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00:00:14,983\n謝謝主席有請陳代理主委好陳代主委委員好主委長辛苦主委我想這個我們的這個\n\n2\n00:00:17,364 --> 00:00:37,480\n國家通訊傳播委員會的委員空轉已經五個月了當然我們知道行政院長、主委院長最近有明確提出要確定人選的一個提案但是到目前為止還在等候名單我想剛剛我們有許多的委員也都有特別關切這個事情\n\n3\n00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:54,257\n那所以我想我們還是期待行政院趕快提出名單但是也請我們藍白委員不要惡意杯葛啦這個沒有人就沒辦法做事情啦我們也是盡快希望這個名單能夠確定之後然後整個讓我們整個監理制度整個\n\n4\n00:00:55,891 --> 00:01:11,392\nNCC的運作能夠正常順利但是到目前為止主委我們目前貴會剩下3席委員那這段時間面臨的一個實質決策跟一個推動的一個困難的問題我們怎麼去克服這些的狀況\n\n5\n00:01:12,642 --> 00:01:40,736\n就是我們在去年7月31號以前有修改了一些相關的授權規定就是在組織法9條2項6款的全法律保留的事項之外我們有授權說在代理組委或委員會議無法組成情況之下一樣可以處理所以目前大概是我們就可以處理部分都持續來處理那不能處理委員會議保留事項部分我們也會請同仁一定要做到\n\n6\n00:01:41,796 --> 00:02:08,622\n上委員會前的幕僚階段的作業都要完成就像我一直跟外界舉的例子假設到委員會的是要跑100公尺我們都希望能跑到90公尺就是我們還是照這個該走的程序在進行然後到最後再來做處理啦是主委我想這個問題當然就是我們也是希望能夠盡快解決不過在於這個整個這個\n\n7\n00:02:11,966 --> 00:02:30,319\n櫃會確實在不管是交通部就是在這個整個內閣來講這個好像看起來是我們在野黨很有興趣的一個單位我想這個當然有一些的時空背景不過真的不能再拖延下去了畢竟我們的背景很重要那另外我想針對這個\n\n8\n00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:57,716\n新聞更正跟答辯權的制度再請教一下主委主委我想我自己本身也是媒體出身那我認為新聞自由是民主的根本價值那所以說話的自由應該是雙向的不是只有單向的一個回應那目前我們的這個新聞更正跟答辯的一個制度多數仰賴於媒體的自律或是NCC的行政指導跟德國法國還是不一樣\n\n9\n00:02:58,556 --> 00:03:05,110\n那主委認為我們這個部分是不是應該參考歐陸的一個制度建立一個更明確的一個程序跟實現\n\n10\n00:03:06,601 --> 00:03:31,763\n跟我們報告確實就是我們這部分其實在我們報告有提到這個權力就地部分其實有往前優化了那目前因為發動方都必須要是被報導人物這一塊在我們衛廣法44條有答辯的一些規範44條有更正的規範那如果覺得他的權力有受到損害在民事上其實也可以用衛廣法45條來做一些賠償損害的一些訴求處理\n\n11\n00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:55,267\n主委這點也是我覺得過去NCC一直會被攻擊被質疑的點所以我覺得這個東西真的很重要要不然未來你們在執法上面人家總是找麻煩所以我們求是你們不管怎麼判怎麼處理都會有問題所以應該是不是趕快把它制度化做一個比較明確的規範\n\n12\n00:03:56,432 --> 