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00:02:18,210\n這樣子的一個學生他就已經在做這個網拍網路的一個拍賣所以我覺得說這樣子讓我們就是發覺到這也真的是讓人家非常的震驚就是說現在小孩子使用網路在年齡層真的透露出他們真的很早熟\n\n7\n00:02:20,031 --> 00:02:38,978\n那這個個案因為我受理的這個陳情它是類似疑似被設局詐騙所以我覺得就是說對這樣子的一個狀況真的是對整個兒少的一個身心成長真的有很大的影響那我想請教一下就是說我們NCC如何處理網路上有害兒少身心的內容\n\n8\n00:02:39,684 --> 00:03:03,305\n好那幾點跟委員回報第一個就是我們ECG兒少法是六條的召集相關機關設立成立一個iWIN這個組織機構來處理這個保護兒少的身心健康那另外在剛剛委員提到這個使用過早使用部分我們也依據衛福部相關的一些法令來在我們的攝影器材3C產品裡頭會貼一些標示\n\n9\n00:03:05,386 --> 00:03:31,591\n提醒他們一天使用上網的時間這邊要有一個提醒跟注意不要過多暴露在這個上網時間避免網路成癮那第三個網路上的一些訊息很多種如果是有害的部分對應這個會有私底世界會有相關主管機關來做一些法律上的處理在還沒有構成違法之前的那會有一些相關\n\n10\n00:03:32,671 --> 00:03:58,345\n平台上的也好會有一些自律社群守則跟使用規範我們這邊會要求平台業者來做持續的一些自律那當然在民眾端兒少端家長端親師端我們都會有做一些素養培力方面每年都會進行一些宣導像我們最近今年也會在某一縣市的國眾的聯絡部裡頭會有放一些宣導\n\n11\n00:03:59,145 --> 00:04:06,928\n宣導一些做一些使用上網安全的一些相關宣導剛剛主委有提到IWIN這個民間團體我們也看到就是說這個是我查到了這112年跟113年的統計數字\n\n12\n00:04:18,172 --> 00:04:35,411\n那就是說在網路上而上會接觸到的類型大概有色情、暴力、血腥、恐怖或者是網路霸凌等等這些類型的一個申訴案那我們有發覺到就是112年跟113年那個受理的案件數真的是\n\n13\n00:04:36,492 --> 00:04:54,227\n非常大幅度的一個成長那其中又以涉情的這個申訴案件是最多的那當然我們受理之後我們看到就是說有分成說有違反法令跟有涉及兒少的那我們單看這個涉及兒少的這個涉情的部分\n\n14\n00:04:55,368 --> 00:05:16,807\n件數就成長了兩將近快三倍兩倍多所以這個數字是蠻驚人的所以在這個部分因為我不曉得說我們目前這樣子的一個民間我們委外來處理這些案件那我不曉得說對於要去處理這麼多的一個案件在人力上足夠嗎在專業度上足夠嗎\n\n15\n00:05:19,349 --> 00:05:36,877\n好跟先回答委員最後的提問所以我們NCC有規劃說要把安慰法治化變成一個法人這是我們會繼續努力那剛剛委員提到為什麼1213這個申訴案落差那麼大主要原因是因為113年有幾個重大個案特別是日本的\n\n16\n00:05:38,158 --> 00:05:54,854\n動畫一些被檢舉,那是海量檢舉到愛河那邊另外一個是有個幼稚園濫屍的案件,那個是檢舉很多所以在2013年的檢舉量是遠遠高於年平均照過往一年大概3000多件,去年大概6000多件\n\n17\n00:05:57,276 --> 00:06:18,064\n那我們也看到就是說我們IOWIN在受理這些申訴案之後的一個處理狀況我們有分成就是處理跟不受理的這樣子兩個類別那有處理的話就是通知有我們可能就是ACC通知業者改善那或者是轉選擇機關或者是轉黑名單\n\n18\n00:06:21,465 --> 