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00:00:08,021\n好謝謝主席主席我們請NCC主委陳主委好陳代主委主委好主委好主委我想今天大家也真的跟北溪一樣關切一下你們這NCC委員名單的部分我想這個換屆以來這2024年去年4月30號\n\n2\n00:00:23,803 --> 00:00:44,496\n第一次呈現人前這個提名的翁柏宗等四位政府組委員人選但因為那個時候他之前行政院院長那我們那時候立法院認為說應該要尊重新的院長提出新的名單所以在上一批的名單裡面大概11月30號整整個這個三個上一次提名的這幾位都卸任了嘛11月10號到期\n\n3\n00:00:45,595 --> 00:01:06,215\n我們看到卓榮泰院長上來之後在去年的11月28號我們這次全部都是搜尋中央社的新聞陸陸續報了幾次因為中央社畢竟是代表官方媒體的立場那從11月28號到現在第一次卓榮泰院長說緊羅密谷的偵詢中陸陸續講了幾次話那最近一次是\n\n4\n00:01:07,516 --> 00:01:19,606\n這個月的5月2號卓榮泰院長說人選已經確定可能下週公布我想5月2號的下週應該是5月9號前那今天已經5月28了距離11月28第一個距離11月28已經過了半年距離5月2號也過了26天左右已經快要4週了\n\n5\n00:01:27,472 --> 00:01:44,561\n我不知道這個主委對這個NCC名單委員名單有沒有什麼樣的消息有沒有什麼聽到什麼樣的可能性什麼時候才會提出來這個名單報告委員這邊無所知悉然後圈子範圍也不在NCC這邊所以這邊沒有特別評論\n\n6\n00:01:45,575 --> 00:02:13,665\n好沒關係主委我不會為難你啦因為我以為你有消息了所以為什麼可以講出來呢因為你們今天送來的解凍報告裡面也包含了一項嘛就是這個一般行政中的政務人員待遇的預算的七分之四之前被凍結那你們今天提出要解凍那所以我比較好奇說你提解凍的同時是不是表示說這個不足的人選即將要提出來了所以你先預先做了準備那如果毫無所惜那你這個解凍解凍完要放哪裡去\n\n7\n00:02:14,065 --> 00:02:41,984\n跟委員報告這個節奏條件是促請行政院趕快提名那我們已經做到促請這個動作我們有發函給人事總署人事總署也有轉函給行政院那邊所以我們就檢據資料在文書院報告裡頭來陳述說這個這個作為這個促請這個作為NCC已經已經到位了所以我們來來促請這個叫大委員會這邊來好沒關係主委這是你的立場沒關係這個我想這樣啦因為待會可能也會來針對這部分的\n\n8\n00:02:44,145 --> 00:03:03,239\n解凍案來討論其他部分我沒有特別意見但針對這個我的建議是說我這邊表達一下我的意見就是真的如果這個7分之4的部分應該等你們先送至少先送名單嘛名單先送來了的同時可以解凍如果連名單都沒有然後我就解凍這我覺得\n\n9\n00:03:04,693 --> 00:03:27,253\n立場讓我們立場會很尷尬啦我現在解凍了那結果還是沒有名單那當初凍結理由其實還是存在啊好吧這是我的立場我跟主委先說明一下好所以沒關係我們先回到業務面喔主委這個人事部分就這樣子了反正這個我看主委你也沒辦法就是決定嘛沒關係喔那麼回到業務面啦我想大家還是很關心這個詐騙打詐的議題喔\n\n10\n00:03:30,615 --> 00:03:50,038\n之前我們直訊的時候也提過很多次就是說包含說我們今天提出本期提出的修法裡面電信法第五條也針對也是這一類的這個二類電信的這個使用者那當然其中因為有最大宗就是所謂俗稱的外勞卡那它當然就是這個移工電話卡的部分\n\n11\n00:03:51,152 --> 00:04:17,184\n還有黑莓卡的部分那去年就講了說要依據這個新的打炸釋法來審查這些東西因為我們我國這個依據統計目前移工人數合法的照這個數上面上的數據有83.3萬人那失聯移工估計有8萬人所以合計起來大概90萬人左右但是我們這個售出的所謂的移工電話卡裡面大概有221萬支門號\n\n12\n00:04:19,125 --> 