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00:01:28,336\n那他們第二個是他們的除夕的這些相關的能力啦那能力的部分因為特別在青農的部分他們才剛進入從事農業可能10年以下他們對到65歲還有很長的一段時間他們覺得說不確定性蠻高的所以他們期待的是能夠降低他們的負擔那所以\n\n5\n00:01:29,076 --> 00:01:33,868\n委員雖然提的我們也尊重而且我們也會演繹他現在是我舉個例子100對100現在是100對100那未來是100對150嘛\n\n6\n00:01:38,652 --> 00:01:58,619\n對於還沒有加入的人就部長的建議反倒是降低現在農民的負擔對這樣的話意願會比較提高對就未來的變化還很多但是降低他們的負擔政府多協助多提撥一點然後農民提撥少一點但是總額其實是沒有改變那這樣對他們實際上的幫助會來更大會朝這個方向對會朝這個方向\n\n7\n00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:15,248\n剛好當年在勞工退休金的時候剛好那時候我也在勞委會服務所以剛好我參與到其中我也認為其實是一個很好的制度甚至很多還會自己加碼提撥所以我覺得這個制度面其實是一個好的制度面那我也希望未來如果朝向部長這樣的方向的話\n\n8\n00:02:16,028 --> 00:02:36,540\n就是我們在給政府多提一點然後給農民少提一點的話那希望在未來的部分給予讓他們有更多的一些支持一方面他們資金的調度會比較好一點一方面也給予他們更多未來退休生活後的保障我覺得這是一個好的方向啦那也請部長盡快把這個方案提出來好不好會這個議定什麼時候可以提出來\n\n9\n00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:48,696\n我想我們大概的方案除了委員的版本我們會去分析以外那我們剛才提的這些概念還有一個非常重要也是委員您也在關心的就是有一些過去曾經是從事勞工的對\n\n10\n00:02:51,820 --> 00:03:16,187\n他為了不放棄他的勞保的方式然後但是他又持續從事農業那這個部分是沒有辦法獲得保障的我們也希望說這個部分能夠用什麼樣的機制讓他們也能夠加入農民退休儲金就讓他能夠銜接進來能夠整個來支持能夠變成類似雙軌的概念我覺得這個都是好的方向我們會整體的提出來以後就整體來思考一下因為\n\n11\n00:03:17,707 --> 00:03:34,273\n農民跟勞工都是相對上比較辛苦比較那個那如果給予他們多一點支持我想這個大家都是有共識的啦那如何怎麼樣他們有些過去他們思考點在轉軌的過程怎麼去轉得更順一點給他們更多的支持好不好這個請部長再多費心那一定什麼時候可以提出來\n\n12\n00:03:36,355 --> 00:03:51,931\n我們的方案大概已經分析的跟研擬的差不多了第一個我們先要跟行政院做報告因為所有的資金會有所以下個會期進到立法院來應該是可以如果說我們的方案獲得行政院同意的話下個會期就會進來\n\n13\n00:03:53,012 --> 00:04:21,153\n我們下一個會議進來我們希望下一期進速來完成我們現在第一個第一階段就是要獲得行政院的支持跟同意對因為行政院會有恆平上的整體的考量對它又有跟農民勞工跟其他的所有的事情的恆平上的考量它應該會有一致性的思考是好那我們期待下個會議期來進速來通過那再來我先請教一下我看到部長也有在談論到農業金庫這個農業金庫有將近一兆的一個金額那大家也都很擔憂\n\n14\n00:04:21,974 --> 00:04:37,148\n部長我們現在能不能完全的掌控好這樣的一個農業金庫的運作我相信農業金庫第一個農業金庫現在的經營我們用專業經理人像現在的董事長就是專業的一個經理人所以我們希望說農業金庫他是\n\n15\n00:04:39,069 --> 00:05:01,418\n協助我們農業的各項資金金融的支持還有對於我們的農會的信用部的一些監管的部分我們會更落實那這個這樣的一個過程中我們都希望有更好的措施所以在經營面農業部能不能精準的去掌握住農業經過我知道很多人大概都想要掌握到農業經過中我們現在是\n\n16\n00:05:03,442 --> 00:05:17,321\n我們的公股包括我們的獨立董事我們是能夠具有主導權現在主導權幾席我們總共主導權應該有5席的獨董加6席的公股是11席所以15席\n\n17\n00:05:18,642 --> 