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00:00:50,284\n雖然今年還是沒有辦法敲開這個大門不過這個未卜部同仁的用心我還是要給予肯定因為在第一線其實看得很清楚那但是回到國內你的挑戰其實蠻多的第一個我要先問大家最關注的現在疫情的問題事實上我在瑞士去訪問這個老人養護機構的時候他們其實也有表達瑞士的衛生部門已經提醒他們就是疫情即將在起\n\n4\n00:01:09,370 --> 00:01:19,178\n所以也提醒大家做好各項的準備那回到台灣其實昨天疾管署剛發布的數據我想讓國人其實也開始擔心起來因為這樣的一個數據的攀升我覺得有點超乎疾管署原來的預期因為過去你們的預期可能預計到6月底可能是6到7萬但現在已經瞬間調高那個數字可能會高達20萬\n\n5\n00:01:34,190 --> 00:01:56,939\n所以代表現在的疫情其實是來得又急又猛那在這樣的情況底下我要就教部長的是我們過去在防疫的措施我們會有很多不同的措施那第一個是大家關心的是我們相關的防疫的物資可不可以到位然後足不足夠的問題那現在是快篩大家其實都買不到\n\n6\n00:01:58,086 --> 00:02:25,695\n那你什麼時候這個量能可以跟得上這個部分部長是不是可以回應一下首先我還是謝謝委員對我們世衛行動團的努力給個肯定我特別感謝我們這次世衛行動團的確各個都是一個當好幾個用也很努力都是各部門的所長\n\n7\n00:02:26,815 --> 00:02:47,956\n那最重要就是我們立委四島團的三位委員,包括王一鳴委員、王正旭委員、劉淑敏委員真的非常用心,不但陪著我們四位團打仗,還做國會外交,也跑到瑞士博恩去做很好的國會外交,也去參觀相關的機構,真的是充分發揮我們立法委員到\n\n8\n00:02:48,757 --> 00:02:59,535\n國外的一個國際的外交這個我們也非常感動特別王委員的努力王委員的努力非常敬佩至於在防疫方面我想\n\n9\n00:03:01,584 --> 00:03:24,460\n在藥物跟疫苗方面這個絕對十分充分沒有問題那在快篩家用快篩的部分其實是這樣子因為在還沒有疫情的時候它當然產線就不產鋪路也會沒有那麼快但是一旦我們現在已經會發現這個疫情的時候我們馬上啟動而且都必須要譬如說\n\n10\n00:03:26,122 --> 00:03:49,680\n機關署說的估計的一個量,我們一定要廠商做超過這個量而且現在已經不但是量而已,而且鋪路也要鋪下去所以各位也許在前面一個禮拜,在個別的社區藥局會比較難買得到但是因為他們沒有,因為他們本來就沒在賣了嘛所以你們要鋪到個別的社區藥局比較困難所以重點我們先鋪兩個,一個是連鎖藥局\n\n11\n00:03:56,045 --> 00:04:19,083\n另外就是有個超商,三大超商現在已經都鋪路了,比如說萊爾富、全家還有康世美都已經有貨了,現在嗎?像今天就會出了4萬,4萬出來那也許莊署長一直想要報告,我就想要做相關的,沒有沒有,姜署長\n\n12\n00:04:20,031 --> 00:04:42,349\n我這邊跟委員說明一下因為民眾都很關心所以你清楚告訴大家哪一些通路現在買得到一定要先做一下謝謝委員的指導也讓我們這邊可以宣傳一下所以機關署跟我們食藥署通例其實5月9號的時候就接到相關訊息也跟廠商直接就面對面去談過那我覺得他們過去最近有廠商也銷毀了800萬劑是因為國企\n\n13\n00:04:45,231 --> 00:05:08,834\n所以他們面對這一次的反應我們強力的希望之下呢動起來了那動起來的時間時效性上我們承認在可能這一個禮拜內大概到這個禮拜結束之前應該就進入趕上因為我們評過盤過有機關署這邊給我們資訊所以我們先建立了在我們的網路的第一頁裡面就有家用快摔點進去\n\n14\n00:05:10,387 --> 00:05:35,864\n哪邊買得到現在地圖上面都有點進去之後呢我們其實會有我們現在的連鎖藥局以及我們的超商的部分點進去現在有通路那現在不見得每一間都鋪進去的因為鋪貨的部分是在通路的部分那我們也尊重他們鋪路的一個方式我們盡量希望能夠揭露他們所有民眾可以用這樣的途徑可以就近的先確定到底這一家有還是沒有第一件事情\n\n15\n00:05:36,124 --> 00:06:02,963\n你上面也沒有顯示亮沒有你的冰土灶有沒有顯示亮因為之前那個口罩冰土它是會告訴大家有沒有亮因為民眾會有撲空的問題啊我們現在也請這個通路的不管是超商還是藥局的民俗藥局能夠把亮的部分也能夠列進去所以在這個階段裡面它還沒有完全建置到那麼完整就可能要請各位民眾的時候要辛苦一下抱歉能夠把\n\n16\n00:06:03,743 --> 00:06:17,539\n他們能夠在裡面可以自考可以諮詢可以確立我想在這個禮拜內我們的量其實我們就應該可以算這個禮拜有四萬份會上不是今天而已不是這個禮拜今天就四萬那你現在每天量產多少他們報給我的量到六十幾萬份但是實際上我們看到的是還沒有到那麼的量\n\n17\n00:06:22,665 --> 00:06:37,751\n一個禮拜一個禮拜有60萬然後一天有4萬份嘛好這個部分我是幫民眾問的因為現在很多人都是一家一個人感染可能是全家都重所以他們很需要先確認自己是不是得到了COVID然後\n\n18\n00:06:38,302 --> 