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00:02:31,312\n主委您知道這個片段嗎這是大概在前一兩天的一個政論節目知道因為王委員昨天有來函NCC是那主委先不論你是不是NCC的主委啦或者是說可能你對於你在NCC待這麼久啦你對一些新聞節目或者是政論節目你可能都會自己有一些期待那你看到這一個節目的內容主持人有這樣子的發言你自己有怎樣的一個感想\n\n7\n00:02:32,877 --> 00:02:53,716\n先不用扯到法令啦你自己的感想我的感想是政令節目本身它就是它的自由度空間比較大但是只要在不虛格只要在沒有違反法令的前提之下其實主管機關我相信全世界都一樣都會尊重媒體的編輯自主跟言論自由\n\n8\n00:02:54,264 --> 00:03:11,569\n那你會樂見我們的台灣的新聞節目政論節目可能就針對特定的個案就預設立場性的未來要報導什麼然後來提出什麼批評我們對新聞的期待應該是說我們的時事有什麼事情那我們的新聞媒體當然有它的權責它有它的\n\n9\n00:03:12,882 --> 00:03:18,410\n權力在就是說他想要抱著哪一則新聞他要做怎樣的一個評論這是新聞媒體的自由但是在還沒有任何的事情發生的時候我的新聞就已經先告訴你我未來要針對某一個人去\n\n10\n00:03:28,325 --> 00:03:49,138\n多加的關注那關注完之後我不只是關注我要評論嘛那我也不是客觀的評論我是要批評我要修理修理的意思應該是負面了吧我已經先預設立場了未來在針對這個人的新聞的時候出現我就是會報導我就是會批評不管他出現什麼樣的內容主委您期待我們台灣的媒體生態是這樣子嗎\n\n11\n00:03:50,934 --> 00:03:57,240\n我相信大家的共識都行之在法令裡頭吳廣法的施行細則13條說新聞報導或評論要注重客觀公正確實然後衛廣法22條說新聞跟新聞評論要注重這個正確平衡品味\n\n12\n00:04:09,771 --> 00:04:39,391\n那如果他這邊有業者這邊做到有違反的話會經過民眾檢舉的話我們就會受理就會有一定的SOP來處理就比方說跟這個塊的話我們會促請他會提醒他違反事實查證會請他們業者的輪委會來先來來表達意見然後來檢討我們再提供給我們我們內部受理完之後有進一步要往下走的話會到所以你就是對於修理這兩個字主委聽起來您認同還是不認同\n\n13\n00:04:41,452 --> 00:04:56,177\n在這個新聞評論的節目裡頭我個人覺得常常聽到我覺得這應該在事情還沒發生喔還沒有說要報導什麼我就決定來修理你這樣子是一個健康的媒體生態嗎\n\n14\n00:04:58,035 --> 00:05:12,420\n如果是純粹新聞報導我相信一般是不會出現但是這是新聞評論節目他的自由度會比新聞報導要稍微大一點所以那這樣子主委您是贊同所有的政論節目都可以有預設立場來評論社會的事件\n\n15\n00:05:14,355 --> 00:05:40,657\n我們希望說他不要違法不要違法如果違法會有民眾檢舉我們就會來處理這個主委好不好拿出你的風骨啦拿出我們公務人員拿出一個這個新聞媒體監督監理機關的一個主管機關的一個風骨啦那下一頁其實類似的事情也不是沒出現過啦在108年的時候我們NC就針對中天新聞嘛那時候我們就是對NC就是對中天新聞\n\n16\n00:05:41,958 --> 00:06:08,648\n對於某特地人物有違反公平的原則可能就是過度集中報導然後相關的報導都是你們認為評判沒有做好可能都是負面的一個批評所以你們發函給該家電視台那希望他們維護觀眾視聽的權益那也對電視台祭出多項的一個裁罰這件事情那時候您在NCC嗎是那如果說未來有相關的類似的情形\n\n17\n00:06:09,668 --> 