00:05:37,973\n裡面有十一席是可以那個那我還是要請部長還是要那個因為這幾道是整個國家的整體的對農民的權益跟整體我覺得這個事情還是要由政府來主導這個才會讓大家信任但是我們主導過程中我們也會讓農會來參與所以十五席裡面有總共有九席是農漁會的代表\n\n18\n00:05:38,733 --> 00:05:56,019\n就是農業會也能夠充分的表達那個意見所以我們希望說在這個政股主導的過程中也能夠讓農會來參與這個提供意見大家都沒有問題我講的是主導權啊因為畢竟它關股的這個還是有相當重要的那現在有很多提到說持股一趴以上就能夠來\n\n19\n00:05:57,499 --> 00:06:14,454\n獲得提名權這個部長支持這樣的方案嗎我們基本上不希望用這樣的方式最主要就是說當你有一趴的時候那相對的因為大概很多農會組成的嘛他就可以提一些董事那你也知道農會有定期的選舉那選舉裡面也有一些分老嘛\n\n20\n00:06:15,054 --> 00:06:35,113\n那很容易被有心人做操控那如果說操控成功的話我們的經營權就會轉移到這些農會而且是特定的這些組織裡面去的時候那相對的對國家來講是一個災難因為部長我們一看過太多民間的企業怎麼樣被禿鷹給襲擊然後導致失去了主導權然後導致那個\n\n21\n00:06:36,634 --> 00:06:52,960\n這個農業金庫是國家很重要的一個然後我希望這塊還是要部長要緊守住由國家主導這個方向因為國家一定是國家的利益農民的利益為最大那但是如果是各個農會或者地方派系那就不一定了他的思考點就不見得是如此\n\n22\n00:06:53,220 --> 00:07:08,666\n我覺得這個部分一定要嚴格的把關好不好請部長要嚴守住這樣一個底線那再來我請教一下日本最近缺米那台灣的米銷往日本其實是一個很好的機會那今年的一到四月已經有五萬五千多五千多對\n\n23\n00:07:09,706 --> 00:07:33,351\n對那這樣看這樣比例有可能今年有機會突破到1.5萬噸有機會嗎我們的初步的預估至少可以到1萬噸至少到1萬噸應該是一個低標吧我就看1到4月都已經一半了對就是我們的低標是1萬噸那同時我們也在觀察現在日本有一些所謂的他們的類似我們公糧的廚米有釋出嘛但是不影響我們的輸出啦對不是啦我希望朝\n\n24\n00:07:35,752 --> 00:07:57,580\n1.5萬噸的這個還是要更積極一點的目標啦因為我覺得一方面是日本缺米正是我們機會打進日本是我們的好機會那另外一方面是日本跟台灣過去以來長期以來這樣的關係其實是而且我們的米的品質也越好那加上我們的米的量其實是足夠的那如果我們把我們的優質好的米能夠輸入到日本趁這一次機會坦白講一般如果他不缺米你也沒有機會打進去啦\n\n25\n00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:13,169\n因為缺米那這時候應該大力的打進去讓台灣的米能夠外銷到日本去那如果形成他們很認可台灣的米也習慣的時候對台灣的稻米也是一個很好的良心我跟委員報告我們不只是說他缺米才打進去我們希望說我們打進去以後是可以持續的\n\n26\n00:08:13,869 --> 00:08:29,700\n這一定要留下來這個留下來而且是我們現在跟很多日本大的通路商在合作那通路商走高端的品牌的時候就可以做市場區隔讓我們的稻米持續的外銷我希望是我們很多優質的稻米能夠打進去因為日本的稻米非常的好\n\n27\n00:08:30,140 --> 00:08:53,777\n大家很多人還在日本很喜歡吃日本的稻米但是我希望趁這個機會把台灣優質的稻米打進日本市場而且是長遠的但我講的只是說因為是缺米現在才有這個機會如果不缺米我們也不好打但是因為缺米的時候它需求量大的時候反倒我們應該趁這個時候把區隔做出來跟其他國家的區隔做出來然後打進去日本市場那這個對於台灣的稻米市場的會有很大的幫助啦對我們朝這個1.5萬噸來努力\n\n28\n00:08:54,878 --> 00:09:10,033\n我覺得一萬噸太低標了這幾乎不用隨什麼理應應該要設定高一點的目標才能夠去達成那一萬噸照現在的努力方向應該也都可以達成好不好謝謝那最後請教一個我們羽洋漁船的收購部分這個沒有問題吧\n\n29\n00:09:10,974 --> 00:09:19,003\n這個我想基本上我們內部都已經處理了現在在抱怨嘛在抱怨的部分然後我們也會跟行政院做一個很好的勾勒所以會延長到116年82艘總經費達到28億28.49億所以會這樣子啦\n\n30\n00:09:32,717 --> 00:09:38,626\n朝這個方向來前進我們引爆院長我們會跟行政院做好那請再跟院長來爭取我也會跟院長來拜託這個對於整個產業的提升競爭力是有幫助的好謝謝現在請邱志偉委員做詢答\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n410\t8143\t現在請賴瑞榮委員做詢答好 謝謝召委 請陳部長陳部長\n16599\t43679\t我想大家今天提的主要也都希望給農民退休儲金有更好的一些待遇然後也給農民更多的支持大方向上我想大家都是朝這個方向在努力但是我也看到了大概初步的一些規劃上也有考慮到包括農民跟勞工之間的恆平性上的問題其實我也鼓勵未來應該更多都朝向給予他們更多支持的方向就農民勞工其實都是比較辛苦的都應該給予更多支持\n44640\t62921\t在這樣的狀況下的話,這個部長這邊,那未來會朝向是政府多一點點支持嗎?補貼的方式嗎?多一點?我跟委員報告齁,就是從我們實際上再去了解,就是農民催促儲金農民朋友在考慮的,特別是青農朋友在考慮的,第一個是他們的儲蓄習慣\n64282\t88336\t那他們第二個是他們的除夕的這些相關的能力啦那能力的部分因為特別在青農的部分他們才剛進入從事農業可能10年以下他們對到65歲還有很長的一段時間他們覺得說不確定性蠻高的所以他們期待的是能夠降低他們的負擔那所以\n89076\t93868\t委員雖然提的我們也尊重而且我們也會演繹他現在是我舉個例子100對100現在是100對100那未來是100對150嘛\n98652\t118619\t對於還沒有加入的人就部長的建議反倒是降低現在農民的負擔對 這樣的話意願會比較提高對 就未來的變化還很多但是降低他們的負擔政府多協助 多提撥一點然後農民提撥少一點但是總額其實是沒有改變那這樣對他們實際上的幫助會來更大會朝這個方向對 會朝這個方向\n120240\t135248\t剛好當年在勞工退休金的時候剛好那時候我也在勞委會服務所以剛好我參與到其中我也認為其實是一個很好的制度甚至很多還會自己加碼提撥所以我覺得這個制度面其實是一個好的制度面那我也希望未來如果朝向部長這樣的方向的話\n136028\t156540\t就是我們在給政府多提一點然後給農民少提一點的話那希望在未來的部分給予讓他們有更多的一些支持一方面他們資金的調度會比較好一點一方面也給予他們更多未來退休生活後的保障我覺得這是一個好的方向啦那也請部長盡快把這個方案提出來好不好會這個議定什麼時候可以提出來\n157000\t168696\t我想我們大概的方案除了委員的版本我們會去分析以外那我們剛才提的這些概念還有一個非常重要也是委員您也在關心的就是有一些過去曾經是從事勞工的對\n171820\t196187\t他為了不放棄他的勞保的方式然後但是他又持續從事農業那這個部分是沒有辦法獲得保障的我們也希望說這個部分能夠用什麼樣的機制讓他們也能夠加入農民退休儲金就讓他能夠銜接進來能夠整個來支持能夠變成類似雙軌的概念我覺得這個都是好的方向我們會整體的提出來以後就整體來思考一下因為\n197707\t214273\t農民跟勞工都是相對上比較辛苦比較那個那如果給予他們多一點支持我想這個大家都是有共識的啦那如何怎麼樣他們有些過去他們思考點在轉軌的過程怎麼去轉得更順一點給他們更多的支持好不好這個請部長再多費心那一定什麼時候可以提出來\n216355\t231931\t我們的方案大概已經分析的跟研擬的差不多了第一個我們先要跟行政院做報告因為所有的資金會有所以下個會期進到立法院來應該是可以如果說我們的方案獲得行政院同意的話下個會期就會進來\n233012\t261153\t我們下一個會議進來我們希望下一期進速來完成我們現在第一個第一階段就是要獲得行政院的支持跟同意對 因為行政院會有恆平上的整體的考量對 它又有跟農民勞工跟其他的所有的事情的恆平上的考量它應該會有一致性的思考是好那我們期待下個會議期來進速來通過那再來我先請教一下我看到部長也有在談論到農業金庫這個農業金庫有將近一兆的一個金額那大家也都很擔憂\n261974\t277148\t部長我們現在能不能完全的掌控好這樣的一個農業金庫的運作我相信農業金庫第一個農業金庫現在的經營我們用專業經理人像現在的董事長就是專業的一個經理人所以我們希望說農業金庫他是\n279069\t301418\t協助我們農業的各項資金金融的支持還有對於我們的農會的信用部的一些監管的部分我們會更落實那這個這樣的一個過程中我們都希望有更好的措施所以在經營面農業部能不能精準的去掌握住農業經過我知道很多人大概都想要掌握到農業經過中我們現在是\n303