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00:03:06,388\n其中是不是有詐這句話的意思是什麼請問這是我給院長一個機會做解釋這個事情其實我覺得蠻悲哀的因為醫生要信任病人醫病關係要維持良好不過現在詐騙猖獗現在連那個高血壓可能有人工高血壓所以呢是不是有用藥我們醫院的毒物部在台灣非常有名我已經請他們整理有哪些藥物會造成高血壓\n\n9\n00:03:07,907 --> 00:03:27,034\n是不是要驗藥來處理已經把這個資料全部整理完畢所以之前是沒有的對不對就是一驗就是說他有高血壓可能事先他可能有吃藥了所以醫生在診斷的在複診的時候覺得他有高血壓就把診斷書給開出來是這樣子的意思嗎應該是這樣但是一切都是近代檢調的調查所以這兩者都跟高血壓有關係嗎\n\n10\n00:03:29,374 --> 00:03:47,960\n這兩起這兩起就是高血壓但其他的內容就檢調已經在調查就全部提供資料由檢調來處理那九位散兵裡面的確那兩位是2017年2019年在榮總開過公費兵役復檢的診斷所那這個事情我們在調查中但是呢希望司法勿妄勿忠有違法\n\n11\n00:03:50,717 --> 00:04:11,962\n那個藥源辦所以因為很多人都把這個閃冰案都跟這個仲介扯上關係我想對榮總來講的話可能在這個信譽上面會造成一些影響那院長的意思是說其實當初他們來做復檢也知道說這個部分是跟這個要去跟當兵有關係可是當初可能檢驗的時候就發現他有高血壓所以我們就開了診斷書出來\n\n12\n00:04:17,003 --> 00:04:44,510\n那這當中的話我們開診斷書出來的這個醫生有跟仲介這邊有任何的這個牽連嗎這個有調查嗎這個要是我相信司法在調查中這個是調查的其中的一環那我要向委員報告兵役復檢要開高血壓診斷書沒那麼容易兵役復檢要住院24小時因為怕有詐他要一直monitor他的血壓有沒有是奇怪什麼有些正常所以呢\n\n13\n00:04:45,290 --> 00:05:12,308\n要在醫院住院24小時這是規定但住院期間他有沒有用藥不知道住院期間所以我們的軍醫局跟我們的疫症單位應該已經在檢討怎麼樣來防避避免這樣的事情所以之後有關於血壓的部分如果是這個復檢的話以後我們的做法就是說他那24小時其實我們也要做藥物的這個檢測這個建議就是這個由疫症單位來掌握\n\n14\n00:05:12,948 --> 00:05:30,262\n這個部分可能真的就是要來做檢討的這個部分如果有可能是有這種狀況的話因為我有看到院長喊冤所以我想應該要把話說清楚到底是不是跟仲介有勾結還是其實大家真的受到了這個不白之冤這個必須要說清楚\n\n15\n00:05:31,863 --> 00:05:33,706\n好請回請回那再來的話我還是要再來換一個議題啦比較輕鬆一點之前我們去年我們武林農場有到日本去參加了這個\n\n16\n00:05:48,027 --> 00:06:11,186\n我看那是這個大型的旅展叫TourismExpoJapan那當初我們最主要是來推這個慢旅行喔可是很意外的就是說因為我們在推廣這個台灣高山農場深度旅行的時候其實我們有分送那個金宣茶糖給這個日本的這個民眾哪也知道呢就受到非常大的這個歡迎甚至有日本的這個朋友就問說到底要在哪裡來購買喔\n\n17\n00:06:12,347 --> 00:06:40,020\n那所以這個部分的話我在想因為我進到八月或九月的時候今年八月九月我們可能要到新加坡還有馬來西亞也要推展旅展所以除了我們要推行我們的慢旅行之外呢我在想農產品好像很意外的也成了一個受歡迎的一項那當然像這個金萱茶堂其實辦公室也有啦我看到推幅會也有送了一包過來那我現在要提到的就是說其實居然受到國際友人的喜歡\n\n18\n00:06:41,261 --> 00:06:49,867\n包裝方面是不是要來稍微做一個改進因為我有看到這個農會像這個甲仙地區農會它沒有過度的包裝可是你看看從視覺效果來看的話這個甲仙地區農會的這個包裝看起來就是非常的這個輕巧然後也很清新可是我們就是\n\n19\n00:07:03,377 --> 