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00:01:15,348\n發現經濟部跟經濟部工業局跟我們退府會就隆起工業區廢止這又牽涉到都市計畫所以又牽涉到都發局內政部相關單位一直有一些地方可能彼此的看法有所出入\n\n5\n00:01:15,968 --> 00:01:39,281\n所以我們大概密集的開了幾次會最近兩次一次4月2號一次4月24號做出了幾個決議第一個就我們退府會擁有的部分是280公頃左右的土地先把它廢止讓它脫離原來工業區可以成為地質公園讓台南市政府好好規劃\n\n6\n00:01:40,382 --> 00:02:01,389\n然後廢紙的程序要走到哪些流程我們都討論過了我這邊整理到我剛剛去追蹤的最新在4月29號退府會已經函請國產署出具廢紙同意書因為當年我們是根據在民國60幾年的時候有根據當時的條例去設置現在我們要把它\n\n7\n00:02:02,490 --> 00:02:20,447\n還轉回去讓他回到原來屬於生態的土地用途所以退府會呢請國產署出具廢紙同業書那5月26號那就這兩天退府會也跟我們辦公室表達說近期國產署就會含附廢紙那\n\n8\n00:02:21,601 --> 00:02:43,206\n地方人士還有台南市政府在關心的就是國產署含附廢紙同意書這一個在隆起全世界大概只有三個地方擁有的越世界地形這一塊土地下一步的程序是我們退服要做什麼動作還是經濟部工業局就您的了解業管單位也可以來\n\n9\n00:02:44,219 --> 00:02:59,091\n跟委員報告隆起工業區這塊上次在4月24號經過協調會之後我們再按照協調會的結論來執行第一個經台南市政府確認依自然地景範圍來辦理部分廢紙\n\n10\n00:03:01,132 --> 00:03:22,320\n第二个是经济部确认由本会议产业园区废止办法第八条提出由我们来提出申请第三个是因为废止范围都是公有土地所以将由经济部在官网来公告那我们退幅会在29号已经函请国产署那国产署也同意了要提供废止同意书\n\n11\n00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:37,281\n我想後續我們會向經濟部提出申請部分的費值經濟部我們也約來跟處長開會了大概同意的流程都已經講好我現在只要確定時程這個原主委可能不曉得那個地方現在我有時候開車在那邊走會看到\n\n12\n00:03:39,304 --> 00:04:07,690\n那個穿山甲帶著小朋友就穿山甲媽媽帶著穿山甲小baby在那邊路上走你知道嗎還有梅花鹿啊還會碰到很多野生動物那個區域其實好好規劃它有全世界圍山的二地形然後又有自然生態那我們也已經爭取成功讓西拉雅國家風景管理處涵蓋到這個範圍內所以未來那裡我們希望是比陽明山更漂亮更貼近人的一個區域所以我是想約原主委有空帶著所屬\n\n13\n00:04:08,730 --> 00:04:36,568\n來那邊走一趟我們再去一趟308高地吃土雞啦去欣賞一下我們收到同意書以後因為相關的事情我們都準備好了收到同意書以後我們一個禮拜以內那個博山署有沒有告訴你什麼時候會回同意書他說儘快不儘快有時候每個人認為的儘快不一樣我認為的儘快是今天下午我們外在催啦他說我們一接到同意書正式公文以後我們一個禮拜以內就可以向經濟部提出廢紙申請他如果需要的話\n\n14\n00:04:37,488 --> 00:05:04,809\n本席也願意幫你們催促一下所以他的文來到你們這裡你下一個動作就是經濟部了嘛對直接向經濟部提出申請經濟部再喊一個文准他就結束了所以他要公告公告完畢以後就結束所以這邊就可以回到台南市政府市政府就沒有理由再不進行規劃了他就可以成為一個地質公園我們也希望台南市政府因為我們無償捐贈給台南市政府280公頃希望他趕快接收對這塊地其實是一個保地所以主委我現在\n\n15\n00:05:05,569 --> 