442\t317321\t我們的公股包括我們的獨立董事我們是能夠具有主導權現在主導權幾席我們總共主導權應該有5席的獨董加6席的公股是11席所以15席\n318642\t337973\t裡面有十一席是可以那個那我還是要請部長還是要那個因為這幾道是整個國家的整體的對農民的權益跟整體我覺得這個事情還是要由政府來主導這個才會讓大家信任但是我們主導過程中我們也會讓農會來參與所以十五席裡面有總共有九席是農漁會的代表\n338733\t356019\t就是農業會也能夠充分的表達那個意見所以我們希望說在這個政股主導的過程中也能夠讓農會來參與這個提供意見大家都沒有問題我講的是主導權啊因為畢竟它關股的這個還是有相當重要的那現在有很多提到說持股一趴以上就能夠來\n357499\t374454\t獲得提名權 這個部長支持這樣的方案嗎我們基本上不希望用這樣的方式最主要就是說當你有一趴的時候那相對的因為大概很多農會組成的嘛他就可以提一些董事那你也知道農會有定期的選舉那選舉裡面也有一些分老嘛\n375054\t395113\t那很容易被有心人做操控那如果說操控成功的話我們的經營權就會轉移到這些農會而且是特定的這些組織裡面去的時候那相對的對國家來講是一個災難因為部長我們一看過太多民間的企業怎麼樣被禿鷹給襲擊然後導致失去了主導權然後導致那個\n396634\t412960\t這個農業金庫是國家很重要的一個然後我希望這塊還是要部長要緊守住由國家主導這個方向因為國家一定是國家的利益農民的利益為最大那但是如果是各個農會或者地方派系那就不一定了他的思考點就不見得是如此\n413220\t428666\t我覺得這個部分一定要嚴格的把關好不好 請部長要嚴守住這樣一個底線那再來我請教一下日本最近缺米那台灣的米銷往日本其實是一個很好的機會那今年的一到四月已經有五萬五千多 五千多 對\n429706\t453351\t對那這樣看這樣比例有可能今年有機會突破到1.5萬噸有機會嗎我們的初步的預估至少可以到1萬噸至少到1萬噸應該是一個低標吧我就看1到4月都已經一半了對就是我們的低標是1萬噸那同時我們也在觀察現在日本有一些所謂的他們的類似我們公糧的廚米有釋出嘛但是不影響我們的輸出啦對不是啦我希望朝\n455752\t477580\t1.5萬噸的這個還是要更積極一點的目標啦因為我覺得一方面是日本缺米正是我們機會打進日本是我們的好機會那另外一方面是日本跟台灣過去以來長期以來這樣的關係其實是而且我們的米的品質也越好那加上我們的米的量其實是足夠的那如果我們把我們的優質好的米能夠輸入到日本趁這一次機會坦白講一般如果他不缺米你也沒有機會打進去啦\n478080\t493169\t因為缺米那這時候應該大力的打進去讓台灣的米能夠外銷到日本去那如果形成他們很認可台灣的米也習慣的時候對台灣的稻米也是一個很好的良心我跟委員報告我們不只是說他缺米才打進去我們希望說我們打進去以後是可以持續的\n493869\t509700\t這一定要留下來這個留下來而且是我們現在跟很多日本大的通路商在合作那通路商走高端的品牌的時候就可以做市場區隔讓我們的稻米持續的外銷我希望是我們很多優質的稻米能夠打進去因為日本的稻米非常的好\n510140\t533777\t大家很多人還在日本很喜歡吃日本的稻米但是我希望趁這個機會把台灣優質的稻米打進日本市場而且是長遠的但我講的只是說因為是缺米現在才有這個機會如果不缺米我們也不好打但是因為缺米的時候它需求量大的時候反倒我們應該趁這個時候把區隔做出來跟其他國家的區隔做出來然後打進去日本市場那這個對於台灣的稻米市場的會有很大的幫助啦對我們朝這個1.5萬噸來努力\n534878\t550033\t我覺得一萬噸太低標了這幾乎不用隨什麼理應應該要設定高一點的目標才能夠去達成那一萬噸照現在的努力方向應該也都可以達成好不好謝謝那最後請教一個我們羽洋漁船的收購部分這個沒有問題吧\n550974\t559003\t這個我想 基本上我們內部都已經處理了 現在在抱怨嘛在抱怨的部分 然後我們也會跟行政院做一個很好的勾勒所以會延長到116年 82艘 總經費達到28億28.49億所以會這樣子啦\n572717\t578626\t朝這個方向來前進我們引爆院長我們會跟行政院做好那請再跟院長來爭取我也會跟院長來拜託這個對於整個產業的提升競爭力是有幫助的好謝謝現在請邱志偉委員做詢答\n","txt":"現在請賴瑞榮委員做詢答好 謝謝召委 請陳部長陳部長\n我想大家今天提的主要也都希望給農民退休儲金有更好的一些待遇然後也給農民更多的支持大方向上我想大家都是朝這個方向在努力但是我也看到了大概初步的一些規劃上也有考慮到包括農民跟勞工之間的恆平性上的問題其實我也鼓勵未來應該更多都朝向給予他們更多支持的方向就農民勞工其實都是比較辛苦的都應該給予更多支持\n在這樣的狀況下的話,這個部長這邊,那未來會朝向是政府多一點點支持嗎?