00:07:28,359\n辅导会这边出来的这个包装真的就是比较传统很刻板的一个农产品的包装方式那我在想说再来我们又要到国外去推广那是不是这个部分的话不管是当着是赠送礼品也好或者是推广我们的农产品或者是未来可能会不会让这些优良的产品成为我们国家的这伴手礼在包装方面的话我们是不是有要进一步来做改进\n\n20\n00:07:28,939 --> 00:07:57,084\n謝謝委員的關心跟指導我想這些包裝農產品的一個包裝主要是我們都是委託專業的一些廠商來做設計的那主要第一個就凸顯出它的價值第二個是產品的辨識度當然剛剛委員指導我們怎麼樣去打破傳統怎麼樣能夠創新這都是非常一個很好的一個指導我們將來朝中他們做第二個我們現在也積極拓展所謂的異業合作跨業\n\n21\n00:07:58,204 --> 00:08:14,376\n強化我們現在目前跟故宮還有評科大還有委營戶這些單位來合作然後推出一些聯名的商品來繼續拓展我們這些銷路剛剛講的我們的新加坡以及國外的這些旅展我們都會超出他們的努力我想我們全部事業處處長再跟你補充\n\n22\n00:08:17,412 --> 00:08:32,121\n我們近期針對這個產品現在委員這個關心我們發現我們的包裝是太low一點那我們有需要改進的空間但最主要是我們要表達是我們農場的特色但是可以做更精緻的表達\n\n23\n00:08:32,541 --> 00:08:57,650\n目前為止我們一直在努力近期我們運用了五大農場的特色我們推出了五大農場的共有的聯合的一個產品來聯合銷售那這個剛推出來獲得很大回響也獲得很大的喜歡大家喜歡另外一個跟故宮故宮博物院跟平科大跟偉銀戶等等我們想藉著跟\n\n24\n00:08:58,810 --> 00:09:12,457\n這些有名的商家的合作來推出我們的產品比如說故宮他這個點查歷史文物有文化底蘊我們也跟學術界研究來合作目前在進行當中是不是還沒看到產品已經出來了目前故宮還沒出來\n\n25\n00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:34,518\n像跟平科大合作已經出來了已經慢慢出來而且銷售大概我們榮民醫院都跟我們採購這個比如說益生菌銷量非常非常好像今年度生產好像已經賣完了那我們還會繼續做這方面的努力謝謝委員的指導\n\n26\n00:09:35,038 --> 00:09:52,459\n因為我之前前一兩年像高雄市這個農業局他有一個方案就是設計導入農會他那時候有邀請了在地的高雄的青年來做這個設計所以那時候十幾家的農會其實他都重新全部有來做這個包裝的\n\n27\n00:09:54,461 --> 00:10:05,752\n優化那甚至是全新設計這個logo我覺得那時候非常的成功那我在想說我們的國軍地中應該也有很多這方面的這個長才那也可不可以來個真稿然後再來做一個跟我們推幅會比較有關係的一個\n\n28\n00:10:09,955 --> 00:10:30,081\n當然本席還是強調我們不要不時非常華麗的過度包裝可是呢我覺得有一些文化底蘊我覺得融入進去我覺得也很重要那再來還有我有看到我們的那個平台也是一樣我們的銷售平台目前我們看到農場的官方的網站我們看到我們在像武陵農場它的官方網站購物網站我們看到就是一包一包拍攝下來然後畫質也不是很好\n\n29\n00:10:35,643 --> 00:11:01,302\n所以這個網站不是很吸引人那我有去看了三星地區的農會你看他們的這個拍攝的手法也都比較多元跟活潑甚至你還看到這個內容物像這個部分的話我們都可以來做參考我想說我們既然有優質的這個農產品就是不管是國內國外我們都是要加強來做推廣那當然他的這個形象也是非常的這個重要OK謝謝維恩指導是好以上謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n953\t4791\t謝謝主席有請退伍會原主委有請原主委\n13286\t41001\t主委好主委好 