00:06:47,838\n那在不受理的部分可能就是有一些理由來不受理可是我們也發現就是說這個不受理的一個比例也是非常的高所以我們也是希望了解說在判定不受理的這個件數上是不是會有漏網之魚這就是牽涉到專業度的一個部分那我們要怎樣讓這個部分能夠做到更完善當然剛剛主友提到說要法治化嘛\n\n19\n00:06:49,098 --> 00:07:12,583\n這個法治化有沒有一個期程大概什麼時候會來法治化我們大概去年就有提到院裡頭院裡頭現在有些意見我們還持續要跟相關部會溝通這第一點回報那第二點回報這個關於說的案件類型很多在處理上的量能除了法治化之外我們在先前也依據一個俄薩法四六條\n\n20\n00:07:14,223 --> 00:07:35,914\n這個處理機構IOM的權責部分有些涉及不確定法律概念部分我們會有我們已經弄一個歷史框架在判定上在處理上會有一個準則所以有歷史框架出來之後那目前處理速度大概都還可以在預期的期間來處理那重大案件的話大概都會當天是一天兩天都可以處理掉\n\n21\n00:07:36,654 --> 00:07:49,418\n當然現在網路越來越發達食用人口一直往下降這方面的量勢必是會往上成長所以我們也期待愛運法人化部分能夠盡快未來能夠圓滿能夠達到\n\n22\n00:07:52,159 --> 00:07:57,805\n是我再最後一個問題就是說同樣的就是因為這個兒少上網使用這個網路那當然就是說會留下這個數位的足跡因為或許他是不經意的去分享或按讚或者是打卡等這個行為\n\n23\n00:08:10,037 --> 00:08:29,630\n那這個可能就是會涉及到他的個資的一個外洩包括他的年齡或者是相關的一些個資居住地也好或者是他的生日等等那在這部分我們有沒有去關注到因為我們看到就是說以這個網路受害的這個年齡\n\n24\n00:08:30,891 --> 00:08:47,566\n以0到17歲這個就是屬於兒少的這個年齡層他的這個受害的比例也是增加了33.2%所以這個狀況真的也是值得我們要去關注跟去思考要怎麼去解決這樣子一個問題那這部分我們NCC有沒有什麼想法\n\n25\n00:08:48,858 --> 00:09:11,187\n這塊我們的提問都是像幾個國際BITTECH他們的平台其實各國先進國家歐盟也都有嚴重關注他們各自保護必須要做到他會有一些相關的法則那如果他們處理得不當的話會有一些團送那賠償都非常的巨量\n\n26\n00:09:11,687 --> 00:09:33,534\n那國內的這部分我們也會持續跟平台業者相關的業者我們會有定期會有不定期的一些溝通告訴他們法尊事項兒少個資保護等等那民眾端我們也在做宣導希望使用者不管是家長也好要注意到說個資風險的一些處理要提醒注意\n\n27\n00:09:34,212 --> 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那幾點跟委員回報第一個就是我們ECG兒少法是六條的召集相關機關設立成立一個iWIN這個組織機構來處理這個保護兒少的身心健康那另外在剛剛委員提到這個使用過早使用部分我們也依據衛福部相關的一些法令來在我們的攝影器材3C產品裡頭會貼一些標示\n185386\t211591\t提醒他們一天使用上網的時間這邊要有一個提醒跟注意不要過多暴露在這個上網時間避免網路成癮那第三個網路上的一些訊息很多種如果是有害的部分對應這個會有私底世界會有相關主管機關來做一些法律上的處理在還沒有構成違法之前的那會有一些相關\n212671\t238345\t平台上的也好會有一些自律社群守則跟使用規範我們這邊會要求平台業者來做持續的一些自律那當然在民眾端兒少端家長端親師端我們都會有做一些素養培力方面每年都會進行一些宣導像我們最近今年也會在某一縣市的國眾的聯絡部裡頭會有放一些宣導\n239145\t246928\t宣導一些做一些使用上網安全的一些