00:06:52,659\n他可以尋求更好的治療所以這個部分我要求齁這個快篩的部分就是一定要盡快到位這個是目前我看到民眾的焦慮所以為民請命齁一定要盡快做到好不好這個一定全力以赴請民眾安心好第二個呢\n\n19\n00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,924\n對第二個就是說在公共衛生的宣導方面過去你們會運用很多電視的跑馬燈啊廣告啊但是現在這波疫情已經在期了看起來是來勢洶洶我現在還沒有看到你們在各大媒體譬如說跑馬燈不斷的提醒大家或者是公眾的這些捷運系統提醒大家\n\n20\n00:07:14,082 --> 00:07:24,367\n戴好口罩這件事情現在已經變成是一個很重要的事情我覺得這事情你們還沒有做我希望可以做另外一個就是高風險的像這些長照機構過去我們是最擔心說這個來訪然後大家不戴口罩然後他可能本身已經有感染然後去了之後反而變成是機構的整個的群聚感染\n\n21\n00:07:35,772 --> 00:08:02,717\n那這一塊的強化他的管制跟風險我也沒有看到你們有更進一步的強化措施因為昨天看到羅一鈞他只是說鼓勵大家戴口罩他只是鼓勵但是你們現在如果隨著疫情的升溫我覺得這一些高風險弱勢族群的優先保護你們應該要回到你們過去疫情時代有些必要的措施該採取的譬如說如果是長照機構都是老人他是不是一律要戴口罩去探視\n\n22\n00:08:03,457 --> 00:08:31,347\n像這樣的一個措施你們什麼時候要啟動有沒有評估要啟動這個部分我們都有在做我想莊署長也利用這個機會跟大家現場好來署長你說那有關長照機構的部分那事實上我們在5月20號就是的時候再有發文就請他們去注重這個感染管制的一個部分那再來就是昨天我們事實上也有請這個衛生局跟長照機構就是說如果其實我們目前長照機構的這個\n\n23\n00:08:32,788 --> 00:08:50,090\n接種率已經就第一劑的接種率有四成到七成是不同的這個潮濤機構的管理單位而言那我們有再請他們說針對這個部分再去這個看是不是有可能打第二劑或第一劑還沒打完可以再繼續打這個部分都有在進行以上報告\n\n24\n00:08:50,731 --> 00:09:17,022\n所以口罩部分沒有去探視的沒有要求要戴口罩我們剛剛說第一部分就是有關感染管制的部分的確在5月20號的時候有請他們去注意那口罩部分應該也是在這個裡面有在裡面去做提醒我希望這個部分不要鬆懈因為一鬆懈之後看起來這一次的傳染力還是高的所以應該就是要拿出這個比較\n\n25\n00:09:18,354 --> 00:09:35,752\n严正一代的这样的一个态度做好这一波的防疫好不好是的好那接下来我要问一下就是今天有关于儿童托育专法你们没有入法的但是我觉得很重要的条文第一个呢就是催少者保护条款应该要入法这个是在我的版本里面我特别去提到的\n\n26\n00:09:37,594 --> 00:09:47,076\n那主要就是看到過去在幼兒園特別是之前發生這個毛俊生案他是從111年到112年連續的性侵跟偷拍多位孩童那就是因為他媽媽是園長然後裡面大家礙於壓力也沒有吹哨子也不敢舉報所以呢就是很晚才發現導致多名孩童受害\n\n27\n00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:18,208\n那類似這樣的情況也有可能發生在0到2歲的機構當中所以因為在你們的版本我沒有看到任何吹哨者的保護條款但我的版本有我想問一下這個整個衛福部部長你的意見是如何我想會長建配委員提出\n\n28\n00:10:19,709 --> 00:10:38,102\n蠻多建議的,大概有幾乎都是在其他的條例或者其他的規定會做到,我們一定都把它落實至於剛剛有人提及的吹哨者,是不是我們請周代理市長回答一下\n\n29\n00:10:39,367 --> 00:11:01,601\n跟委員報告,那有關這個吹哨者的部分目前確實在行政院版的條文裡面目前是還沒有訂的那這個後面在個別條文的時候我們可以來做一個討論那當然現在我們也會再去檢索一下目前已經有的那個現行的法律裡面其他通案性的對於吹哨者有一些保護的部分如果已經可以再適用的話也可以一併可以做一個參考\n\n30\n00:11:02,901 --> 00:11:11,888\n我想這個部分是對於孩子保護特別0到20歲他完全沒有語言表達能力這個部分更需要我們大人來做第二個部分是監管員的部分我也贊成這個整個監管員其實是可以做到\n\n31\n00:11:17,893 --> 00:11:21,016\n但是在做到的過程當中同時我也聽到這個托育相關業者他們是有一些反彈跟聲音那主要就是他們為了這個監管與的借鑑其實他很多的設備要更改第一個就是說他的費用你們有沒有去想到在這個過程當中他們為了\n\n32\n00:11:37,050 --> 00:12:01,012\n達成這個監管員的目標這當中政府是不是給予適當的一個補助另外一個就是溝通就是業者會覺得好像政府都把他們當賊看了就是但是他們在第一線他覺得他們也很辛苦啊他們多數其實是不想傷害孩子的但是我們整個保護機制是因為有少數他其實就是傷害了孩子所以我們才必須用這麼強制的手段但是我覺得\n\n33\n00:12:01,953 --> 00:12:12,660\n這個整個中央政府、地方政府跟業者其實是三位一體大家是共同要來推動這個保護孩子、照顧孩子的工作的所以過程當中我也建議不要太讓業者覺得有被汙名化或者是說有這種敵意就是整個社會上好像對他們產生極大不信任感跟敵意而是應該你們跟他可以有一個比較好的溝通\n\n34\n00:12:24,987 --> 00:12:34,814\n那到底他的困難在哪裡我們理解他的困難我們提供資源然後往這個目標邁進我覺得這個才是合作夥伴因為其實第一線坦白講那個經營也沒有那麼的容易其實也是很辛苦的照顧工作那這個部分我希望這個要提醒部長你們在實施一個好的政策的時候溝通也是很重要資源到位也是很重要\n\n35\n00:12:48,464 --> 00:12:52,747\n我比較贊成是從一個輔導的角度去共同達到這個目標而不是從可能有發生這樣的一個案例然後就對這個低限的這一些照顧的業者就是產生標籤化或者是有產生敵意我覺得這樣子好像也不是一個好的對於整體照顧環境未來更好的方向\n\n36\n00:13:09,926 --> 00:13:30,941\n好謝謝委員這樣的指教這個就好像醫病關係啦醫病關係不是對你的啦是大家共同為了病人的健康在努力一樣我們都是為了小孩子為了讓家長安心我們自己都養過小孩這疼命命對不對一個小孩子鬆弛器那種怎麼樣讓他\n\n37\n00:13:32,102 --> 00:13:48,281\n安心我想照顧的人也很希望給家長安心所以不要自己或者是不要彼此任何汙名化而是大家共同來創造一個更文明更保護小孩的一個國家一個環境用這樣的理念來講\n\n38\n00:13:49,542 --> 00:14:10,959\n任何對這方面有幫助的都是光榮的事情但是有困難的話那我希望你們資源要到位好不好我們只有要求就是說業者當中需要的一些資訊協助設備協助你們應該要提供資源我們會了解困難來幫忙我們就是攜手合作然後把孩子照顧好我想這個才是我們這次修法的一個目的跟目標好不好好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n219\t4303\t接下來請王育民委員謝謝主席 我們是不是有請邱部長\n17918\t38954\t委員好部長好部長你辛苦了這個世衛行動團我也跟著到前線去我可以看到其實包括部長次長還有出席的同仁大家都非常辛苦了在第一線為了台灣的醫療如何可以進到重返WHA大家其實是做了很多的努力\n39901\t50284\t雖然今年還是沒有辦法敲開這個大門不過這個未卜部同仁的用心我還是要給予肯定因為在第一線其實看得很清楚那但是回到國內你的挑戰其實蠻多的第一個我要先問大家最關注的現在疫情的問題事實上我在瑞士去訪問這個老人養護機構的時候他們其實也有表達瑞士的衛生部門已經提醒他們就是疫情即將在起\n69370\t79178\t所以也提醒大家做好各項的準備那回到台灣其實昨天疾管署剛發布的數據我想讓國人其實也開始擔心起來因為這樣的一個數據的攀升我覺得有點超乎疾管署原來的預期因為過去你們的預期可能預計到6月底可能是6到7萬但現在已經瞬間調高那個數字可能會高達20萬\n94190\t116939\t所以代表現在的疫情其實是來得又急又猛那在這樣的情況底下我要就教部長的是我們過去在防疫的措施我們會有很多不同的措施那第一個是大家關心的是我們相關的防疫的物資可不可以到位然後足不足夠的問題那現在是快篩大家其實都買不到\n118086\t145695\t那你什麼時候這個量能可以跟得上這個部分部長是不是可以回應一下首先我還是謝謝委員對我們世衛行動團的努力給個肯定我特別感謝我們這次世衛行動團的確各個都是一個當好幾個用也很努力都是各部門的所長\n146815\t167956\t那最重要就是我們立委四島團的三位委員,包括王一鳴委員、王正旭委員、劉淑敏委員真的非常用心,不但陪著我們四位團打仗,還做國會外交,也跑到瑞士博恩去做很好的國會外交,也去參觀相關的機構,真的是充分發揮我們立法委員到\n168757\t179535\t國外的一個國際的外交這個我們也非常感動特別王委員的努力王委員的努力非常敬佩至於在防疫方面我想\n181584\t204460\t在藥物跟疫苗方面 這個絕對十分充分 沒有問題那在快篩 家用快篩的部分其實是這樣子 因為在還沒有疫情的時候 它當然產線就不產 鋪路也會沒有那麼快但是一旦我們現在已經會發現這個疫情的時候 我們馬上啟動而且都必須要 譬如說\n206122\t229680\t機關署說的估計的一個量,我們一定要廠商做超過這個量而且現在已經不但是量而已,而且鋪路也要鋪下去所以各位也許在前面一個禮拜,在個別的社區藥局會比較難買得到但是因為他們沒有,因為他們本來就沒在賣了嘛所以你們要鋪到個別的社區藥局比較困難所以重點我們先鋪兩個,一個是連鎖藥局\n236045\t259083\t另外就是有個超商,三大超商現在已經都鋪路了,比如說萊爾富、全家還有康世美都已經有貨了,現在嗎?像今天就會出了4萬,4萬出來那也許莊署長一直想要報告,我就想要做相關的,沒有沒有,姜署長\n260031\t282349\t我這邊跟委員說明一下因為民眾都很關心所以你清楚告訴大家哪一些通路現在買得到一定要先做一下謝謝委員的指導也讓我們這邊可以宣傳一下所以機關署跟我們食藥署通例其實5月9號的時候就接到相關訊息也跟廠商直接就面對面去談過那我覺得他們過去最近有廠商也銷毀了800萬劑是因為國企\n285231\t308834\t所以他們面對這一次的反應我們強力的希望之下呢動起來了那動起來的時間時效性上我們承認在可能這一個禮拜內大概到這個禮拜結束之前應該就進入趕上因為我們評過盤過有機關署這邊給我們資訊所以我們先建立了在我們的網路的第一頁裡面就有家用快摔點進去\n310387\t335864\t哪邊買得到現在地圖上面都有點進去之後呢我們其實會有我們現在的連鎖藥局以及我們的超商的部分點進去現在有通路那現在不見得每一間都鋪進去的因為鋪貨的部分是在通路的部分那我們也尊重他們鋪路的一個方式我們盡量希望能夠揭露他們所有民眾可以用這樣的途徑可以就近的先確定到底這一家有還是沒有第一件事情\n336124\t362963\t你上面也沒有顯示亮沒有 