00:05:33,364\n在直旋的時候約你喔你就帶著你的同仁一起來到我們那邊走一走看看相當漂亮的地方那另外還有一個題目也要請教主委就是我們退府會所屬的榮家相關的造福體系、長道體系坦白說做得不錯不管在我們那個網聊的你們新建的這個榮家或家裡榮家、白河榮家、板橋榮家我們在長照的業務\n\n16\n00:05:34,284 --> 00:05:44,265\n不管是被照顧的居民跟醫護的比例大概都是相當符合標準可是從COVID-19的時候到現在我們就發現一個老問題\n\n17\n00:05:45,492 --> 00:06:13,333\n我們退輔會製成一個國家就是你們跟衛福部他沒有把你納入像COVID的時候防疫有要求退輔會有要求農家可是在算那個去照顧染疫的收容的院民的時候那個補助你知道嗎那個attend那個看護要去照顧染疫的人我們在全台灣所有的長照單位都有補助當時本席後來就發現後來我們爭取成功嘛就發現防疫有要求你們\n\n18\n00:06:14,073 --> 00:06:39,887\n在算那個照顧染疫居民的收容居民的補助的時候呢就沒有算你們說說這個農家不算我們衛福部的所以一毛都沒有形成在做一樣的事在照顧的時候要冒著染疫的風險去照顧染到COVID-19的人後來那個落差我們也經過多次協調才把那筆經費要到了後來那就顯示出一件事情就是在管理的規範上我們長照體系農家\n\n19\n00:06:42,808 --> 00:06:57,447\n要符合衛福部的要求可是在相關的政府的輔導補助獎勵措施都沒你們的份我這邊又發現一件了我們現在長照體系大量的需要就是外聘的協助人員\n\n20\n00:06:58,348 --> 00:07:16,486\n我們自己全部都自己招聘的話你們人事負擔太重所以我們的造福員Attend還有我們的護理人員其實有我看大概是1比4到1比5相當高的比例都是經過外部的人力仲介協助單位他其實專門服務我們的來協助\n\n21\n00:07:19,289 --> 00:07:28,270\n媒合這些造福員跟護理師來到我們的農家體系這個那時候賴總統我們在參觀台南農家的時候有看到這個部分嗎\n\n22\n00:07:29,585 --> 00:07:55,359\n我現在產生一個問題了現在勞動部有一個缺工就業獎勵補助這個缺工獎勵補助呢他補助一年半就他願意來這邊工作其中涵蓋的業別就有長照類涵蓋長照類的時候呢他前六個月補助多少後六個月補多少第三個六個月補助還有一個金額我印象補助到一萬多最後到四他好像是六千開始嘛\n\n23\n00:07:56,587 --> 00:08:14,871\n五千、六千、七千吧就前面半年每個月多給你五千塊由勞動部支出然後後面半年六千然後第三個半年希望你長留久用給你七千之後穩定下來了這一個缺工就業獎勵補助我們這個退府會農家裡面的人領不到\n\n24\n00:08:22,793 --> 00:08:45,845\n他領不到那我們也開了協調會了那我們退府會也表達意見了經過協調因為我們真正要照顧那些是做造福員做護理師的人不能因為他來退府會的農家服務要經過一個中轉機構也就是人力仲介機構他就不能享有國家這個獎勵措施所以我在追蹤的最新進度是我們經過協調之後呢現在勞動部會含詢退府會\n\n25\n00:08:50,447 --> 00:09:16,454\n他已經函詢衛福部了衛福部的答案是樂見應該納入啊因為本來這個補助就是協助你停止就業一段時間又回到職場你來做護理師我們缺護理師你來做造福員我們要發展長照所以我們會有一個獎勵去補貼他的薪資讓他多領一些錢就我們現在這個排除在外只因為我們是經過人力仲介進來所以衛福部已經表達樂見納入\n\n26\n00:09:19,816 --> 00:09:43,017\n專門針對喔這次專門針對退府會所屬榮家長照機構而不是適用一般的因為這是國家的機構應該要納入他們會函詢我們退府會的意見我不知道那個主委對這事情的了解還有你們後續的主委謝謝委員的支持跟指導還有協助我想這是我們退府會最需要突破的地方我們不管是榮業\n\n27\n00:09:45,058 --> 00:10:03,385\n醫療機構護理支家住宿是長照還有我們容家照顧員跟部分護理人員這些我們多半都是勞務委員進來讓我們希望希望能夠一無預期招人招到人然後留人留住住人所以這個剛剛委員所指導的如何納入勞動目的缺工就業獎勵這\n\n28\n00:10:04,685 --> 00:10:23,503\n比如說我們一直在繼續爭取的所以我希望委員能夠協助我們能夠一起來推我已經把你們四方召集開會開了幾次了現在最後你們表達意見那我們最後就是勞動部去認定我們也一起來努力啦因為我覺得應該要給人家的他不能因為只是來退輔會體系的就沒有領到這筆錢要繼續爭取\n\n29\n00:10:25,205 --> 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這塊地其實是一個保地所以主委我現在\n305569\t333364\t在直旋的時候約你喔你就帶著你的同仁一起來到我們那邊走一走看看相當漂亮的地方那另外還有一個題目也要請教主委就是我們退府會所屬的榮家相關的造福體系、長道體系坦白說做得不錯不管在我們那個網聊的你們新建的這個榮家或家裡榮家、白河榮家、板橋榮家我們在長照的業務\n334284\t344265\t不管是被照顧的居民跟醫護的比例大概都是相當符合標準可是從COVID-19的時候到現在我們就發現一個老問題\n345492\t373333\t我們退輔會製成一個國家就是你們跟衛福部他沒有把你納入像COVID的時候防疫有要求退輔會有要求農家可是在算那個去照顧染疫的收容的院民的時候那個補助你知道嗎那個attend那個看護要去照顧染疫的人我們在全台灣所有的長照單位都有補助當時本席後來就發現後來我們爭取成功嘛就發現防疫有要求你們\n374073\t399887\t在算那個照顧染疫居民的收容居民的補助的時候呢就沒有算你們說說這個農家不算我們衛福部的所以一毛都沒有形成在做一樣的事在照顧的時候要冒著染疫的風險去照顧染到COVID-19的人後來那個落差我們也經過多次協調才把那筆經費要到了後來那就顯示出一件事情就是在管理的規範上我們長照體系農家\n402808\t417447\t要符合衛福部的要求可是在相關的政府的輔導補助獎勵措施都沒你們的份我這邊又發現一件了我們現在長照體系大量的需要就是外聘的協助人員\n418348\t436486\t我們自己全部都自己招聘的話你們人事負擔太重所以我們的造福員Attend還有我們的護理人員其實有我看大概是1比4到1比5相當高的比例都是經過外部的人力仲介協助單位他其實專門服務我們的來協助\n439289\t448270\t媒合這些造福員跟護理師來到我們的農家體系這個那時候賴總統我們在參觀台南農家的時候有看到這個部分嗎\n449585\t475359\t我現在產生一個問題了現在勞動部有一個缺工就業獎勵補助這個缺工獎勵補助呢他補助一年半就他願意來這邊工作其中涵蓋的業別就有長照類涵蓋長照類的時候呢他前六個月補助多少後六個月補多少第三個六個月補助還有一個金額我印象補助到一萬多最後到四他好像是六千開始嘛\n476587\t494871\t五千、六千、七千吧就前面半年每個月多給你五千塊由勞動部支出然後後面半年六千然後第三個半年希望你長留久用給你七千之後穩定下來了這一個缺工就業獎勵補助我們這個退府會農家裡面的人領不到\n502793\t525845\t他領不到那我們也開了協調會了那我們退府會也表達意見了經過協調因為我們真正要照顧那些是做造福員做護理師的人不能因為他來退府會的農家服務要經過一個中轉機構也就是人力仲介機構他就不能享有國家這個獎勵措施所以我在追蹤的最新進度是我們經過協調之後呢現在勞動部會含詢退府會\n530447\t556454\t他已經函詢衛福部了衛福部的答案是樂見應該納入啊因為本來這個補助就是協助你停止就業一段時間又回到職場你來做護理師我們缺護理師你來做造福員我們要發展長照所以我們會有一個獎勵去補貼他的薪資讓他多領一些錢就我們現在這個排除在外只因為我們是經過人力仲介進來所以衛福部已經表達樂見納入\n559816\t583017\t專門針對喔這次專門針對退府會所屬榮家長照機構而不是適用一般的因為這是國家的機構應該要納入他們會函詢我們退府會的意見我不知道那個主委對這事情的了解還有你們後續的主委謝謝委員的支持跟指導還有協助我想這是我們退府會最需要突破的地方