00:04:47,753\n它的售出門號有200多萬那實際上在台灣的移工不管10點還是登記在案的也90萬人而已所以表示說我們售出的電話卡2點多倍甚至高達快要3倍左右的這個數字通常它是單獨過來的嘛因為按照五國憲刑法例來講他們是移工來台灣理論上都是單身或一個人過來那它理論上也不會有這麼多卡片所以去年頒布了所謂打詐釋法之後就講說要來清查所謂的這個\n\n13\n00:04:49,133 --> 00:04:59,093\n這些這個所謂移工使用預付卡的部分那我想知道到底從去年到現在清查了多少還有多少的這些移工卡在外面流通\n\n14\n00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:19,741\n剛剛講到重點就是因為在台灣境內的外籍人士跟持有的迂腐卡人數是有落差所以我們分階段來清查3月份以前我們清查一陣多號的那已經清查完畢那剛剛去年11月總共外籍的迂腐卡有223萬\n\n15\n00:05:20,962 --> 00:05:46,473\n那到4月底我們已經清查完103萬那委員長提到說已經停用多少我們已經停用了14萬然後只要他依據打造條例22條只要他已經促進或者預期拘留的部分我們會給他停止都停動的話然後其他的部分會請他重新來合資所以如果他資格不符我們也拒絕申請那拒絕申請的部分也有達到11.4萬\n\n16\n00:05:48,214 --> 00:06:10,965\n那持續會進行清查大概我們預計到8月以前會全部三大電信業都清查完畢那中華電信走比較快到6月份就清查完畢所以你剛剛提到目前為止清查100多萬他停用了這十幾萬大概占一成左右那剩下那八十幾萬是都合法的嗎還是說還在清查中我想了解這個事情還在清查當中所以這八十幾萬也未必他在境內對\n\n17\n00:06:13,936 --> 00:06:38,393\n這個實務上他有沒有在境內不是是一個一言可之的事實嗎這個問題在哪裡為什麼這八十幾萬對我們來講比如說我人現在在台灣還是我在國外就是比如查我的護照很清楚可以很清楚知道說我人在哪裡嗎但是移工他們入境也是使用護照出入境那這八十幾萬還沒找到的原因還不能定案他是在國內繼續工作還是已經出境了的原因是什麼\n\n18\n00:06:39,516 --> 00:07:00,108\n根本回報主要原因是因為有的技術上的量能的問題因為我們查他有沒有在境內是只連到移民署的資料庫移民署資料庫本身他的作業系統白天比較忙怕會差許多影響他的怕他系統當掉所以會用比較深夜時段來查深夜時段來查也會有他的能量問題所以三大大概都會分開分時的處理\n\n19\n00:07:02,529 --> 00:07:27,788\n所以這個量能的部分會有一個限制所以我們大概會沒辦法一次都可以查多少量雖然我們有拜託過移民署那邊去擴容那他們也做了適度擴容所以現在的進度是達到說目前還可以繼續來走下去那未來部分如果他們有年度那邊會有擴容進一步完成的話那以後查詢的量能會更好查的會更快\n\n20\n00:07:28,636 --> 00:07:54,375\n所以這個是這樣因為這樣聽起來是跨部會啦所以我是希望說你們在行政院會的時候應該也要讓院長知道這個事實就是說你很認真的清查一百多萬那是因為量能關係你現在只能找到十幾萬那表示至少八十幾萬不對應該是一百加八十幾的部分還在外面流通那我們當然希望量能夠提升速度能夠加快嘛是不是移民署不管是網站的狀況也好還是人力也好能夠配合這個案子來辦理因為這件事情\n\n21\n00:07:54,975 --> 00:08:15,118\n不是針對移工這件事情其實是針對打炸它的層級應該是相對比較高的應該在打炸條例之下我們去做這個事情不然就不用訂打炸條例了嘛我們在行政院打炸的工作小組那邊在那邊有討論多時的那相關部會大概都有討論過有共識的情況下採取目前可行的措施來處理的\n\n22\n00:08:15,959 --> 