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00:02:24,380\n好那在你的業務方面那NCC的業務這個現在這是你們回報了回報說目前帶委員會來審議的一些的這個案子嘛包括重要的計畫包括了這個通訊傳播業務包括供靠許可相關的一個處分的案件那總共將近200多件\n\n8\n00:02:26,681 --> 00:02:53,797\n其中好像請教這麼多個案件等委員會正式成立才可以處理其中目前看到其他項的前面涉及內容違規代開罰的案件開罰的案件剛剛有問了經過你們外部的諮詢外部的諮詢廣告諮詢審議已經送到委員會代審的部分據說有14件你了解嗎是不是差不多是這件數\n\n9\n00:02:55,834 --> 00:03:20,870\n好三案十四件因為事實上這個大概也累積了將近差不多將近三百天那累積成十四件我就請教一下因為在過去我們透過了衛星廣播電視法第27條主要是沒有查證的義務違反公共的一個利益等等其實罰了不少的一個媒體\n\n10\n00:03:21,710 --> 00:03:46,259\n但是大家都想這一陣子因為委員不夠所以感覺都沒有人被罰是因為委員會沒辦法開會那這個部分如果有違法違規那按照本法5.3條大概可以罰20到200萬所以你們外部自行委員包括你們都會去討論每個情形不同大概要罰多少\n\n11\n00:03:47,319 --> 00:04:01,510\n那我就覺得有點奇怪你覺得十四案十四案會不會消化得太好了因為在去年的下半年去年的第三劑跟第四劑\n\n12\n00:04:02,951 --> 00:04:30,368\n總共784件的檢舉案當然每個檢舉案有些是不見得是針對這個檢舉案我理解啦然後再加上今年上半年啦我覺得一年啊估1000案我也包括委員也有去跟你們去再次公文去檢舉都有來源不同有mail有直接在你的網頁有打電話的各種的一個情況啊但我覺得你們現在消化在我看起來消化的能量是不錯\n\n13\n00:04:31,609 --> 00:04:49,401\n能吃能喝1000件消化成14件大概是什麼原因你能不能說一下因為很多是重複同樣案有對同個電台的節目重複很多人去檢舉說多案提示要處理的電視台提示就會移案類似這種情況\n\n14\n00:04:50,799 --> 00:05:12,168\n好那這個部分我們也不希望有什麼樣的誤解我們希望在下次的這個部分針對於針對於要所以檢舉案件你怎麼去消化的讓我們知道一下譬如同樣一個案子有可能有50個人檢舉100個人打同樣的有可能這我接受但是到底怎麼樣去消化的過程我想這對我們\n\n15\n00:05:13,548 --> 00:05:34,766\n這個交通委員會的一個委員我們希望去了解一下因為很多民眾在問他的檢舉是不是不見了這個部分但我們知道說假設一千多件現在最終目前待審議的剩下十四件那我們希望能夠進一步了解相關的資料可以給我們的委員來了解參考嗎在可以介入的部分我們會給委員\n\n16\n00:05:37,669 --> 00:05:57,769\n接下來這個今年度上半年跟下半年整個的一個執照要換照大概總共加起來有87家了包括了無線電視包括了這個衛廣事業還有這個有線電視無線電視大概都有那這個的部分\n\n17\n00:05:58,770 --> 00:06:15,564\n現在確實有一些擔心的你們這邊大家業者擔心的問題你講了很多次嘛就是說系統經營者他的法規是不得傳送未經中央主管機關許可頻道供應事業的節目或廣告啦\n\n18\n00:06:16,464 --> 00:06:35,141\n如果有的話是有罰則那你們現在解答是如果播送雖然你還沒有換照那這個部分以你們答的就很斯文我們會以收聽者這個權益跟整整整體公共利益為優先考量那這個部分\n\n19\n00:06:36,042 --> 