我們不管是榮業\n585058\t603385\t醫療機構護理支家住宿是長照還有我們容家照顧員跟部分護理人員這些我們多半都是勞務委員進來讓我們希望希望能夠一無預期招人招到人然後留人留住住人所以這個剛剛委員所指導的如何納入勞動目的缺工就業獎勵這\n604685\t623503\t比如說我們一直在繼續爭取的所以我希望委員能夠協助我們能夠一起來推我已經把你們四方召集開會開了幾次了現在最後你們表達意見那我們最後就是勞動部去認定我們也一起來努力啦因為我覺得應該要給人家的他不能因為只是來退輔會體系的就沒有領到這筆錢要繼續爭取\n625205\t652187\t好那他5月27號你們叫韓巡勞動部嘛那勞動部我們也會去跟洪森翰這個部長那邊來跟他溝通這一塊特別是我們國家所經營的非常標準的坦白講照顧品質也很好的我們的農家體系這影響很多人我印象你們的這樣的人員好像上千人以上這影響很多人的權益我們一起來努力爭取這樣好不好謝謝主委謝謝\n","txt":"麻煩我們退伏會主委有請主委\n王委員好主委早 辛苦了我有兩個問題要就教於您第一個是有關我們隆奇工廠過去在韓戰它都是TNT火藥的工廠那歷經歐新 歐新也廢止了然後這一個特定目的的區域叫做隆奇工業區一直希望廢止\n那廢紙當中就這341公頃怎麼廢紙也談了好幾年因為他不廢紙土地就沒辦法因為現在是地質公園他要變成地質公園跟他現在的特定目的的使用呢化為工業區是抵觸的那我也謝謝我們退府會及我們相關單位其實也花了相當長的時間來研究這個所以後來在\n發現經濟部跟經濟部工業局跟我們退府會就隆起工業區廢止這又牽涉到都市計畫所以又牽涉到都發局內政部相關單位一直有一些地方可能彼此的看法有所出入\n所以我們大概密集的開了幾次會最近兩次一次4月2號一次4月24號做出了幾個決議第一個就我們退府會擁有的部分是280公頃左右的土地先把它廢止讓它脫離原來工業區可以成為地質公園讓台南市政府好好規劃\n然後廢紙的程序要走到哪些流程我們都討論過了我這邊整理到我剛剛去追蹤的最新在4月29號退府會已經函請國產署出具廢紙同意書因為當年我們是根據在民國60幾年的時候有根據當時的條例去設置現在我們要把它\n還轉回去讓他回到原來屬於生態的土地用途所以退府會呢請國產署出具廢紙同業書那5月26號那就這兩天退府會也跟我們辦公室表達說近期國產署就會含附廢紙那\n地方人士還有台南市政府在關心的就是國產署含附廢紙同意書這一個在隆起全世界大概只有三個地方擁有的越世界地形這一塊土地下一步的程序是我們退服要做什麼動作還是經濟部工業局就您的了解 業管單位也可以 來\n跟委員報告隆起工業區這塊上次在4月24號經過協調會之後我們再按照協調會的結論來執行第一個經台南市政府確認依自然地景範圍來辦理部分廢紙\n第二个是经济部确认由本会议产业园区废止办法第八条提出由我们来提出申请第三个是因为废止范围都是公有土地所以将由经济部在官网来公告那我们退幅会在29号已经函请国产署那国产署也同意了要提供废止同意书\n我想後續我們會向經濟部提出申請部分的費值經濟部我們也約來跟處長開會了大概同意的流程都已經講好我現在只要確定時程這個原主委可能不曉得那個地方現在我有時候開車在那邊走會看到\n那個穿山甲帶著小朋友就穿山甲媽媽帶著穿山甲小baby在那邊路上走你知道嗎還有梅花鹿啊還會碰到很多野生動物那個區域其實好好規劃它有全世界圍山的二地形然後又有自然生態那我們也已經爭取成功讓西拉雅國家風景管理處涵蓋到這個範圍內所以未來那裡我們希望是比陽明山更漂亮更貼近人的一個區域所以我是想約原主委有空帶著所屬\n來那邊走一趟我們再去一趟308高地吃土雞啦去欣賞一下我們收到同意書以後因為相關的事情我們都準備好了收到同意書以後我們一個禮拜以內那個博山署有沒有告訴你什麼時候會回同意書他說儘快不 儘快有時候每個人認為的儘快不一樣我認為的儘快是今天下午我們外在催啦他說我們一接到同意書正式公文以後我們一個禮拜以內就可以向經濟部提出廢紙申請他如果需要的話\n本席也願意幫你們催促一下所以他的文來到你們這裡你下一個動作就是經濟部了嘛對 直接向經濟部提出申請經濟部再喊一個文 准 他就結束了所以他要公告 