相關宣導剛剛主委有提到IWIN這個民間團體我們也看到就是說這個是我查到了這112年跟113年的統計數字\n258172\t275411\t那就是說在網路上而上會接觸到的類型大概有色情、暴力、血腥、恐怖或者是網路霸凌等等這些類型的一個申訴案那我們有發覺到就是112年跟113年那個受理的案件數真的是\n276492\t294227\t非常大幅度的一個成長那其中又以涉情的這個申訴案件是最多的那當然我們受理之後我們看到就是說有分成說有違反法令跟有涉及兒少的那我們單看這個涉及兒少的這個涉情的部分\n295368\t316807\t件數就成長了兩 將近快三倍 兩倍多所以這個數字是蠻驚人的所以在這個部分 因為我不曉得說我們目前這樣子的一個民間 我們委外來處理這些案件 那我不曉得說對於要去處理這麼多的一個案件在人力上足夠嗎 在專業度上足夠嗎\n319349\t336877\t好跟先回答委員最後的提問所以我們NCC有規劃說要把安慰法治化變成一個法人這是我們會繼續努力那剛剛委員提到為什麼1213這個申訴案落差那麼大主要原因是因為113年有幾個重大個案特別是日本的\n338158\t354854\t動畫一些被檢舉,那是海量檢舉到愛河那邊另外一個是有個幼稚園濫屍的案件,那個是檢舉很多所以在2013年的檢舉量是遠遠高於年平均照過往一年大概3000多件,去年大概6000多件\n357276\t378064\t那我們也看到就是說我們IOWIN在受理這些申訴案之後的一個處理狀況我們有分成就是處理跟不受理的這樣子兩個類別那有處理的話就是通知有我們可能就是ACC通知業者改善那或者是轉選擇機關或者是轉黑名單\n381465\t407838\t那在不受理的部分可能就是有一些理由來不受理可是我們也發現就是說這個不受理的一個比例也是非常的高所以我們也是希望了解說在判定不受理的這個件數上是不是會有漏網之魚這就是牽涉到專業度的一個部分那我們要怎樣讓這個部分能夠做到更完善當然剛剛主友提到說要法治化嘛\n409098\t432583\t這個法治化有沒有一個期程大概什麼時候會來法治化我們大概去年就有提到院裡頭院裡頭現在有些意見我們還持續要跟相關部會溝通這第一點回報那第二點回報這個關於說的案件類型很多在處理上的量能除了法治化之外我們在先前也依據一個俄薩法四六條\n434223\t455914\t這個處理機構IOM的權責部分有些涉及不確定法律概念部分我們會有我們已經弄一個歷史框架在判定上在處理上會有一個準則所以有歷史框架出來之後那目前處理速度大概都還可以在預期的期間來處理那重大案件的話大概都會當天是一天兩天都可以處理掉\n456654\t469418\t當然現在網路越來越發達食用人口一直往下降這方面的量勢必是會往上成長所以我們也期待愛運法人化部分能夠盡快未來能夠圓滿能夠達到\n472159\t477805\t是 我再最後一個問題就是說同樣的就是因為這個兒少上網使用這個網路那當然就是說會留下這個數位的足跡因為或許他是不經意的去分享或按讚或者是打卡等這個行為\n490037\t509630\t那這個可能就是會涉及到他的個資的一個外洩包括他的年齡或者是相關的一些個資居住地也好或者是他的生日等等那在這部分我們有沒有去關注到因為我們看到就是說以這個網路受害的這個年齡\n510891\t527566\t以0到17歲這個就是屬於兒少的這個年齡層他的這個受害的比例也是增加了33.2%所以這個狀況真的也是值得我們要去關注跟去思考要怎麼去解決這樣子一個問題那這部分我們NCC有沒有什麼想法\n528858\t551187\t這塊我們的提問都是像幾個國際BITTECH他們的平台其實各國先進國家歐盟也都有嚴重關注他們各自保護必須要做到他會有一些相關的法則那如果他們處理得不當的話會有一些團送那賠償都非常的巨量\n551687\t573534\t那國內的這部分我們也會持續跟平台業者相關的業者我們會有定期會有不定期的一些溝通告訴他們法尊事項兒少個資保護等等那民眾端我們也在做宣導希望使用者不管是家長也好要注意到說個資風險的一些處理要提醒注意\n574212\t592697\t是好 