主委本席想就最近社會高度關注的義難逃兵的案件想做進一步的了解當然這個案子是有關係到全民對徵兵制度公平性跟醫療的誠信我們看到這個媒體有報導藝人王大陸涉嫌以假醫療證明來規避兵役的事件曝光之後檢警當然就是有做深入的調查\n41741\t68539\t那目前初步呢就已經發現有多達120人來做這個涉案那根據這個義政署的這個網站有的資訊顯示目前全台辦理義男復檢的指定醫院當中就包含了我們北中南三家退服會所屬的這個榮總醫院就是北榮中榮跟這個高雄榮總那我們所了解是目前台中榮總已經有兩件是涉及義人的這個義男復檢案件那請問 呃 主委\n70640\t88156\t中榮跟高雄榮祖呢 有沒有類似的這個案件報告委員 這個案件就司法調查我們現在所掌握的就是北農有兩件北農現在目前也在做配合司法的一個調查詳細的話我想請北農總院院長先跟您說\n90214\t114651\t報告委員 院長就這兩個案子到底是怎麼回事因為我有看到你有接受媒體的報導 你有喊冤你說根本沒有這回事 到底有沒有這回事報告委員5月14號接到看到媒體的報導我非常的震驚 馬上啟動醫院的調查這個九位閃避病人中的確有兩位是在台北榮總接受病疫公費復檢\n116152\t131982\t但是九位裡面有兩位台中醫北只有三家醫學中心可以驗三種台大跟榮總比例原則應該是還好所以新北市政府講的話好像是有誤會所以我馬上打電話去是怎麼樣的一個誤會\n133463\t137545\t我們這兩位為什麼說九位都在台北榮總呢是 剛開始是說全部都是在這個北榮所以目前確實是有兩間是在北榮然後中榮跟高雄榮總是沒有的是不是沒有嗎 沒有是不是所以就只有北榮兩間因為我有聽到您說喊冤然後還有提到說現在很可悲給人家看門診開診斷說還要非常的小心 當心\n160393\t186388\t其中是不是有詐這句話的意思是什麼請問這是我給院長一個機會做解釋這個事情其實我覺得蠻悲哀的因為醫生要信任病人醫病關係要維持良好不過現在詐騙猖獗現在連那個高血壓可能有人工高血壓所以呢是不是有用藥我們醫院的毒物部在台灣非常有名我已經請他們整理有哪些藥物會造成高血壓\n187907\t207034\t是不是要驗藥來處理已經把這個資料全部整理完畢所以之前是沒有的對不對就是一驗就是說他有高血壓可能事先他可能有吃藥了所以醫生在診斷的在複診的時候覺得他有高血壓就把診斷書給開出來是這樣子的意思嗎應該是這樣但是一切都是近代檢調的調查所以這兩者都跟高血壓有關係嗎\n209374\t227960\t這兩起這兩起就是高血壓但其他的內容就檢調已經在調查就全部提供資料由檢調來處理那九位散兵裡面的確那兩位是2017年2019年在榮總開過公費兵役復檢的診斷所那這個事情我們在調查中但是呢希望司法勿妄勿忠有違法\n230717\t251962\t那個藥源辦所以因為很多人都把這個閃冰案都跟這個仲介扯上關係我想對榮總來講的話可能在這個信譽上面會造成一些影響那院長的意思是說其實當初他們來做復檢也知道說這個部分是跟這個要去跟當兵有關係可是當初可能檢驗的時候就發現他有高血壓所以我們就開了診斷書出來\n257003\t284510\t那這當中的話我們開診斷書出來的這個醫生有跟仲介這邊有任何的這個牽連嗎這個有調查嗎這個要是 我相信司法在調查中這個是調查的其中的一環那我要向委員報告兵役復檢要開高血壓診斷書沒那麼容易兵役復檢要住院24小時因為怕有詐他要一直monitor他的血壓有沒有是奇怪什麼 有些正常所以呢\n285290\t312308\t要在醫院住院24小時這是規定但住院期間他有沒有用藥不知道住院期間所以我們的軍醫局跟我們的疫症單位應該已經在檢討怎麼樣來防避避免這樣的事情所以之後有關於血壓的部分如果是這個復檢的話以後我們的做法就是說他那24小時其實我們也要做藥物的這個檢測這個建議就是這個由疫症單位來掌握\n312948\t330262\t這個部分可能真的就是要來做檢討的這個部分如果有可能是有這種狀況的話因為我有看到院長喊冤所以我想應該要把話說清楚到底是不是跟仲介有勾結還是其實大家真的受到了這個不白之冤這個必須要說清楚\n331863\t333706\t好 請回 請回那再來的話我還是要再來換一個議題啦比較輕鬆一點之前我們去年我們武林農場有到日本去參加了這個\n348027\t371186\t我看那是這個大型的旅展叫Tourism Expo