你的冰土灶有沒有顯示亮因為之前那個口罩冰土它是會告訴大家有沒有亮因為民眾會有撲空的問題啊我們現在也請這個通路的不管是超商還是藥局的民俗藥局能夠把亮的部分也能夠列進去所以在這個階段裡面它還沒有完全建置到那麼完整就可能要請各位民眾的時候要辛苦一下抱歉 能夠把\n363743\t377539\t他們能夠在裡面可以自考可以諮詢可以確立我想在這個禮拜內我們的量其實我們就應該可以算這個禮拜有四萬份會上不是今天而已不是這個禮拜今天就四萬那你現在每天量產多少他們報給我的量到六十幾萬份但是實際上我們看到的是還沒有到那麼的量\n382665\t397751\t一個禮拜一個禮拜有60萬然後一天有4萬份嘛好這個部分我是幫民眾問的因為現在很多人都是一家一個人感染可能是全家都重所以他們很需要先確認自己是不是得到了COVID然後\n398302\t412659\t他可以尋求更好的治療所以這個部分我要求齁這個快篩的部分就是一定要盡快到位這個是目前我看到民眾的焦慮所以為民請命齁一定要盡快做到好不好這個一定全力以赴請民眾安心好第二個呢\n413960\t416924\t對第二個就是說在公共衛生的宣導方面過去你們會運用很多電視的跑馬燈啊廣告啊但是現在這波疫情已經在期了看起來是來勢洶洶我現在還沒有看到你們在各大媒體譬如說跑馬燈不斷的提醒大家或者是公眾的這些捷運系統提醒大家\n434082\t444367\t戴好口罩這件事情現在已經變成是一個很重要的事情我覺得這事情你們還沒有做我希望可以做另外一個就是高風險的像這些長照機構過去我們是最擔心說這個來訪然後大家不戴口罩然後他可能本身已經有感染然後去了之後反而變成是機構的整個的群聚感染\n455772\t482717\t那這一塊的強化他的管制跟風險我也沒有看到你們有更進一步的強化措施因為昨天看到羅一鈞他只是說鼓勵大家戴口罩他只是鼓勵但是你們現在如果隨著疫情的升溫我覺得這一些高風險弱勢族群的優先保護你們應該要回到你們過去疫情時代有些必要的措施該採取的譬如說如果是長照機構都是老人他是不是一律要戴口罩去探視\n483457\t511347\t像這樣的一個措施你們什麼時候要啟動有沒有評估要啟動這個部分我們都有在做我想莊署長也利用這個機會跟大家現場好來署長你說那有關長照機構的部分那事實上我們在5月20號就是的時候再有發文就請他們去注重這個感染管制的一個部分那再來就是昨天我們事實上也有請這個衛生局跟長照機構就是說如果其實我們目前長照機構的這個\n512788\t530090\t接種率已經就第一劑的接種率有四成到七成是不同的這個潮濤機構的管理單位而言那我們有再請他們說針對這個部分再去這個看是不是有可能打第二劑或第一劑還沒打完可以再繼續打這個部分都有在進行以上報告\n530731\t557022\t所以口罩部分沒有去探視的沒有要求要戴口罩我們剛剛說第一部分就是有關感染管制的部分的確在5月20號的時候有請他們去注意那口罩部分應該也是在這個裡面有在裡面去做提醒我希望這個部分不要鬆懈因為一鬆懈之後看起來這一次的傳染力還是高的所以應該就是要拿出這個比較\n558354\t575752\t严正一代的这样的一个态度做好这一波的防疫好不好是的好那接下来我要问一下就是今天有关于儿童托育专法你们没有入法的但是我觉得很重要的条文第一个呢就是催少者保护条款应该要入法这个是在我的版本里面我特别去提到的\n577594\t587076\t那主要就是看到過去在幼兒園特別是之前發生這個毛俊生案他是從111年到112年連續的性侵跟偷拍多位孩童那就是因為他媽媽是園長然後裡面大家礙於壓力也沒有吹哨子也不敢舉報所以呢就是很晚才發現導致多名孩童受害\n600760\t618208\t那類似這樣的情況也有可能發生在0到2歲的機構當中所以因為在你們的版本我沒有看到任何吹哨者的保護條款但我的版本有我想問一下這個整個衛福部部長你的意見是如何我想會長建配委員提出\n619709\t638102\t蠻多建議的,大概有幾乎都是在其他的條例或者其他的規定會做到,我們一定都把它落實至於剛剛有人提及的吹哨者,是不是我們請周代理市長回答一下\n639367\t661601\t跟委員報告,那有關這個吹哨者的部分目前確實在行政院版的條文裡面目前是還沒有訂的那這個後面在個別條文的時候我們可以來做一個討論那當然現在我們也會再去檢索一下目前已經有的那個現行的法律裡面其他通案性的對於吹哨者有一些保護的部分如果已經可以再適用的話也可以一併可以做一個參考\n662901\t671888\t我想這個部分是對於孩子保護特別0到20歲他完全沒有語言表達能力這個部分更需要我們大人來做第二個部分是監管員的部分我也贊成這個整個監管員其實是可以做到\n677893\t681016\t但是在做到的過程當中同時我也聽到這個托育相關業者他們是有一些反彈跟聲音那主要就是他們為了這個監管與的借鑑其實他很多的設備要更改第一個就是說他的費用你們有沒有去想到在這個過程當中他們為了\n697050\t721012\t達成這個監管員的目標這當中政府是不是給予適當的一個補助另外一個就是溝通就是業者會覺得好像政府都把他們當賊看了就是但是他們在第一線他覺得他們也很辛苦啊他們多數其