00:06:54,138\n是到底如果換照沒有成功按照有相關的違法疑慮的話你們都會不處理還是你會突然覺得我感覺有一個比較沒有符合公共利益所以我們還是按照這個來罰到底大概一般的原則到底怎麼樣請你再說一次剛剛我已經提到關鍵字\n\n20\n00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:17,442\n他不是換照沒有成功是因為我們這換照程序還在程序進行中還沒有上委員會所以他是類似處於效率未定狀態所以他跟換照不成功是不相等的這第一點補充第二點補充武廣的部分他如果說他要把它取消的話那也要\n\n21\n00:07:18,183 --> 00:07:47,043\n取消他的大照也要經過委員會那基本是目前沒有委員會所以剛好沒辦法處理有線電視上頭的頻道部分上下架與否那基本頻道要經過委員會審議那現在也沒有委員會所以剛好會有兩個法規這個法規跟具體頻道要送NCC委員會審議這兩個法規剛好是在這個特殊情境之下剛好是協力可以讓收視聽眾的權益可以維持下去好的\n\n22\n00:07:47,703 --> 00:08:05,553\n因為你這個就是有很多擔心的要聽你整個做一個這樣的一個說明啊再來我們有看到你通訊傳播這個監督管理基金啊每一年啊去補助我們看到了很多那個機關啊團體啊那這個的部分那績效如何啊\n\n23\n00:08:06,653 --> 00:08:35,863\n您每天的每一年的一個補助啊你預期的效益是如何有沒有達到各位媒體包括就了解內容處這邊透過有限電視補助有限電視業者製作地方特色的一些成績起碼有29部我印象中是有29部那這邊沒有啦我先問你左邊這個啦通訊傳播監督管理基金啊每一年大概50萬到90萬嘛那個的部分效果如何\n\n24\n00:08:36,423 --> 00:08:56,004\n通傳基金這邊的補助也是讓活絡社會上各個跟傳播相關的團體繼續國內的一些這個傳播的一些量能也讓國內的一些產業傳播產業不管是製阿波那方面會有個互動也會有所以不必有什麼KPI啦\n\n25\n00:08:57,285 --> 00:09:18,274\n就是非帶營養社會不理補助完大家開心happy拜拜明年再來不過你有什麼KPI嗎這邊細節我請副組長補充好啦時間到了啦有沒有什麼KPI你們自己去事後能夠補充資料給我啦再來一個有線電視廣播這個基金的這個部分你過去三年我們看了也補助了兩千\n\n26\n00:09:18,874 --> 00:09:43,874\n我們看到有些電視製作的節目確實有進步但是我們覺得蠻可惜的很多精彩的節目都在很冷門的頻道默默的放那我覺得因為當然這個沒有要怪誰你知道嗎因為有些熱門頻道新聞媒體的頻道本身有線電視它的廣播的業者自有的頻道\n\n27\n00:09:44,614 --> 00:10:04,957\n本身就沒有這麼熱門但是我是覺得應該你們要建議他輔導他他們這麼認真去採訪的這麼深入的一個節目要透過了除了他的頻道之外能夠深入用網路用推播的一些技巧讓更多人可以去接觸到這個有沒有辦法去這個有沒有辦法做\n\n28\n00:10:06,079 --> 00:10:17,214\n我們現在已經有做透過連結到社群網站的YT或者其他的播送平台他們都有在做而且有些部分也有得獎\n\n29\n00:10:18,530 --> 00:10:38,825\n我知道你要注意一下點播率最後一個這是你們自己做的113年去年度通訊傳播市場的一個整體報告各類的其中就維持原來水準的就是受眾覺得跟平常水準差不多的大概7成覺得更糟的10.3%我們就覺得更糟的部分\n\n30\n00:10:42,367 --> 00:11:08,793\n到底發生什麼事情這是因為你們的報告我就詢問一下因為這中間幾個理由啊重播率太高八成然後第二個政論節目太多政治偏撥缺乏多樣性播出集數過多脫戲那這個部分裡面有什麼一個報告之後有什麼具體的一個措施讓相關的可以處理的一些業者有什麼改善的空間嗎最後一個問題請您來說明一下\n\n31\n00:11:10,353 --> 00:11:35,622\n是的那在我們的傳播法規上會有一些對於相關頻道的一些本國自治力的會有一些基本要求他們必須要在這個這條基本要求線上以上否則就是違法就會有罰則那其他部分我們尊重這個媒體他們的編輯自主這部分那當然觀眾反映的意見也是我們也會讓事實也會出也會不斷的在評鑑換照裡頭要求業者來往更\n\n32\n00:11:39,944 --> 