00:08:26,127\n我們希望還是要加速這剛好也配合了電信法第五條的修正二電信列管的部分我想這是同樣的精神那我們希望這部分還是要加速啦好不好好我們會繼續努力謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2898\t8021\t好謝謝主席主席我們請NCC主委陳主委好陳代主委主委好主委好主委我想今天大家也真的跟北溪一樣關切一下你們這NCC委員名單的部分我想這個換屆以來這2024年去年4月30號\n23803\t44496\t第一次呈現人前這個提名的翁柏宗等四位政府組委員人選但因為那個時候他之前行政院院長那我們那時候立法院認為說應該要尊重新的院長提出新的名單所以在上一批的名單裡面大概11月30號整整個這個三個上一次提名的這幾位都卸任了嘛11月10號到期\n45595\t66215\t我們看到卓榮泰院長上來之後在去年的11月28號我們這次全部都是搜尋中央社的新聞陸陸續報了幾次因為中央社畢竟是代表官方媒體的立場那從11月28號到現在第一次卓榮泰院長說緊羅密谷的偵詢中陸陸續講了幾次話那最近一次是\n67516\t79606\t這個月的5月2號卓榮泰院長說人選已經確定可能下週公布我想5月2號的下週應該是5月9號前那今天已經5月28了距離11月28第一個距離11月28已經過了半年距離5月2號也過了26天左右已經快要4週了\n87472\t104561\t我不知道這個主委對這個NCC名單委員名單有沒有什麼樣的消息有沒有什麼聽到什麼樣的可能性什麼時候才會提出來這個名單報告委員這邊無所知悉然後圈子範圍也不在NCC這邊所以這邊沒有特別評論\n105575\t133665\t好 沒關係主委我不會為難你啦因為我以為你有消息了所以為什麼可以講出來呢因為你們今天送來的解凍報告裡面也包含了一項嘛就是這個一般行政中的政務人員待遇的預算的七分之四之前被凍結那你們今天提出要解凍那所以我比較好奇說你提解凍的同時是不是表示說這個不足的人選即將要提出來了所以你先預先做了準備那如果毫無所惜那你這個解凍解凍完要放哪裡去\n134065\t161984\t跟委員報告這個節奏條件是促請行政院趕快提名那我們已經做到促請這個動作我們有發函給人事總署人事總署也有轉函給行政院那邊所以我們就檢據資料在文書院報告裡頭來陳述說這個這個作為這個促請這個作為NCC已經已經到位了所以我們來來促請這個叫大委員會這邊來好沒關係主委這是你的立場沒關係這個我想這樣啦因為待會可能也會來針對這部分的\n164145\t183239\t解凍案來討論其他部分我沒有特別意見但針對這個我的建議是說我這邊表達一下我的意見就是真的如果這個7分之4的部分應該等你們先送至少先送名單嘛名單先送來了的同時可以解凍如果連名單都沒有然後我就解凍這我覺得\n184693\t207253\t立場讓我們立場會很尷尬啦我現在解凍了那結果還是沒有名單那當初凍結理由其實還是存在啊好吧這是我的立場我跟主委先說明一下好所以沒關係我們先回到業務面喔主委這個人事部分就這樣子了反正這個我看主委你也沒辦法就是決定嘛沒關係喔那麼回到業務面啦我想大家還是很關心這個詐騙打詐的議題喔\n210615\t230038\t之前我們直訊的時候也提過很多次就是說包含說我們今天提出本期提出的修法裡面電信法第五條也針對也是這一類的這個二類電信的這個使用者那當然其中因為有最大宗就是所謂俗稱的外勞卡那它當然就是這個移工電話卡的部分\n231152\t257184\t還有黑莓卡的部分那去年就講了說要依據這個新的打炸釋法來審查這些東西因為我們我國這個依據統計目前移工人數合法的照這個數 上面上的數據有83.3萬人那失聯移工估計有8萬人所以合計起來大概90萬人左右但是我們這個售出的所謂的移工電話卡裡面大概有221萬支門號\n259125\t287753\t它的售出門號有200多萬那實際上在台灣的移工不管10點還是登記在案的也90萬人而已所以表示說我們售出的電話卡2點多倍甚至高達快要3倍左右的這個數字通常它是單獨過來的嘛因為按照五國憲刑法例來講他們是移工來台灣理論上都是單身或一個人過來那它理論上也不會有這麼多卡片所以去年頒布了所謂打詐釋法之後就講說要來清查所謂的這個\n289133\t299093\t這些這個所謂移工使用預付卡的部分那我想知道到底從去年到現在清查了多少還有多少的這些移工卡在外面流通\n301840\t319741\t剛剛講到重點就是因為在台灣境內的外籍人士跟持有的迂腐卡人數是有落差所以我們分階段來清查3月份以前我們清查一陣