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00:02:55,292\n是我們現在的教育部的一個立場也是希望越快越好因為某種程度這個調查期間對夜市它相當程度它也是它事實上也是相當我想這個還是回到學生啦從學生的角度還有大家現在關切的就是說這件事情到底有沒有影響到學生的部分所以我們還是回到就是說為什麼他希望我希望他可以盡快出來因為我們還是要保障的是這個學生是\n\n8\n00:02:56,012 --> 00:03:16,629\n是这个学生所以重点我们应该是放在这个学生身上所以我想知道我们现在有没有一个规划就是希望什么时候会有一个调查结果呢因为在性评法的规定大概是两个月要完成必要时刻延长两次每次不得预一个月但我知道今天这个情况可能不一定适用所以我想要知道你们现在有没有抓了一个时间点希望什么时候可以得到这个结果\n\n9\n00:03:16,789 --> 00:03:40,382\n基本上就是陳委員所講因為涉及到政務官我們希望這個能夠在這個公平公正的一個不受干擾的情況下他能夠在一個月裡面能夠有這一個完整的一個調查報告出來好了解那我也想再請問一下就是說到底現在這個學生我們台大有沒有提供給他這些相關的心理輔導的資源呢\n\n10\n00:03:43,171 --> 00:04:09,611\n因為根據性平法我們應該是要提供的這個學生基本上是長期受到那個輔導中心在協助的對象因為他本身就有一些所以在這次的事件之後我想我們是有在多給嗎還有在多給是不是是有在多給一些支持是的持續上在他們的輔導心理師都有在持續提供心理智商的服務\n\n11\n00:04:10,270 --> 00:04:28,255\nOK好那我也想要了解就是說因為在這一次我們可以看見就是說整個教育部我認為是性平意識不足所以我想請教我們現在到底對我們不理人員有沒有進行一個常態的性平的教育訓練呢\n\n12\n00:04:31,138 --> 00:04:40,470\n我想謝謝委員提醒確實我們在這個整個案件裡邊我們也在深切的檢討我們整個行政的一個過程裡邊到底\n\n13\n00:04:42,793 --> 00:05:04,309\n的疏漏在哪裡也希望能夠導正能夠強化這個整個機制希望這個事件不會再發生我想這是屬於我們內部那當然包含性平的一個意思或者課程或者我們教育部過去是一個主要的主管機關但是我們如果同仁在這個部分是不足的我們怎麼樣去增能我想這個確實是我們要努力的\n\n14\n00:05:08,112 --> 00:05:23,144\n好我想我剛剛的問題就是說在現在我們到底有沒有定期做這件事情在教育部裡面因為我們會有要求學校老師要定期的去回去嘛那我們自己到底對部裡的人員有沒有做這些要求呢有我們人事單位每年都固定辦理這個\n\n15\n00:05:24,245 --> 00:05:45,117\n員工的培訓尤其在最近的這個性評法性攻法性殺法修正之後有很多新的規定以及當中的一個法的差異其實做了蠻多詳細的說明而且邀請的講師都是我們性評會裡頭非常有經驗的學術專家那我們有沒有一些相關的評估機制呢看這個成效呢應該我們都有填那個回饋的問卷\n\n16\n00:05:49,332 --> 00:06:09,971\n好那我們看一下回饋的問卷好不好提供給我一下回饋問卷還有這個結果好不好再來大概一個禮拜一之內應該可以提供吧好我們請我們的人事處來協助謝謝好那我想問因為剛剛是講說我們定期有做這件事情嗎但是這件事情就顯示是不足的應該要再增能對不對所以這個增能的部分我們有相關的計畫\n\n17\n00:06:11,769 --> 00:06:13,370\n我們會整體來看我們要怎麼樣哪一個地方是疏漏我們就先從那一個地方來補強\n\n18\n00:06:43,130 --> 00:07:05,013\n有有確定有有嗎好喔那我想問一下那目前就是因為承辦有洩漏個資的這個問題嘛那我們現在看到承辦好像現在已經有被懲處嘛對不對但是我想問一下那請問一下司長學特司司長吳林輝是否也應該對這件事情負起一些監督不足的責任呢因為好像我現在沒有看到您的部分這樣子\n\n19\n00:07:05,533 --> 00:07:25,453\n跟委員報告事實上吳市長他也自行處分也有處分是不是好喔那我想因為其實學特斯最重要啦因為他就是姓平事件最重要的教育管理機關可是這次的事件我覺得會打擊我們基層很大的信心所以我們必須要採取更積極的作為好那接下來還有就是說\n\n20\n00:07:27,524 --> 00:07:41,952\n我認為因為這一次的個資保護的洩漏事件除了我們懲處之外我們在目前應該要再加強我們個資保護的制度是不是有更嚴謹的一個資料管理流程或者是加強的資安保護個資保護的一個訓練好這個部分是\n\n21\n00:07:45,054 --> 00:08:13,136\n我的第二個訴求那第三個部分呢我覺得在這次的事件上面我覺得教育部也應該要這樣建立相對應的一個問責機制來確保未來我們可以更謹慎的來處理性平與各自的相關事務那關於這三點我們是否可以提出相關的精進計畫或檢討報告因為我認為不是只有對立法委員要交代清楚最重要是我們要對社會而且我們也要讓學生很清楚的知道我們是如何的應對這件事情\n\n22\n00:08:15,037 --> 00:08:33,646\n讓未來這樣子的事情不要再發生這個部分部長可以承諾我嗎謝謝委員提醒確實我們也因為針對這一個案這個事件我們內部已經在內控內機的這一個部分做了一些調整流程過去可能當事人本應這個分層負責他就直接回應這一個等於說那一個頭人陳情人\n\n23\n00:08:38,849 --> 00:09:01,996\n那我們現在就是說他的程序裡面加一個就是科長他一定要整個看過檢視然後這個我們才可以出去譬如說我們加強了這個內控內積的這樣的一個程序希望能夠遵循我們性平法所有的規定而不要讓所有的關心這個性平工作或者直接的特別在這個受傷害的人這個\n\n24\n00:09:03,656 --> 00:09:24,276\n第二次再受傷害這次的再受傷害所以是相關的檢討報告還有剛剛有提到就是說我們在各自的保護上面多加一個層級那這些是不是也都可以提供給大概什麼時候可以提供給我們辦公室呢大概什麼時候我想我們會後就提供檢討報告嗎我是說全部的整個機制的檢討報告會後就可以提供\n\n25\n00:09:24,930 --> 00:09:52,123\n因為先前已經有內部做一個檢討而且也強化了相關人員的培訓好那就是這個會後提供給我那我最後一件事情我想請教於台大這件事情其實我們一直不停的要關心最關鍵的問題其實還是在台大那我知道部長其實也都已經發了公文一直不停的在跟台大做溝通但是顯然台大還是認為他的處置沒有問題那接下來我們到底該怎麼辦呢\n\n26\n00:09:57,236 --> 00:10:16,374\n各位報告我們性評會已經成立了一個專案的小組會協助我們從監察院的糾正文從這個法院的起訴書重新檢視學校處理流程有沒有缺漏如果當中有涉及到重大違失的部分我們會去評估是不是需要做重啟調查那個專案小組會再處理\n\n27\n00:10:17,735 --> 00:10:32,487\n所以專業報告現在已經成立了那我們什麼時候可以有下一波的進度呢我想我們應該會努力在一個月內把整個審視的過程對布里頭後續如何督導學校來改善會提出一個完整的評估的建議\n\n28\n00:10:32,987 --> 00:10:52,613\n所以一個月這個外部的調查小組就會提供我們這樣子的一個結果然後如果他們認為裡面有輸入我們就會重啟調查對不對是會由部的性評會來調查還是由台大跟我們報告目前這一個是性評會部的性評會做成的一個決議\n\n29\n00:10:53,573 --> 00:11:04,446\n第一個決議就是這樣所以我們因為整個審視那當然如果沒有我們這一個如果台大有疏漏我們當然要一定要重啟調查這是無庸置疑的對對對我是說到底是誰會來重啟這個調查\n\n30\n00:11:07,782 --> 00:11:24,743\n我們目前我們是教育部裡邊的這個性評會裡邊組成這個調查小組我是說這個調查小組是現在來看流程有沒有缺失嘛對不對看完缺失就覺得有問題之後就要重啟調查嘛那是誰會來重啟這個調查呢如果有疏漏的話\n\n31\n00:11:26,121 --> 00:11:47,472\n跟委員報告依照性評法這一個還是學校性評會的權責當然如果將來真的需要重啟調查我們會對於調查小組的成員提供建議希望它另組而不是原來的因為我為什麼要確認這一點就是我怕到時候的結果如果我們沒有我們因為其實我想市長也非常清楚民間一直在講我們很多的性評準\n\n32\n00:11:49,214 --> 00:12:03,370\n性平的這個調查資料庫裡面其實很多人都不斷有更新性的性平意識所以這件事情會非常非常的重要好那這件事情我也會持續的追下去好那再來就是還是回到一下行動仔\n\n33\n00:12:03,690 --> 00:12:27,149\n這件事情那這也是最近很多學生包含我之前也有幫我們的學生來跟教育部開一個協調會那學生其實非常強調一個重點那我也想問一下教育部對於這件事情的看法就是說他們是希望可以建立一個比照服役委員會的規範建立一個諮詢委員會來確保他們的聲音可以被聽見\n\n34\n00:12:28,730 --> 00:12:41,338\n那這個其實已經婦醫委員會其實已經行駛多年了啦那這個學生其實也蠻習慣那當天是說會帶回去討論那我不曉得說現在已經一個多禮拜了我們有沒有沒有討論那是不是也可以來簡單說明一下\n\n35\n00:12:44,019 --> 00:13:07,033\n跟我們報告我們確實在因為這個草案目前在預告嘛所以我們6月1號還有一個實體跟線上我們也希望能夠廣收這個廣聽這個高中時學生他們的一些意見那會後我們會把委員的意見裡面一併都納入這個我們草案裡面看怎麼樣去做一些必要的一些調查\n\n36\n00:13:07,193 --> 00:13:28,716\n我想問一下,因為其實學生,不管是之前我跟部長在提這件事情,或是當天我們開協調會,或是今天早上學生開記者會,其實都蠻在乎的,就是他們的聲音會不會被聽見嘛,在學校裡面,不是只有這一次教育部的這個會議,是學校裡面,所以他們非常希望可以以服醫委員會的方式來進行,那這個部的態度到底是什麼呢?\n\n37\n00:13:31,263 --> 00:13:50,949\n因為這個我覺得是學生非常非常堅持的一個部分是誰要來跟委員說明那因為我們這次收集的是參採各方意見如果在後面如果學生的整個意見這個方面是非常強烈那我們就會慎重考慮把它做這樣子版本的一個做調整\n\n38\n00:13:51,980 --> 00:14:09,803\n所以你的意思我可以解讀為是你們是有意願接受的對嗎其實跟委員說明一下我們目前其實是參採因為這個是一個社會溝通的過程所以我們必須參採各方的意見之後我們去做這樣子的我懂我的意思\n\n39\n00:14:09,923 --> 00:14:29,314\n對我的意思是說因為其實我們都可以聽到學生非常在乎這一帕嘛這件事情嘛那當然在很多就是說到底要不要收手機這裡面還有很多的爭議但是在這個他們希望在學校裡面他們可以用這種方式來進行我覺得我想那這樣子我這樣問好了如果我們最後在6月1號開完會學生都極力要求這一個所以教育部就會支持嗎\n\n40\n00:14:31,096 --> 00:14:49,872\n登委員報告那我們會跟現場執行面在做一些協商之後會想辦法把這樣子的一個訴求納入原則內好了解謝謝謝謝謝謝司長那我最後快快問再耽誤一點點時間我本來其實很想問學生輔導法但我今天可能時間不太夠但我先問體育署\n\n41\n00:14:59,633 --> 00:15:25,911\n好體育署我想不管我們過去一直不停的在講就是如何的展現體育署會監督我們的單項協會那這個上個月三月的時候呢全這個金週刊呢其實也專題報導民間對於體育署讓體育改革後的國體法修法其實都還是有很大的疑慮就是特別針對於單項協會這件事情因為過去我們看一看到冰球協會有暗抗補助款\n\n42\n00:15:27,092 --> 00:15:44,290\n或是足协有福报过高的转播费甚至去年我处理的极箭事件极箭协会等等的事件其实我都知道体育署有进行调查那我们也提出了组决议希望他可以公告但是呢体育署给我的回复呢还是说会把这个惩处放在反评报告当中\n\n43\n00:15:45,131 --> 00:15:59,019\n他還是不是放在一個公告的地方讓民眾知道體育署的確是有在監督的那我想問一下這一件事情我們還是希望可以放到公告的地方到底可不可以呢\n\n44\n00:15:59,795 --> 00:16:24,111\n包委員這部分我想因為它本身如果公告的話算是一個行政法所以這樣子的部分必須要有法源的依據那我是建議啦委員我們會後我們是不是來努力看看我們針對整個要如果要在國體法去修法要做公佈這件事情我們從它的適宜性原則比例整個最小侵害性還有它整個的是不是達到它的目的公義性等等我們做評估我們來評估看看說未來我們來做這個修法\n\n45\n00:16:26,633 --> 00:16:46,767\n因為沒有這個修法我們的確沒有辦法直接公佈在網站上所以這件事情是你們要再跟你們自己的法務單位還是要跟法務部這邊也要再討論嗎目前我們知道是一定要修法其實說要不要這個修法的過程要去做評估這件事情接下來我會來跟委員這邊再做討論我們事實的如果真的有必要我們就來做啟動\n\n46\n00:16:47,895 --> 00:16:59,378\n好那這個我們就盡快約好不好因為這件事情我覺得如果接下來我們九月就要掛牌了那這個是一直以來長期民間關心非常重要的議題好謝謝謝謝張雅玲委員的質詢官員請回座我們接下來請伍麗華委員質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n229\t26285\t還是要針對這個台大性平事件來請教部長因為我想部長應該非常清楚我非常關心這個議題然後從一開始其實就一直我不停的在關切這件事情那這次之所以引發這麼多的爭議我認為教育部處理的速度太慢了那我也認為教育部作為一個最高的性平主管機關應該要樹立這個典範所以我認為我們還有精進的空間不曉得我這樣子說部長您認同嗎\n27932\t54214\t我想我同意委員的一個說法確實教育部在這裡邊怎麼樣責成台大有更積極的一些作為在對學生權益的維護包含事後對受傷害的這些學生的一個更多的一些心理或者這些輔導上的一些支持力量我想\n55815\t84964\t確實台大是可以有精進的空間好我想不只是教育不只是台大包含是教育部的部分都還有精進的空間所以我想接下來我就來跟在這件事情上面我覺得我們有一些要來檢討的地方但目前我們知道就是葉刺現在已經請假了準備要調查所以我想要知道性評會已經正式立案調查那可不可以簡單說明一下目前的一個調查進度我們什麼時候可以有一個調查結果\n87114\t102493\t跟委員報告因為這個性評會確實在上個禮拜五已經召開然後也業次這個應該接受這個也組成專案應該調查所以業次在星期二星期一的一個會議決議\n104355\t118914\t然後這個會議的結果也讓信評的委員都看過了等於說確定會議的一個記錄所以現在的一個調查小組也正式在明天會議\n120515\t147731\t下禮拜一就會召開第一次的會議然後來進行調查所以在這個調查期間我們希望這一個為了沒問題我想了解一下我知道部長剛剛說什麼但是我想要知道我想現在我們還是回到現實上面我們可以處理的事情就是說現在下禮拜一會有調查小組那有沒有什麼時間預估會完成調查結果呢因為我希望這個結果是可以越快越好啦\n149403\t175292\t是我們現在的教育部的一個立場也是希望越快越好因為某種程度這個調查期間對夜市它相當程度它也是它事實上也是相當我想這個還是回到學生啦從學生的角度還有大家現在關切的就是說這件事情到底有沒有影響到學生的部分所以我們還是回到就是說為什麼他希望我希望他可以盡快出來因為我們還是要保障的是這個學生是\n176012\t196629\t是这个学生所以重点我们应该是放在这个学生身上所以我想知道我们现在有没有一个规划就是希望什么时候会有一个调查结果呢因为在性评法的规定大概是两个月要完成必要时刻延长两次每次不得预一个月但我知道今天这个情况可能不一定适用所以我想要知道你们现在有没有抓了一个时间点希望什么时候可以得到这个结果\n196789\t220382\t基本上就是陳委員所講因為涉及到政務官我們希望這個能夠在這個公平公正的一個不受干擾的情況下他能夠在一個月裡面能夠有這一個完整的一個調查報告出來好 了解 那我也想再請問一下就是說到底現在這個學生我們台大有沒有提供給他這些相關的心理輔導的資源呢\n223171\t249611\t因為根據性平法我們應該是要提供的這個學生基本上是長期受到那個輔導中心在協助的對象因為他本身就有一些所以在這次的事件之後我想我們是有在多給嗎還有在多給是不是是有在多給一些支持是的持續上在他們的輔導心理師都有在持續提供心理智商的服務\n250270\t268255\tOK 好 