00:11:47,408\n向上提升好啦因為你花了這麼多經費做了一個整個市場報告真的好的你們要去鼓勵啦好不好不好的要改善好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4329\t18589\t好謝謝主席有請NCC陳主委陳代主委各位主委事實上上次問過了啦剛剛有很多委員也問過了\n20202\t34991\t那我再請教一下最主要是說我們從去年四位委員卸任算一算7月31號然後就剩三位嘛你是其中一位嗎四位到11月30都還有四位\n36761\t54154\t那就請教一下你是那三位之一嗎現在的是那現在到現在將近兩三百天這個部分因為剛剛委員也認過名單卡關當然在第一階段是原始的第一波的一個名單事實上在立院\n54714\t84194\t大家有新舊不同的院長提名的一個爭議問題這個跟不光是哪一個黨派的問題後面發覺委員會委員會不管是藍綠都沒有去排進入去審議這個問題那卡關之後我也覺得很奇怪啦當然你說這是社市行政院的一個權利啦那從去年的這個11月12月說新的名單會出來到就是這個月5月要出來看樣子\n85195\t101456\t你們有聽說這個馬上會停嗎 還要到六月呢有沒有消息啊根本報告沒有 因為是在NCC組織法規定是行政院的職權我們這邊相對沒有角色就完全不管\n102557\t120311\t我們有適當的反應那我相信行政院方面應該也知道NCC的情況這困難在哪裡還沒找到中心的是不是還是有沒有聽說還沒找到效忠的還是不夠專業的不在我個人的了解範圍內\n122025\t144380\t好 那在你的業務方面 那NCC的業務 這個現在這是你們回報了 回報說 目前帶委員會來審議的一些的這個案子嘛包括重要的計畫 包括了這個通訊傳播業務 包括供靠許可相關的一個處分的案件那總共將近200多件\n146681\t173797\t其中好像請教這麼多個案件等委員會正式成立才可以處理其中目前看到其他項的前面涉及內容違規代開罰的案件開罰的案件剛剛有問了經過你們外部的諮詢外部的諮詢廣告諮詢審議已經送到委員會代審的部分據說有14件你了解嗎是不是差不多是這件數\n175834\t200870\t好 三案十四件因為事實上這個大概也累積了將近差不多將近三百天那累積成十四件我就請教一下因為在過去我們透過了衛星廣播電視法第27條主要是沒有查證的義務違反公共的一個利益等等其實罰了不少的一個媒體\n201710\t226259\t但是大家都想這一陣子因為委員不夠所以感覺都沒有人被罰是因為委員會沒辦法開會那這個部分如果有違法違規那按照本法5.3條大概可以罰20到200萬所以你們外部自行委員包括你們都會去討論每個情形不同大概要罰多少\n227319\t241510\t那我就覺得有點奇怪你覺得十四案十四案會不會消化得太好了因為在去年的下半年去年的第三劑跟第四劑\n242951\t270368\t總共784件的檢舉案當然每個檢舉案有些是不見得是針對這個檢舉案我理解啦然後再加上今年上半年啦我覺得一年啊 估1000案我也包括委員也有去跟你們去 再次公文去檢舉都有來源不同 有mail 有直接在你的網頁有打電話的 各種的一個情況啊但我覺得你們現在消化在我看起來消化的能量是不錯\n271609\t289401\t能吃能喝1000件消化成14件大概是什麼原因你能不能說一下因為很多是重複同樣案有對同個電台的節目重複很多人去檢舉說多案提示要處理的電視台提示就會移案類似這種情況\n290799\t312168\t好那這個部分我們也不希望有什麼樣的誤解我們希望在下次的這個部分針對於針對於要所以檢舉案件你怎麼去消化的讓我們知道一下譬如同樣一個案子有可能有50個人檢舉100個人打同樣的有可能這我接受但是到底怎麼樣去消化的過程我想這對我們\n313548\t334766\t這個交通委員會的一個委員我們希望去了解一下因為很多民眾在問他的檢舉是不是不見了這個部分但我們知道說假設一千多件現在最終目前待審議的剩下十四件那我們希望能夠進一步了解相關的資料可以給我們的委員來了解參考嗎在可以介入的部分我們會給委員\n337669\t357769\t接下來這個今年度上半年跟下半年整個的一個執照要換照大概總共加起來有87家了包括了無線電視包括了這個衛廣