初這個通訊傳播的權益主要是比較面對相關的廣播電視有線無線電視以及剛起步的這個數位環境但現在已經不一樣了我們看到現在兒少所接觸的媒體\n77199\t103153\t已經是像這個短眼音社群平台還有這種串流的平台等等這樣的一個最主要的接收的一個來源那這些平台啊我們看它有一些演算法商業化的核心場域或者是收集兒少的個資甚至有一些不當內容這些不當內容的\n105914\t114240\t推播啊潛在的不當內容的推播其實也屢見不鮮啊那NCC我知道在去年\n115947\t140878\t2024年7月有公布一個初稿這個初稿就是網際網路傳播政策的白皮書還是一個初稿那當然初稿裡面我看有提出說維護使用者權益或建立安全可靠的這一種信賴環境等等但是對於兒少的這樣的一個結構的脆弱性內容是明顯的不足\n141960\t166695\t那我請問一下主委我們這個NCC今年要提出NCC現在所要提出的這個網際網路傳播政策白皮書目前的架構是怎樣來說明一下是否有針對兒少的結構它的脆弱性有提出更多的防護以及應對的措施來說明一下\n167355\t186763\t好那跟我們報告這部分我們其實在2011年版本以後在每個個案的一些落實上在我們既有的作用法的範圍內都有處理那剛剛委員提到說在網際網路這一塊的話那我們是因為目前國內沒有相應的作用法但是根據行政院的分工原則\n188484\t218044\t相關的事務跟實體世界是對接的那這一部分我們都會跟相關部會來協力那像NC這一塊的部分IWIN的設立的保障兒少的一些身心健康福利這一塊我們都會持續辦理那政策白皮書的部分我們現在已經有參酌各界的意見那未來會在委員會議可以組成的時候來進一步來挑定他的確定的版本這段期間我們還是持續請平台業者來相關要有一定的一個\n219185\t234863\t持續落實自立然後也在民眾端來做一些教育宣導跟素養的培力部分好 主委我們來看看啦我們在過去都希望平台自立啊是一個他們重要的責任那我們看看這個\n236064\t262960\t在去年7月所公布的這個初稿就是網際網路傳播政策白皮書的初稿平台自立也是這個初稿裡面一個重要的願景但是平台自立還是有它的侷限性它缺乏平台的內容審查的透明性跟審查邏輯的一個說明另外也沒有申訴的制度或者是救濟的程序那言論自由\n263840\t282797\t恐怕也會受到隱形的一個壓抑我們也清楚有這樣的一個問題那這樣排序 等隱性的這種懲罰沒有資訊揭露的一個追溯的可能那像這種平台自立的問題啊那NCC的想法是怎樣 政策對應是如何\n284406\t307012\t是的跟我們回報大概分幾點 第一點我們就是剛剛做製衣業的簡報提到關於申訴救濟這一塊我們會在沒有作用法之前我們會訂一個軟法就是訂定一個指引然後也會訂定多方利害關係人來運作的一些指引那至於其他部分細節部分我們師傅容我請我們主任來詳細說明一下主委我來趕快簡短說明\n308223\t328884\t是那個委員剛才催詢的部分那我們就是說收集了各方的意見包括五個公民團體很重要的意見那其中有那個兒少的單位團體也給我們很多的指教包括希望說納入西亞系一些條款那我們就是說\n330306\t357845\t未來會參佐相關的意見然後做一些調修那提到到時候委員會能夠合法組成的時候主委這種啊網路是公共論壇的一個重要的場域啦那其實我們看到民主先進國家歐美啊除了平台的自律之外有一個重要的國際趨勢就是將問責也逐步的納入那\n358720\t378999\t我們要比照啊是不是會考慮比照歐盟或者是比照歐盟他們針對高風險的這種內容的推波還有演算法的一個歧視或者是帳號濫用的情形啊他們會進行風險評估跟定期的揭露報告我們會不會採取這樣的一個趨勢來說明一下是的\n382142\t407679\t那早期歐盟的DSA這些機制我們當時也有跟國際來對接來處理那前幾年訂定的