補貼的方式嗎?多一點?我跟委員報告齁,就是從我們實際上再去了解,就是農民催促儲金農民朋友在考慮的,特別是青農朋友在考慮的,第一個是他們的儲蓄習慣\n那他們第二個是他們的除夕的這些相關的能力啦那能力的部分因為特別在青農的部分他們才剛進入從事農業可能10年以下他們對到65歲還有很長的一段時間他們覺得說不確定性蠻高的所以他們期待的是能夠降低他們的負擔那所以\n委員雖然提的我們也尊重而且我們也會演繹他現在是我舉個例子100對100現在是100對100那未來是100對150嘛\n對於還沒有加入的人就部長的建議反倒是降低現在農民的負擔對 這樣的話意願會比較提高對 就未來的變化還很多但是降低他們的負擔政府多協助 多提撥一點然後農民提撥少一點但是總額其實是沒有改變那這樣對他們實際上的幫助會來更大會朝這個方向對 會朝這個方向\n剛好當年在勞工退休金的時候剛好那時候我也在勞委會服務所以剛好我參與到其中我也認為其實是一個很好的制度甚至很多還會自己加碼提撥所以我覺得這個制度面其實是一個好的制度面那我也希望未來如果朝向部長這樣的方向的話\n就是我們在給政府多提一點然後給農民少提一點的話那希望在未來的部分給予讓他們有更多的一些支持一方面他們資金的調度會比較好一點一方面也給予他們更多未來退休生活後的保障我覺得這是一個好的方向啦那也請部長盡快把這個方案提出來好不好會這個議定什麼時候可以提出來\n我想我們大概的方案除了委員的版本我們會去分析以外那我們剛才提的這些概念還有一個非常重要也是委員您也在關心的就是有一些過去曾經是從事勞工的對\n他為了不放棄他的勞保的方式然後但是他又持續從事農業那這個部分是沒有辦法獲得保障的我們也希望說這個部分能夠用什麼樣的機制讓他們也能夠加入農民退休儲金就讓他能夠銜接進來能夠整個來支持能夠變成類似雙軌的概念我覺得這個都是好的方向我們會整體的提出來以後就整體來思考一下因為\n農民跟勞工都是相對上比較辛苦比較那個那如果給予他們多一點支持我想這個大家都是有共識的啦那如何怎麼樣他們有些過去他們思考點在轉軌的過程怎麼去轉得更順一點給他們更多的支持好不好這個請部長再多費心那一定什麼時候可以提出來\n我們的方案大概已經分析的跟研擬的差不多了第一個我們先要跟行政院做報告因為所有的資金會有所以下個會期進到立法院來應該是可以如果說我們的方案獲得行政院同意的話下個會期就會進來\n我們下一個會議進來我們希望下一期進速來完成我們現在第一個第一階段就是要獲得行政院的支持跟同意對 因為行政院會有恆平上的整體的考量對 它又有跟農民勞工跟其他的所有的事情的恆平上的考量它應該會有一致性的思考是好那我們期待下個會議期來進速來通過那再來我先請教一下我看到部長也有在談論到農業金庫這個農業金庫有將近一兆的一個金額那大家也都很擔憂\n部長我們現在能不能完全的掌控好這樣的一個農業金庫的運作我相信農業金庫第一個農業金庫現在的經營我們用專業經理人像現在的董事長就是專業的一個經理人所以我們希望說農業金庫他是\n協助我們農業的各項資金金融的支持還有對於我們的農會的信用部的一些監管的部分我們會更落實那這個這樣的一個過程中我們都希望有更好的措施所以在經營面農業部能不能精準的去掌握住農業經過我知道很多人大概都想要掌握到農業經過中我們現在是\n我們的公股包括我們的獨立董事我們是能夠具有主導權現在主導權幾席我們總共主導權應該有5席的獨董加6席的公股是11席所以15席\n裡面有十一席是可以那個那我還是要請部長還是要那個因為這幾道是整個國家的整體的對農民的權益跟整體我覺得這個事情還是要由政府來主導這個才會讓大家信任但是我們主導過程中我們也會讓農會來參與所以十五席裡面有總共有九席是農漁會的代表\n就是農業會也能夠充分的表達那個意見所以我們希望說在這個政股主導的過程中也能夠讓農會來參與這個提供意見大家都沒有問題我講的是主導權啊因為畢竟它關股的這個還是有相當重要的那現在有很多提到說持股一趴以上就能夠來\n獲得提名權 這個部長支持這樣的方案嗎我們基本上不希望用這樣的方式最主要就是說當你有一趴的時候那相對的因為大概很多農會組成的嘛他就可以提一些董事那你也知道農會有定期的選舉那選舉裡面也有一些分老嘛\n那很容易被有心人做操控那如果說操控成功的話我們的經營權就會轉移到這些農會而且是特定的這些組織裡面去的時候那相對的對國家來講是一個災難因為部長我們一看過太多民間的企業怎麼樣被禿鷹給襲擊然後導致失去了主導權然後導致那個\n這個農業金庫是國家很重要的一個然後我希望這塊還是要部長要緊守住由國家主導這個方向因為國家一定是國家的利益農民的利益為最大那但是如果是各個農會或者地方派系那就不一定了他的思考點就不見得是如此\n我覺得這個部分一定要嚴格的把關好不好 