事業還有這個有線電視無線電視大概都有那這個的部分\n358770\t375564\t現在確實有一些擔心的你們這邊大家業者擔心的問題你講了很多次嘛就是說系統經營者他的法規是不得傳送未經中央主管機關許可頻道供應事業的節目或廣告啦\n376464\t395141\t如果有的話是有罰則那你們現在解答是如果播送雖然你還沒有換照那這個部分以你們答的就很斯文我們會以收聽者這個權益跟整整整體公共利益為優先考量那這個部分\n396042\t414138\t是到底如果換照沒有成功按照有相關的違法疑慮的話你們都會不處理還是你會突然覺得我感覺有一個比較沒有符合公共利益所以我們還是按照這個來罰到底大概一般的原則到底怎麼樣請你再說一次剛剛我已經提到關鍵字\n416440\t437442\t他不是換照沒有成功是因為我們這換照程序還在程序進行中還沒有上委員會所以他是類似處於效率未定狀態所以他跟換照不成功是不相等的這第一點補充第二點補充武廣的部分他如果說他要把它取消的話那也要\n438183\t467043\t取消他的大照也要經過委員會那基本是目前沒有委員會所以剛好沒辦法處理有線電視上頭的頻道部分上下架與否那基本頻道要經過委員會審議那現在也沒有委員會所以剛好會有兩個法規這個法規跟具體頻道要送NCC委員會審議這兩個法規剛好是在這個特殊情境之下剛好是協力可以讓收視聽眾的權益可以維持下去好的\n467703\t485553\t因為你這個就是有很多擔心的要聽你整個做一個這樣的一個說明啊再來我們有看到你通訊傳播這個監督管理基金啊每一年啊去補助我們看到了很多那個機關啊團體啊那這個的部分那績效如何啊\n486653\t515863\t您每天的每一年的一個補助啊你預期的效益是如何有沒有達到各位媒體包括就了解內容處這邊透過有限電視補助有限電視業者製作地方特色的一些成績起碼有29部我印象中是有29部那這邊沒有啦我先問你左邊這個啦通訊傳播監督管理基金啊每一年大概50萬到90萬嘛那個的部分效果如何\n516423\t536004\t通傳基金這邊的補助也是讓活絡社會上各個跟傳播相關的團體繼續國內的一些這個傳播的一些量能也讓國內的一些產業傳播產業不管是製阿波那方面會有個互動也會有所以不必有什麼KPI啦\n537285\t558274\t就是非帶營養 社會不理補助完大家開心 happy 拜拜明年再來不過你有什麼KPI嗎這邊細節我請副組長補充好啦 時間到了啦有沒有什麼KPI你們自己去事後能夠補充資料給我啦再來一個有線電視廣播這個基金的這個部分你過去三年我們看了也補助了兩千\n558874\t583874\t我們看到有些電視製作的節目確實有進步但是我們覺得蠻可惜的很多精彩的節目都在很冷門的頻道默默的放那我覺得因為當然這個沒有要怪誰你知道嗎因為有些熱門頻道新聞媒體的頻道本身有線電視它的廣播的業者自有的頻道\n584614\t604957\t本身就沒有這麼熱門但是我是覺得應該你們要建議他輔導他他們這麼認真去採訪的這麼深入的一個節目要透過了除了他的頻道之外能夠深入用網路用推播的一些技巧讓更多人可以去接觸到這個有沒有辦法去這個有沒有辦法做\n606079\t617214\t我們現在已經有做透過連結到社群網站的YT或者其他的播送平台他們都有在做而且有些部分也有得獎\n618530\t638825\t我知道你要注意一下點播率最後一個這是你們自己做的113年去年度通訊傳播市場的一個整體報告各類的其中就維持原來水準的就是受眾覺得跟平常水準差不多的大概7成覺得更糟的10.3%我們就覺得更糟的部分\n642367\t668793\t到底發生什麼事情這是因為你們的報告我就詢問一下因為這中間幾個理由啊重播率太高八成然後第二個 政論節目太多政治偏撥缺乏多樣性播出集數過多 