實是不想傷害孩子的但是我們整個保護機制是因為有少數他其實就是傷害了孩子所以我們才必須用這麼強制的手段但是我覺得\n721953\t732660\t這個整個中央政府、地方政府跟業者其實是三位一體大家是共同要來推動這個保護孩子、照顧孩子的工作的所以過程當中我也建議不要太讓業者覺得有被汙名化或者是說有這種敵意就是整個社會上好像對他們產生極大不信任感跟敵意而是應該你們跟他可以有一個比較好的溝通\n744987\t754814\t那到底他的困難在哪裡我們理解他的困難我們提供資源然後往這個目標邁進我覺得這個才是合作夥伴因為其實第一線坦白講那個經營也沒有那麼的容易其實也是很辛苦的照顧工作那這個部分我希望這個要提醒部長你們在實施一個好的政策的時候溝通也是很重要資源到位也是很重要\n768464\t772747\t我比較贊成是從一個輔導的角度去共同達到這個目標而不是從可能有發生這樣的一個案例然後就對這個低限的這一些照顧的業者就是產生標籤化或者是有產生敵意我覺得這樣子好像也不是一個好的對於整體照顧環境未來更好的方向\n789926\t810941\t好 謝謝委員這樣的指教 這個就好像醫病關係啦醫病關係不是對你的啦 是大家共同為了病人的健康在努力一樣我們都是為了小孩子 為了讓家長安心我們自己都養過小孩 這疼命命對不對一個小孩子鬆弛器那種 怎麼樣讓他\n812102\t828281\t安心我想照顧的人也很希望給家長安心所以不要自己或者是不要彼此任何汙名化而是大家共同來創造一個更文明更保護小孩的一個國家一個環境用這樣的理念來講\n829542\t850959\t任何對這方面有幫助的都是光榮的事情但是有困難的話那我希望你們資源要到位好不好我們只有要求就是說業者當中需要的一些資訊協助設備協助你們應該要提供資源我們會了解困難來幫忙我們就是攜手合作然後把孩子照顧好我想這個才是我們這次修法的一個目的跟目標好不好好謝謝\n","txt":"接下來請王育民委員謝謝主席 我們是不是有請邱部長\n委員好部長好部長你辛苦了這個世衛行動團我也跟著到前線去我可以看到其實包括部長次長還有出席的同仁大家都非常辛苦了在第一線為了台灣的醫療如何可以進到重返WHA大家其實是做了很多的努力\n雖然今年還是沒有辦法敲開這個大門不過這個未卜部同仁的用心我還是要給予肯定因為在第一線其實看得很清楚那但是回到國內你的挑戰其實蠻多的第一個我要先問大家最關注的現在疫情的問題事實上我在瑞士去訪問這個老人養護機構的時候他們其實也有表達瑞士的衛生部門已經提醒他們就是疫情即將在起\n所以也提醒大家做好各項的準備那回到台灣其實昨天疾管署剛發布的數據我想讓國人其實也開始擔心起來因為這樣的一個數據的攀升我覺得有點超乎疾管署原來的預期因為過去你們的預期可能預計到6月底可能是6到7萬但現在已經瞬間調高那個數字可能會高達20萬\n所以代表現在的疫情其實是來得又急又猛那在這樣的情況底下我要就教部長的是我們過去在防疫的措施我們會有很多不同的措施那第一個是大家關心的是我們相關的防疫的物資可不可以到位然後足不足夠的問題那現在是快篩大家其實都買不到\n那你什麼時候這個量能可以跟得上這個部分部長是不是可以回應一下首先我還是謝謝委員對我們世衛行動團的努力給個肯定我特別感謝我們這次世衛行動團的確各個都是一個當好幾個用也很努力都是各部門的所長\n那最重要就是我們立委四島團的三位委員,包括王一鳴委員、王正旭委員、劉淑敏委員真的非常用心,不但陪著我們四位團打仗,還做國會外交,也跑到瑞士博恩去做很好的國會外交,也去參觀相關的機構,真的是充分發揮我們立法委員到\n國外的一個國際的外交這個我們也非常感動特別王委員的努力王委員的努力非常敬佩至於在防疫方面我想\n在藥物跟疫苗方面 這個絕對十分充分 沒有問題那在快篩 家用快篩的部分其實是這樣子 因為在還沒有疫情的時候 它當然產線就不產 鋪路也會沒有那麼快但是一旦我們現在已經會發現這個疫情的時候 我們馬上啟動而且都必須要 譬如說\n機關署說的估計的一個量,我們一定要廠商做超過這個量而且現在已經不但是量而已,而且鋪路也要鋪下去所以各位也許在前面一個禮拜,在個別的社區藥局會比較難買得到但是因為他們沒有,因為他們本來就沒在賣了嘛所以你們要鋪到個別的社區藥局比較困難所以重點我們先鋪兩個,一個是連鎖藥局\n另外就是有個超商,三大超商現在已經都鋪路了,比如說萊爾富、全家還有康世美都已經有貨了,現在嗎?像今天就會出了4萬,4萬出來那也許莊署長一直想要報告,我就想要做相關的,沒有沒有,姜署長\n我這邊跟委員說明一下因為民眾都很關心所以你清楚告訴大家哪一些通路現在買得到一定要先做一下謝謝委員的指導也讓我們這邊可以宣傳一下所以機關署跟我們食藥署通例其實5月9號的時候就接到相關訊息也跟廠商直接就面對面去談過那我覺得他們過去最近有廠商也銷毀了800萬劑是因為國企\n所以他們面對這一次的反應我們強力的希望之下呢動起來了那動起來的時間時效性上我們承認在可能這一個禮拜內大概到這個禮拜結束之前應該就進入趕上因為我們評過盤過有機關署這邊給我們資訊所以我們先建立了在我們的網路的第一頁裡面就有家用快摔點進去\n哪邊買得到現在地圖上面都有點進去之後呢我們其實會有我們現在的連鎖藥局以及我們的超商的部分點進去現在有通路那現在不見得每一間都鋪進去的因為鋪貨的部分是在通路的部分那我們也尊重他們鋪路的一個方式我們盡量希望能夠揭露他們所有民眾可以用這樣的途徑可以就近的先確定到底這一家有還是沒有第一件事情\n你上面也沒有顯示亮沒有 