00:04:18,136\n有都是現在剛剛就是衛廣法有相關的規範倒是武廣那邊是相對應的比較沒有那麼明確那未來我們管理三法修法也就是會拉齊這兩部法的部分但是目前主要新聞頻道大概都是拿衛廣執照所以這邊大致上是比較沒有問題這規範都已經到位了\n\n13\n00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:41,411\n主委所以我還是建議一定要建立制度化公開化程序明確的一個更正跟答辯的機制這不斷是對媒體的一個保障也是對民眾的一個信賴對社會一個進步的一個象徵這點我想我們繼續來努力好那另外最近媒體有報導中國的平台小紅書主委知道嗎知道最近\n\n14\n00:04:43,269 --> 00:05:05,745\n陸陸續續出現了我們空軍花蓮基地的一個部署的影片甚至有民眾在平台上也發現了大量的一個血統的一個正面的影像甚至有疑似的中國直播組在校門口拍攝的一個狀況我想這個不是單一事件這是很明顯一個數位徵收跟一個認知作戰的一個具體證據主委我們目前有掌握相關的一個狀況嗎\n\n15\n00:05:08,378 --> 00:05:27,471\n有相關部會都有協力那這一塊因為主要涉及到國安體系的單位那也會也跟兩岸關係有關那我們都有跟這個相應的有相關主管機關都有保持一些聯繫那在通案上我們希望說這個平台那邊還有民眾這邊必須要有這個正確的一些\n\n16\n00:05:29,573 --> 00:05:37,952\n素養的一些賠利然後素養上必須要不斷的提升才能避免這個思想想法裡頭被影響而不自知\n\n17\n00:05:39,369 --> 00:06:07,780\n因為這些平台已經不是單純的這個下載娛樂媒體的一個平台而是一些認知作戰甚至是惡意置入的一些處理的一個機制我想這就是很嚴重一個資訊戰的屠城木馬這點我想未來還是我們也會要求行政院必須跨部會來整合針對這樣的一個敵對平台的即時通報跟徹查的一個機制應該把一些軍事校園甚至交通的一些因素\n\n18\n00:06:08,220 --> 00:06:33,501\n要整個來調整來做一個因應主委認同嗎認同我們都有協定相關部會來做相關法定規範的一些秩序定的時候我們都有來參與處理另外我還是要再建議說我們NCC應該跟教育部要建立一個血統影像的一個保護方案然後甚至這個孩童的影像不得上傳到這個敵對的一個平台這部分有沒有做這樣的規劃\n\n19\n00:06:35,592 --> 00:06:59,164\n兒少的保護在我們NC族主管的在安慰部分有持續來進行民眾端的素養的賠率或侵蝕部分我們也有在處理如果說是在間接轉入在廣播媒體部分這部分我們也有相關一些法定規範既有的為管理者來做一些處理\n\n20\n00:07:01,039 --> 00:07:26,491\n最後我想主委這個賴總統有在國安實習冊裡面的第七項有提到防範中共利用AI跟應用程式危害治安的一個嚴重的情形那我想我們還是要積極推動數位中介服務法尤其是針對有敵意來源的平台應該要有揭露義務這個來源標示跟一些退波的一些限制那我想這個尤其是我們的孩子絕對不是中國AI的練習樣板\n\n21\n00:07:27,611 --> 00:07:57,034\n那台灣的社群生活也不是一個統戰的練習場這點我想我們應該要正視這個國安的一個嚴重的問題好最後一部分訴訟法我們先前外界比較缺乏共識但是我們在一百零九年之後我們還是持續收集相關資料那未來我們會持續往這方面來不管是國際上的趨勢走向的一些演習跟那個跟對外的一些第三方或者公民團體一些溝通我們都有持續在進行\n\n22\n00:07:57,884 --> 00:08:20,254\n主委當然你如果又做了這些事情可能又會招致這個我們在野黨的委員會覺得你們又在做敵對的一個行為這點當然是很辛苦不過我們還是要堅持做對的事情這個該做的還是要做所以109年之後比較急迫性目前都採分散私立法在兒少保護或相關的一些\n\n23\n00:08:21,794 --> 00:08:37,033\n放諸四海皆准的一些迫切的議題其實都已經在衛福部相關的法令以後性剝削條例也好大概都已經完成立法對所以有做的事情也應該要積極宣傳這樣你們才知道NCC的定位在哪裡好這部分我們會來繼續加強好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2738\t14983\t謝謝主席 有請陳代理主委好 陳代主委委員好 主委長辛苦 主委我想這個我們的這個\n17364\t37480\t國家通訊傳播委員會的委員空轉已經五個月了當然我們知道行政院長、主委院長最近有明確提出要確定人選的一個提案但是到目前為止還在等候名單我想剛剛我們有許多的委員也都有特別關切這個事情\n38200\t54257\t那所以我想我們還是期待行政院趕快提出名單但是也請我們藍白委員不要惡意杯葛啦這個沒有人就沒辦法做事情啦我們也是盡快希望這個名單能夠確定之後然後整個讓我們整個監理制度整個\n55891\t71392\tNCC的運作能夠正常順利但是到目前為止 主委我們目前貴會剩下3席委員那這段時間面臨的一個實質決策跟一個推動的一個困難的問題我們怎麼去克服這些的狀況\n72642\t100736\t就是我們在去年7月31號以前有修改了一些相關的授權規定就是在組織法9條2項6款的全法律保留的事項之外我們有授權說在代理組委或委員會議無法組成情況之下一樣可以處理所以目前大概是我們就可以處理部分都持續來處理那不能處理委員會議保留事項部分我們也會請同仁一定要做到\n101796\t128622\t上委員會前的幕僚階段的作業都要完成就像我一直跟外界舉的例子假設到委員會的是要跑100公尺我們都希望能跑到90公尺就是我們還是照這個該走的程序在進行然後到最後再來做處理啦是主委我想這個問題當然就是我們也是希望能夠盡快解決不過在於這個整個這個\n131966\t150319\t櫃會確實在不管是交通部就是在這個整個內閣來講這個好像看起來是我們在野黨很有興趣的一個單位我想這個當然有一些的時空背景不過真的不能再拖延下去了畢竟我們的背景很重要那另外我想針對這個\n152080\t177716\t新聞更正跟答辯權的制度再請教一下主委主委我想我自己本身也是媒體出身那我認為新聞自由是民主的根本價值那所以說話的自由應該是雙向的不是只有單向的一個回應那目前我們的這個新聞更正跟答辯的一個制度多數仰賴於媒體的自律或是NCC的行政指導跟德國法國還是不一樣\n178556\t185110\t那主委認為我們這個部分是不是應該參考歐陸的一個制度建立一個更明確的一個程序跟實現\n186601\t211763\t跟我們報告確實就是我們這部分其實在我們報告有提到這個權力就地部分其實有往前優化了那目前因為發動方都必須要是被報導人物這一塊在我們衛廣法44條有答辯的一些規範44條有更正的規範那如果覺得他的權力有受到損害在民事上其實也可以用衛廣法45條來做一些賠償損害的一些訴求處理\n214520\t235267\t主委這點也是我覺得過去NCC一直會被攻擊 被質疑的點所以我覺得這個東西真的很重要要不然未來你們在執法上面 人家總是找麻煩所以我們求是你們不管怎麼判 怎麼處理 都會有問題所以應該是不是趕快把它制度化 做一個比較明確的規範\n236432\t258136\t有都是現在剛剛就是衛廣法有相關的規範倒是武廣那邊是相對應的比較沒有那麼明確那未來我們管理三法修法也就是會拉齊這兩部法的部分但是目前主要新聞頻道大概都是拿衛廣執照所以這邊大致上是比較沒有問題這規範都已經到位了\n258840\t281411\t主委所以我還是建議一定要建立制度化公開化程序明確的一個更正跟答辯的機制這不斷是對媒體的一個保障也是對民眾的一個信賴對社會一個進步的一個象徵這點我想我們繼續來努力好那另外最近媒體有報導中國的平台小紅書