請部長要嚴守住這樣一個底線那再來我請教一下日本最近缺米那台灣的米銷往日本其實是一個很好的機會那今年的一到四月已經有五萬五千多 五千多 對\n對那這樣看這樣比例有可能今年有機會突破到1.5萬噸有機會嗎我們的初步的預估至少可以到1萬噸至少到1萬噸應該是一個低標吧我就看1到4月都已經一半了對就是我們的低標是1萬噸那同時我們也在觀察現在日本有一些所謂的他們的類似我們公糧的廚米有釋出嘛但是不影響我們的輸出啦對不是啦我希望朝\n1.5萬噸的這個還是要更積極一點的目標啦因為我覺得一方面是日本缺米正是我們機會打進日本是我們的好機會那另外一方面是日本跟台灣過去以來長期以來這樣的關係其實是而且我們的米的品質也越好那加上我們的米的量其實是足夠的那如果我們把我們的優質好的米能夠輸入到日本趁這一次機會坦白講一般如果他不缺米你也沒有機會打進去啦\n因為缺米那這時候應該大力的打進去讓台灣的米能夠外銷到日本去那如果形成他們很認可台灣的米也習慣的時候對台灣的稻米也是一個很好的良心我跟委員報告我們不只是說他缺米才打進去我們希望說我們打進去以後是可以持續的\n這一定要留下來這個留下來而且是我們現在跟很多日本大的通路商在合作那通路商走高端的品牌的時候就可以做市場區隔讓我們的稻米持續的外銷我希望是我們很多優質的稻米能夠打進去因為日本的稻米非常的好\n大家很多人還在日本很喜歡吃日本的稻米但是我希望趁這個機會把台灣優質的稻米打進日本市場而且是長遠的但我講的只是說因為是缺米現在才有這個機會如果不缺米我們也不好打但是因為缺米的時候它需求量大的時候反倒我們應該趁這個時候把區隔做出來跟其他國家的區隔做出來然後打進去日本市場那這個對於台灣的稻米市場的會有很大的幫助啦對我們朝這個1.5萬噸來努力\n我覺得一萬噸太低標了這幾乎不用隨什麼理應應該要設定高一點的目標才能夠去達成那一萬噸照現在的努力方向應該也都可以達成好不好謝謝那最後請教一個我們羽洋漁船的收購部分這個沒有問題吧\n這個我想 基本上我們內部都已經處理了 現在在抱怨嘛在抱怨的部分 然後我們也會跟行政院做一個很好的勾勒所以會延長到116年 82艘 總經費達到28億28.49億所以會這樣子啦\n朝這個方向來前進我們引爆院長我們會跟行政院做好那請再跟院長來爭取我也會跟院長來拜託這個對於整個產業的提升競爭力是有幫助的好謝謝現在請邱志偉委員做詢答\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.410 --> 00:08.143\n現在請賴瑞榮委員做詢答好謝謝召委請陳部長陳部長\n\n00:16.599 --> 00:43.679\n我想大家今天提的主要也都希望給農民退休儲金有更好的一些待遇然後也給農民更多的支持大方向上我想大家都是朝這個方向在努力但是我也看到了大概初步的一些規劃上也有考慮到包括農民跟勞工之間的恆平性上的問題其實我也鼓勵未來應該更多都朝向給予他們更多支持的方向就農民勞工其實都是比較辛苦的都應該給予更多支持\n\n00:44.640 --> 01:02.921\n在這樣的狀況下的話,這個部長這邊,那未來會朝向是政府多一點點支持嗎?補貼的方式嗎?多一點?我跟委員報告齁,就是從我們實際上再去了解,就是農民催促儲金農民朋友在考慮的,特別是青農朋友在考慮的,第一個是他們的儲蓄習慣\n\n01:04.282 --> 01:28.336\n那他們第二個是他們的除夕的這些相關的能力啦那能力的部分因為特別在青農的部分他們才剛進入從事農業可能10年以下他們對到65歲還有很長的一段時間他們覺得說不確定性蠻高的所以他們期待的是能夠降低他們的負擔那所以\n\n01:29.076 --> 01:33.868\n委員雖然提的我們也尊重而且我們也會演繹他現在是我舉個例子100對100現在是100對100那未來是100對150嘛\n\n01:38.652 --> 01:58.619\n對於還沒有加入的人就部長的建議反倒是降低現在農民的負擔對這樣的話意願會比較提高對就未來的變化還很多但是降低他們的負擔政府多協助多提撥一點然後農民提撥少一點但是總額其實是沒有改變那這樣對他們實際上的幫助會來更大會朝這個方向對會朝這個方向\n\n02:00.240 --> 