你的冰土灶有沒有顯示亮因為之前那個口罩冰土它是會告訴大家有沒有亮因為民眾會有撲空的問題啊我們現在也請這個通路的不管是超商還是藥局的民俗藥局能夠把亮的部分也能夠列進去所以在這個階段裡面它還沒有完全建置到那麼完整就可能要請各位民眾的時候要辛苦一下抱歉 能夠把\n他們能夠在裡面可以自考可以諮詢可以確立我想在這個禮拜內我們的量其實我們就應該可以算這個禮拜有四萬份會上不是今天而已不是這個禮拜今天就四萬那你現在每天量產多少他們報給我的量到六十幾萬份但是實際上我們看到的是還沒有到那麼的量\n一個禮拜一個禮拜有60萬然後一天有4萬份嘛好這個部分我是幫民眾問的因為現在很多人都是一家一個人感染可能是全家都重所以他們很需要先確認自己是不是得到了COVID然後\n他可以尋求更好的治療所以這個部分我要求齁這個快篩的部分就是一定要盡快到位這個是目前我看到民眾的焦慮所以為民請命齁一定要盡快做到好不好這個一定全力以赴請民眾安心好第二個呢\n對第二個就是說在公共衛生的宣導方面過去你們會運用很多電視的跑馬燈啊廣告啊但是現在這波疫情已經在期了看起來是來勢洶洶我現在還沒有看到你們在各大媒體譬如說跑馬燈不斷的提醒大家或者是公眾的這些捷運系統提醒大家\n戴好口罩這件事情現在已經變成是一個很重要的事情我覺得這事情你們還沒有做我希望可以做另外一個就是高風險的像這些長照機構過去我們是最擔心說這個來訪然後大家不戴口罩然後他可能本身已經有感染然後去了之後反而變成是機構的整個的群聚感染\n那這一塊的強化他的管制跟風險我也沒有看到你們有更進一步的強化措施因為昨天看到羅一鈞他只是說鼓勵大家戴口罩他只是鼓勵但是你們現在如果隨著疫情的升溫我覺得這一些高風險弱勢族群的優先保護你們應該要回到你們過去疫情時代有些必要的措施該採取的譬如說如果是長照機構都是老人他是不是一律要戴口罩去探視\n像這樣的一個措施你們什麼時候要啟動有沒有評估要啟動這個部分我們都有在做我想莊署長也利用這個機會跟大家現場好來署長你說那有關長照機構的部分那事實上我們在5月20號就是的時候再有發文就請他們去注重這個感染管制的一個部分那再來就是昨天我們事實上也有請這個衛生局跟長照機構就是說如果其實我們目前長照機構的這個\n接種率已經就第一劑的接種率有四成到七成是不同的這個潮濤機構的管理單位而言那我們有再請他們說針對這個部分再去這個看是不是有可能打第二劑或第一劑還沒打完可以再繼續打這個部分都有在進行以上報告\n所以口罩部分沒有去探視的沒有要求要戴口罩我們剛剛說第一部分就是有關感染管制的部分的確在5月20號的時候有請他們去注意那口罩部分應該也是在這個裡面有在裡面去做提醒我希望這個部分不要鬆懈因為一鬆懈之後看起來這一次的傳染力還是高的所以應該就是要拿出這個比較\n严正一代的这样的一个态度做好这一波的防疫好不好是的好那接下来我要问一下就是今天有关于儿童托育专法你们没有入法的但是我觉得很重要的条文第一个呢就是催少者保护条款应该要入法这个是在我的版本里面我特别去提到的\n那主要就是看到過去在幼兒園特別是之前發生這個毛俊生案他是從111年到112年連續的性侵跟偷拍多位孩童那就是因為他媽媽是園長然後裡面大家礙於壓力也沒有吹哨子也不敢舉報所以呢就是很晚才發現導致多名孩童受害\n那類似這樣的情況也有可能發生在0到2歲的機構當中所以因為在你們的版本我沒有看到任何吹哨者的保護條款但我的版本有我想問一下這個整個衛福部部長你的意見是如何我想會長建配委員提出\n蠻多建議的,大概有幾乎都是在其他的條例或者其他的規定會做到,我們一定都把它落實至於剛剛有人提及的吹哨者,是不是我們請周代理市長回答一下\n跟委員報告,那有關這個吹哨者的部分目前確實在行政院版的條文裡面目前是還沒有訂的那這個後面在個別條文的時候我們可以來做一個討論那當然現在我們也會再去檢索一下目前已經有的那個現行的法律裡面其他通案性的對於吹哨者有一些保護的部分如果已經可以再適用的話也可以一併可以做一個參考\n我想這個部分是對於孩子保護特別0到20歲他完全沒有語言表達能力這個部分更需要我們大人來做第二個部分是監管員的部分我也贊成這個整個監管員其實是可以做到\n但是在做到的過程當中同時我也聽到這個托育相關業者他們是有一些反彈跟聲音那主要就是他們為了這個監管與的借鑑其實他很多的設備要更改第一個就是說他的費用你們有沒有去想到在這個過程當中他們為了\n達成這個監管員的目標這當中政府是不是給予適當的一個補助另外一個就是溝通就是業者會覺得好像政府都把他們當賊看了就是但是他們在第一線他覺得他們也很辛苦啊他們多數其實是不想傷害孩子的但是我們整個保護機制是因為有少數他其實就是傷害了孩子所以我們才必須用這麼強制的手段但是我覺得\n這個整個中央政府、地方政府跟業者其實是三位一體大家是共同要來推動這個保護孩子、照顧孩子的工作的所以過程當中我也建議不要太讓業者覺得有被汙名化或者是說有這種敵意就是整個社會上好像對他們產生極大不信任感跟敵意而是應該你們跟他可以有一個比較好的溝通\n那到底他的困難在哪裡我們理解他的困難我們提供資源然後往這個目標邁進我覺得這個才是合作夥伴因為其實第一線坦白講那個經營也沒有那麼的容易其實也是很辛苦的照顧工作那這個部分我希望這個要提醒部長你們在實施一個好的政策的時候溝通也是很重要資源到位也是很重要\n我比較贊成是從一個輔導的角度去共同達到這個目標而不是從可能有發生這樣的一個案例然後就對這個低限的這一些照顧的業者就是產生標籤化或者是有產生敵意我覺得這樣子好像也不是一個好的對於整體照顧環境未來更好的方向\n好 謝謝委員這樣的指教 這個就好像醫病關係啦醫病關係不是對你的啦 是大家共同為了病人的健康在努力一樣我們都是為了小孩子 