多號的那已經清查完畢那剛剛去年11月總共外籍的迂腐卡有223萬\n320962\t346473\t那到4月底我們已經清查完103萬那委員長提到說已經停用多少我們已經停用了14萬然後只要他依據打造條例22條只要他已經促進或者預期拘留的部分我們會給他停止都停動的話然後其他的部分會請他重新來合資所以如果他資格不符我們也拒絕申請那拒絕申請的部分也有達到11.4萬\n348214\t370965\t那持續會進行清查大概我們預計到8月以前會全部三大電信業都清查完畢那中華電信走比較快到6月份就清查完畢所以你剛剛提到目前為止清查100多萬他停用了這十幾萬大概占一成左右那剩下那八十幾萬是都合法的嗎還是說還在清查中我想了解這個事情還在清查當中所以這八十幾萬也未必他在境內對\n373936\t398393\t這個實務上他有沒有在境內不是是一個一言可之的事實嗎這個問題在哪裡為什麼這八十幾萬對我們來講比如說我人現在在台灣還是我在國外就是比如查我的護照很清楚可以很清楚知道說我人在哪裡嗎但是移工他們入境也是使用護照出入境那這八十幾萬還沒找到的原因還不能定案他是在國內繼續工作還是已經出境了的原因是什麼\n399516\t420108\t根本回報主要原因是因為有的技術上的量能的問題因為我們查他有沒有在境內是只連到移民署的資料庫移民署資料庫本身他的作業系統白天比較忙怕會差許多影響他的怕他系統當掉所以會用比較深夜時段來查深夜時段來查也會有他的能量問題所以三大大概都會分開分時的處理\n422529\t447788\t所以這個量能的部分會有一個限制所以我們大概會沒辦法一次都可以查多少量雖然我們有拜託過移民署那邊去擴容那他們也做了適度擴容所以現在的進度是達到說目前還可以繼續來走下去那未來部分如果他們有年度那邊會有擴容進一步完成的話那以後查詢的量能會更好 查的會更快\n448636\t474375\t所以這個是這樣 因為這樣聽起來是跨部會啦所以我是希望說你們在行政院會的時候應該也要讓院長知道這個事實就是說你很認真的清查一百多萬那是因為量能關係 你現在只能找到十幾萬那表示至少八十幾萬 不對應該是一百加八十幾的部分還在外面流通那我們當然希望量能夠提升 速度能夠加快嘛是不是移民署不管是網站的狀況也好 還是人力也好能夠配合這個案子來辦理 因為這件事情\n474975\t495118\t不是針對移工這件事情其實是針對打炸它的層級應該是相對比較高的應該在打炸條例之下我們去做這個事情不然就不用訂打炸條例了嘛我們在行政院打炸的工作小組那邊在那邊有討論多時的那相關部會大概都有討論過有共識的情況下採取目前可行的措施來處理的\n495959\t506127\t我們希望還是要加速這剛好也配合了電信法第五條的修正二電信列管的部分我想這是同樣的精神那我們希望這部分還是要加速啦好不好好我們會繼續努力謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席主席我們請NCC主委陳主委好陳代主委主委好主委好主委我想今天大家也真的跟北溪一樣關切一下你們這NCC委員名單的部分我想這個換屆以來這2024年去年4月30號\n第一次呈現人前這個提名的翁柏宗等四位政府組委員人選但因為那個時候他之前行政院院長那我們那時候立法院認為說應該要尊重新的院長提出新的名單所以在上一批的名單裡面大概11月30號整整個這個三個上一次提名的這幾位都卸任了嘛11月10號到期\n我們看到卓榮泰院長上來之後在去年的11月28號我們這次全部都是搜尋中央社的新聞陸陸續報了幾次因為中央社畢竟是代表官方媒體的立場那從11月28號到現在第一次卓榮泰院長說緊羅密谷的偵詢中陸陸續講了幾次話那最近一次是\n這個月的5月2號卓榮泰院長說人選已經確定可能下週公布我想5月2號的下週應該是5月9號前那今天已經5月28了距離11月28第一個距離11月28已經過了半年距離5月2號也過了26天左右已經快要4週了\n我不知道這個主委對這個NCC名單委員名單有沒有什麼樣的消息有沒有什麼聽到什麼樣的可能性什麼時候才會提出來這個名單報告委員這邊無所知悉然後圈子範圍也不在NCC這邊所以這邊沒有特別評論\n好 