02:15.248\n剛好當年在勞工退休金的時候剛好那時候我也在勞委會服務所以剛好我參與到其中我也認為其實是一個很好的制度甚至很多還會自己加碼提撥所以我覺得這個制度面其實是一個好的制度面那我也希望未來如果朝向部長這樣的方向的話\n\n02:16.028 --> 02:36.540\n就是我們在給政府多提一點然後給農民少提一點的話那希望在未來的部分給予讓他們有更多的一些支持一方面他們資金的調度會比較好一點一方面也給予他們更多未來退休生活後的保障我覺得這是一個好的方向啦那也請部長盡快把這個方案提出來好不好會這個議定什麼時候可以提出來\n\n02:37.000 --> 02:48.696\n我想我們大概的方案除了委員的版本我們會去分析以外那我們剛才提的這些概念還有一個非常重要也是委員您也在關心的就是有一些過去曾經是從事勞工的對\n\n02:51.820 --> 03:16.187\n他為了不放棄他的勞保的方式然後但是他又持續從事農業那這個部分是沒有辦法獲得保障的我們也希望說這個部分能夠用什麼樣的機制讓他們也能夠加入農民退休儲金就讓他能夠銜接進來能夠整個來支持能夠變成類似雙軌的概念我覺得這個都是好的方向我們會整體的提出來以後就整體來思考一下因為\n\n03:17.707 --> 03:34.273\n農民跟勞工都是相對上比較辛苦比較那個那如果給予他們多一點支持我想這個大家都是有共識的啦那如何怎麼樣他們有些過去他們思考點在轉軌的過程怎麼去轉得更順一點給他們更多的支持好不好這個請部長再多費心那一定什麼時候可以提出來\n\n03:36.355 --> 03:51.931\n我們的方案大概已經分析的跟研擬的差不多了第一個我們先要跟行政院做報告因為所有的資金會有所以下個會期進到立法院來應該是可以如果說我們的方案獲得行政院同意的話下個會期就會進來\n\n03:53.012 --> 04:21.153\n我們下一個會議進來我們希望下一期進速來完成我們現在第一個第一階段就是要獲得行政院的支持跟同意對因為行政院會有恆平上的整體的考量對它又有跟農民勞工跟其他的所有的事情的恆平上的考量它應該會有一致性的思考是好那我們期待下個會議期來進速來通過那再來我先請教一下我看到部長也有在談論到農業金庫這個農業金庫有將近一兆的一個金額那大家也都很擔憂\n\n04:21.974 --> 04:37.148\n部長我們現在能不能完全的掌控好這樣的一個農業金庫的運作我相信農業金庫第一個農業金庫現在的經營我們用專業經理人像現在的董事長就是專業的一個經理人所以我們希望說農業金庫他是\n\n04:39.069 --> 05:01.418\n協助我們農業的各項資金金融的支持還有對於我們的農會的信用部的一些監管的部分我們會更落實那這個這樣的一個過程中我們都希望有更好的措施所以在經營面農業部能不能精準的去掌握住農業經過我知道很多人大概都想要掌握到農業經過中我們現在是\n\n05:03.442 --> 05:17.321\n我們的公股包括我們的獨立董事我們是能夠具有主導權現在主導權幾席我們總共主導權應該有5席的獨董加6席的公股是11席所以15席\n\n05:18.642 --> 05:37.973\n裡面有十一席是可以那個那我還是要請部長還是要那個因為這幾道是整個國家的整體的對農民的權益跟整體我覺得這個事情還是要由政府來主導這個才會讓大家信任但是我們主導過程中我們也會讓農會來參與所以十五席裡面有總共有九席是農漁會的代表\n\n05:38.733 --> 05:56.019\n就是農業會也能夠充分的表達那個意見所以我們希望說在這個政股主導的過程中也能夠讓農會來參與這個提供意見大家都沒有問題我講的是主導權啊因為畢竟它關股的這個還是有相當重要的那現在有很多提到說持股一趴以上就能夠來\n\n05:57.499 --> 06:14.454\n獲得提名權這個部長支持這樣的方案嗎我們基本上不希望用這樣的方式最主要就是說當你有一趴的時候那相對的因為大概很多農會組成的嘛他就可以提一些董事那你也知道農會有定期的選舉那選舉裡面也有一些分老嘛\n\n06:15.054 --> 06:35.113\n那很容易被有心人做操控那如果說操控成功的話我們的經營權就會轉移到這些農會而且是特定的這些組織裡面去的時候那相對的對國家來講是一個災難因為部長我們一看過太多民間的企業怎麼樣被禿鷹給襲擊然後導致失去了主導權然後導致那個\n\n06:36.634 --> 06:52.960\n這個農業金庫是國家很重要的一個然後我希望這塊還是要部長要緊守住由國家主導這個方向因為國家一定是國家的利益農民的利益為最大那但是如果是各個農會或者地方派系那就不一定了他的思考點就不見得是如此\n\n06:53.220 --> 