那我也想要了解就是說因為在這一次我們可以看見就是說整個教育部我認為是性平意識不足所以我想請教我們現在到底對我們不理人員有沒有進行一個常態的性平的教育訓練呢\n271138\t280470\t我想謝謝委員提醒確實我們在這個整個案件裡邊我們也在深切的檢討我們整個行政的一個過程裡邊到底\n282793\t304309\t的疏漏在哪裡也希望能夠導正能夠強化這個整個機制希望這個事件不會再發生我想這是屬於我們內部那當然包含性平的一個意思或者課程或者我們教育部過去是一個主要的主管機關但是我們如果同仁在這個部分是不足的我們怎麼樣去增能我想這個確實是我們要努力的\n308112\t323144\t好 我想 我剛剛的問題就是說在現在我們到底有沒有定期做這件事情在教育部裡面因為我們會有要求學校老師要定期的去回去嘛那我們自己到底對部裡的人員有沒有做這些要求呢有 我們人事單位每年都固定辦理這個\n324245\t345117\t員工的培訓 尤其在最近的這個性評法 性攻法 性殺法修正之後 有很多新的規定以及當中的一個法的差異其實做了蠻多詳細的說明而且邀請的講師都是我們性評會裡頭非常有經驗的學術專家那我們有沒有一些相關的評估機制呢 看這個成效呢應該 我們都有填那個回饋的問卷\n349332\t369971\t好那我們看一下回饋的問卷好不好提供給我一下回饋問卷還有這個結果好不好再來大概一個禮拜一之內應該可以提供吧好我們請我們的人事處來協助謝謝好那我想問因為剛剛是講說我們定期有做這件事情嗎但是這件事情就顯示是不足的應該要再增能對不對所以這個增能的部分我們有相關的計畫\n371769\t373370\t我們會整體來看我們要怎麼樣哪一個地方是疏漏我們就先從那一個地方來補強\n403130\t425013\t有 有 確定有有嗎 好喔那我想問一下 那目前就是因為承辦有洩漏個資的這個問題嘛那我們現在看到承辦好像現在已經有被懲處嘛 對不對但是我想問一下 那請問一下司長 學特司司長吳林輝是否也應該對這件事情負起一些監督不足的責任呢因為好像我現在沒有看到您的部分這樣子\n425533\t445453\t跟委員報告事實上吳市長他也自行處分也有處分是不是好喔那我想因為其實學特斯最重要啦因為他就是姓平事件最重要的教育管理機關可是這次的事件我覺得會打擊我們基層很大的信心所以我們必須要採取更積極的作為好那接下來還有就是說\n447524\t461952\t我認為因為這一次的個資保護的洩漏事件除了我們懲處之外我們在目前應該要再加強我們個資保護的制度是不是有更嚴謹的一個資料管理流程或者是加強的資安保護個資保護的一個訓練好這個部分是\n465054\t493136\t我的第二個訴求那第三個部分呢我覺得在這次的事件上面我覺得教育部也應該要這樣建立相對應的一個問責機制來確保未來我們可以更謹慎的來處理性平與各自的相關事務那關於這三點我們是否可以提出相關的精進計畫或檢討報告因為我認為不是只有對立法委員要交代清楚最重要是我們要對社會而且我們也要讓學生很清楚的知道我們是如何的應對這件事情\n495037\t513646\t讓未來這樣子的事情不要再發生這個部分部長可以承諾我嗎謝謝委員提醒確實我們也因為針對這一個案這個事件我們內部已經在內控內機的這一個部分做了一些調整流程過去可能當事人本應這個分層負責他就直接回應這一個等於說那一個頭人陳情人\n518849\t541996\t那我們現在就是說他的程序裡面加一個就是科長他一定要整個看過檢視然後這個我們才可以出去譬如說我們加強了這個內控內積的這樣的一個程序希望能夠遵循我們性平法所有的規定而不要讓所有的關心這個性平工作或者直接的特別在這個受傷害的人這個\n543656\t564276\t第二次再受傷害這次的再受傷害所以是相關的檢討報告還有剛剛有提到就是說我們在各自的保護上面多加一個層級那這些是不是也都可以提供給大概什麼時候可以提供給我們辦公室呢大概什麼時候我想我們會後就提供檢討報告嗎我是說全部的整個機制的檢討報告會後就可以提供\n564930\t592123\t因為先前已經有內部做一個檢討而且也強化了相關人員的培訓好 那就是這個會後提供給我那我最後一件事情我想請教於台大這件事情其實我們一直不停的要關心最關鍵的問題其實還是在台大那我知道部長其實也都已經發了公文一直不停的在跟台大做溝通但是顯然台大還是認為他的處置沒有問題那接下來我們到底該怎麼辦呢\n597236\t616374\t各位報告我們性評會已經成立了一個專案的小組會協助我們從監察院的糾正文從這個法院的起訴書重新檢視學校處理流程有沒有缺漏如果當中有涉及到重大違失的部分我們會去評估是不是需要做重啟調查那個專案小組會再處理\n617735\t632487\t所以專業報告現在已經成立了那我們什麼時候可以有下一波的進度呢我想我們應該會努力在一個月內把整個審視的過程對布里頭後續如何督導學校來改善會提出一個完整的評估的建議\n632987\t652613\t所以一個月這個外部的調查小組就會提供我們這樣子的一個結果然後如果他們認為裡面有輸入我們就會重啟調查對不對是會由部的性評會來調查還是由台大跟我們報告目前這一個是性評會部的性評會做成的一個決議\n653573\t664446\t第一個決議就是這樣所以我們因為整個審視那當然如果沒有我們這一個如果台大有疏漏我們當然要一定要重啟調查這是無庸置疑的對對對我是說到底是誰會來重啟這個調查\n667782\t684743\t我們目前我們是教育部裡邊的這個性評會裡邊組成這個調查小組我是說這個調查小組是現在來看流程有沒有缺失嘛對不對看完缺失就覺得有問題之後就要重啟調查嘛那是誰會來重啟這個調查呢如果有疏漏的話\n686121\t707472\t跟委員報告 依照性評法這一個還是學校性評會的權責當然如果將來真的需要重啟調查我們會對於調查小組的成員提供建議希望它另組而不是原來的因為我為什麼要確認這一點就是我怕到時候的結果如果我們沒有我們因為其實我想市長也非常清楚民間一直在講我們很多的性評準\n709214\t723370\t性平的這個調查資料庫裡面其實很多人都不斷有更新性的性平意識所以這件事情會非常非常的重要好 那這件事情我也會持續的追下去好 那再來就是還是回到一下行動仔\n723690\t747149\t這件事情那這也是最近很多學生包含我之前也有幫我們的學生來跟教育部開一個協調會那學生其實非常強調一個重點那我也想問一下教育部對於這件事情的看法就是說他們是希望可以建立一個比照服役委員會的規範建立一個諮詢委員會來確保他們的聲音可以被聽見\n748730\t761338\t那這個其實已經 婦醫委員會其實已經行駛多年了啦那這個學生其實也蠻習慣那當天是說會帶回去討論那我不曉得說現在已經一個多禮拜了我們有沒有沒有討論那是不是也可以來簡單說明一下\n764019\t787033\t跟我們報告我們確實在因為這個草案目前在預告嘛所以我們6月1號還有一個實體跟線上我們也希望能夠廣收這個廣聽這個高中時學生他們的一些意見那會後我們會把委員的意見裡面一併都納入這個我們草案裡面看怎麼樣去做一些必要的一些調查\n787193\t808716\t我想問一下,因為其實學生,不管是之前我跟部長在提這件事情,或是當天我們開協調會,或是今天早上學生開記者會,其實都蠻在乎的,就是他們的聲音會不會被聽見嘛,在學校裡面,不是只有這一次教育部的這個會議,是學校裡面,所以他們非常希望可以以服醫委員會的方式來進行,那這個部的態度到底是什麼呢?\n811263\t830949\t因為這個我覺得是學生非常非常堅持的一個部分是誰要來跟委員說明那因為我們這次收集的是參採各方意見如果在後面如果學生的整個意見這個方面是非常強烈那我們就會慎重考慮把它做這樣子版本的一個做調整\n831980\t849803\t所以你的意思我可以解讀為是你們是有意願接受的對嗎其實跟委員說明一下我們目前其實是參採因為這個是一個社會溝通的過程所以我們必須參採各方的意見之後我們去做這樣子的我懂我的意思\n849923\t869314\t對我的意思是說因為其實我們都可以聽到學生非常在乎這一帕嘛這件事情嘛那當然在很多就是說到底要不要收手機這裡面還有很多的爭議但是在這個他們希望在學校裡面他們可以用這種方式來進行我覺得我想那這樣子我這樣問好了如果我們最後在6月1號開完會學生都極力要求這一個所以教育部就會支持嗎\n871096\t889872\t登委員報告那我們會跟現場執行面在做一些協商之後會想辦法把這樣子的一個訴求納入原則內好 了解 謝謝謝謝 謝謝司長那我最後快快問再耽誤一點點時間我本來其實很想問學生輔導法但我今天可能時間不太夠但我先問體育署\n899633\t925911\t好 體育署我想不管我們過去一直不停的在講就是如何的展現體育署會監督我們的單項協會那這個上個月 