00:06:24,206\n不只是他現在只是宣示啦他會不會做我不知道如果他真的做了那節目那過度的集中報導那在報導之前已經先跟你講我都已經是預設立場了那你認為有沒有違反這第43條第二項類似的一個情況\n\n18\n00:06:27,745 --> 00:06:41,725\n幾點意見跟我們報告第一點這個剛剛講的關鍵字是他宣示的宣示跟後來會不會做跟當年的個案其實還是有落差的當年個案是在宣示不違法啦假設真的做的情況下\n\n19\n00:06:43,168 --> 00:07:01,351\n假設是作為情況之下我們當然我們MCC自我拘束的錢一定會根據過往的慣例來處理那另外跟委員特別報告這個108年這個個案他還有個特別之處是他當年在103年換照案的時候有個付款付款裡頭是要\n\n20\n00:07:02,312 --> 00:07:29,321\n要請他好好處理他們的新聞內控的部分他要設立一個獨立審查人他們那時候始終都沒有設立然後後來這個某些報導過於偏頗的情況之下那我們認定說你就是內控機制失靈因為我們我認為很多新聞台目前內控都是失靈但是這個機制當年這個案是他連付款的部分都沒有履行\n\n21\n00:07:29,801 --> 00:07:50,840\n好沒關係那就主委好不好就拿出我們主管機關的一個風骨那期待我們有一個公平公正的一個新聞環境我們尊重尊重這個評論的自由報導的自由但是如果是惡意性的一個報復或者是已經預設立場的一些相關評論的話我覺得這不是我們國人所樂見的以上好謝謝委員指導\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2240\t5576\t謝謝主席喔 那麼邀請我們陳代理主委好 陳代理主委\n12884\t36144\t這個請教一下今天還蠻多的委員在關心NCC委員哪時候要提名要補的問題那之前其實在這邊也討論過啦您有說過這相關的權責不在你們身上嘛對不對那請教一下主委就是在我們NCC委員沒有補足的情況下我們NCC或是說您在推動業務的時候那目前有遇到哪一些實質上的困難\n37828\t60797\t就是我們在組織法9條2項6款相關的處分案跟公告案許可案特別是處分案裡頭涉及業者經營權的得上邊跟部分我們沒辦法處理沒辦法處理但是沒辦法處理不代表說我們完全沒有處理我們只是說處理到上委員會以前的幕僚作業階段就是跑100公尺跑到90公尺剩下最後10公尺沒辦法跑大概是這樣子\n61477\t87593\t所以就是會有一些業務確實委員沒有補齊的情況下造成我們NCC的一些業務他沒有辦法完全的去把它執行完那是不是也對主委造成一些困擾我們都是跟同仁大家一起努力盡可能在法律許可範圍內來維護廣大的收視聽眾的權益那主委你會不會期待行政院趕快把NCC的缺額把它補齊\n89137\t105087\t我相信應該 業者跟大眾應該都蠻期待的都蠻期待的 您也很期待所以大家都在等行政院 您也在等行政院我們看法大概都一樣好 謝謝主委 那我就不為難你了那接下來我們看一個影片有沒有聲音而且也有字幕 你再播一次\n122301\t151312\t主委您知道這個片段嗎這是大概在前一兩天的一個政論節目知道因為王委員昨天有來函NCC是 那主委先不論你是不是NCC的主委啦或者是說可能你對於你在NCC待這麼久啦你對一些新聞節目或者是政論節目你可能都會自己有一些期待那你看到這一個節目的內容主持人有這樣子的發言你自己有怎樣的一個感想\n152877\t173716\t先不用扯到法令啦 你自己的感想我的感想是 政令節目本身它就是它的自由度空間比較大但是只要在不虛格 只要在沒有違反法令的前提之下其實主管機關我相信全世界都一樣都會尊重媒體的編輯自主跟言論自由\n174264\t191569\t那你會樂見我們的台灣的新聞節目政論節目可能就針對特定的個案就預設立場性的未來要報導什麼然後來提出什麼批評我們對新聞的期待應該是說我們的時事有什麼事情那我們的新聞媒體當然有它的權責 