公告完畢以後就結束所以這邊就可以回到台南市政府市政府就沒有理由再不進行規劃了他就可以成為一個地質公園我們也希望台南市政府因為我們無償捐贈給台南市政府280公頃希望他趕快接收對 這塊地其實是一個保地所以主委我現在\n在直旋的時候約你喔你就帶著你的同仁一起來到我們那邊走一走看看相當漂亮的地方那另外還有一個題目也要請教主委就是我們退府會所屬的榮家相關的造福體系、長道體系坦白說做得不錯不管在我們那個網聊的你們新建的這個榮家或家裡榮家、白河榮家、板橋榮家我們在長照的業務\n不管是被照顧的居民跟醫護的比例大概都是相當符合標準可是從COVID-19的時候到現在我們就發現一個老問題\n我們退輔會製成一個國家就是你們跟衛福部他沒有把你納入像COVID的時候防疫有要求退輔會有要求農家可是在算那個去照顧染疫的收容的院民的時候那個補助你知道嗎那個attend那個看護要去照顧染疫的人我們在全台灣所有的長照單位都有補助當時本席後來就發現後來我們爭取成功嘛就發現防疫有要求你們\n在算那個照顧染疫居民的收容居民的補助的時候呢就沒有算你們說說這個農家不算我們衛福部的所以一毛都沒有形成在做一樣的事在照顧的時候要冒著染疫的風險去照顧染到COVID-19的人後來那個落差我們也經過多次協調才把那筆經費要到了後來那就顯示出一件事情就是在管理的規範上我們長照體系農家\n要符合衛福部的要求可是在相關的政府的輔導補助獎勵措施都沒你們的份我這邊又發現一件了我們現在長照體系大量的需要就是外聘的協助人員\n我們自己全部都自己招聘的話你們人事負擔太重所以我們的造福員Attend還有我們的護理人員其實有我看大概是1比4到1比5相當高的比例都是經過外部的人力仲介協助單位他其實專門服務我們的來協助\n媒合這些造福員跟護理師來到我們的農家體系這個那時候賴總統我們在參觀台南農家的時候有看到這個部分嗎\n我現在產生一個問題了現在勞動部有一個缺工就業獎勵補助這個缺工獎勵補助呢他補助一年半就他願意來這邊工作其中涵蓋的業別就有長照類涵蓋長照類的時候呢他前六個月補助多少後六個月補多少第三個六個月補助還有一個金額我印象補助到一萬多最後到四他好像是六千開始嘛\n五千、六千、七千吧就前面半年每個月多給你五千塊由勞動部支出然後後面半年六千然後第三個半年希望你長留久用給你七千之後穩定下來了這一個缺工就業獎勵補助我們這個退府會農家裡面的人領不到\n他領不到那我們也開了協調會了那我們退府會也表達意見了經過協調因為我們真正要照顧那些是做造福員做護理師的人不能因為他來退府會的農家服務要經過一個中轉機構也就是人力仲介機構他就不能享有國家這個獎勵措施所以我在追蹤的最新進度是我們經過協調之後呢現在勞動部會含詢退府會\n他已經函詢衛福部了衛福部的答案是樂見應該納入啊因為本來這個補助就是協助你停止就業一段時間又回到職場你來做護理師我們缺護理師你來做造福員我們要發展長照所以我們會有一個獎勵去補貼他的薪資讓他多領一些錢就我們現在這個排除在外只因為我們是經過人力仲介進來所以衛福部已經表達樂見納入\n專門針對喔這次專門針對退府會所屬榮家長照機構而不是適用一般的因為這是國家的機構應該要納入他們會函詢我們退府會的意見我不知道那個主委對這事情的了解還有你們後續的主委謝謝委員的支持跟指導還有協助我想這是我們退府會最需要突破的地方我們不管是榮業\n醫療機構護理支家住宿是長照還有我們容家照顧員跟部分護理人員這些我們多半都是勞務委員進來讓我們希望希望能夠一無預期招人招到人然後留人留住住人所以這個剛剛委員所指導的如何納入勞動目的缺工就業獎勵這\n比如說我們一直在繼續爭取的所以我希望委員能夠協助我們能夠一起來推我已經把你們四方召集開會開了幾次了現在最後你們表達意見那我們最後就是勞動部去認定我們也一起來努力啦因為我覺得應該要給人家的他不能因為只是來退輔會體系的就沒有領到這筆錢要繼續爭取\n好那他5月27號你們叫韓巡勞動部嘛那勞動部我們也會去跟洪森翰這個部長那邊來跟他溝通這一塊特別是我們國家所經營的非常標準的坦白講照顧品質也很好的我們的農家體系這影響很多人我印象你們的這樣的人員好像上千人以上這影響很多人的權益我們一起來努力爭取這樣好不好謝謝主委謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.672 --> 00:03.363\n麻煩我們退伏會主委有請主委\n\n00:11.451 --> 00:32.606\n王委員好主委早辛苦了我有兩個問題要就教於您第一個是有關我們隆奇工廠過去在韓戰它都是TNT火藥的工廠那歷經歐新歐新也廢止了然後這一個特定目的的區域叫做隆奇工業區一直希望廢止\n\n00:33.467 --> 00:57.714\n那廢紙當中就這341公頃怎麼廢紙也談了好幾年因為他不廢紙土地就沒辦法因為現在是地質公園他要變成地質公園跟他現在的特定目的的使用呢化為工業區是抵觸的那我也謝謝我們退府會及我們相關單位其實也花了相當長的時間來研究這個所以後來在\n\n01:01.196 --> 01:15.348\n發現經濟部跟經濟部工業局跟我們退府會就隆起工業區廢止這又牽涉到都市計畫所以又牽涉到都發局內政部相關單位一直有一些地方可能彼此的看法有所出入\n\n01:15.968 --> 01:39.281\n所以我們大概密集的開了幾次會最近兩次一次4月2號一次4月24號做出了幾個決議第一個就我們退府會擁有的部分是280公頃左右的土地先把它廢止讓它脫離原來工業區可以成為地質公園讓台南市政府好好規劃\n\n01:40.382 --> 02:01.389\n然後廢紙的程序要走到哪些流程我們都討論過了我這邊整理到我剛剛去追蹤的最新在4月29號退府會已經函請國產署出具廢紙同意書因為當年我們是根據在民國60幾年的時候有根據當時的條例去設置現在我們要把它\n\n02:02.490 --> 02:20.447\n還轉回去讓他回到原來屬於生態的土地用途所以退府會呢請國產署出具廢紙同業書那5月26號那就這兩天退府會也跟我們辦公室表達說近期國產署就會含附廢紙那\n\n02:21.601 --> 02:43.206\n地方人士還有台南市政府在關心的就是國產署含附廢紙同意書這一個在隆起全世界大概只有三個地方擁有的越世界地形這一塊土地下一步的程序是我們退服要做什麼動作還是經濟部工業局就您的了解業管單位也可以來\n\n02:44.219 --> 02:59.091\n跟委員報告隆起工業區這塊上次在4月24號經過協調會之後我們再按照協調會的結論來執行第一個經台南市政府確認依自然地景範圍來辦理部分廢紙\n\n03:01.132 --> 03:22.320\n第二个是经济部确认由本会议产业园区废止办法第八条提出由我们来提出申请第三个是因为废止范围都是公有土地所以将由经济部在官网来公告那我们退幅会在29号已经函请国产署那国产署也同意了要提供废止同意书\n\n03:23.400 --> 03:37.281\n我想後續我們會向經濟部提出申請部分的費值經濟部我們也約來跟處長開會了大概同意的流程都已經講好我現在只要確定時程這個原主委可能不曉得那個地方現在我有時候開車在那邊走會看到\n\n03:39.304 --> 04:07.690\n那個穿山甲帶著小朋友就穿山甲媽媽帶著穿山甲小baby在那邊路上走你知道嗎還有梅花鹿啊還會碰到很多野生動物那個區域其實好好規劃它有全世界圍山的二地形然後又有自然生態那我們也已經爭取成功讓西拉雅國家風景管理處涵蓋到這個範圍內所以未來那裡我們希望是比陽明山更漂亮更貼近人的一個區域所以我是想約原主委有空帶著所屬\n\n04:08.730 --> 04:36.568\n來那邊走一趟我們再去一趟308高地吃土雞啦去欣賞一下我們收到同意書以後因為相關的事情我們都準備好了收到同意書以後我們一個禮拜以內那個博山署有沒有告訴你什麼時候會回同意書他說儘快不儘快有時候每個人認為的儘快不一樣我認為的儘快是今天下午我們外在催啦他說我們一接到同意書正式公文以後我們一個禮拜以內就可以向經濟部提出廢紙申請他如果需要的話\n\n04:37.488 --> 05:04.809\n本席也願意幫你們催促一下所以他的文來到你們這裡你下一個動作就是經濟部了嘛對直接向經濟部提出申請經濟部再喊一個文准他就結束了所以他要公告公告完畢以後就結束所以這邊就可以回到台南市政府市政府就沒有理由再不進行規劃了他就可以成為一個地質公園我們也希望台南市政府因為我們無償捐贈給台南市政府280公頃希望他趕快接收對這塊地其實是一個保地所以主委我現在\n\n05:05.569 --> 05:33.364\n在直旋的時候約你喔你就帶著你的同仁一起來到我們那邊走一走看看相當漂亮的地方那另外還有一個題目也要請教主委就是我們退府會所屬的榮家相關的造福體系、長道體系坦白說做得不錯不管在我們那個網聊的你們新建的這個榮家或家裡榮家、白河榮家、板橋榮家我們在長照的業務\n\n05:34.284 --> 05:44.265\n不管是被照顧的居民跟醫護的比例大概都是相當符合標準可是從COVID-19的時候到現在我們就發現一個老問題\n\n05:45.492 --> 06:13.333\n我們退輔會製成一個國家就是你們跟衛福部他沒有把你納入像COVID的時候防疫有要求退輔會有要求農家可是在算那個去照顧染疫的收容的院民的時候那個補助你知道嗎那個attend那個看護要去照顧染疫的人我們在全台灣所有的長照單位都有補助當時本席後來就發現後來我們爭取成功嘛就發現防疫有要求你們\n\n06:14.073 --> 06:39.887\n在算那個照顧染疫居民的收容居民的補助的時候呢就沒有算你們說說這個農家不算我們衛福部的所以一毛都沒有形成在做一樣的事在照顧的時候要冒著染疫的風險去照顧染到COVID-19的人後來那個落差我們也經過多次協調才把那筆經費要到了後來那就顯示出一件事情就是在管理的規範上我們長照體系農家\n\n06:42.808 --> 06:57.447\n要符合衛福部的要求可是在相關的政府的輔導補助獎勵措施都沒你們的份我這邊又發現一件了我們現在長照體系大量的需要就是外聘的協助人員\n\n06:58.348 --> 07:16.486\n我們自己全部都自己招聘的話你們人事負擔太重所以我們的造福員Attend還有我們的護理人員其實有我看大概是1比4到1比5相當高的比例都是經過外部的人力仲介協助單位他其實專門服務我們的來協助\n\n07:19.289 --> 07:28.270\n媒合這些造福員跟護理師來到我們的農家體系這個那時候賴總統我們在參觀台南農家的時候有看到這個部分嗎\n\n07:29.585 --> 07:55.359\n我現在產生一個問題了現在勞動部有一個缺工就業獎勵補助這個缺工獎勵補助呢他補助一年半就他願意來這邊工作其中涵蓋的業別就有長照類涵蓋長照類的時候呢他前六個月補助多少後六個月補多少第三個六個月補助還有一個金額我印象補助到一萬多最後到四他好像是六千開始嘛\n\n07:56.587 --> 08:14.871\n五千、六千、七千吧就前面半年每個月多給你五千塊由勞動部支出然後後面半年六千然後第三個半年希望你長留久用給你七千之後穩定下來了這一個缺工就業獎勵補助我們這個退府會農家裡面的人領不到\n\n08:22.793 --> 08:45.845\n他領不到那我們也開了協調會了那我們退府會也表達意見了經過協調因為我們真正要照顧那些是做造福員做護理師的人不能因為他來退府會的農家服務要經過一個中轉機構也就是人力仲介機構他就不能享有國家這個獎勵措施所以我在追蹤的最新進度是我們經過協調之後呢現在勞動部會含詢退府會\n\n08:50.447 --> 09:16.454\n他已經函詢衛福部了衛福部的答案是樂見應該納入啊因為本來這個補助就是協助你停止就業一段時間又回到職場你來做護理師我們缺護理師你來做造福員我們要發展長照所以我們會有一個獎勵去補貼他的薪資讓他多領一些錢就我們現在這個排除在外只因為我們是經過人力仲介進來所以衛福部已經表達樂見納入\n\n09:19.816 --> 09:43.017\n專門針對喔這次專門針對退府會所屬榮家長照機構而不是適用一般的因為這是國家的機構應該要納入他們會函詢我們退府會的意見我不知道那個主委對這事情的了解還有你們後續的主委謝謝委員的支持跟指導還有協助我想這是我們退府會最需要突破的地方我們不管是榮業\n\n09:45.058 --> 10:03.385\n醫療機構護理支家住宿是長照還有我們容家照顧員跟部分護理人員這些我們多半都是勞務委員進來讓我們希望希望能夠一無預期招人招到人然後留人留住住人所以這個剛剛委員所指導的如何納入勞動目的缺工就業獎勵這\n\n10:04.685 --> 10:23.503\n比如說我們一直在繼續爭取的所以我希望委員能夠協助我們能夠一起來推我已經把你們四方召集開會開了幾次了現在最後你們表達意見那我們最後就是勞動部去認定我們也一起來努力啦因為我覺得應該要給人家的他不能因為只是來退輔會體系的就沒有領到這筆錢要繼續爭取\n\n10:25.205 --> 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退輔會榮家裡面的人領不到，我們也開了協調會了，退輔會也表達意見，經過協調……我們真正要照顧的是做照服員、做護理師的人，不能因為他來退輔會的榮家服務要經過一個中轉機構，也就是人力仲介機構，他就不能享有國家這個獎勵措施。我現在追蹤的最新進度是，我們經過協調之後，現在勞動部會函詢退輔會，它已經函詢衛福部了，衛福部的答案是樂見，應該納入啊！因為本來這個補助就是協助停止就業一段時間，又回到職場來的人，你來做護理師，我們缺護理師；你來做照服員，我們要發展長照，所以我們會有一個獎勵去補貼他的薪資，讓他多領一些錢。現在這個排除在外，只因為他們是經過人力仲介進來。衛福部已經表達樂見納入，這是專門針對退輔會所屬榮家長照機構，而不是適用一般的，因為這是國家的機構應該要納入，勞動部會函詢退輔會的意見，我不知道主委對這個事情的了解，還有沒有後續的處理？"],["嚴主任委員德發：謝謝委員的支持跟指導還有協助，我想這是退輔會最需要突破的地方，我們不管是榮院、醫療機構、護理之家、住宿式長照還有榮家，照服員跟部分護理人員多半都是勞務委外進來，我們希望能夠一如預期，招人招得到人、留人留得住人。剛剛委員所指導如何納入勞動部缺工就業獎勵，也是我們一直在積極爭取的，所以我希望委員能夠協助我們，一起來推動……"],["王委員定宇：我已經把你們四方召集開會，開了幾次了。"],["嚴主任委員德發：我們希望最後能夠納入。"],["王委員定宇：現在你們表達意見，最後就是勞動部去認定，我們也一起來努力，因為我覺得應該要給人家的，他不能因為只是來退輔會體系，就沒有領到這筆錢。"],["嚴主任委員德發：是，我們要積極爭取。"],["王委員定宇：好，他5月27號……你們知道函詢勞動部嘛，我們也會去跟勞動部洪申翰部長溝通，這一塊特別是我們國家所經營的、非常標準的，坦白講照顧品質也很好的榮家體系，這影響很多人，我印象中你們這樣的人員好像上千人以上，這影響很多人的權益，我們一起來努力爭取，好不好？"],["嚴主任委員德發：是，謝謝委員。"],["王委員定宇：謝謝主委，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝定宇委員，主委請回。","接下來，有請馬文君委員上臺。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":194,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-35-18","speakers":["沈伯洋","陳俊宇","黃仁","林楚茵","林憶君","陳冠廷","王定宇","馬文君","羅美玲","徐巧芯"],"page_start":141,"meetingDate":["2025-05-28"],"gazette_id":"1145401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1145401_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、處理院會交付114年度中央政府總預算決議，僑務委員會主管預算凍結案等16案；二、處理\n院會交付114年度中央政府總預算決議，國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主管預算凍結案等40案","agenda_id":"1145401_00004"}}}