因為我們就是說有些人現在使用網路這個寧寧城真的是從很小就開始用這是一個目前我們真的是要去正視的一個問題那我們也希望就是說針對我們目前有顯現出來的問題我們要去好好思考相關的一個對策好 我們會繼續努力謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 請主席邀請陳代理主委好 陳代主委主委早安北溪今天跟主委討論有關這個兒少就是使用網路的一個狀況那我們知道就是因為這個網際網路的一個便利性跟方便性所以現在根據統計我們國人這個\n使用手機的這個年齡真的是就是平均10歲就開始有自己的手機了那當然使用我想有時候可能更小因為我看發現現在很多父母那個可能兩三歲幼稚園開始在\n就是會透過這個平板讓他們看一些節目那根據這個兒福聯盟的一個統計就是台灣兒少社群媒體影響的概況有一個調查報告就是平均10歲就擁有自己的專用手機然後11歲就自己創社群媒體的一個帳號那高達9成5的兒少有在使用社群媒體\n所以這樣子的一個狀況事實上因為我們也知道這個網路上的一個訊息非常的複雜那也有很多負面的這個訊息所以這樣子對整個兒童的一個成長事實上身心的成長都有很大的影響那我們也看到就是說根據統計有過半數的兒少大概有56.6%在網路上有過負面的經驗那超過兩成的兒少曾經\n就是收到這個假訊息那也有超過兩成的兒少曾經看到不符合聯名的廣告那也有超過兩成的兒少收到這個色情的影音或訊息所以這樣的比例是蠻高的那本席也曾經有受理過一個陳情就是他才國一而已 他國一或國二\n這樣子的一個學生他就已經在做這個網拍網路的一個拍賣所以我覺得說這樣子讓我們就是發覺到這也真的是讓人家非常的震驚就是說現在小孩子使用網路在年齡層真的透露出他們真的很早熟\n那這個個案因為我受理的這個陳情它是類似疑似被設局詐騙所以我覺得就是說對這樣子的一個狀況真的是對整個兒少的一個身心成長真的有很大的影響那我想請教一下就是說我們NCC如何處理網路上有害兒少身心的內容\n好 那幾點跟委員回報第一個就是我們ECG兒少法是六條的召集相關機關設立成立一個iWIN這個組織機構來處理這個保護兒少的身心健康那另外在剛剛委員提到這個使用過早使用部分我們也依據衛福部相關的一些法令來在我們的攝影器材3C產品裡頭會貼一些標示\n提醒他們一天使用上網的時間這邊要有一個提醒跟注意不要過多暴露在這個上網時間避免網路成癮那第三個網路上的一些訊息很多種如果是有害的部分對應這個會有私底世界會有相關主管機關來做一些法律上的處理在還沒有構成違法之前的那會有一些相關\n平台上的也好會有一些自律社群守則跟使用規範我們這邊會要求平台業者來做持續的一些自律那當然在民眾端兒少端家長端親師端我們都會有做一些素養培力方面每年都會進行一些宣導像我們最近今年也會在某一縣市的國眾的聯絡部裡頭會有放一些宣導\n宣導一些做一些使用上網安全的一些相關宣導剛剛主委有提到IWIN這個民間團體我們也看到就是說這個是我查到了這112年跟113年的統計數字\n那就是說在網路上而上會接觸到的類型大概有色情、暴力、血腥、恐怖或者是網路霸凌等等這些類型的一個申訴案那我們有發覺到就是112年跟113年那個受理的案件數真的是\n非常大幅度的一個成長那其中又以涉情的這個申訴案件是最多的那當然我們受理之後我們看到就是說有分成說有違反法令跟有涉及兒少的那我們單看這個涉及兒少的這個涉情的部分\n件數就成長了兩 將近快三倍 兩倍多所以這個數字是蠻驚人的所以在這個部分 因為我不曉得說我們目前這樣子的一個民間 我們委外來處理這些案件 那我不曉得說對於要去處理這麼多的一個案件在人力上足夠嗎 