主委知道嗎知道最近\n283269\t305745\t陸陸續續出現了我們空軍花蓮基地的一個部署的影片甚至有民眾在平台上也發現了大量的一個血統的一個正面的影像甚至有疑似的中國直播組在校門口拍攝的一個狀況我想這個不是單一事件這是很明顯一個數位徵收跟一個認知作戰的一個具體證據主委我們目前有掌握相關的一個狀況嗎\n308378\t327471\t有相關部會都有協力那這一塊因為主要涉及到國安體系的單位那也會也跟兩岸關係有關那我們都有跟這個相應的有相關主管機關都有保持一些聯繫那在通案上我們希望說這個平台那邊還有民眾這邊必須要有這個正確的一些\n329573\t337952\t素養的一些賠利然後素養上必須要不斷的提升才能避免這個思想想法裡頭被影響而不自知\n339369\t367780\t因為這些平台已經不是單純的這個下載娛樂媒體的一個平台而是一些認知作戰甚至是惡意置入的一些處理的一個機制我想這就是很嚴重一個資訊戰的屠城木馬這點我想未來還是我們也會要求行政院必須跨部會來整合針對這樣的一個敵對平台的即時通報跟徹查的一個機制應該把一些軍事校園甚至交通的一些因素\n368220\t393501\t要整個來調整來做一個因應主委認同嗎認同 我們都有協定相關部會來做相關法定規範的一些秩序定的時候我們都有來參與處理另外我還是要再建議說我們NCC應該跟教育部要建立一個血統影像的一個保護方案然後甚至這個孩童的影像不得上傳到這個敵對的一個平台這部分有沒有做這樣的規劃\n395592\t419164\t兒少的保護在我們NC族主管的在安慰部分有持續來進行民眾端的素養的賠率或侵蝕部分我們也有在處理如果說是在間接轉入在廣播媒體部分這部分我們也有相關一些法定規範既有的為管理者來做一些處理\n421039\t446491\t最後我想主委這個賴總統有在國安實習冊裡面的第七項有提到防範中共利用AI跟應用程式危害治安的一個嚴重的情形那我想我們還是要積極推動數位中介服務法尤其是針對有敵意來源的平台應該要有揭露義務這個來源標示跟一些退波的一些限制那我想這個尤其是我們的孩子絕對不是中國AI的練習樣板\n447611\t477034\t那台灣的社群生活也不是一個統戰的練習場這點我想我們應該要正視這個國安的一個嚴重的問題好 最後一部分訴訟法我們先前外界比較缺乏共識但是我們在一百零九年之後我們還是持續收集相關資料那未來我們會持續往這方面來不管是國際上的趨勢走向的一些演習跟那個跟對外的一些第三方或者公民團體一些溝通我們都有持續在進行\n477884\t500254\t主委當然你如果又做了這些事情可能又會招致這個我們在野黨的委員會覺得你們又在做敵對的一個行為這點當然是很辛苦不過我們還是要堅持做對的事情這個該做的還是要做所以109年之後比較急迫性目前都採分散私立法在兒少保護或相關的一些\n501794\t517033\t放諸四海皆准的一些迫切的議題其實都已經在衛福部相關的法令以後性剝削條例也好大概都已經完成立法對 所以有做的事情也應該要積極宣傳這樣你們才知道NCC的定位在哪裡好 這部分我們會來繼續加強好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請陳代理主委好 陳代主委委員好 主委長辛苦 主委我想這個我們的這個\n國家通訊傳播委員會的委員空轉已經五個月了當然我們知道行政院長、主委院長最近有明確提出要確定人選的一個提案但是到目前為止還在等候名單我想剛剛我們有許多的委員也都有特別關切這個事情\n那所以我想我們還是期待行政院趕快提出名單但是也請我們藍白委員不要惡意杯葛啦這個沒有人就沒辦法做事情啦我們也是盡快希望這個名單能夠確定之後然後整個讓我們整個監理制度整個\nNCC的運作能夠正常順利但是到目前為止 