07:08.666\n我覺得這個部分一定要嚴格的把關好不好請部長要嚴守住這樣一個底線那再來我請教一下日本最近缺米那台灣的米銷往日本其實是一個很好的機會那今年的一到四月已經有五萬五千多五千多對\n\n07:09.706 --> 07:33.351\n對那這樣看這樣比例有可能今年有機會突破到1.5萬噸有機會嗎我們的初步的預估至少可以到1萬噸至少到1萬噸應該是一個低標吧我就看1到4月都已經一半了對就是我們的低標是1萬噸那同時我們也在觀察現在日本有一些所謂的他們的類似我們公糧的廚米有釋出嘛但是不影響我們的輸出啦對不是啦我希望朝\n\n07:35.752 --> 07:57.580\n1.5萬噸的這個還是要更積極一點的目標啦因為我覺得一方面是日本缺米正是我們機會打進日本是我們的好機會那另外一方面是日本跟台灣過去以來長期以來這樣的關係其實是而且我們的米的品質也越好那加上我們的米的量其實是足夠的那如果我們把我們的優質好的米能夠輸入到日本趁這一次機會坦白講一般如果他不缺米你也沒有機會打進去啦\n\n07:58.080 --> 08:13.169\n因為缺米那這時候應該大力的打進去讓台灣的米能夠外銷到日本去那如果形成他們很認可台灣的米也習慣的時候對台灣的稻米也是一個很好的良心我跟委員報告我們不只是說他缺米才打進去我們希望說我們打進去以後是可以持續的\n\n08:13.869 --> 08:29.700\n這一定要留下來這個留下來而且是我們現在跟很多日本大的通路商在合作那通路商走高端的品牌的時候就可以做市場區隔讓我們的稻米持續的外銷我希望是我們很多優質的稻米能夠打進去因為日本的稻米非常的好\n\n08:30.140 --> 08:53.777\n大家很多人還在日本很喜歡吃日本的稻米但是我希望趁這個機會把台灣優質的稻米打進日本市場而且是長遠的但我講的只是說因為是缺米現在才有這個機會如果不缺米我們也不好打但是因為缺米的時候它需求量大的時候反倒我們應該趁這個時候把區隔做出來跟其他國家的區隔做出來然後打進去日本市場那這個對於台灣的稻米市場的會有很大的幫助啦對我們朝這個1.5萬噸來努力\n\n08:54.878 --> 09:10.033\n我覺得一萬噸太低標了這幾乎不用隨什麼理應應該要設定高一點的目標才能夠去達成那一萬噸照現在的努力方向應該也都可以達成好不好謝謝那最後請教一個我們羽洋漁船的收購部分這個沒有問題吧\n\n09:10.974 --> 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它又有跟農民勞工跟其他的所有的事情的恆平上的考量它應該會有一致性的思考是好那我們期待下個會議期來進速來通過那再來我先請教一下我看到部長也有在談論到農業金庫這個農業金庫有將近一兆的一個金額那大家也都很擔憂"},{"start":261.974,"end":277.148,"text":"部長我們現在能不能完全的掌控好這樣的一個農業金庫的運作我相信農業金庫第一個農業金庫現在的經營我們用專業經理人像現在的董事長就是專業的一個經理人所以我們希望說農業金庫他是"},{"start":279.069,"end":301.418,"text":"協助我們農業的各項資金金融的支持還有對於我們的農會的信用部的一些監管的部分我們會更落實那這個這樣的一個過程中我們都希望有更好的措施所以在經營面農業部能不能精準的去掌握住農業經過我知道很多人大概都想要掌握到農業經過中我們現在是"},{"start":303.442,"end":317.321,"text":"我們的公股包括我們的獨立董事我們是能夠具有主導權現在主導權幾席我們總共主導權應該有5席的獨董加6席的公股是11席所以15席"},{"start":318.642,"end":337.973,"text":"裡面有十一席是可以那個那我還是要請部長還是要那個因為這幾道是整個國家的整體的對農民的權益跟整體我覺得這個事情還是要由政府來主導這個才會讓大家信任但是我們主導過程中我們也會讓農會來參與所以十五席裡面有總共有九席是農漁會的代表"},{"start":338.733,"end":356.019,"text":"就是農業會也能夠充分的表達那個意見所以我們希望說在這個政股主導的過程中也能夠讓農會來參與這個提供意見大家都沒有問題我講的是主導權啊因為畢竟它關股的這個還是有相當重要的那現在有很多提到說持股一趴以上就能夠來"},{"start":357.499,"end":374.454,"text":"獲得提名權 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