在專業度上足夠嗎\n好跟先回答委員最後的提問所以我們NCC有規劃說要把安慰法治化變成一個法人這是我們會繼續努力那剛剛委員提到為什麼1213這個申訴案落差那麼大主要原因是因為113年有幾個重大個案特別是日本的\n動畫一些被檢舉,那是海量檢舉到愛河那邊另外一個是有個幼稚園濫屍的案件,那個是檢舉很多所以在2013年的檢舉量是遠遠高於年平均照過往一年大概3000多件,去年大概6000多件\n那我們也看到就是說我們IOWIN在受理這些申訴案之後的一個處理狀況我們有分成就是處理跟不受理的這樣子兩個類別那有處理的話就是通知有我們可能就是ACC通知業者改善那或者是轉選擇機關或者是轉黑名單\n那在不受理的部分可能就是有一些理由來不受理可是我們也發現就是說這個不受理的一個比例也是非常的高所以我們也是希望了解說在判定不受理的這個件數上是不是會有漏網之魚這就是牽涉到專業度的一個部分那我們要怎樣讓這個部分能夠做到更完善當然剛剛主友提到說要法治化嘛\n這個法治化有沒有一個期程大概什麼時候會來法治化我們大概去年就有提到院裡頭院裡頭現在有些意見我們還持續要跟相關部會溝通這第一點回報那第二點回報這個關於說的案件類型很多在處理上的量能除了法治化之外我們在先前也依據一個俄薩法四六條\n這個處理機構IOM的權責部分有些涉及不確定法律概念部分我們會有我們已經弄一個歷史框架在判定上在處理上會有一個準則所以有歷史框架出來之後那目前處理速度大概都還可以在預期的期間來處理那重大案件的話大概都會當天是一天兩天都可以處理掉\n當然現在網路越來越發達食用人口一直往下降這方面的量勢必是會往上成長所以我們也期待愛運法人化部分能夠盡快未來能夠圓滿能夠達到\n是 我再最後一個問題就是說同樣的就是因為這個兒少上網使用這個網路那當然就是說會留下這個數位的足跡因為或許他是不經意的去分享或按讚或者是打卡等這個行為\n那這個可能就是會涉及到他的個資的一個外洩包括他的年齡或者是相關的一些個資居住地也好或者是他的生日等等那在這部分我們有沒有去關注到因為我們看到就是說以這個網路受害的這個年齡\n以0到17歲這個就是屬於兒少的這個年齡層他的這個受害的比例也是增加了33.2%所以這個狀況真的也是值得我們要去關注跟去思考要怎麼去解決這樣子一個問題那這部分我們NCC有沒有什麼想法\n這塊我們的提問都是像幾個國際BITTECH他們的平台其實各國先進國家歐盟也都有嚴重關注他們各自保護必須要做到他會有一些相關的法則那如果他們處理得不當的話會有一些團送那賠償都非常的巨量\n那國內的這部分我們也會持續跟平台業者相關的業者我們會有定期會有不定期的一些溝通告訴他們法尊事項兒少個資保護等等那民眾端我們也在做宣導希望使用者不管是家長也好要注意到說個資風險的一些處理要提醒注意\n是好 因為我們就是說有些人現在使用網路這個寧寧城真的是從很小就開始用這是一個目前我們真的是要去正視的一個問題那我們也希望就是說針對我們目前有顯現出來的問題我們要去好好思考相關的一個對策好 我們會繼續努力謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.155 --> 00:06.317\n謝謝主席請主席邀請陳代理主委好陳代主委主委早安北溪今天跟主委討論有關這個兒少就是使用網路的一個狀況那我們知道就是因為這個網際網路的一個便利性跟方便性所以現在根據統計我們國人這個\n\n00:28.744 --> 00:39.356\n使用手機的這個年齡真的是就是平均10歲就開始有自己的手機了那當然使用我想有時候可能更小因為我看發現現在很多父母那個可能兩三歲幼稚園開始在\n\n00:44.801 --> 00:54.404\n就是會透過這個平板讓他們看一些節目那根據這個兒福聯盟的一個統計就是台灣兒少社群媒體影響的概況有一個調查報告就是平均10歲就擁有自己的專用手機然後11歲就自己創社群媒體的一個帳號那高達9成5的兒少有在使用社群媒體\n\n01:09.509 --> 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