三月的時候呢全這個 金週刊呢其實也專題報導民間對於體育署讓體育改革後的國體法修法其實都還是有很大的疑慮就是特別針對於單項協會這件事情因為過去我們看一看到冰球協會有暗抗補助款\n927092\t944290\t或是足协有福报过高的转播费甚至去年我处理的极箭事件极箭协会等等的事件其实我都知道体育署有进行调查那我们也提出了组决议希望他可以公告但是呢体育署给我的回复呢还是说会把这个惩处放在反评报告当中\n945131\t959019\t他還是不是放在一個公告的地方讓民眾知道體育署的確是有在監督的那我想問一下這一件事情我們還是希望可以放到公告的地方到底可不可以呢\n959795\t984111\t包委員這部分我想因為它本身如果公告的話算是一個行政法所以這樣子的部分必須要有法源的依據那我是建議啦委員我們會後我們是不是來努力看看我們針對整個要如果要在國體法去修法要做公佈這件事情我們從它的適宜性原則比例整個最小侵害性還有它整個的是不是達到它的目的公義性等等我們做評估我們來評估看看說未來我們來做這個修法\n986633\t1006767\t因為沒有這個修法我們的確沒有辦法直接公佈在網站上所以這件事情是你們要再跟你們自己的法務單位還是要跟法務部這邊也要再討論嗎目前我們知道是一定要修法其實說要不要這個修法的過程要去做評估這件事情接下來我會來跟委員這邊再做討論我們事實的如果真的有必要我們就來做啟動\n1007895\t1019378\t好 那這個我們就盡快約好不好因為這件事情我覺得如果接下來我們九月就要掛牌了那這個是一直以來長期民間關心非常重要的議題好 謝謝謝謝張雅玲委員的質詢 官員請回座我們接下來請伍麗華委員質詢\n","txt":"還是要針對這個台大性平事件來請教部長因為我想部長應該非常清楚我非常關心這個議題然後從一開始其實就一直我不停的在關切這件事情那這次之所以引發這麼多的爭議我認為教育部處理的速度太慢了那我也認為教育部作為一個最高的性平主管機關應該要樹立這個典範所以我認為我們還有精進的空間不曉得我這樣子說部長您認同嗎\n我想我同意委員的一個說法確實教育部在這裡邊怎麼樣責成台大有更積極的一些作為在對學生權益的維護包含事後對受傷害的這些學生的一個更多的一些心理或者這些輔導上的一些支持力量我想\n確實台大是可以有精進的空間好我想不只是教育不只是台大包含是教育部的部分都還有精進的空間所以我想接下來我就來跟在這件事情上面我覺得我們有一些要來檢討的地方但目前我們知道就是葉刺現在已經請假了準備要調查所以我想要知道性評會已經正式立案調查那可不可以簡單說明一下目前的一個調查進度我們什麼時候可以有一個調查結果\n跟委員報告因為這個性評會確實在上個禮拜五已經召開然後也業次這個應該接受這個也組成專案應該調查所以業次在星期二星期一的一個會議決議\n然後這個會議的結果也讓信評的委員都看過了等於說確定會議的一個記錄所以現在的一個調查小組也正式在明天會議\n下禮拜一就會召開第一次的會議然後來進行調查所以在這個調查期間我們希望這一個為了沒問題我想了解一下我知道部長剛剛說什麼但是我想要知道我想現在我們還是回到現實上面我們可以處理的事情就是說現在下禮拜一會有調查小組那有沒有什麼時間預估會完成調查結果呢因為我希望這個結果是可以越快越好啦\n是我們現在的教育部的一個立場也是希望越快越好因為某種程度這個調查期間對夜市它相當程度它也是它事實上也是相當我想這個還是回到學生啦從學生的角度還有大家現在關切的就是說這件事情到底有沒有影響到學生的部分所以我們還是回到就是說為什麼他希望我希望他可以盡快出來因為我們還是要保障的是這個學生是\n是这个学生所以重点我们应该是放在这个学生身上所以我想知道我们现在有没有一个规划就是希望什么时候会有一个调查结果呢因为在性评法的规定大概是两个月要完成必要时刻延长两次每次不得预一个月但我知道今天这个情况可能不一定适用所以我想要知道你们现在有没有抓了一个时间点希望什么时候可以得到这个结果\n基本上就是陳委員所講因為涉及到政務官我們希望這個能夠在這個公平公正的一個不受干擾的情況下他能夠在一個月裡面能夠有這一個完整的一個調查報告出來好 了解 那我也想再請問一下就是說到底現在這個學生我們台大有沒有提供給他這些相關的心理輔導的資源呢\n因為根據性平法我們應該是要提供的這個學生基本上是長期受到那個輔導中心在協助的對象因為他本身就有一些所以在這次的事件之後我想我們是有在多給嗎還有在多給是不是是有在多給一些支持是的持續上在他們的輔導心理師都有在持續提供心理智商的服務\nOK 好 那我也想要了解就是說因為在這一次我們可以看見就是說整個教育部我認為是性平意識不足所以我想請教我們現在到底對我們不理人員有沒有進行一個常態的性平的教育訓練呢\n我想謝謝委員提醒確實我們在這個整個案件裡邊我們也在深切的檢討我們整個行政的一個過程裡邊到底\n的疏漏在哪裡也希望能夠導正能夠強化這個整個機制希望這個事件不會再發生我想這是屬於我們內部那當然包含性平的一個意思或者課程或者我們教育部過去是一個主要的主管機關但是我們如果同仁在這個部分是不足的我們怎麼樣去增能我想這個確實是我們要努力的\n好 我想 我剛剛的問題就是說在現在我們到底有沒有定期做這件事情在教育部裡面因為我們會有要求學校老師要定期的去回去嘛那我們自己到底對部裡的人員有沒有做這些要求呢有 我們人事單位每年都固定辦理這個\n員工的培訓 尤其在最近的這個性評法 性攻法 性殺法修正之後 有很多新的規定以及當中的一個法的差異其實做了蠻多詳細的說明而且邀請的講師都是我們性評會裡頭非常有經驗的學術專家那我們有沒有一些相關的評估機制呢 看這個成效呢應該 我們都有填那個回饋的問卷\n好那我們看一下回饋的問卷好不好提供給我一下回饋問卷還有這個結果好不好再來大概一個禮拜一之內應該可以提供吧好我們請我們的人事處來協助謝謝好那我想問因為剛剛是講說我們定期有做這件事情嗎但是這件事情就顯示是不足的應該要再增能對不對所以這個增能的部分我們有相關的計畫\n我們會整體來看我們要怎麼樣哪一個地方是疏漏我們就先從那一個地方來補強\n有 有 確定有有嗎 好喔那我想問一下 那目前就是因為承辦有洩漏個資的這個問題嘛那我們現在看到承辦好像現在已經有被懲處嘛 對不對但是我想問一下 那請問一下司長 學特司司長吳林輝是否也應該對這件事情負起一些監督不足的責任呢因為好像我現在沒有看到您的部分這樣子\n跟委員報告事實上吳市長他也自行處分也有處分是不是好喔那我想因為其實學特斯最重要啦因為他就是姓平事件最重要的教育管理機關可是這次的事件我覺得會打擊我們基層很大的信心所以我們必須要採取更積極的作為好那接下來還有就是說\n我認為因為這一次的個資保護的洩漏事件除了我們懲處之外我們在目前應該要再加強我們個資保護的制度是不是有更嚴謹的一個資料管理流程或者是加強的資安保護個資保護的一個訓練好這個部分是\n我的第二個訴求那第三個部分呢我覺得在這次的事件上面我覺得教育部也應該要這樣建立相對應的一個問責機制來確保未來我們可以更謹慎的來處理性平與各自的相關事務那關於這三點我們是否可以提出相關的精進計畫或檢討報告因為我認為不是只有對立法委員要交代清楚最重要是我們要對社會而且我們也要讓學生很清楚的知道我們是如何的應對這件事情\n讓未來這樣子的事情不要再發生這個部分部長可以承諾我嗎謝謝委員提醒確實我們也因為針對這一個案這個事件我們內部已經在內控內機的這一個部分做了一些調整流程過去可能當事人本應這個分層負責他就直接回應這一個等於說那一個頭人陳情人\n那我們現在就是說他的程序裡面加一個就是科長他一定要整個看過檢視然後這個我們才可以出去譬如說我們加強了這個內控內積的這樣的一個程序希望能夠遵循我們性平法所有的規定而不要讓所有的關心這個性平工作或者直接的特別在這個受傷害的人這個\n第二次再受傷害這次的再受傷害所以是相關的檢討報告還有剛剛有提到就是說我們在各自的保護上面多加一個層級那這些是不是也都可以提供給大概什麼時候可以提供給我們辦公室呢大概什麼時候我想我們會後就提供檢討報告嗎我是說全部的整個機制的檢討報告會後就可以提供\n因為先前已經有內部做一個檢討而且也強化了相關人員的培訓好 