Japan那當初我們最主要是來推這個慢旅行喔可是很意外的就是說因為我們在推廣這個台灣高山農場深度旅行的時候其實我們有分送那個金宣茶糖給這個日本的這個民眾哪也知道呢就受到非常大的這個歡迎甚至有日本的這個朋友就問說到底要在哪裡來購買喔\n372347\t400020\t那所以這個部分的話我在想因為我進到八月或九月的時候今年八月九月我們可能要到新加坡還有馬來西亞也要推展旅展所以除了我們要推行我們的慢旅行之外呢我在想農產品好像很意外的也成了一個受歡迎的一項那當然像這個金萱茶堂其實辦公室也有啦我看到推幅會也有送了一包過來那我現在要提到的就是說其實居然受到國際友人的喜歡\n401261\t409867\t包裝方面是不是要來稍微做一個改進因為我有看到這個農會像這個甲仙地區農會它沒有過度的包裝可是你看看從視覺效果來看的話這個甲仙地區農會的這個包裝看起來就是非常的這個輕巧然後也很清新可是我們就是\n423377\t448359\t辅导会这边出来的这个包装真的就是比较传统很刻板的一个农产品的包装方式那我在想说再来我们又要到国外去推广那是不是这个部分的话不管是当着是赠送礼品也好或者是推广我们的农产品或者是未来可能会不会让这些优良的产品成为我们国家的这伴手礼在包装方面的话我们是不是有要进一步来做改进\n448939\t477084\t謝謝委員的關心跟指導我想這些包裝 農產品的一個包裝主要是我們都是委託專業的一些廠商來做設計的那主要第一個就凸顯出它的價值第二個是產品的辨識度當然剛剛委員指導我們怎麼樣去打破傳統怎麼樣能夠創新這都是非常一個很好的一個指導我們將來朝中他們做第二個我們現在也積極拓展所謂的異業合作 跨業\n478204\t494376\t強化我們現在目前跟故宮還有評科大還有委營戶這些單位來合作然後推出一些聯名的商品來繼續拓展我們這些銷路剛剛講的我們的新加坡以及國外的這些旅展我們都會超出他們的努力我想我們全部事業處處長再跟你補充\n497412\t512121\t我們近期針對這個產品現在委員這個關心我們發現我們的包裝是太low一點那我們有需要改進的空間但最主要是我們要表達是我們農場的特色但是可以做更精緻的表達\n512541\t537650\t目前為止我們一直在努力近期我們運用了五大農場的特色我們推出了五大農場的共有的聯合的一個產品來聯合銷售那這個剛推出來獲得很大回響也獲得很大的喜歡大家喜歡另外一個跟故宮故宮博物院跟平科大跟偉銀戶等等我們想藉著跟\n538810\t552457\t這些有名的商家的合作來推出我們的產品比如說故宮他這個點查歷史文物有文化底蘊我們也跟學術界研究來合作目前在進行當中是不是還沒看到產品已經出來了目前故宮還沒出來\n556679\t574518\t像跟平科大合作已經出來了已經慢慢出來而且銷售大概我們榮民醫院都跟我們採購這個比如說益生菌銷量非常非常好像今年度生產好像已經賣完了那我們還會繼續做這方面的努力謝謝委員的指導\n575038\t592459\t因為我之前前一兩年像高雄市這個農業局他有一個方案就是設計導入農會他那時候有邀請了在地的高雄的青年來做這個設計所以那時候十幾家的農會其實他都重新全部有來做這個包裝的\n594461\t605752\t優化那甚至是全新設計這個logo我覺得那時候非常的成功那我在想說我們的國軍地中應該也有很多這方面的這個長才那也可不可以來個真稿然後再來做一個跟我們推幅會比較有關係的一個\n609955\t630081\t當然本席還是強調我們不要不時非常華麗的過度包裝可是呢我覺得有一些文化底蘊我覺得融入進去我覺得也很重要那再來還有我有看到我們的那個平台也是一樣我們的銷售平台目前我們看到農場的官方的網站我們看到我們在像武陵農場它的官方網站購物網站我們看到就是一包一包拍攝下來然後畫質也不是很好\n635643\t661302\t所以這個網站不是很吸引人那我有去看了三星地區的農會你看他們的這個拍攝的手法也都比較多元跟活潑甚至你還看到這個內容物像這個部分的話我們都可以來做參考我想說我們既然有優質的這個農產品就是不管是國內國外我們都是要加強來做推廣那當然他的這個形象也是非常的這個重要OK謝謝維恩指導是好以上謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請退伍會原主委有請原主委\n主委好主委好 