它有它的\n192882\t198410\t權力在就是說他想要抱著哪一則新聞他要做怎樣的一個評論這是新聞媒體的自由但是在還沒有任何的事情發生的時候我的新聞就已經先告訴你我未來要針對某一個人去\n208325\t229138\t多加的關注那關注完之後 我不只是關注 我要評論嘛那我也不是客觀的評論 我是要批評我要修理 修理的意思應該是負面了吧我已經先預設立場了未來在針對這個人的新聞的時候出現 我就是會報導 我就是會批評不管他出現什麼樣的內容主委您期待我們台灣的媒體生態是這樣子嗎\n230934\t237240\t我相信大家的共識都行之在法令裡頭吳廣法的施行細則13條說新聞報導或評論要注重客觀公正確實然後衛廣法22條說新聞跟新聞評論要注重這個正確平衡品味\n249771\t279391\t那如果他這邊有業者這邊做到有違反的話會經過民眾檢舉的話我們就會受理就會有一定的SOP來處理就比方說跟這個塊的話我們會促請他會提醒他違反事實查證會請他們業者的輪委會來先來來表達意見然後來檢討我們再提供給我們我們內部受理完之後有進一步要往下走的話會到所以你就是對於修理這兩個字主委聽起來您認同還是不認同\n281452\t296177\t在這個新聞評論的節目裡頭我個人覺得常常聽到我覺得這應該在事情還沒發生喔還沒有說要報導什麼我就決定來修理你這樣子是一個健康的媒體生態嗎\n298035\t312420\t如果是純粹新聞報導我相信一般是不會出現但是這是新聞評論節目他的自由度會比新聞報導要稍微大一點所以那這樣子主委您是贊同所有的政論節目都可以有預設立場來評論社會的事件\n314355\t340657\t我們希望說他不要違法不要違法 如果違法會有民眾檢舉我們就會來處理這個主委好不好 拿出你的風骨啦拿出我們公務人員拿出一個這個新聞媒體監督監理機關的一個主管機關的一個風骨啦那下一頁其實類似的事情也不是沒出現過啦在108年的時候我們NC就針對中天新聞嘛那時候我們就是對NC就是對中天新聞\n341958\t368648\t對於某特地人物有違反公平的原則可能就是過度集中報導然後相關的報導都是你們認為評判沒有做好可能都是負面的一個批評所以你們發函給該家電視台那希望他們維護觀眾視聽的權益那也對電視台祭出多項的一個裁罰這件事情那時候您在NCC嗎是那如果說未來有相關的類似的情形\n369668\t384206\t不只是 他現在只是宣示啦他會不會做我不知道如果他真的做了那節目那過度的集中報導那在報導之前已經先跟你講我都已經是預設立場了那你認為有沒有違反這第43條第二項類似的一個情況\n387745\t401725\t幾點意見跟我們報告第一點這個剛剛講的關鍵字是他宣示的宣示跟後來會不會做跟當年的個案其實還是有落差的當年個案是在宣示不違法啦假設真的做的情況下\n403168\t421351\t假設是作為情況之下我們當然我們MCC自我拘束的錢一定會根據過往的慣例來處理那另外跟委員特別報告這個108年這個個案他還有個特別之處是他當年在103年換照案的時候有個付款付款裡頭是要\n422312\t449321\t要請他好好處理他們的新聞內控的部分他要設立一個獨立審查人他們那時候始終都沒有設立然後後來這個某些報導過於偏頗的情況之下那我們認定說你就是內控機制失靈因為我們我認為很多新聞台目前內控都是失靈但是這個機制當年這個案是他連付款的部分都沒有履行\n449801\t470840\t好 沒關係 那就主委好不好就拿出我們主管機關的一個風骨那期待我們有一個公平公正的一個新聞環境我們尊重 尊重這個評論的自由 報導的自由但是如果是惡意性的一個報復或者是已經預設立場的一些相關評論的話我覺得這不是我們國人所樂見的 以上好 謝謝委員 指導\n","txt":"謝謝主席喔 那麼邀請我們陳代理主委好 