脫戲那這個部分裡面有什麼一個報告之後有什麼具體的一個措施讓相關的可以處理的一些業者有什麼改善的空間嗎最後一個問題請您來說明一下\n670353\t695622\t是的那在我們的傳播法規上會有一些對於相關頻道的一些本國自治力的會有一些基本要求他們必須要在這個這條基本要求線上以上否則就是違法就會有罰則那其他部分我們尊重這個媒體他們的編輯自主這部分那當然觀眾反映的意見也是我們也會讓事實也會出也會不斷的在評鑑換照裡頭要求業者來往更\n699944\t707408\t向上提升好啦因為你花了這麼多經費做了一個整個市場報告真的好的你們要去鼓勵啦好不好不好的要改善好謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席有請NCC陳主委陳代主委各位主委事實上上次問過了啦剛剛有很多委員也問過了\n那我再請教一下最主要是說我們從去年四位委員卸任算一算7月31號然後就剩三位嘛你是其中一位嗎四位到11月30都還有四位\n那就請教一下你是那三位之一嗎現在的是那現在到現在將近兩三百天這個部分因為剛剛委員也認過名單卡關當然在第一階段是原始的第一波的一個名單事實上在立院\n大家有新舊不同的院長提名的一個爭議問題這個跟不光是哪一個黨派的問題後面發覺委員會委員會不管是藍綠都沒有去排進入去審議這個問題那卡關之後我也覺得很奇怪啦當然你說這是社市行政院的一個權利啦那從去年的這個11月12月說新的名單會出來到就是這個月5月要出來看樣子\n你們有聽說這個馬上會停嗎 還要到六月呢有沒有消息啊根本報告沒有 因為是在NCC組織法規定是行政院的職權我們這邊相對沒有角色就完全不管\n我們有適當的反應那我相信行政院方面應該也知道NCC的情況這困難在哪裡還沒找到中心的是不是還是有沒有聽說還沒找到效忠的還是不夠專業的不在我個人的了解範圍內\n好 那在你的業務方面 那NCC的業務 這個現在這是你們回報了 回報說 目前帶委員會來審議的一些的這個案子嘛包括重要的計畫 包括了這個通訊傳播業務 包括供靠許可相關的一個處分的案件那總共將近200多件\n其中好像請教這麼多個案件等委員會正式成立才可以處理其中目前看到其他項的前面涉及內容違規代開罰的案件開罰的案件剛剛有問了經過你們外部的諮詢外部的諮詢廣告諮詢審議已經送到委員會代審的部分據說有14件你了解嗎是不是差不多是這件數\n好 三案十四件因為事實上這個大概也累積了將近差不多將近三百天那累積成十四件我就請教一下因為在過去我們透過了衛星廣播電視法第27條主要是沒有查證的義務違反公共的一個利益等等其實罰了不少的一個媒體\n但是大家都想這一陣子因為委員不夠所以感覺都沒有人被罰是因為委員會沒辦法開會那這個部分如果有違法違規那按照本法5.3條大概可以罰20到200萬所以你們外部自行委員包括你們都會去討論每個情形不同大概要罰多少\n那我就覺得有點奇怪你覺得十四案十四案會不會消化得太好了因為在去年的下半年去年的第三劑跟第四劑\n總共784件的檢舉案當然每個檢舉案有些是不見得是針對這個檢舉案我理解啦然後再加上今年上半年啦我覺得一年啊 估1000案我也包括委員也有去跟你們去 再次公文去檢舉都有來源不同 有mail 有直接在你的網頁有打電話的 各種的一個情況啊但我覺得你們現在消化在我看起來消化的能量是不錯\n能吃能喝1000件消化成14件大概是什麼原因你能不能說一下因為很多是重複同樣案有對同個電台的節目重複很多人去檢舉說多案提示要處理的電視台提示就會移案類似這種情況\n好那這個部分我們也不希望有什麼樣的誤解我們希望在下次的這個部分針對於針對於要所以檢舉案件你怎麼去消化的讓我們知道一下譬如同樣一個案子有可能有50個人檢舉100個人打同樣的有可能這我接受但是到底怎麼樣去消化的過程我想這對我們\n這個交通委員會的一個委員我們希望去了解一下因為很多民眾在問他的檢舉是不是不見了這個部分但我們知道說假設一千多件現在最終目前待審議的剩下十四件那我們希望能夠進一步了解相關的資料可以給我們的委員來了解參考嗎在可以介入的部分我們會給委員\n接下來這個今年度上半年跟下半年整個的一個執照要換照大概總共加起來有87家了包括了無線電視包括了這個衛廣事業還有這個有線電視無線電視大概都有那這個的部分\n現在確實有一些擔心的你們這邊大家業者擔心的問題你講了很多次嘛就是說系統經營者他的法規是不得傳送未經中央主管機關許可頻道供應事業的節目或廣告啦\n如果有的話是有罰則那你們現在解答是如果播送雖然你還沒有換照那這個部分以你們答的就很斯文我們會以收聽者這個權益跟整整整體公共利益為優先考量那這個部分\n是到底如果換照沒有成功按照有相關的違法疑慮的話你們都會不處理還是