主委我們目前貴會剩下3席委員那這段時間面臨的一個實質決策跟一個推動的一個困難的問題我們怎麼去克服這些的狀況\n就是我們在去年7月31號以前有修改了一些相關的授權規定就是在組織法9條2項6款的全法律保留的事項之外我們有授權說在代理組委或委員會議無法組成情況之下一樣可以處理所以目前大概是我們就可以處理部分都持續來處理那不能處理委員會議保留事項部分我們也會請同仁一定要做到\n上委員會前的幕僚階段的作業都要完成就像我一直跟外界舉的例子假設到委員會的是要跑100公尺我們都希望能跑到90公尺就是我們還是照這個該走的程序在進行然後到最後再來做處理啦是主委我想這個問題當然就是我們也是希望能夠盡快解決不過在於這個整個這個\n櫃會確實在不管是交通部就是在這個整個內閣來講這個好像看起來是我們在野黨很有興趣的一個單位我想這個當然有一些的時空背景不過真的不能再拖延下去了畢竟我們的背景很重要那另外我想針對這個\n新聞更正跟答辯權的制度再請教一下主委主委我想我自己本身也是媒體出身那我認為新聞自由是民主的根本價值那所以說話的自由應該是雙向的不是只有單向的一個回應那目前我們的這個新聞更正跟答辯的一個制度多數仰賴於媒體的自律或是NCC的行政指導跟德國法國還是不一樣\n那主委認為我們這個部分是不是應該參考歐陸的一個制度建立一個更明確的一個程序跟實現\n跟我們報告確實就是我們這部分其實在我們報告有提到這個權力就地部分其實有往前優化了那目前因為發動方都必須要是被報導人物這一塊在我們衛廣法44條有答辯的一些規範44條有更正的規範那如果覺得他的權力有受到損害在民事上其實也可以用衛廣法45條來做一些賠償損害的一些訴求處理\n主委這點也是我覺得過去NCC一直會被攻擊 被質疑的點所以我覺得這個東西真的很重要要不然未來你們在執法上面 人家總是找麻煩所以我們求是你們不管怎麼判 怎麼處理 都會有問題所以應該是不是趕快把它制度化 做一個比較明確的規範\n有都是現在剛剛就是衛廣法有相關的規範倒是武廣那邊是相對應的比較沒有那麼明確那未來我們管理三法修法也就是會拉齊這兩部法的部分但是目前主要新聞頻道大概都是拿衛廣執照所以這邊大致上是比較沒有問題這規範都已經到位了\n主委所以我還是建議一定要建立制度化公開化程序明確的一個更正跟答辯的機制這不斷是對媒體的一個保障也是對民眾的一個信賴對社會一個進步的一個象徵這點我想我們繼續來努力好那另外最近媒體有報導中國的平台小紅書主委知道嗎知道最近\n陸陸續續出現了我們空軍花蓮基地的一個部署的影片甚至有民眾在平台上也發現了大量的一個血統的一個正面的影像甚至有疑似的中國直播組在校門口拍攝的一個狀況我想這個不是單一事件這是很明顯一個數位徵收跟一個認知作戰的一個具體證據主委我們目前有掌握相關的一個狀況嗎\n有相關部會都有協力那這一塊因為主要涉及到國安體系的單位那也會也跟兩岸關係有關那我們都有跟這個相應的有相關主管機關都有保持一些聯繫那在通案上我們希望說這個平台那邊還有民眾這邊必須要有這個正確的一些\n素養的一些賠利然後素養上必須要不斷的提升才能避免這個思想想法裡頭被影響而不自知\n因為這些平台已經不是單純的這個下載娛樂媒體的一個平台而是一些認知作戰甚至是惡意置入的一些處理的一個機制我想這就是很嚴重一個資訊戰的屠城木馬這點我想未來還是我們也會要求行政院必須跨部會來整合針對這樣的一個敵對平台的即時通報跟徹查的一個機制應該把一些軍事校園甚至交通的一些因素\n要整個來調整來做一個因應主委認同嗎認同 我們都有協定相關部會來做相關法定規範的一些秩序定的時候我們都有來參與處理另外我還是要再建議說我們NCC應該跟教育部要建立一個血統影像的一個保護方案然後甚至這個孩童的影像不得上傳到這個敵對的一個平台這部分有沒有做這樣的規劃\n兒少的保護在我們NC族主管的在安慰部分有持續來進行民眾端的素養的賠率或侵蝕部分我們也有在處理如果說是在間接轉入在廣播媒體部分這部分我們也有相關一些法定規範既有的為管理者來做一些處理\n最後我想主委這個賴總統有在國安實習冊裡面的第七項有提到防範中共利用AI跟應用程式危害治安的一個嚴重的情形那我想我們還是要積極推動數位中介服務法尤其是針對有敵意來源的平台應該要有揭露義務這個來源標示跟一些退波的一些限制那我想這個尤其是我們的孩子絕對不是中國AI的練習樣板\n那台灣的社群生活也不是一個統戰的練習場這點我想我們應該要正視這個國安的一個嚴重的問題好 