主委本席想就最近社會高度關注的義難逃兵的案件想做進一步的了解當然這個案子是有關係到全民對徵兵制度公平性跟醫療的誠信我們看到這個媒體有報導藝人王大陸涉嫌以假醫療證明來規避兵役的事件曝光之後檢警當然就是有做深入的調查\n那目前初步呢就已經發現有多達120人來做這個涉案那根據這個義政署的這個網站有的資訊顯示目前全台辦理義男復檢的指定醫院當中就包含了我們北中南三家退服會所屬的這個榮總醫院就是北榮中榮跟這個高雄榮總那我們所了解是目前台中榮總已經有兩件是涉及義人的這個義男復檢案件那請問 呃 主委\n中榮跟高雄榮祖呢 有沒有類似的這個案件報告委員 這個案件就司法調查我們現在所掌握的就是北農有兩件北農現在目前也在做配合司法的一個調查詳細的話我想請北農總院院長先跟您說\n報告委員 院長就這兩個案子到底是怎麼回事因為我有看到你有接受媒體的報導 你有喊冤你說根本沒有這回事 到底有沒有這回事報告委員5月14號接到看到媒體的報導我非常的震驚 馬上啟動醫院的調查這個九位閃避病人中的確有兩位是在台北榮總接受病疫公費復檢\n但是九位裡面有兩位台中醫北只有三家醫學中心可以驗三種台大跟榮總比例原則應該是還好所以新北市政府講的話好像是有誤會所以我馬上打電話去是怎麼樣的一個誤會\n我們這兩位為什麼說九位都在台北榮總呢是 剛開始是說全部都是在這個北榮所以目前確實是有兩間是在北榮然後中榮跟高雄榮總是沒有的是不是沒有嗎 沒有是不是所以就只有北榮兩間因為我有聽到您說喊冤然後還有提到說現在很可悲給人家看門診開診斷說還要非常的小心 當心\n其中是不是有詐這句話的意思是什麼請問這是我給院長一個機會做解釋這個事情其實我覺得蠻悲哀的因為醫生要信任病人醫病關係要維持良好不過現在詐騙猖獗現在連那個高血壓可能有人工高血壓所以呢是不是有用藥我們醫院的毒物部在台灣非常有名我已經請他們整理有哪些藥物會造成高血壓\n是不是要驗藥來處理已經把這個資料全部整理完畢所以之前是沒有的對不對就是一驗就是說他有高血壓可能事先他可能有吃藥了所以醫生在診斷的在複診的時候覺得他有高血壓就把診斷書給開出來是這樣子的意思嗎應該是這樣但是一切都是近代檢調的調查所以這兩者都跟高血壓有關係嗎\n這兩起這兩起就是高血壓但其他的內容就檢調已經在調查就全部提供資料由檢調來處理那九位散兵裡面的確那兩位是2017年2019年在榮總開過公費兵役復檢的診斷所那這個事情我們在調查中但是呢希望司法勿妄勿忠有違法\n那個藥源辦所以因為很多人都把這個閃冰案都跟這個仲介扯上關係我想對榮總來講的話可能在這個信譽上面會造成一些影響那院長的意思是說其實當初他們來做復檢也知道說這個部分是跟這個要去跟當兵有關係可是當初可能檢驗的時候就發現他有高血壓所以我們就開了診斷書出來\n那這當中的話我們開診斷書出來的這個醫生有跟仲介這邊有任何的這個牽連嗎這個有調查嗎這個要是 我相信司法在調查中這個是調查的其中的一環那我要向委員報告兵役復檢要開高血壓診斷書沒那麼容易兵役復檢要住院24小時因為怕有詐他要一直monitor他的血壓有沒有是奇怪什麼 有些正常所以呢\n要在醫院住院24小時這是規定但住院期間他有沒有用藥不知道住院期間所以我們的軍醫局跟我們的疫症單位應該已經在檢討怎麼樣來防避避免這樣的事情所以之後有關於血壓的部分如果是這個復檢的話以後我們的做法就是說他那24小時其實我們也要做藥物的這個檢測這個建議就是這個由疫症單位來掌握\n這個部分可能真的就是要來做檢討的這個部分如果有可能是有這種狀況的話因為我有看到院長喊冤所以我想應該要把話說清楚到底是不是跟仲介有勾結還是其實大家真的受到了這個不白之冤這個必須要說清楚\n好 請回 請回那再來的話我還是要再來換一個議題啦比較輕鬆一點之前我們去年我們武林農場有到日本去參加了這個\n我看那是這個大型的旅展叫Tourism Expo