你會突然覺得我感覺有一個比較沒有符合公共利益所以我們還是按照這個來罰到底大概一般的原則到底怎麼樣請你再說一次剛剛我已經提到關鍵字\n他不是換照沒有成功是因為我們這換照程序還在程序進行中還沒有上委員會所以他是類似處於效率未定狀態所以他跟換照不成功是不相等的這第一點補充第二點補充武廣的部分他如果說他要把它取消的話那也要\n取消他的大照也要經過委員會那基本是目前沒有委員會所以剛好沒辦法處理有線電視上頭的頻道部分上下架與否那基本頻道要經過委員會審議那現在也沒有委員會所以剛好會有兩個法規這個法規跟具體頻道要送NCC委員會審議這兩個法規剛好是在這個特殊情境之下剛好是協力可以讓收視聽眾的權益可以維持下去好的\n因為你這個就是有很多擔心的要聽你整個做一個這樣的一個說明啊再來我們有看到你通訊傳播這個監督管理基金啊每一年啊去補助我們看到了很多那個機關啊團體啊那這個的部分那績效如何啊\n您每天的每一年的一個補助啊你預期的效益是如何有沒有達到各位媒體包括就了解內容處這邊透過有限電視補助有限電視業者製作地方特色的一些成績起碼有29部我印象中是有29部那這邊沒有啦我先問你左邊這個啦通訊傳播監督管理基金啊每一年大概50萬到90萬嘛那個的部分效果如何\n通傳基金這邊的補助也是讓活絡社會上各個跟傳播相關的團體繼續國內的一些這個傳播的一些量能也讓國內的一些產業傳播產業不管是製阿波那方面會有個互動也會有所以不必有什麼KPI啦\n就是非帶營養 社會不理補助完大家開心 happy 拜拜明年再來不過你有什麼KPI嗎這邊細節我請副組長補充好啦 時間到了啦有沒有什麼KPI你們自己去事後能夠補充資料給我啦再來一個有線電視廣播這個基金的這個部分你過去三年我們看了也補助了兩千\n我們看到有些電視製作的節目確實有進步但是我們覺得蠻可惜的很多精彩的節目都在很冷門的頻道默默的放那我覺得因為當然這個沒有要怪誰你知道嗎因為有些熱門頻道新聞媒體的頻道本身有線電視它的廣播的業者自有的頻道\n本身就沒有這麼熱門但是我是覺得應該你們要建議他輔導他他們這麼認真去採訪的這麼深入的一個節目要透過了除了他的頻道之外能夠深入用網路用推播的一些技巧讓更多人可以去接觸到這個有沒有辦法去這個有沒有辦法做\n我們現在已經有做透過連結到社群網站的YT或者其他的播送平台他們都有在做而且有些部分也有得獎\n我知道你要注意一下點播率最後一個這是你們自己做的113年去年度通訊傳播市場的一個整體報告各類的其中就維持原來水準的就是受眾覺得跟平常水準差不多的大概7成覺得更糟的10.3%我們就覺得更糟的部分\n到底發生什麼事情這是因為你們的報告我就詢問一下因為這中間幾個理由啊重播率太高八成然後第二個 政論節目太多政治偏撥缺乏多樣性播出集數過多 脫戲那這個部分裡面有什麼一個報告之後有什麼具體的一個措施讓相關的可以處理的一些業者有什麼改善的空間嗎最後一個問題請您來說明一下\n是的那在我們的傳播法規上會有一些對於相關頻道的一些本國自治力的會有一些基本要求他們必須要在這個這條基本要求線上以上否則就是違法就會有罰則那其他部分我們尊重這個媒體他們的編輯自主這部分那當然觀眾反映的意見也是我們也會讓事實也會出也會不斷的在評鑑換照裡頭要求業者來往更\n向上提升好啦因為你花了這麼多經費做了一個整個市場報告真的好的你們要去鼓勵啦好不好不好的要改善好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.329 --> 00:18.589\n好謝謝主席有請NCC陳主委陳代主委各位主委事實上上次問過了啦剛剛有很多委員也問過了\n\n00:20.202 --> 00:34.991\n那我再請教一下最主要是說我們從去年四位委員卸任算一算7月31號然後就剩三位嘛你是其中一位嗎四位到11月30都還有四位\n\n00:36.761 --> 00:54.154\n那就請教一下你是那三位之一嗎現在的是那現在到現在將近兩三百天這個部分因為剛剛委員也認過名單卡關當然在第一階段是原始的第一波的一個名單事實上在立院\n\n00:54.714 --> 