沒關係主委我不會為難你啦因為我以為你有消息了所以為什麼可以講出來呢因為你們今天送來的解凍報告裡面也包含了一項嘛就是這個一般行政中的政務人員待遇的預算的七分之四之前被凍結那你們今天提出要解凍那所以我比較好奇說你提解凍的同時是不是表示說這個不足的人選即將要提出來了所以你先預先做了準備那如果毫無所惜那你這個解凍解凍完要放哪裡去\n跟委員報告這個節奏條件是促請行政院趕快提名那我們已經做到促請這個動作我們有發函給人事總署人事總署也有轉函給行政院那邊所以我們就檢據資料在文書院報告裡頭來陳述說這個這個作為這個促請這個作為NCC已經已經到位了所以我們來來促請這個叫大委員會這邊來好沒關係主委這是你的立場沒關係這個我想這樣啦因為待會可能也會來針對這部分的\n解凍案來討論其他部分我沒有特別意見但針對這個我的建議是說我這邊表達一下我的意見就是真的如果這個7分之4的部分應該等你們先送至少先送名單嘛名單先送來了的同時可以解凍如果連名單都沒有然後我就解凍這我覺得\n立場讓我們立場會很尷尬啦我現在解凍了那結果還是沒有名單那當初凍結理由其實還是存在啊好吧這是我的立場我跟主委先說明一下好所以沒關係我們先回到業務面喔主委這個人事部分就這樣子了反正這個我看主委你也沒辦法就是決定嘛沒關係喔那麼回到業務面啦我想大家還是很關心這個詐騙打詐的議題喔\n之前我們直訊的時候也提過很多次就是說包含說我們今天提出本期提出的修法裡面電信法第五條也針對也是這一類的這個二類電信的這個使用者那當然其中因為有最大宗就是所謂俗稱的外勞卡那它當然就是這個移工電話卡的部分\n還有黑莓卡的部分那去年就講了說要依據這個新的打炸釋法來審查這些東西因為我們我國這個依據統計目前移工人數合法的照這個數 上面上的數據有83.3萬人那失聯移工估計有8萬人所以合計起來大概90萬人左右但是我們這個售出的所謂的移工電話卡裡面大概有221萬支門號\n它的售出門號有200多萬那實際上在台灣的移工不管10點還是登記在案的也90萬人而已所以表示說我們售出的電話卡2點多倍甚至高達快要3倍左右的這個數字通常它是單獨過來的嘛因為按照五國憲刑法例來講他們是移工來台灣理論上都是單身或一個人過來那它理論上也不會有這麼多卡片所以去年頒布了所謂打詐釋法之後就講說要來清查所謂的這個\n這些這個所謂移工使用預付卡的部分那我想知道到底從去年到現在清查了多少還有多少的這些移工卡在外面流通\n剛剛講到重點就是因為在台灣境內的外籍人士跟持有的迂腐卡人數是有落差所以我們分階段來清查3月份以前我們清查一陣多號的那已經清查完畢那剛剛去年11月總共外籍的迂腐卡有223萬\n那到4月底我們已經清查完103萬那委員長提到說已經停用多少我們已經停用了14萬然後只要他依據打造條例22條只要他已經促進或者預期拘留的部分我們會給他停止都停動的話然後其他的部分會請他重新來合資所以如果他資格不符我們也拒絕申請那拒絕申請的部分也有達到11.4萬\n那持續會進行清查大概我們預計到8月以前會全部三大電信業都清查完畢那中華電信走比較快到6月份就清查完畢所以你剛剛提到目前為止清查100多萬他停用了這十幾萬大概占一成左右那剩下那八十幾萬是都合法的嗎還是說還在清查中我想了解這個事情還在清查當中所以這八十幾萬也未必他在境內對\n這個實務上他有沒有在境內不是是一個一言可之的事實嗎這個問題在哪裡為什麼這八十幾萬對我們來講比如說我人現在在台灣還是我在國外就是比如查我的護照很清楚可以很清楚知道說我人在哪裡嗎但是移工他們入境也是使用護照出入境那這八十幾萬還沒找到的原因還不能定案他是在國內繼續工作還是已經出境了的原因是什麼\n根本回報主要原因是因為有的技術上的量能的問題因為我們查他有沒有在境內是只連到移民署的資料庫移民署資料庫本身他的作業系統白天比較忙怕會差許多影響他的怕他系統當掉所以會用比較深夜時段來查深夜時段來查也會有他的能量問題所以三大大概都會分開分時的處理\n所以這個量能的部分會有一個限制所以我們大概會沒辦法一次都可以查多少量雖然我們有拜託過移民署那邊去擴容那他們也做了適度擴容所以現在的進度是達到說目前還可以繼續來走下去那未來部分如果他們有年度那邊會有擴容進一步完成的話那以後查詢的量能會更好 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