陳代理主委\n這個請教一下今天還蠻多的委員在關心NCC委員哪時候要提名要補的問題那之前其實在這邊也討論過啦您有說過這相關的權責不在你們身上嘛對不對那請教一下主委就是在我們NCC委員沒有補足的情況下我們NCC或是說您在推動業務的時候那目前有遇到哪一些實質上的困難\n就是我們在組織法9條2項6款相關的處分案跟公告案許可案特別是處分案裡頭涉及業者經營權的得上邊跟部分我們沒辦法處理沒辦法處理但是沒辦法處理不代表說我們完全沒有處理我們只是說處理到上委員會以前的幕僚作業階段就是跑100公尺跑到90公尺剩下最後10公尺沒辦法跑大概是這樣子\n所以就是會有一些業務確實委員沒有補齊的情況下造成我們NCC的一些業務他沒有辦法完全的去把它執行完那是不是也對主委造成一些困擾我們都是跟同仁大家一起努力盡可能在法律許可範圍內來維護廣大的收視聽眾的權益那主委你會不會期待行政院趕快把NCC的缺額把它補齊\n我相信應該 業者跟大眾應該都蠻期待的都蠻期待的 您也很期待所以大家都在等行政院 您也在等行政院我們看法大概都一樣好 謝謝主委 那我就不為難你了那接下來我們看一個影片有沒有聲音而且也有字幕 你再播一次\n主委您知道這個片段嗎這是大概在前一兩天的一個政論節目知道因為王委員昨天有來函NCC是 那主委先不論你是不是NCC的主委啦或者是說可能你對於你在NCC待這麼久啦你對一些新聞節目或者是政論節目你可能都會自己有一些期待那你看到這一個節目的內容主持人有這樣子的發言你自己有怎樣的一個感想\n先不用扯到法令啦 你自己的感想我的感想是 政令節目本身它就是它的自由度空間比較大但是只要在不虛格 只要在沒有違反法令的前提之下其實主管機關我相信全世界都一樣都會尊重媒體的編輯自主跟言論自由\n那你會樂見我們的台灣的新聞節目政論節目可能就針對特定的個案就預設立場性的未來要報導什麼然後來提出什麼批評我們對新聞的期待應該是說我們的時事有什麼事情那我們的新聞媒體當然有它的權責 它有它的\n權力在就是說他想要抱著哪一則新聞他要做怎樣的一個評論這是新聞媒體的自由但是在還沒有任何的事情發生的時候我的新聞就已經先告訴你我未來要針對某一個人去\n多加的關注那關注完之後 我不只是關注 我要評論嘛那我也不是客觀的評論 我是要批評我要修理 修理的意思應該是負面了吧我已經先預設立場了未來在針對這個人的新聞的時候出現 我就是會報導 我就是會批評不管他出現什麼樣的內容主委您期待我們台灣的媒體生態是這樣子嗎\n我相信大家的共識都行之在法令裡頭吳廣法的施行細則13條說新聞報導或評論要注重客觀公正確實然後衛廣法22條說新聞跟新聞評論要注重這個正確平衡品味\n那如果他這邊有業者這邊做到有違反的話會經過民眾檢舉的話我們就會受理就會有一定的SOP來處理就比方說跟這個塊的話我們會促請他會提醒他違反事實查證會請他們業者的輪委會來先來來表達意見然後來檢討我們再提供給我們我們內部受理完之後有進一步要往下走的話會到所以你就是對於修理這兩個字主委聽起來您認同還是不認同\n在這個新聞評論的節目裡頭我個人覺得常常聽到我覺得這應該在事情還沒發生喔還沒有說要報導什麼我就決定來修理你這樣子是一個健康的媒體生態嗎\n如果是純粹新聞報導我相信一般是不會出現但是這是新聞評論節目他的自由度會比新聞報導要稍微大一點所以那這樣子主委您是贊同所有的政論節目都可以有預設立場來評論社會的事件\n我們希望說他不要違法不要違法 如果違法會有民眾檢舉我們就會來處理這個主委好不好 拿出你的風骨啦拿出我們公務人員拿出一個這個新聞媒體監督監理機關的一個主管機關的一個風骨啦那下一頁其實類似的事情也不是沒出現過啦在108年的時候我們NC就針對中天新聞嘛那時候我們就是對NC就是對中天新聞\n對於某特地人物有違反公平的原則可能就是過度集中報導然後相關的報導都是你們認為評判沒有做好可能都是負面的一個批評所以你們發函給該家電視台那希望他們維護觀眾視聽的權益那也對電視台祭出多項的一個裁罰這件事情那時候您在NCC嗎是那如果說未來有相關的類似的情形\n不只是 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