那就是這個會後提供給我那我最後一件事情我想請教於台大這件事情其實我們一直不停的要關心最關鍵的問題其實還是在台大那我知道部長其實也都已經發了公文一直不停的在跟台大做溝通但是顯然台大還是認為他的處置沒有問題那接下來我們到底該怎麼辦呢\n各位報告我們性評會已經成立了一個專案的小組會協助我們從監察院的糾正文從這個法院的起訴書重新檢視學校處理流程有沒有缺漏如果當中有涉及到重大違失的部分我們會去評估是不是需要做重啟調查那個專案小組會再處理\n所以專業報告現在已經成立了那我們什麼時候可以有下一波的進度呢我想我們應該會努力在一個月內把整個審視的過程對布里頭後續如何督導學校來改善會提出一個完整的評估的建議\n所以一個月這個外部的調查小組就會提供我們這樣子的一個結果然後如果他們認為裡面有輸入我們就會重啟調查對不對是會由部的性評會來調查還是由台大跟我們報告目前這一個是性評會部的性評會做成的一個決議\n第一個決議就是這樣所以我們因為整個審視那當然如果沒有我們這一個如果台大有疏漏我們當然要一定要重啟調查這是無庸置疑的對對對我是說到底是誰會來重啟這個調查\n我們目前我們是教育部裡邊的這個性評會裡邊組成這個調查小組我是說這個調查小組是現在來看流程有沒有缺失嘛對不對看完缺失就覺得有問題之後就要重啟調查嘛那是誰會來重啟這個調查呢如果有疏漏的話\n跟委員報告 依照性評法這一個還是學校性評會的權責當然如果將來真的需要重啟調查我們會對於調查小組的成員提供建議希望它另組而不是原來的因為我為什麼要確認這一點就是我怕到時候的結果如果我們沒有我們因為其實我想市長也非常清楚民間一直在講我們很多的性評準\n性平的這個調查資料庫裡面其實很多人都不斷有更新性的性平意識所以這件事情會非常非常的重要好 那這件事情我也會持續的追下去好 那再來就是還是回到一下行動仔\n這件事情那這也是最近很多學生包含我之前也有幫我們的學生來跟教育部開一個協調會那學生其實非常強調一個重點那我也想問一下教育部對於這件事情的看法就是說他們是希望可以建立一個比照服役委員會的規範建立一個諮詢委員會來確保他們的聲音可以被聽見\n那這個其實已經 婦醫委員會其實已經行駛多年了啦那這個學生其實也蠻習慣那當天是說會帶回去討論那我不曉得說現在已經一個多禮拜了我們有沒有沒有討論那是不是也可以來簡單說明一下\n跟我們報告我們確實在因為這個草案目前在預告嘛所以我們6月1號還有一個實體跟線上我們也希望能夠廣收這個廣聽這個高中時學生他們的一些意見那會後我們會把委員的意見裡面一併都納入這個我們草案裡面看怎麼樣去做一些必要的一些調查\n我想問一下,因為其實學生,不管是之前我跟部長在提這件事情,或是當天我們開協調會,或是今天早上學生開記者會,其實都蠻在乎的,就是他們的聲音會不會被聽見嘛,在學校裡面,不是只有這一次教育部的這個會議,是學校裡面,所以他們非常希望可以以服醫委員會的方式來進行,那這個部的態度到底是什麼呢?\n因為這個我覺得是學生非常非常堅持的一個部分是誰要來跟委員說明那因為我們這次收集的是參採各方意見如果在後面如果學生的整個意見這個方面是非常強烈那我們就會慎重考慮把它做這樣子版本的一個做調整\n所以你的意思我可以解讀為是你們是有意願接受的對嗎其實跟委員說明一下我們目前其實是參採因為這個是一個社會溝通的過程所以我們必須參採各方的意見之後我們去做這樣子的我懂我的意思\n對我的意思是說因為其實我們都可以聽到學生非常在乎這一帕嘛這件事情嘛那當然在很多就是說到底要不要收手機這裡面還有很多的爭議但是在這個他們希望在學校裡面他們可以用這種方式來進行我覺得我想那這樣子我這樣問好了如果我們最後在6月1號開完會學生都極力要求這一個所以教育部就會支持嗎\n登委員報告那我們會跟現場執行面在做一些協商之後會想辦法把這樣子的一個訴求納入原則內好 了解 謝謝謝謝 謝謝司長那我最後快快問再耽誤一點點時間我本來其實很想問學生輔導法但我今天可能時間不太夠但我先問體育署\n好 體育署我想不管我們過去一直不停的在講就是如何的展現體育署會監督我們的單項協會那這個上個月 三月的時候呢全這個 金週刊呢其實也專題報導民間對於體育署讓體育改革後的國體法修法其實都還是有很大的疑慮就是特別針對於單項協會這件事情因為過去我們看一看到冰球協會有暗抗補助款\n或是足协有福报过高的转播费甚至去年我处理的极箭事件极箭协会等等的事件其实我都知道体育署有进行调查那我们也提出了组决议希望他可以公告但是呢体育署给我的回复呢还是说会把这个惩处放在反评报告当中\n他還是不是放在一個公告的地方讓民眾知道體育署的確是有在監督的那我想問一下這一件事情我們還是希望可以放到公告的地方到底可不可以呢\n包委員這部分我想因為它本身如果公告的話算是一個行政法所以這樣子的部分必須要有法源的依據那我是建議啦委員我們會後我們是不是來努力看看我們針對整個要如果要在國體法去修法要做公佈這件事情我們從它的適宜性原則比例整個最小侵害性還有它整個的是不是達到它的目的公義性等等我們做評估我們來評估看看說未來我們來做這個修法\n因為沒有這個修法我們的確沒有辦法直接公佈在網站上所以這件事情是你們要再跟你們自己的法務單位還是要跟法務部這邊也要再討論嗎目前我們知道是一定要修法其實說要不要這個修法的過程要去做評估這件事情接下來我會來跟委員這邊再做討論我們事實的如果真的有必要我們就來做啟動\n好 那這個我們就盡快約好不好因為這件事情我覺得如果接下來我們九月就要掛牌了那這個是一直以來長期民間關心非常重要的議題好 謝謝謝謝張雅玲委員的質詢 官員請回座我們接下來請伍麗華委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.229 --> 00:26.285\n還是要針對這個台大性平事件來請教部長因為我想部長應該非常清楚我非常關心這個議題然後從一開始其實就一直我不停的在關切這件事情那這次之所以引發這麼多的爭議我認為教育部處理的速度太慢了那我也認為教育部作為一個最高的性平主管機關應該要樹立這個典範所以我認為我們還有精進的空間不曉得我這樣子說部長您認同嗎\n\n00:27.932 --> 00:54.214\n我想我同意委員的一個說法確實教育部在這裡邊怎麼樣責成台大有更積極的一些作為在對學生權益的維護包含事後對受傷害的這些學生的一個更多的一些心理或者這些輔導上的一些支持力量我想\n\n00:55.815 --> 01:24.964\n確實台大是可以有精進的空間好我想不只是教育不只是台大包含是教育部的部分都還有精進的空間所以我想接下來我就來跟在這件事情上面我覺得我們有一些要來檢討的地方但目前我們知道就是葉刺現在已經請假了準備要調查所以我想要知道性評會已經正式立案調查那可不可以簡單說明一下目前的一個調查進度我們什麼時候可以有一個調查結果\n\n01:27.114 --> 01:42.493\n跟委員報告因為這個性評會確實在上個禮拜五已經召開然後也業次這個應該接受這個也組成專案應該調查所以業次在星期二星期一的一個會議決議\n\n01:44.355 --> 01:58.914\n然後這個會議的結果也讓信評的委員都看過了等於說確定會議的一個記錄所以現在的一個調查小組也正式在明天會議\n\n02:00.515 --> 02:27.731\n下禮拜一就會召開第一次的會議然後來進行調查所以在這個調查期間我們希望這一個為了沒問題我想了解一下我知道部長剛剛說什麼但是我想要知道我想現在我們還是回到現實上面我們可以處理的事情就是說現在下禮拜一會有調查小組那有沒有什麼時間預估會完成調查結果呢因為我希望這個結果是可以越快越好啦\n\n02:29.403 --> 02:55.292\n是我們現在的教育部的一個立場也是希望越快越好因為某種程度這個調查期間對夜市它相當程度它也是它事實上也是相當我想這個還是回到學生啦從學生的角度還有大家現在關切的就是說這件事情到底有沒有影響到學生的部分所以我們還是回到就是說為什麼他希望我希望他可以盡快出來因為我們還是要保障的是這個學生是\n\n02:56.012 --> 03:16.629\n是这个学生所以重点我们应该是放在这个学生身上所以我想知道我们现在有没有一个规划就是希望什么时候会有一个调查结果呢因为在性评法的规定大概是两个月要完成必要时刻延长两次每次不得预一个月但我知道今天这个情况可能不一定适用所以我想要知道你们现在有没有抓了一个时间点希望什么时候可以得到这个结果\n\n03:16.789 --> 03:40.382\n基本上就是陳委員所講因為涉及到政務官我們希望這個能夠在這個公平公正的一個不受干擾的情況下他能夠在一個月裡面能夠有這一個完整的一個調查報告出來好了解那我也想再請問一下就是說到底現在這個學生我們台大有沒有提供給他這些相關的心理輔導的資源呢\n\n03:43.171 --> 04:09.611\n因為根據性平法我們應該是要提供的這個學生基本上是長期受到那個輔導中心在協助的對象因為他本身就有一些所以在這次的事件之後我想我們是有在多給嗎還有在多給是不是是有在多給一些支持是的持續上在他們的輔導心理師都有在持續提供心理智商的服務\n\n04:10.270 --> 