01:24.194\n大家有新舊不同的院長提名的一個爭議問題這個跟不光是哪一個黨派的問題後面發覺委員會委員會不管是藍綠都沒有去排進入去審議這個問題那卡關之後我也覺得很奇怪啦當然你說這是社市行政院的一個權利啦那從去年的這個11月12月說新的名單會出來到就是這個月5月要出來看樣子\n\n01:25.195 --> 01:41.456\n你們有聽說這個馬上會停嗎還要到六月呢有沒有消息啊根本報告沒有因為是在NCC組織法規定是行政院的職權我們這邊相對沒有角色就完全不管\n\n01:42.557 --> 02:00.311\n我們有適當的反應那我相信行政院方面應該也知道NCC的情況這困難在哪裡還沒找到中心的是不是還是有沒有聽說還沒找到效忠的還是不夠專業的不在我個人的了解範圍內\n\n02:02.025 --> 02:24.380\n好那在你的業務方面那NCC的業務這個現在這是你們回報了回報說目前帶委員會來審議的一些的這個案子嘛包括重要的計畫包括了這個通訊傳播業務包括供靠許可相關的一個處分的案件那總共將近200多件\n\n02:26.681 --> 02:53.797\n其中好像請教這麼多個案件等委員會正式成立才可以處理其中目前看到其他項的前面涉及內容違規代開罰的案件開罰的案件剛剛有問了經過你們外部的諮詢外部的諮詢廣告諮詢審議已經送到委員會代審的部分據說有14件你了解嗎是不是差不多是這件數\n\n02:55.834 --> 03:20.870\n好三案十四件因為事實上這個大概也累積了將近差不多將近三百天那累積成十四件我就請教一下因為在過去我們透過了衛星廣播電視法第27條主要是沒有查證的義務違反公共的一個利益等等其實罰了不少的一個媒體\n\n03:21.710 --> 03:46.259\n但是大家都想這一陣子因為委員不夠所以感覺都沒有人被罰是因為委員會沒辦法開會那這個部分如果有違法違規那按照本法5.3條大概可以罰20到200萬所以你們外部自行委員包括你們都會去討論每個情形不同大概要罰多少\n\n03:47.319 --> 04:01.510\n那我就覺得有點奇怪你覺得十四案十四案會不會消化得太好了因為在去年的下半年去年的第三劑跟第四劑\n\n04:02.951 --> 04:30.368\n總共784件的檢舉案當然每個檢舉案有些是不見得是針對這個檢舉案我理解啦然後再加上今年上半年啦我覺得一年啊估1000案我也包括委員也有去跟你們去再次公文去檢舉都有來源不同有mail有直接在你的網頁有打電話的各種的一個情況啊但我覺得你們現在消化在我看起來消化的能量是不錯\n\n04:31.609 --> 04:49.401\n能吃能喝1000件消化成14件大概是什麼原因你能不能說一下因為很多是重複同樣案有對同個電台的節目重複很多人去檢舉說多案提示要處理的電視台提示就會移案類似這種情況\n\n04:50.799 --> 05:12.168\n好那這個部分我們也不希望有什麼樣的誤解我們希望在下次的這個部分針對於針對於要所以檢舉案件你怎麼去消化的讓我們知道一下譬如同樣一個案子有可能有50個人檢舉100個人打同樣的有可能這我接受但是到底怎麼樣去消化的過程我想這對我們\n\n05:13.548 --> 05:34.766\n這個交通委員會的一個委員我們希望去了解一下因為很多民眾在問他的檢舉是不是不見了這個部分但我們知道說假設一千多件現在最終目前待審議的剩下十四件那我們希望能夠進一步了解相關的資料可以給我們的委員來了解參考嗎在可以介入的部分我們會給委員\n\n05:37.669 --> 05:57.769\n接下來這個今年度上半年跟下半年整個的一個執照要換照大概總共加起來有87家了包括了無線電視包括了這個衛廣事業還有這個有線電視無線電視大概都有那這個的部分\n\n05:58.770 --> 06:15.564\n現在確實有一些擔心的你們這邊大家業者擔心的問題你講了很多次嘛就是說系統經營者他的法規是不得傳送未經中央主管機關許可頻道供應事業的節目或廣告啦\n\n06:16.464 --> 06:35.141\n如果有的話是有罰則那你們現在解答是如果播送雖然你還沒有換照那這個部分以你們答的就很斯文我們會以收聽者這個權益跟整整整體公共利益為優先考量那這個部分\n\n06:36.042 --> 