為了讓家長安心我們自己都養過小孩 這疼命命對不對一個小孩子鬆弛器那種 怎麼樣讓他\n安心我想照顧的人也很希望給家長安心所以不要自己或者是不要彼此任何汙名化而是大家共同來創造一個更文明更保護小孩的一個國家一個環境用這樣的理念來講\n任何對這方面有幫助的都是光榮的事情但是有困難的話那我希望你們資源要到位好不好我們只有要求就是說業者當中需要的一些資訊協助設備協助你們應該要提供資源我們會了解困難來幫忙我們就是攜手合作然後把孩子照顧好我想這個才是我們這次修法的一個目的跟目標好不好好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.219 --> 00:04.303\n接下來請王育民委員謝謝主席我們是不是有請邱部長\n\n00:17.918 --> 00:38.954\n委員好部長好部長你辛苦了這個世衛行動團我也跟著到前線去我可以看到其實包括部長次長還有出席的同仁大家都非常辛苦了在第一線為了台灣的醫療如何可以進到重返WHA大家其實是做了很多的努力\n\n00:39.901 --> 00:50.284\n雖然今年還是沒有辦法敲開這個大門不過這個未卜部同仁的用心我還是要給予肯定因為在第一線其實看得很清楚那但是回到國內你的挑戰其實蠻多的第一個我要先問大家最關注的現在疫情的問題事實上我在瑞士去訪問這個老人養護機構的時候他們其實也有表達瑞士的衛生部門已經提醒他們就是疫情即將在起\n\n01:09.370 --> 01:19.178\n所以也提醒大家做好各項的準備那回到台灣其實昨天疾管署剛發布的數據我想讓國人其實也開始擔心起來因為這樣的一個數據的攀升我覺得有點超乎疾管署原來的預期因為過去你們的預期可能預計到6月底可能是6到7萬但現在已經瞬間調高那個數字可能會高達20萬\n\n01:34.190 --> 01:56.939\n所以代表現在的疫情其實是來得又急又猛那在這樣的情況底下我要就教部長的是我們過去在防疫的措施我們會有很多不同的措施那第一個是大家關心的是我們相關的防疫的物資可不可以到位然後足不足夠的問題那現在是快篩大家其實都買不到\n\n01:58.086 --> 02:25.695\n那你什麼時候這個量能可以跟得上這個部分部長是不是可以回應一下首先我還是謝謝委員對我們世衛行動團的努力給個肯定我特別感謝我們這次世衛行動團的確各個都是一個當好幾個用也很努力都是各部門的所長\n\n02:26.815 --> 02:47.956\n那最重要就是我們立委四島團的三位委員,包括王一鳴委員、王正旭委員、劉淑敏委員真的非常用心,不但陪著我們四位團打仗,還做國會外交,也跑到瑞士博恩去做很好的國會外交,也去參觀相關的機構,真的是充分發揮我們立法委員到\n\n02:48.757 --> 02:59.535\n國外的一個國際的外交這個我們也非常感動特別王委員的努力王委員的努力非常敬佩至於在防疫方面我想\n\n03:01.584 --> 03:24.460\n在藥物跟疫苗方面這個絕對十分充分沒有問題那在快篩家用快篩的部分其實是這樣子因為在還沒有疫情的時候它當然產線就不產鋪路也會沒有那麼快但是一旦我們現在已經會發現這個疫情的時候我們馬上啟動而且都必須要譬如說\n\n03:26.122 --> 03:49.680\n機關署說的估計的一個量,我們一定要廠商做超過這個量而且現在已經不但是量而已,而且鋪路也要鋪下去所以各位也許在前面一個禮拜,在個別的社區藥局會比較難買得到但是因為他們沒有,因為他們本來就沒在賣了嘛所以你們要鋪到個別的社區藥局比較困難所以重點我們先鋪兩個,一個是連鎖藥局\n\n03:56.045 --> 04:19.083\n另外就是有個超商,三大超商現在已經都鋪路了,比如說萊爾富、全家還有康世美都已經有貨了,現在嗎?像今天就會出了4萬,4萬出來那也許莊署長一直想要報告,我就想要做相關的,沒有沒有,姜署長\n\n04:20.031 --> 04:42.349\n我這邊跟委員說明一下因為民眾都很關心所以你清楚告訴大家哪一些通路現在買得到一定要先做一下謝謝委員的指導也讓我們這邊可以宣傳一下所以機關署跟我們食藥署通例其實5月9號的時候就接到相關訊息也跟廠商直接就面對面去談過那我覺得他們過去最近有廠商也銷毀了800萬劑是因為國企\n\n04:45.231 --> 05:08.834\n所以他們面對這一次的反應我們強力的希望之下呢動起來了那動起來的時間時效性上我們承認在可能這一個禮拜內大概到這個禮拜結束之前應該就進入趕上因為我們評過盤過有機關署這邊給我們資訊所以我們先建立了在我們的網路的第一頁裡面就有家用快摔點進去\n\n05:10.387 --> 05:35.864\n哪邊買得到現在地圖上面都有點進去之後呢我們其實會有我們現在的連鎖藥局以及我們的超商的部分點進去現在有通路那現在不見得每一間都鋪進去的因為鋪貨的部分是在通路的部分那我們也尊重他們鋪路的一個方式我們盡量希望能夠揭露他們所有民眾可以用這樣的途徑可以就近的先確定到底這一家有還是沒有第一件事情\n\n05:36.124 --> 06:02.963\n你上面也沒有顯示亮沒有你的冰土灶有沒有顯示亮因為之前那個口罩冰土它是會告訴大家有沒有亮因為民眾會有撲空的問題啊我們現在也請這個通路的不管是超商還是藥局的民俗藥局能夠把亮的部分也能夠列進去所以在這個階段裡面它還沒有完全建置到那麼完整就可能要請各位民眾的時候要辛苦一下抱歉能夠把\n\n06:03.743 --> 