Japan那當初我們最主要是來推這個慢旅行喔可是很意外的就是說因為我們在推廣這個台灣高山農場深度旅行的時候其實我們有分送那個金宣茶糖給這個日本的這個民眾哪也知道呢就受到非常大的這個歡迎甚至有日本的這個朋友就問說到底要在哪裡來購買喔\n那所以這個部分的話我在想因為我進到八月或九月的時候今年八月九月我們可能要到新加坡還有馬來西亞也要推展旅展所以除了我們要推行我們的慢旅行之外呢我在想農產品好像很意外的也成了一個受歡迎的一項那當然像這個金萱茶堂其實辦公室也有啦我看到推幅會也有送了一包過來那我現在要提到的就是說其實居然受到國際友人的喜歡\n包裝方面是不是要來稍微做一個改進因為我有看到這個農會像這個甲仙地區農會它沒有過度的包裝可是你看看從視覺效果來看的話這個甲仙地區農會的這個包裝看起來就是非常的這個輕巧然後也很清新可是我們就是\n辅导会这边出来的这个包装真的就是比较传统很刻板的一个农产品的包装方式那我在想说再来我们又要到国外去推广那是不是这个部分的话不管是当着是赠送礼品也好或者是推广我们的农产品或者是未来可能会不会让这些优良的产品成为我们国家的这伴手礼在包装方面的话我们是不是有要进一步来做改进\n謝謝委員的關心跟指導我想這些包裝 農產品的一個包裝主要是我們都是委託專業的一些廠商來做設計的那主要第一個就凸顯出它的價值第二個是產品的辨識度當然剛剛委員指導我們怎麼樣去打破傳統怎麼樣能夠創新這都是非常一個很好的一個指導我們將來朝中他們做第二個我們現在也積極拓展所謂的異業合作 跨業\n強化我們現在目前跟故宮還有評科大還有委營戶這些單位來合作然後推出一些聯名的商品來繼續拓展我們這些銷路剛剛講的我們的新加坡以及國外的這些旅展我們都會超出他們的努力我想我們全部事業處處長再跟你補充\n我們近期針對這個產品現在委員這個關心我們發現我們的包裝是太low一點那我們有需要改進的空間但最主要是我們要表達是我們農場的特色但是可以做更精緻的表達\n目前為止我們一直在努力近期我們運用了五大農場的特色我們推出了五大農場的共有的聯合的一個產品來聯合銷售那這個剛推出來獲得很大回響也獲得很大的喜歡大家喜歡另外一個跟故宮故宮博物院跟平科大跟偉銀戶等等我們想藉著跟\n這些有名的商家的合作來推出我們的產品比如說故宮他這個點查歷史文物有文化底蘊我們也跟學術界研究來合作目前在進行當中是不是還沒看到產品已經出來了目前故宮還沒出來\n像跟平科大合作已經出來了已經慢慢出來而且銷售大概我們榮民醫院都跟我們採購這個比如說益生菌銷量非常非常好像今年度生產好像已經賣完了那我們還會繼續做這方面的努力謝謝委員的指導\n因為我之前前一兩年像高雄市這個農業局他有一個方案就是設計導入農會他那時候有邀請了在地的高雄的青年來做這個設計所以那時候十幾家的農會其實他都重新全部有來做這個包裝的\n優化那甚至是全新設計這個logo我覺得那時候非常的成功那我在想說我們的國軍地中應該也有很多這方面的這個長才那也可不可以來個真稿然後再來做一個跟我們推幅會比較有關係的一個\n當然本席還是強調我們不要不時非常華麗的過度包裝可是呢我覺得有一些文化底蘊我覺得融入進去我覺得也很重要那再來還有我有看到我們的那個平台也是一樣我們的銷售平台目前我們看到農場的官方的網站我們看到我們在像武陵農場它的官方網站購物網站我們看到就是一包一包拍攝下來然後畫質也不是很好\n所以這個網站不是很吸引人那我有去看了三星地區的農會你看他們的這個拍攝的手法也都比較多元跟活潑甚至你還看到這個內容物像這個部分的話我們都可以來做參考我想說我們既然有優質的這個農產品就是不管是國內國外我們都是要加強來做推廣那當然他的這個形象也是非常的這個重要OK謝謝維恩指導是好以上謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.953 --> 00:04.791\n謝謝主席有請退伍會原主委有請原主委\n\n00:13.286 --> 00:41.001\n主委好主委好主委本席想就最近社會高度關注的義難逃兵的案件想做進一步的了解當然這個案子是有關係到全民對徵兵制度公平性跟醫療的誠信我們看到這個媒體有報導藝人王大陸涉嫌以假醫療證明來規避兵役的事件曝光之後檢警當然就是有做深入的調查\n\n00:41.741 --> 01:08.539\n那目前初步呢就已經發現有多達120人來做這個涉案那根據這個義政署的這個網站有的資訊顯示目前全台辦理義男復檢的指定醫院當中就包含了我們北中南三家退服會所屬的這個榮總醫院就是北榮中榮跟這個高雄榮總那我們所了解是目前台中榮總已經有兩件是涉及義人的這個義男復檢案件那請問呃主委\n\n01:10.640 --> 01:28.156\n中榮跟高雄榮祖呢有沒有類似的這個案件報告委員這個案件就司法調查我們現在所掌握的就是北農有兩件北農現在目前也在做配合司法的一個調查詳細的話我想請北農總院院長先跟您說\n\n01:30.214 --> 01:54.651\n報告委員院長就這兩個案子到底是怎麼回事因為我有看到你有接受媒體的報導你有喊冤你說根本沒有這回事到底有沒有這回事報告委員5月14號接到看到媒體的報導我非常的震驚馬上啟動醫院的調查這個九位閃避病人中的確有兩位是在台北榮總接受病疫公費復檢\n\n01:56.152 --> 02:11.982\n但是九位裡面有兩位台中醫北只有三家醫學中心可以驗三種台大跟榮總比例原則應該是還好所以新北市政府講的話好像是有誤會所以我馬上打電話去是怎麼樣的一個誤會\n\n02:13.463 --> 02:17.545\n我們這兩位為什麼說九位都在台北榮總呢是剛開始是說全部都是在這個北榮所以目前確實是有兩間是在北榮然後中榮跟高雄榮總是沒有的是不是沒有嗎沒有是不是所以就只有北榮兩間因為我有聽到您說喊冤然後還有提到說現在很可悲給人家看門診開診斷說還要非常的小心當心\n\n02:40.393 --> 03:06.388\n其中是不是有詐這句話的意思是什麼請問這是我給院長一個機會做解釋這個事情其實我覺得蠻悲哀的因為醫生要信任病人醫病關係要維持良好不過現在詐騙猖獗現在連那個高血壓可能有人工高血壓所以呢是不是有用藥我們醫院的毒物部在台灣非常有名我已經請他們整理有哪些藥物會造成高血壓\n\n03:07.907 --> 03:27.034\n是不是要驗藥來處理已經把這個資料全部整理完畢所以之前是沒有的對不對就是一驗就是說他有高血壓可能事先他可能有吃藥了所以醫生在診斷的在複診的時候覺得他有高血壓就把診斷書給開出來是這樣子的意思嗎應該是這樣但是一切都是近代檢調的調查所以這兩者都跟高血壓有關係嗎\n\n03:29.374 --> 03:47.960\n這兩起這兩起就是高血壓但其他的內容就檢調已經在調查就全部提供資料由檢調來處理那九位散兵裡面的確那兩位是2017年2019年在榮總開過公費兵役復檢的診斷所那這個事情我們在調查中但是呢希望司法勿妄勿忠有違法\n\n03:50.717 --> 04:11.962\n那個藥源辦所以因為很多人都把這個閃冰案都跟這個仲介扯上關係我想對榮總來講的話可能在這個信譽上面會造成一些影響那院長的意思是說其實當初他們來做復檢也知道說這個部分是跟這個要去跟當兵有關係可是當初可能檢驗的時候就發現他有高血壓所以我們就開了診斷書出來\n\n04:17.003 --> 04:44.510\n那這當中的話我們開診斷書出來的這個醫生有跟仲介這邊有任何的這個牽連嗎這個有調查嗎這個要是我相信司法在調查中這個是調查的其中的一環那我要向委員報告兵役復檢要開高血壓診斷書沒那麼容易兵役復檢要住院24小時因為怕有詐他要一直monitor他的血壓有沒有是奇怪什麼有些正常所以呢\n\n04:45.290 --> 05:12.308\n要在醫院住院24小時這是規定但住院期間他有沒有用藥不知道住院期間所以我們的軍醫局跟我們的疫症單位應該已經在檢討怎麼樣來防避避免這樣的事情所以之後有關於血壓的部分如果是這個復檢的話以後我們的做法就是說他那24小時其實我們也要做藥物的這個檢測這個建議就是這個由疫症單位來掌握\n\n05:12.948 --> 05:30.262\n這個部分可能真的就是要來做檢討的這個部分如果有可能是有這種狀況的話因為我有看到院長喊冤所以我想應該要把話說清楚到底是不是跟仲介有勾結還是其實大家真的受到了這個不白之冤這個必須要說清楚\n\n05:31.863 --> 05:33.706\n好請回請回那再來的話我還是要再來換一個議題啦比較輕鬆一點之前我們去年我們武林農場有到日本去參加了這個\n\n05:48.027 --> 