04:28.255\nOK好那我也想要了解就是說因為在這一次我們可以看見就是說整個教育部我認為是性平意識不足所以我想請教我們現在到底對我們不理人員有沒有進行一個常態的性平的教育訓練呢\n\n04:31.138 --> 04:40.470\n我想謝謝委員提醒確實我們在這個整個案件裡邊我們也在深切的檢討我們整個行政的一個過程裡邊到底\n\n04:42.793 --> 05:04.309\n的疏漏在哪裡也希望能夠導正能夠強化這個整個機制希望這個事件不會再發生我想這是屬於我們內部那當然包含性平的一個意思或者課程或者我們教育部過去是一個主要的主管機關但是我們如果同仁在這個部分是不足的我們怎麼樣去增能我想這個確實是我們要努力的\n\n05:08.112 --> 05:23.144\n好我想我剛剛的問題就是說在現在我們到底有沒有定期做這件事情在教育部裡面因為我們會有要求學校老師要定期的去回去嘛那我們自己到底對部裡的人員有沒有做這些要求呢有我們人事單位每年都固定辦理這個\n\n05:24.245 --> 05:45.117\n員工的培訓尤其在最近的這個性評法性攻法性殺法修正之後有很多新的規定以及當中的一個法的差異其實做了蠻多詳細的說明而且邀請的講師都是我們性評會裡頭非常有經驗的學術專家那我們有沒有一些相關的評估機制呢看這個成效呢應該我們都有填那個回饋的問卷\n\n05:49.332 --> 06:09.971\n好那我們看一下回饋的問卷好不好提供給我一下回饋問卷還有這個結果好不好再來大概一個禮拜一之內應該可以提供吧好我們請我們的人事處來協助謝謝好那我想問因為剛剛是講說我們定期有做這件事情嗎但是這件事情就顯示是不足的應該要再增能對不對所以這個增能的部分我們有相關的計畫\n\n06:11.769 --> 06:13.370\n我們會整體來看我們要怎麼樣哪一個地方是疏漏我們就先從那一個地方來補強\n\n06:43.130 --> 07:05.013\n有有確定有有嗎好喔那我想問一下那目前就是因為承辦有洩漏個資的這個問題嘛那我們現在看到承辦好像現在已經有被懲處嘛對不對但是我想問一下那請問一下司長學特司司長吳林輝是否也應該對這件事情負起一些監督不足的責任呢因為好像我現在沒有看到您的部分這樣子\n\n07:05.533 --> 07:25.453\n跟委員報告事實上吳市長他也自行處分也有處分是不是好喔那我想因為其實學特斯最重要啦因為他就是姓平事件最重要的教育管理機關可是這次的事件我覺得會打擊我們基層很大的信心所以我們必須要採取更積極的作為好那接下來還有就是說\n\n07:27.524 --> 07:41.952\n我認為因為這一次的個資保護的洩漏事件除了我們懲處之外我們在目前應該要再加強我們個資保護的制度是不是有更嚴謹的一個資料管理流程或者是加強的資安保護個資保護的一個訓練好這個部分是\n\n07:45.054 --> 08:13.136\n我的第二個訴求那第三個部分呢我覺得在這次的事件上面我覺得教育部也應該要這樣建立相對應的一個問責機制來確保未來我們可以更謹慎的來處理性平與各自的相關事務那關於這三點我們是否可以提出相關的精進計畫或檢討報告因為我認為不是只有對立法委員要交代清楚最重要是我們要對社會而且我們也要讓學生很清楚的知道我們是如何的應對這件事情\n\n08:15.037 --> 08:33.646\n讓未來這樣子的事情不要再發生這個部分部長可以承諾我嗎謝謝委員提醒確實我們也因為針對這一個案這個事件我們內部已經在內控內機的這一個部分做了一些調整流程過去可能當事人本應這個分層負責他就直接回應這一個等於說那一個頭人陳情人\n\n08:38.849 --> 09:01.996\n那我們現在就是說他的程序裡面加一個就是科長他一定要整個看過檢視然後這個我們才可以出去譬如說我們加強了這個內控內積的這樣的一個程序希望能夠遵循我們性平法所有的規定而不要讓所有的關心這個性平工作或者直接的特別在這個受傷害的人這個\n\n09:03.656 --> 09:24.276\n第二次再受傷害這次的再受傷害所以是相關的檢討報告還有剛剛有提到就是說我們在各自的保護上面多加一個層級那這些是不是也都可以提供給大概什麼時候可以提供給我們辦公室呢大概什麼時候我想我們會後就提供檢討報告嗎我是說全部的整個機制的檢討報告會後就可以提供\n\n09:24.930 --> 09:52.123\n因為先前已經有內部做一個檢討而且也強化了相關人員的培訓好那就是這個會後提供給我那我最後一件事情我想請教於台大這件事情其實我們一直不停的要關心最關鍵的問題其實還是在台大那我知道部長其實也都已經發了公文一直不停的在跟台大做溝通但是顯然台大還是認為他的處置沒有問題那接下來我們到底該怎麼辦呢\n\n09:57.236 --> 10:16.374\n各位報告我們性評會已經成立了一個專案的小組會協助我們從監察院的糾正文從這個法院的起訴書重新檢視學校處理流程有沒有缺漏如果當中有涉及到重大違失的部分我們會去評估是不是需要做重啟調查那個專案小組會再處理\n\n10:17.735 --> 10:32.487\n所以專業報告現在已經成立了那我們什麼時候可以有下一波的進度呢我想我們應該會努力在一個月內把整個審視的過程對布里頭後續如何督導學校來改善會提出一個完整的評估的建議\n\n10:32.987 --> 10:52.613\n所以一個月這個外部的調查小組就會提供我們這樣子的一個結果然後如果他們認為裡面有輸入我們就會重啟調查對不對是會由部的性評會來調查還是由台大跟我們報告目前這一個是性評會部的性評會做成的一個決議\n\n10:53.573 --> 11:04.446\n第一個決議就是這樣所以我們因為整個審視那當然如果沒有我們這一個如果台大有疏漏我們當然要一定要重啟調查這是無庸置疑的對對對我是說到底是誰會來重啟這個調查\n\n11:07.782 --> 11:24.743\n我們目前我們是教育部裡邊的這個性評會裡邊組成這個調查小組我是說這個調查小組是現在來看流程有沒有缺失嘛對不對看完缺失就覺得有問題之後就要重啟調查嘛那是誰會來重啟這個調查呢如果有疏漏的話\n\n11:26.121 --> 11:47.472\n跟委員報告依照性評法這一個還是學校性評會的權責當然如果將來真的需要重啟調查我們會對於調查小組的成員提供建議希望它另組而不是原來的因為我為什麼要確認這一點就是我怕到時候的結果如果我們沒有我們因為其實我想市長也非常清楚民間一直在講我們很多的性評準\n\n11:49.214 --> 12:03.370\n性平的這個調查資料庫裡面其實很多人都不斷有更新性的性平意識所以這件事情會非常非常的重要好那這件事情我也會持續的追下去好那再來就是還是回到一下行動仔\n\n12:03.690 --> 12:27.149\n這件事情那這也是最近很多學生包含我之前也有幫我們的學生來跟教育部開一個協調會那學生其實非常強調一個重點那我也想問一下教育部對於這件事情的看法就是說他們是希望可以建立一個比照服役委員會的規範建立一個諮詢委員會來確保他們的聲音可以被聽見\n\n12:28.730 --> 12:41.338\n那這個其實已經婦醫委員會其實已經行駛多年了啦那這個學生其實也蠻習慣那當天是說會帶回去討論那我不曉得說現在已經一個多禮拜了我們有沒有沒有討論那是不是也可以來簡單說明一下\n\n12:44.019 --> 13:07.033\n跟我們報告我們確實在因為這個草案目前在預告嘛所以我們6月1號還有一個實體跟線上我們也希望能夠廣收這個廣聽這個高中時學生他們的一些意見那會後我們會把委員的意見裡面一併都納入這個我們草案裡面看怎麼樣去做一些必要的一些調查\n\n13:07.193 --> 13:28.716\n我想問一下,因為其實學生,不管是之前我跟部長在提這件事情,或是當天我們開協調會,或是今天早上學生開記者會,其實都蠻在乎的,就是他們的聲音會不會被聽見嘛,在學校裡面,不是只有這一次教育部的這個會議,是學校裡面,所以他們非常希望可以以服醫委員會的方式來進行,那這個部的態度到底是什麼呢?