06:17.539\n他們能夠在裡面可以自考可以諮詢可以確立我想在這個禮拜內我們的量其實我們就應該可以算這個禮拜有四萬份會上不是今天而已不是這個禮拜今天就四萬那你現在每天量產多少他們報給我的量到六十幾萬份但是實際上我們看到的是還沒有到那麼的量\n\n06:22.665 --> 06:37.751\n一個禮拜一個禮拜有60萬然後一天有4萬份嘛好這個部分我是幫民眾問的因為現在很多人都是一家一個人感染可能是全家都重所以他們很需要先確認自己是不是得到了COVID然後\n\n06:38.302 --> 06:52.659\n他可以尋求更好的治療所以這個部分我要求齁這個快篩的部分就是一定要盡快到位這個是目前我看到民眾的焦慮所以為民請命齁一定要盡快做到好不好這個一定全力以赴請民眾安心好第二個呢\n\n06:53.960 --> 06:56.924\n對第二個就是說在公共衛生的宣導方面過去你們會運用很多電視的跑馬燈啊廣告啊但是現在這波疫情已經在期了看起來是來勢洶洶我現在還沒有看到你們在各大媒體譬如說跑馬燈不斷的提醒大家或者是公眾的這些捷運系統提醒大家\n\n07:14.082 --> 07:24.367\n戴好口罩這件事情現在已經變成是一個很重要的事情我覺得這事情你們還沒有做我希望可以做另外一個就是高風險的像這些長照機構過去我們是最擔心說這個來訪然後大家不戴口罩然後他可能本身已經有感染然後去了之後反而變成是機構的整個的群聚感染\n\n07:35.772 --> 08:02.717\n那這一塊的強化他的管制跟風險我也沒有看到你們有更進一步的強化措施因為昨天看到羅一鈞他只是說鼓勵大家戴口罩他只是鼓勵但是你們現在如果隨著疫情的升溫我覺得這一些高風險弱勢族群的優先保護你們應該要回到你們過去疫情時代有些必要的措施該採取的譬如說如果是長照機構都是老人他是不是一律要戴口罩去探視\n\n08:03.457 --> 08:31.347\n像這樣的一個措施你們什麼時候要啟動有沒有評估要啟動這個部分我們都有在做我想莊署長也利用這個機會跟大家現場好來署長你說那有關長照機構的部分那事實上我們在5月20號就是的時候再有發文就請他們去注重這個感染管制的一個部分那再來就是昨天我們事實上也有請這個衛生局跟長照機構就是說如果其實我們目前長照機構的這個\n\n08:32.788 --> 08:50.090\n接種率已經就第一劑的接種率有四成到七成是不同的這個潮濤機構的管理單位而言那我們有再請他們說針對這個部分再去這個看是不是有可能打第二劑或第一劑還沒打完可以再繼續打這個部分都有在進行以上報告\n\n08:50.731 --> 09:17.022\n所以口罩部分沒有去探視的沒有要求要戴口罩我們剛剛說第一部分就是有關感染管制的部分的確在5月20號的時候有請他們去注意那口罩部分應該也是在這個裡面有在裡面去做提醒我希望這個部分不要鬆懈因為一鬆懈之後看起來這一次的傳染力還是高的所以應該就是要拿出這個比較\n\n09:18.354 --> 09:35.752\n严正一代的这样的一个态度做好这一波的防疫好不好是的好那接下来我要问一下就是今天有关于儿童托育专法你们没有入法的但是我觉得很重要的条文第一个呢就是催少者保护条款应该要入法这个是在我的版本里面我特别去提到的\n\n09:37.594 --> 09:47.076\n那主要就是看到過去在幼兒園特別是之前發生這個毛俊生案他是從111年到112年連續的性侵跟偷拍多位孩童那就是因為他媽媽是園長然後裡面大家礙於壓力也沒有吹哨子也不敢舉報所以呢就是很晚才發現導致多名孩童受害\n\n10:00.760 --> 10:18.208\n那類似這樣的情況也有可能發生在0到2歲的機構當中所以因為在你們的版本我沒有看到任何吹哨者的保護條款但我的版本有我想問一下這個整個衛福部部長你的意見是如何我想會長建配委員提出\n\n10:19.709 --> 10:38.102\n蠻多建議的,大概有幾乎都是在其他的條例或者其他的規定會做到,我們一定都把它落實至於剛剛有人提及的吹哨者,是不是我們請周代理市長回答一下\n\n10:39.367 --> 11:01.601\n跟委員報告,那有關這個吹哨者的部分目前確實在行政院版的條文裡面目前是還沒有訂的那這個後面在個別條文的時候我們可以來做一個討論那當然現在我們也會再去檢索一下目前已經有的那個現行的法律裡面其他通案性的對於吹哨者有一些保護的部分如果已經可以再適用的話也可以一併可以做一個參考\n\n11:02.901 --> 11:11.888\n我想這個部分是對於孩子保護特別0到20歲他完全沒有語言表達能力這個部分更需要我們大人來做第二個部分是監管員的部分我也贊成這個整個監管員其實是可以做到\n\n11:17.893 --> 11:21.016\n但是在做到的過程當中同時我也聽到這個托育相關業者他們是有一些反彈跟聲音那主要就是他們為了這個監管與的借鑑其實他很多的設備要更改第一個就是說他的費用你們有沒有去想到在這個過程當中他們為了\n\n11:37.050 --> 12:01.012\n達成這個監管員的目標這當中政府是不是給予適當的一個補助另外一個就是溝通就是業者會覺得好像政府都把他們當賊看了就是但是他們在第一線他覺得他們也很辛苦啊他們多數其實是不想傷害孩子的但是我們整個保護機制是因為有少數他其實就是傷害了孩子所以我們才必須用這麼強制的手段但是我覺得\n\n12:01.953 --> 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