最後一部分訴訟法我們先前外界比較缺乏共識但是我們在一百零九年之後我們還是持續收集相關資料那未來我們會持續往這方面來不管是國際上的趨勢走向的一些演習跟那個跟對外的一些第三方或者公民團體一些溝通我們都有持續在進行\n主委當然你如果又做了這些事情可能又會招致這個我們在野黨的委員會覺得你們又在做敵對的一個行為這點當然是很辛苦不過我們還是要堅持做對的事情這個該做的還是要做所以109年之後比較急迫性目前都採分散私立法在兒少保護或相關的一些\n放諸四海皆准的一些迫切的議題其實都已經在衛福部相關的法令以後性剝削條例也好大概都已經完成立法對 所以有做的事情也應該要積極宣傳這樣你們才知道NCC的定位在哪裡好 這部分我們會來繼續加強好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.738 --> 00:14.983\n謝謝主席有請陳代理主委好陳代主委委員好主委長辛苦主委我想這個我們的這個\n\n00:17.364 --> 00:37.480\n國家通訊傳播委員會的委員空轉已經五個月了當然我們知道行政院長、主委院長最近有明確提出要確定人選的一個提案但是到目前為止還在等候名單我想剛剛我們有許多的委員也都有特別關切這個事情\n\n00:38.200 --> 00:54.257\n那所以我想我們還是期待行政院趕快提出名單但是也請我們藍白委員不要惡意杯葛啦這個沒有人就沒辦法做事情啦我們也是盡快希望這個名單能夠確定之後然後整個讓我們整個監理制度整個\n\n00:55.891 --> 01:11.392\nNCC的運作能夠正常順利但是到目前為止主委我們目前貴會剩下3席委員那這段時間面臨的一個實質決策跟一個推動的一個困難的問題我們怎麼去克服這些的狀況\n\n01:12.642 --> 01:40.736\n就是我們在去年7月31號以前有修改了一些相關的授權規定就是在組織法9條2項6款的全法律保留的事項之外我們有授權說在代理組委或委員會議無法組成情況之下一樣可以處理所以目前大概是我們就可以處理部分都持續來處理那不能處理委員會議保留事項部分我們也會請同仁一定要做到\n\n01:41.796 --> 02:08.622\n上委員會前的幕僚階段的作業都要完成就像我一直跟外界舉的例子假設到委員會的是要跑100公尺我們都希望能跑到90公尺就是我們還是照這個該走的程序在進行然後到最後再來做處理啦是主委我想這個問題當然就是我們也是希望能夠盡快解決不過在於這個整個這個\n\n02:11.966 --> 02:30.319\n櫃會確實在不管是交通部就是在這個整個內閣來講這個好像看起來是我們在野黨很有興趣的一個單位我想這個當然有一些的時空背景不過真的不能再拖延下去了畢竟我們的背景很重要那另外我想針對這個\n\n02:32.080 --> 02:57.716\n新聞更正跟答辯權的制度再請教一下主委主委我想我自己本身也是媒體出身那我認為新聞自由是民主的根本價值那所以說話的自由應該是雙向的不是只有單向的一個回應那目前我們的這個新聞更正跟答辯的一個制度多數仰賴於媒體的自律或是NCC的行政指導跟德國法國還是不一樣\n\n02:58.556 --> 03:05.110\n那主委認為我們這個部分是不是應該參考歐陸的一個制度建立一個更明確的一個程序跟實現\n\n03:06.601 --> 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