06:11.186\n我看那是這個大型的旅展叫TourismExpoJapan那當初我們最主要是來推這個慢旅行喔可是很意外的就是說因為我們在推廣這個台灣高山農場深度旅行的時候其實我們有分送那個金宣茶糖給這個日本的這個民眾哪也知道呢就受到非常大的這個歡迎甚至有日本的這個朋友就問說到底要在哪裡來購買喔\n\n06:12.347 --> 06:40.020\n那所以這個部分的話我在想因為我進到八月或九月的時候今年八月九月我們可能要到新加坡還有馬來西亞也要推展旅展所以除了我們要推行我們的慢旅行之外呢我在想農產品好像很意外的也成了一個受歡迎的一項那當然像這個金萱茶堂其實辦公室也有啦我看到推幅會也有送了一包過來那我現在要提到的就是說其實居然受到國際友人的喜歡\n\n06:41.261 --> 06:49.867\n包裝方面是不是要來稍微做一個改進因為我有看到這個農會像這個甲仙地區農會它沒有過度的包裝可是你看看從視覺效果來看的話這個甲仙地區農會的這個包裝看起來就是非常的這個輕巧然後也很清新可是我們就是\n\n07:03.377 --> 07:28.359\n辅导会这边出来的这个包装真的就是比较传统很刻板的一个农产品的包装方式那我在想说再来我们又要到国外去推广那是不是这个部分的话不管是当着是赠送礼品也好或者是推广我们的农产品或者是未来可能会不会让这些优良的产品成为我们国家的这伴手礼在包装方面的话我们是不是有要进一步来做改进\n\n07:28.939 --> 07:57.084\n謝謝委員的關心跟指導我想這些包裝農產品的一個包裝主要是我們都是委託專業的一些廠商來做設計的那主要第一個就凸顯出它的價值第二個是產品的辨識度當然剛剛委員指導我們怎麼樣去打破傳統怎麼樣能夠創新這都是非常一個很好的一個指導我們將來朝中他們做第二個我們現在也積極拓展所謂的異業合作跨業\n\n07:58.204 --> 08:14.376\n強化我們現在目前跟故宮還有評科大還有委營戶這些單位來合作然後推出一些聯名的商品來繼續拓展我們這些銷路剛剛講的我們的新加坡以及國外的這些旅展我們都會超出他們的努力我想我們全部事業處處長再跟你補充\n\n08:17.412 --> 08:32.121\n我們近期針對這個產品現在委員這個關心我們發現我們的包裝是太low一點那我們有需要改進的空間但最主要是我們要表達是我們農場的特色但是可以做更精緻的表達\n\n08:32.541 --> 08:57.650\n目前為止我們一直在努力近期我們運用了五大農場的特色我們推出了五大農場的共有的聯合的一個產品來聯合銷售那這個剛推出來獲得很大回響也獲得很大的喜歡大家喜歡另外一個跟故宮故宮博物院跟平科大跟偉銀戶等等我們想藉著跟\n\n08:58.810 --> 09:12.457\n這些有名的商家的合作來推出我們的產品比如說故宮他這個點查歷史文物有文化底蘊我們也跟學術界研究來合作目前在進行當中是不是還沒看到產品已經出來了目前故宮還沒出來\n\n09:16.679 --> 09:34.518\n像跟平科大合作已經出來了已經慢慢出來而且銷售大概我們榮民醫院都跟我們採購這個比如說益生菌銷量非常非常好像今年度生產好像已經賣完了那我們還會繼續做這方面的努力謝謝委員的指導\n\n09:35.038 --> 09:52.459\n因為我之前前一兩年像高雄市這個農業局他有一個方案就是設計導入農會他那時候有邀請了在地的高雄的青年來做這個設計所以那時候十幾家的農會其實他都重新全部有來做這個包裝的\n\n09:54.461 --> 10:05.752\n優化那甚至是全新設計這個logo我覺得那時候非常的成功那我在想說我們的國軍地中應該也有很多這方面的這個長才那也可不可以來個真稿然後再來做一個跟我們推幅會比較有關係的一個\n\n10:09.955 --> 10:30.081\n當然本席還是強調我們不要不時非常華麗的過度包裝可是呢我覺得有一些文化底蘊我覺得融入進去我覺得也很重要那再來還有我有看到我們的那個平台也是一樣我們的銷售平台目前我們看到農場的官方的網站我們看到我們在像武陵農場它的官方網站購物網站我們看到就是一包一包拍攝下來然後畫質也不是很好\n\n10:35.643 --> 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