訴訟法是有這方面的一些接近的處理那因為當時社會各界沒有共識所以這邊暫時還沒有往前推進但是我們在這個沒有作用法的情況之下自律是也是舉世\n408780\t434222\t各國主要的一些處理的一些方向我們這邊就強化治癒強化平台的自立跟透明透明包括剛剛委員提到的申訴救濟還有它演算法如果把你下架那些東西它的必須要機制透明所以我們才會剛剛跟委員報告說我們會先起來促進自立之外還要訂定一些指引來讓他們來遵循當然他們如果內容有違法有違反的話會有對應的一時的\n437345\t459945\t機關來處理像兒少部門很多都是衛福主管機關來會有一些處理主委我們來看跨國平台其實我們看到我們監管的職責其實是不清的啦那NCC是否是主責其實這個也沒有說明的很清楚另外也沒有這一種跨國平台它有具體的落地\n460866\t474921\t或者是他有沒有稅責的問題或者是有沒有審查的義務其實都造成了執法的一個真空那另外政府也缺乏這種對於兒少演算法這種風險\n476883\t489934\t他的一個具體的政策空間那其實我認為我們面對跨國平台我們的政策因應不能只停留在國內的對話如果政府無從問責那無從規範這種\n493997\t518396\t數位主權跟資訊的自治就會形成空談那NCC是不是會規劃我們應該跟蘇發部還有法務部衛福部等相關單位來研議是否成立這種跨部會的權責機制來明確的界定這種跨國平台的監管的執掌來\n519497\t539010\t說明一下是的這一塊我們都持續收集國際的發展趨勢在國內部分也跟像數位部等等來同時來一併來協商處理討論特別是數位經濟跟廣告投放那一塊目前是比較明確是由數位部來處理那其他部分那會延續先前\n541418\t568579\t最後因為時間的關係我簡單說明一下我們對數位治理責任我們的一個未來的展望那其實我們必須要重新檢視網際網路傳播政策白皮書這樣的一個粗搞的內容我有三點建議NCC必須由平台共識邁向制度的一個責任這是要做的\n568999\t578431\t另外也儘速要對接國際法律的規範跟趨勢就是建立duty of care就是注意義務的這樣的一個規範另外我認為應該要優先處理兒少的隱私\n585879\t603505\t風險的揭露以及資訊自主啊這三大核心的一個保障來主委讓你最後簡單的說明是那謝謝委員的提點這方面我們會持續來精進那像二哨隱私部分目前相關的IRIN的處理的量能部分\n604945\t633204\t還搭配著兒少法相關的法尊一些執法跟業者的法尊部分我們都會持續來跟平台業者來持續溝通我們也有辦一些不管是找業者來做專業的培育跟民眾的素養培養IWIN處理的能量是明顯的不足對兒少網際網路權益的一個保障是明顯的不足了NCC要負起更大的責任是 我們會努力\n634565\t635776\t謝謝韋營\n","txt":"謝謝召委 請一下陳代理主委陳代理主委你好\n主委你好我記得2011年NCC有發布一個兒少通訊傳播權益的政策白皮書那當時也提出幾個口號像寓教於樂啦健康安全啦平等禁用等等目標他也希望能夠提出內容的一個分級制度以及要建立兒少\n友善的媒體環境等等這些目標\n這份兒少白皮書其實已經經過14年了那它其實早已經沒有辦法面對現在的這種數位的環境那當初這個通訊傳播的權益主要是比較面對相關的廣播電視有線無線電視以及剛起步的這個數位環境但現在已經不一樣了我們看到現在兒少所接觸的媒體\n已經是像這個短眼音社群平台還有這種串流的平台等等這樣的一個最主要的接收的一個來源那這些平台啊我們看它有一些演算法商業化的核心場域或者是收集兒少的個資甚至有一些不當內容這些不當內容的\n推播啊潛在的不當內容的推播其實也屢見不鮮啊那NCC我知道在去年\n2024年7月有公布一個初稿這個初稿就是網際網路傳播政策的白皮書還是一個初稿那當然初稿裡面我看有提出說維護使用者權益