\n\n13:31.263 --> 13:50.949\n因為這個我覺得是學生非常非常堅持的一個部分是誰要來跟委員說明那因為我們這次收集的是參採各方意見如果在後面如果學生的整個意見這個方面是非常強烈那我們就會慎重考慮把它做這樣子版本的一個做調整\n\n13:51.980 --> 14:09.803\n所以你的意思我可以解讀為是你們是有意願接受的對嗎其實跟委員說明一下我們目前其實是參採因為這個是一個社會溝通的過程所以我們必須參採各方的意見之後我們去做這樣子的我懂我的意思\n\n14:09.923 --> 14:29.314\n對我的意思是說因為其實我們都可以聽到學生非常在乎這一帕嘛這件事情嘛那當然在很多就是說到底要不要收手機這裡面還有很多的爭議但是在這個他們希望在學校裡面他們可以用這種方式來進行我覺得我想那這樣子我這樣問好了如果我們最後在6月1號開完會學生都極力要求這一個所以教育部就會支持嗎\n\n14:31.096 --> 14:49.872\n登委員報告那我們會跟現場執行面在做一些協商之後會想辦法把這樣子的一個訴求納入原則內好了解謝謝謝謝謝謝司長那我最後快快問再耽誤一點點時間我本來其實很想問學生輔導法但我今天可能時間不太夠但我先問體育署\n\n14:59.633 --> 15:25.911\n好體育署我想不管我們過去一直不停的在講就是如何的展現體育署會監督我們的單項協會那這個上個月三月的時候呢全這個金週刊呢其實也專題報導民間對於體育署讓體育改革後的國體法修法其實都還是有很大的疑慮就是特別針對於單項協會這件事情因為過去我們看一看到冰球協會有暗抗補助款\n\n15:27.092 --> 15:44.290\n或是足协有福报过高的转播费甚至去年我处理的极箭事件极箭协会等等的事件其实我都知道体育署有进行调查那我们也提出了组决议希望他可以公告但是呢体育署给我的回复呢还是说会把这个惩处放在反评报告当中\n\n15:45.131 --> 15:59.019\n他還是不是放在一個公告的地方讓民眾知道體育署的確是有在監督的那我想問一下這一件事情我們還是希望可以放到公告的地方到底可不可以呢\n\n15:59.795 --> 16:24.111\n包委員這部分我想因為它本身如果公告的話算是一個行政法所以這樣子的部分必須要有法源的依據那我是建議啦委員我們會後我們是不是來努力看看我們針對整個要如果要在國體法去修法要做公佈這件事情我們從它的適宜性原則比例整個最小侵害性還有它整個的是不是達到它的目的公義性等等我們做評估我們來評估看看說未來我們來做這個修法\n\n16:26.633 --> 16:46.767\n因為沒有這個修法我們的確沒有辦法直接公佈在網站上所以這件事情是你們要再跟你們自己的法務單位還是要跟法務部這邊也要再討論嗎目前我們知道是一定要修法其實說要不要這個修法的過程要去做評估這件事情接下來我會來跟委員這邊再做討論我們事實的如果真的有必要我們就來做啟動\n\n16:47.895 --> 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了解 那我也想再請問一下就是說到底現在這個學生我們台大有沒有提供給他這些相關的心理輔導的資源呢"},{"start":223.171,"end":249.611,"text":"因為根據性平法我們應該是要提供的這個學生基本上是長期受到那個輔導中心在協助的對象因為他本身就有一些所以在這次的事件之後我想我們是有在多給嗎還有在多給是不是是有在多給一些支持是的持續上在他們的輔導心理師都有在持續提供心理智商的服務"},{"start":250.27,"end":268.255,"text":"OK 好 那我也想要了解就是說因為在這一次我們可以看見就是說整個教育部我認為是性平意識不足所以我想請教我們現在到底對我們不理人員有沒有進行一個常態的性平的教育訓練呢"},{"start":271.138,"end":280.47,"text":"我想謝謝委員提醒確實我們在這個整個案件裡邊我們也在深切的檢討我們整個行政的一個過程裡邊到底"},{"start":282.793,"end":304.309,"text":"的疏漏在哪裡也希望能夠導正能夠強化這個整個機制希望這個事件不會再發生我想這是屬於我們內部那當然包含性平的一個意思或者課程或者我們教育部過去是一個主要的主管機關但是我們如果同仁在這個部分是不足的我們怎麼樣去增能我想這個確實是我們要努力的"},{"start":308.112,"end":323.144,"text":"好 我想 我剛剛的問題就是說在現在我們到底有沒有定期做這件事情在教育部裡面因為我們會有要求學校老師要定期的去回去嘛那我們自己到底對部裡的人員有沒有做這些要求呢有 我們人事單位每年都固定辦理這個"},{"start":324.245,"end":345.117,"text":"員工的培訓 尤其在最近的這個性評法 性攻法 性殺法修正之後 有很多新的規定以及當中的一個法的差異其實做了蠻多詳細的說明而且邀請的講師都是我們性評會裡頭非常有經驗的學術專家那我們有沒有一些相關的評估機制呢 看這個成效呢應該 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學特司司長吳林輝是否也應該對這件事情負起一些監督不足的責任呢因為好像我現在沒有看到您的部分這樣子"},{"start":425.533,"end":445.453,"text":"跟委員報告事實上吳市長他也自行處分也有處分是不是好喔那我想因為其實學特斯最重要啦因為他就是姓平事件最重要的教育管理機關可是這次的事件我覺得會打擊我們基層很大的信心所以我們必須要採取更積極的作為好那接下來還有就是說"},{"start":447.524,"end":461.952,"text":"我認為因為這一次的個資保護的洩漏事件除了我們懲處之外我們在目前應該要再加強我們個資保護的制度是不是有更嚴謹的一個資料管理流程或者是加強的資安保護個資保護的一個訓練好這個部分是"},{"start":465.054,"end":493.136,"text":"我的第二個訴求那第三個部分呢我覺得在這次的事件上面我覺得教育部也應該要這樣建立相對應的一個問責機制來確保未來我們可以更謹慎的來處理性平與各自的相關事務那關於這三點我們是否可以提出相關的精進計畫或檢討報告因為我認為不是只有對立法委員要交代清楚最重要是我們要對社會而且我們也要讓學生很清楚的知道我們是如何的應對這件事情"},{"start":495.037,"end":513.646,"text":"讓未來這樣子的事情不要再發生這個部分部長可以承諾我嗎謝謝委員提醒確實我們也因為針對這一個案這個事件我們內部已經在內控內機的這一個部分做了一些調整流程過去可能當事人本應這個分層負責他就直接回應這一個等於說那一個頭人陳情人"},{"start":518.849,"end":541.996,"text":"那我們現在就是說他的程序裡面加一個就是科長他一定要整個看過檢視然後這個我們才可以出去譬如說我們加強了這個內控內積的這樣的一個程序希望能夠遵循我們性平法所有的規定而不要讓所有的關心這個性平工作或者直接的特別在這個受傷害的人這個"},{"start":543.656,"end":564.276,"text":"第二次再受傷害這次的再受傷害所以是相關的檢討報告還有剛剛有提到就是說我們在各自的保護上面多加一個層級那這些是不是也都可以提供給大概什麼時候可以提供給我們辦公室呢大概什麼時候我想我們會後就提供檢討報告嗎我是說全部的整個機制的檢討報告會後就可以提供"},{"start":564.93,"end":592.123,"text":"因為先前已經有內部做一個檢討而且也強化了相關人員的培訓好 那就是這個會後提供給我那我最後一件事情我想請教於台大這件事情其實我們一直不停的要關心最關鍵的問題其實還是在台大那我知道部長其實也都已經發了公文一直不停的在跟台大做溝通但是顯然台大還是認為他的處置沒有問題那接下來我們到底該怎麼辦呢"},{"start":597.236,"end":616.374,"text":"各位報告我們性評會已經成立了一個專案的小組會協助我們從監察院的糾正文從這個法院的起訴書重新檢視學校處理流程有沒有缺漏如果當中有涉及到重大違失的部分我們會去評估是不是需要做重啟調查那個專案小組會再處理"},{"start":617.735,"end":632.487,"text":"所以專業報告現在已經成立了那我們什麼時候可以有下一波的進度呢我想我們應該會努力在一個月內把整個審視的過程對布里頭後續如何督導學校來改善會提出一個完整的評估的建議"},{"start":632.987,"end":652.613,"text":"所以一個月這個外部的調查小組就會提供我們這樣子的一個結果然後如果他們認為裡面有輸入我們就會重啟調查對不對是會由部的性評會來調查還是由台大跟我們報告目前這一個是性評會部的性評會做成的一個決議"},{"start":653.573,"end":664.446,"text":"第一個決議就是這樣所以我們因為整個審視那當然如果沒有我們這一個如果台大有疏漏我們當然要一定要重啟調查這是無庸置疑的對對對我是說到底是誰會來重啟這個調查"},{"start":667.782,"end":684.743,"text":"我們目前我們是教育部裡邊的這個性評會裡邊組成這個調查小組我是說這個調查小組是現在來看流程有沒有缺失嘛對不對看完缺失就覺得有問題之後就要重啟調查嘛那是誰會來重啟這個調查呢如果有疏漏的話"},{"start":686.121,"end":707.472,"text":"跟委員報告 