06:54.138\n是到底如果換照沒有成功按照有相關的違法疑慮的話你們都會不處理還是你會突然覺得我感覺有一個比較沒有符合公共利益所以我們還是按照這個來罰到底大概一般的原則到底怎麼樣請你再說一次剛剛我已經提到關鍵字\n\n06:56.440 --> 07:17.442\n他不是換照沒有成功是因為我們這換照程序還在程序進行中還沒有上委員會所以他是類似處於效率未定狀態所以他跟換照不成功是不相等的這第一點補充第二點補充武廣的部分他如果說他要把它取消的話那也要\n\n07:18.183 --> 07:47.043\n取消他的大照也要經過委員會那基本是目前沒有委員會所以剛好沒辦法處理有線電視上頭的頻道部分上下架與否那基本頻道要經過委員會審議那現在也沒有委員會所以剛好會有兩個法規這個法規跟具體頻道要送NCC委員會審議這兩個法規剛好是在這個特殊情境之下剛好是協力可以讓收視聽眾的權益可以維持下去好的\n\n07:47.703 --> 08:05.553\n因為你這個就是有很多擔心的要聽你整個做一個這樣的一個說明啊再來我們有看到你通訊傳播這個監督管理基金啊每一年啊去補助我們看到了很多那個機關啊團體啊那這個的部分那績效如何啊\n\n08:06.653 --> 08:35.863\n您每天的每一年的一個補助啊你預期的效益是如何有沒有達到各位媒體包括就了解內容處這邊透過有限電視補助有限電視業者製作地方特色的一些成績起碼有29部我印象中是有29部那這邊沒有啦我先問你左邊這個啦通訊傳播監督管理基金啊每一年大概50萬到90萬嘛那個的部分效果如何\n\n08:36.423 --> 08:56.004\n通傳基金這邊的補助也是讓活絡社會上各個跟傳播相關的團體繼續國內的一些這個傳播的一些量能也讓國內的一些產業傳播產業不管是製阿波那方面會有個互動也會有所以不必有什麼KPI啦\n\n08:57.285 --> 09:18.274\n就是非帶營養社會不理補助完大家開心happy拜拜明年再來不過你有什麼KPI嗎這邊細節我請副組長補充好啦時間到了啦有沒有什麼KPI你們自己去事後能夠補充資料給我啦再來一個有線電視廣播這個基金的這個部分你過去三年我們看了也補助了兩千\n\n09:18.874 --> 09:43.874\n我們看到有些電視製作的節目確實有進步但是我們覺得蠻可惜的很多精彩的節目都在很冷門的頻道默默的放那我覺得因為當然這個沒有要怪誰你知道嗎因為有些熱門頻道新聞媒體的頻道本身有線電視它的廣播的業者自有的頻道\n\n09:44.614 --> 10:04.957\n本身就沒有這麼熱門但是我是覺得應該你們要建議他輔導他他們這麼認真去採訪的這麼深入的一個節目要透過了除了他的頻道之外能夠深入用網路用推播的一些技巧讓更多人可以去接觸到這個有沒有辦法去這個有沒有辦法做\n\n10:06.079 --> 10:17.214\n我們現在已經有做透過連結到社群網站的YT或者其他的播送平台他們都有在做而且有些部分也有得獎\n\n10:18.530 --> 10:38.825\n我知道你要注意一下點播率最後一個這是你們自己做的113年去年度通訊傳播市場的一個整體報告各類的其中就維持原來水準的就是受眾覺得跟平常水準差不多的大概7成覺得更糟的10.3%我們就覺得更糟的部分\n\n10:42.367 --> 11:08.793\n到底發生什麼事情這是因為你們的報告我就詢問一下因為這中間幾個理由啊重播率太高八成然後第二個政論節目太多政治偏撥缺乏多樣性播出集數過多脫戲那這個部分裡面有什麼一個報告之後有什麼具體的一個措施讓相關的可以處理的一些業者有什麼改善的空間嗎最後一個問題請您來說明一下\n\n11:10.353 --> 11:35.622\n是的那在我們的傳播法規上會有一些對於相關頻道的一些本國自治力的會有一些基本要求他們必須要在這個這條基本要求線上以上否則就是違法就會有罰則那其他部分我們尊重這個媒體他們的編輯自主這部分那當然觀眾反映的意見也是我們也會讓事實也會出也會不斷的在評鑑換照裡頭要求業者來往更\n\n11:39.944 --> 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