或建立安全可靠的這一種信賴環境等等但是對於兒少的這樣的一個結構的脆弱性內容是明顯的不足\n那我請問一下主委我們這個NCC今年要提出NCC現在所要提出的這個網際網路傳播政策白皮書目前的架構是怎樣來說明一下是否有針對兒少的結構它的脆弱性有提出更多的防護以及應對的措施來說明一下\n好那跟我們報告這部分我們其實在2011年版本以後在每個個案的一些落實上在我們既有的作用法的範圍內都有處理那剛剛委員提到說在網際網路這一塊的話那我們是因為目前國內沒有相應的作用法但是根據行政院的分工原則\n相關的事務跟實體世界是對接的那這一部分我們都會跟相關部會來協力那像NC這一塊的部分IWIN的設立的保障兒少的一些身心健康福利這一塊我們都會持續辦理那政策白皮書的部分我們現在已經有參酌各界的意見那未來會在委員會議可以組成的時候來進一步來挑定他的確定的版本這段期間我們還是持續請平台業者來相關要有一定的一個\n持續落實自立然後也在民眾端來做一些教育宣導跟素養的培力部分好 主委我們來看看啦我們在過去都希望平台自立啊是一個他們重要的責任那我們看看這個\n在去年7月所公布的這個初稿就是網際網路傳播政策白皮書的初稿平台自立也是這個初稿裡面一個重要的願景但是平台自立還是有它的侷限性它缺乏平台的內容審查的透明性跟審查邏輯的一個說明另外也沒有申訴的制度或者是救濟的程序那言論自由\n恐怕也會受到隱形的一個壓抑我們也清楚有這樣的一個問題那這樣排序 等隱性的這種懲罰沒有資訊揭露的一個追溯的可能那像這種平台自立的問題啊那NCC的想法是怎樣 政策對應是如何\n是的跟我們回報大概分幾點 第一點我們就是剛剛做製衣業的簡報提到關於申訴救濟這一塊我們會在沒有作用法之前我們會訂一個軟法就是訂定一個指引然後也會訂定多方利害關係人來運作的一些指引那至於其他部分細節部分我們師傅容我請我們主任來詳細說明一下主委我來趕快簡短說明\n是那個委員剛才催詢的部分那我們就是說收集了各方的意見包括五個公民團體很重要的意見那其中有那個兒少的單位團體也給我們很多的指教包括希望說納入西亞系一些條款那我們就是說\n未來會參佐相關的意見然後做一些調修那提到到時候委員會能夠合法組成的時候主委這種啊網路是公共論壇的一個重要的場域啦那其實我們看到民主先進國家歐美啊除了平台的自律之外有一個重要的國際趨勢就是將問責也逐步的納入那\n我們要比照啊是不是會考慮比照歐盟或者是比照歐盟他們針對高風險的這種內容的推波還有演算法的一個歧視或者是帳號濫用的情形啊他們會進行風險評估跟定期的揭露報告我們會不會採取這樣的一個趨勢來說明一下是的\n那早期歐盟的DSA這些機制我們當時也有跟國際來對接來處理那前幾年訂定的訴訟法是有這方面的一些接近的處理那因為當時社會各界沒有共識所以這邊暫時還沒有往前推進但是我們在這個沒有作用法的情況之下自律是也是舉世\n各國主要的一些處理的一些方向我們這邊就強化治癒強化平台的自立跟透明透明包括剛剛委員提到的申訴救濟還有它演算法如果把你下架那些東西它的必須要機制透明所以我們才會剛剛跟委員報告說我們會先起來促進自立之外還要訂定一些指引來讓他們來遵循當然他們如果內容有違法有違反的話會有對應的一時的\n機關來處理像兒少部門很多都是衛福主管機關來會有一些處理主委我們來看跨國平台其實我們看到我們監管的職責其實是不清的啦那NCC是否是主責其實這個也沒有說明的很清楚另外也沒有這一種跨國平台它有具體的落地\n或者是他有沒有稅責的問題或者是有沒有審查的義務其實都造成了執法的一個真空那另外政府也缺乏這種對於兒少演算法這種風險\n他的一個具體的政策空間那其實我認為我們面對跨國平台我們的政策因應不能只停留在國內的對話如果政府無從問責那無從規範這種\n數位主權跟資訊的自治就會形成空談那NCC是不是會規劃我們應該跟蘇發部還有法務部衛福部等相關