依照性評法這一個還是學校性評會的權責當然如果將來真的需要重啟調查我們會對於調查小組的成員提供建議希望它另組而不是原來的因為我為什麼要確認這一點就是我怕到時候的結果如果我們沒有我們因為其實我想市長也非常清楚民間一直在講我們很多的性評準"},{"start":709.214,"end":723.37,"text":"性平的這個調查資料庫裡面其實很多人都不斷有更新性的性平意識所以這件事情會非常非常的重要好 那這件事情我也會持續的追下去好 那再來就是還是回到一下行動仔"},{"start":723.69,"end":747.149,"text":"這件事情那這也是最近很多學生包含我之前也有幫我們的學生來跟教育部開一個協調會那學生其實非常強調一個重點那我也想問一下教育部對於這件事情的看法就是說他們是希望可以建立一個比照服役委員會的規範建立一個諮詢委員會來確保他們的聲音可以被聽見"},{"start":748.73,"end":761.338,"text":"那這個其實已經 婦醫委員會其實已經行駛多年了啦那這個學生其實也蠻習慣那當天是說會帶回去討論那我不曉得說現在已經一個多禮拜了我們有沒有沒有討論那是不是也可以來簡單說明一下"},{"start":764.019,"end":787.033,"text":"跟我們報告我們確實在因為這個草案目前在預告嘛所以我們6月1號還有一個實體跟線上我們也希望能夠廣收這個廣聽這個高中時學生他們的一些意見那會後我們會把委員的意見裡面一併都納入這個我們草案裡面看怎麼樣去做一些必要的一些調查"},{"start":787.193,"end":808.716,"text":"我想問一下,因為其實學生,不管是之前我跟部長在提這件事情,或是當天我們開協調會,或是今天早上學生開記者會,其實都蠻在乎的,就是他們的聲音會不會被聽見嘛,在學校裡面,不是只有這一次教育部的這個會議,是學校裡面,所以他們非常希望可以以服醫委員會的方式來進行,那這個部的態度到底是什麼呢?"},{"start":811.263,"end":830.949,"text":"因為這個我覺得是學生非常非常堅持的一個部分是誰要來跟委員說明那因為我們這次收集的是參採各方意見如果在後面如果學生的整個意見這個方面是非常強烈那我們就會慎重考慮把它做這樣子版本的一個做調整"},{"start":831.98,"end":849.803,"text":"所以你的意思我可以解讀為是你們是有意願接受的對嗎其實跟委員說明一下我們目前其實是參採因為這個是一個社會溝通的過程所以我們必須參採各方的意見之後我們去做這樣子的我懂我的意思"},{"start":849.923,"end":869.314,"text":"對我的意思是說因為其實我們都可以聽到學生非常在乎這一帕嘛這件事情嘛那當然在很多就是說到底要不要收手機這裡面還有很多的爭議但是在這個他們希望在學校裡面他們可以用這種方式來進行我覺得我想那這樣子我這樣問好了如果我們最後在6月1號開完會學生都極力要求這一個所以教育部就會支持嗎"},{"start":871.096,"end":889.872,"text":"登委員報告那我們會跟現場執行面在做一些協商之後會想辦法把這樣子的一個訴求納入原則內好 了解 謝謝謝謝 謝謝司長那我最後快快問再耽誤一點點時間我本來其實很想問學生輔導法但我今天可能時間不太夠但我先問體育署"},{"start":899.633,"end":925.911,"text":"好 體育署我想不管我們過去一直不停的在講就是如何的展現體育署會監督我們的單項協會那這個上個月 三月的時候呢全這個 金週刊呢其實也專題報導民間對於體育署讓體育改革後的國體法修法其實都還是有很大的疑慮就是特別針對於單項協會這件事情因為過去我們看一看到冰球協會有暗抗補助款"},{"start":927.092,"end":944.29,"text":"或是足协有福报过高的转播费甚至去年我处理的极箭事件极箭协会等等的事件其实我都知道体育署有进行调查那我们也提出了组决议希望他可以公告但是呢体育署给我的回复呢还是说会把这个惩处放在反评报告当中"},{"start":945.131,"end":959.019,"text":"他還是不是放在一個公告的地方讓民眾知道體育署的確是有在監督的那我想問一下這一件事情我們還是希望可以放到公告的地方到底可不可以呢"},{"start":959.795,"end":984.111,"text":"包委員這部分我想因為它本身如果公告的話算是一個行政法所以這樣子的部分必須要有法源的依據那我是建議啦委員我們會後我們是不是來努力看看我們針對整個要如果要在國體法去修法要做公佈這件事情我們從它的適宜性原則比例整個最小侵害性還有它整個的是不是達到它的目的公義性等等我們做評估我們來評估看看說未來我們來做這個修法"},{"start":986.633,"end":1006.767,"text":"因為沒有這個修法我們的確沒有辦法直接公佈在網站上所以這件事情是你們要再跟你們自己的法務單位還是要跟法務部這邊也要再討論嗎目前我們知道是一定要修法其實說要不要這個修法的過程要去做評估這件事情接下來我會來跟委員這邊再做討論我們事實的如果真的有必要我們就來做啟動"},{"start":1007.895,"end":1019.378,"text":"好 那這個我們就盡快約好不好因為這件事情我覺得如果接下來我們九月就要掛牌了那這個是一直以來長期民間關心非常重要的議題好 謝謝謝謝張雅玲委員的質詢 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可以公告。但是體育署給我的回復還是說，會把這個懲處放在訪評報告當中，而不是公告來讓民眾知道體育署的確是有在監督的。我想問一下，我們還是希望這件事情可以公告，到底可不可以呢？"],["鄭署長世忠：報告委員，因為這部分如果要公告的話，它算是行政罰，所以這部分必須要有法源依據。我是建議，會後我們是不是來努力看看？如果國體法要修法來公布這件事情，那我們要從它的適宜性、原則比例、最小侵害性，還有是不是有達到它的目的、公益性等等，我們來做評估，未來再修法。因為如果沒有修法，我們的確沒有辦法直接公布在網站上。"],["張委員雅琳：所以這件事情你們是要跟自己的法務單位？還是要再跟法務部討論？"],["鄭署長世忠：目前是一定要修法，只是說修法的過程還要做評估這件事情，接下來我會再跟委員這邊討論，如果真的有必要，我們再來啟動。"],["張委員雅琳：好，我們就儘快約，好不好？因為接下來9月體育署就要掛牌了，而這件事是一直以來、長期以來，民間都非常關心的重要議題。好，謝謝。"],["鄭署長世忠：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝張雅琳委員的質詢，官員請回座。","接下來請伍麗華委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":410,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-22-13","speakers":["葛如鈞","柯志恩","郭昱晴","劉書彬","羅廷瑋","葉元之","陳秀寳","林宜瑾","張雅琳","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","吳沛憶","范雲","萬美玲","陳培瑜","張啓楷","林月琴","黃國昌","徐欣瑩","謝龍介","翁曉玲"],"page_start":329,"meetingDate":["2025-05-28"],"gazette_id":"1145401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1145401_00008"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"處理114年度中央政府總預算有關教育部主管預算解凍案33案","agenda_id":"1145401_00007"}}}