單位來研議是否成立這種跨部會的權責機制來明確的界定這種跨國平台的監管的執掌來\n說明一下是的這一塊我們都持續收集國際的發展趨勢在國內部分也跟像數位部等等來同時來一併來協商處理討論特別是數位經濟跟廣告投放那一塊目前是比較明確是由數位部來處理那其他部分那會延續先前\n最後因為時間的關係我簡單說明一下我們對數位治理責任我們的一個未來的展望那其實我們必須要重新檢視網際網路傳播政策白皮書這樣的一個粗搞的內容我有三點建議NCC必須由平台共識邁向制度的一個責任這是要做的\n另外也儘速要對接國際法律的規範跟趨勢就是建立duty of care就是注意義務的這樣的一個規範另外我認為應該要優先處理兒少的隱私\n風險的揭露以及資訊自主啊這三大核心的一個保障來主委讓你最後簡單的說明是那謝謝委員的提點這方面我們會持續來精進那像二哨隱私部分目前相關的IRIN的處理的量能部分\n還搭配著兒少法相關的法尊一些執法跟業者的法尊部分我們都會持續來跟平台業者來持續溝通我們也有辦一些不管是找業者來做專業的培育跟民眾的素養培養IWIN處理的能量是明顯的不足對兒少網際網路權益的一個保障是明顯的不足了NCC要負起更大的責任是 我們會努力\n謝謝韋營\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.828 --> 00:12.970\n謝謝召委請一下陳代理主委陳代理主委你好\n\n00:14.569 --> 00:41.492\n主委你好我記得2011年NCC有發布一個兒少通訊傳播權益的政策白皮書那當時也提出幾個口號像寓教於樂啦健康安全啦平等禁用等等目標他也希望能夠提出內容的一個分級制度以及要建立兒少\n\n00:42.033 --> 00:44.821\n友善的媒體環境等等這些目標\n\n00:48.158 --> 01:15.757\n這份兒少白皮書其實已經經過14年了那它其實早已經沒有辦法面對現在的這種數位的環境那當初這個通訊傳播的權益主要是比較面對相關的廣播電視有線無線電視以及剛起步的這個數位環境但現在已經不一樣了我們看到現在兒少所接觸的媒體\n\n01:17.199 --> 01:43.153\n已經是像這個短眼音社群平台還有這種串流的平台等等這樣的一個最主要的接收的一個來源那這些平台啊我們看它有一些演算法商業化的核心場域或者是收集兒少的個資甚至有一些不當內容這些不當內容的\n\n01:45.914 --> 01:54.240\n推播啊潛在的不當內容的推播其實也屢見不鮮啊那NCC我知道在去年\n\n01:55.947 --> 02:20.878\n2024年7月有公布一個初稿這個初稿就是網際網路傳播政策的白皮書還是一個初稿那當然初稿裡面我看有提出說維護使用者權益或建立安全可靠的這一種信賴環境等等但是對於兒少的這樣的一個結構的脆弱性內容是明顯的不足\n\n02:21.960 --> 02:46.695\n那我請問一下主委我們這個NCC今年要提出NCC現在所要提出的這個網際網路傳播政策白皮書目前的架構是怎樣來說明一下是否有針對兒少的結構它的脆弱性有提出更多的防護以及應對的措施來說明一下\n\n02:47.355 --> 03:06.763\n好那跟我們報告這部分我們其實在2011年版本以後在每個個案的一些落實上在我們既有的作用法的範圍內都有處理那剛剛委員提到說在網際網路這一塊的話那我們是因為目前國內沒有相應的作用法但是根據行政院的分工原則\n\n03:08.484 --> 03:38.044\n相關的事務跟實體世界是對接的那這一部分我們都會跟相關部會來協力那像NC這一塊的部分IWIN的設立的保障兒少的一些身心健康福利這一塊我們都會持續辦理那政策白皮書的部分我們現在已經有參酌各界的意見那未來會在委員會議可以組成的時候來進一步來挑定他的確定的版本這段期間我們還是持續請平台業者來相關要有一定的一個\n\n03:39.185 --> 03:54.863\n持續落實自立然後也在民眾端來做一些教育宣導跟素養的培力部分好主委我們來看看啦我們在過去都希望平台自立啊是一個他們重要的責任那我們看看這個\n\n03:56.064 --> 04:22.960\n在去年7月所公布的這個初稿就是網際網路傳播政策白皮書的初稿平台自立也是這個初稿裡面一個重要的願景但是平台自立還是有它的侷限性它缺乏平台的內容審查的透明性跟審查邏輯的一個說明另外也沒有申訴的制度或者是救濟的程序那言論自由\n\n04:23.840 --> 04:42.797\n恐怕也會受到隱形的一個壓抑我們也清楚有這樣的一個問題那這樣排序等隱性的這種懲罰沒有資訊揭露的一個追溯的可能那像這種平台自立的問題啊那NCC的想法是怎樣政策對應是如何\n\n04:44.406 --> 05:07.012\n是的跟我們回報大概分幾點第一點我們就是剛剛做製衣業的簡報提到關於申訴救濟這一塊我們會在沒有作用法之前我們會訂一個軟法就是訂定一個指引然後也會訂定多方利害關係人來運作的一些指引那至於其他部分細節部分我們師傅容我請我們主任來詳細說明一下主委我來趕快簡短說明\n\n05:08.223 --> 05:28.884\n是那個委員剛才催詢的部分那我們就是說收集了各方的意見包括五個公民團體很重要的意見那其中有那個兒少的單位團體也給我們很多的指教包括希望說納入西亞系一些條款那我們就是說\n\n05:30.306 --> 05:57.845\n未來會參佐相關的意見然後做一些調修那提到到時候委員會能夠合法組成的時候主委這種啊網路是公共論壇的一個重要的場域啦那其實我們看到民主先進國家歐美啊除了平台的自律之外有一個重要的國際趨勢就是將問責也逐步的納入那\n\n05:58.720 --> 06:18.999\n我們要比照啊是不是會考慮比照歐盟或者是比照歐盟他們針對高風險的這種內容的推波還有演算法的一個歧視或者是帳號濫用的情形啊他們會進行風險評估跟定期的揭露報告我們會不會採取這樣的一個趨勢來說明一下是的\n\n06:22.142 --> 06:47.679\n那早期歐盟的DSA這些機制我們當時也有跟國際來對接來處理那前幾年訂定的訴訟法是有這方面的一些接近的處理那因為當時社會各界沒有共識所以這邊暫時還沒有往前推進但是我們在這個沒有作用法的情況之下自律是也是舉世\n\n06:48.780 --> 07:14.222\n各國主要的一些處理的一些方向我們這邊就強化治癒強化平台的自立跟透明透明包括剛剛委員提到的申訴救濟還有它演算法如果把你下架那些東西它的必須要機制透明所以我們才會剛剛跟委員報告說我們會先起來促進自立之外還要訂定一些指引來讓他們來遵循當然他們如果內容有違法有違反的話會有對應的一時的\n\n07:17.345 --> 07:39.945\n機關來處理像兒少部門很多都是衛福主管機關來會有一些處理主委我們來看跨國平台其實我們看到我們監管的職責其實是不清的啦那NCC是否是主責其實這個也沒有說明的很清楚另外也沒有這一種跨國平台它有具體的落地\n\n07:40.866 --> 07:54.921\n或者是他有沒有稅責的問題或者是有沒有審查的義務其實都造成了執法的一個真空那另外政府也缺乏這種對於兒少演算法這種風險\n\n07:56.883 --> 08:09.934\n他的一個具體的政策空間那其實我認為我們面對跨國平台我們的政策因應不能只停留在國內的對話如果政府無從問責那無從規範這種\n\n08:13.997 --> 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