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00:00:43,632\n這部分因為是公務手機好像是一千多塊吧一千多塊那有遇到限速的情形嗎在使用中使用的時候它有方案有好幾種我的部分好像是沒有限速的完全沒有限速那您自己在實際使用上您覺得5G跟4G它的差別大嗎\n\n3\n00:00:45,031 --> 00:00:59,719\n在速度上在大寬頻這一塊它是比4G要好沒錯是因為本席今天先問主委這幾個問題是要跟您討論就是我國5G的推動它實際的進展還有使用者的感受\n\n4\n00:01:00,379 --> 00:01:26,074\n那5G通訊在2020年7月1號正式開通那到現在將近5年了那根據SCC2024年第4季的行動通訊市場統計全國5G的用戶數有1000多萬1016.5萬戶那主委請問您這1000多萬戶有多少是不限數真正吃到飽的使用者您知道嗎這邊我不是很清楚我要請我們副處長看看他手上有沒有資料OK好\n\n5\n00:01:30,037 --> 00:01:56,231\n報告委員因為這個是依據使用者習慣那我們大概知道現在目前在大部分人還是用吃到飽部分還是選擇4G為主那5G吃到飽就是一些比較譬如說商用或者是他個人需求所以這樣子看下來不限速真正吃到飽的使用者我們是沒有辦法去做統計嗎那這個用戶中那您知道就是有包含5G限速的方案用戶有多少嗎是不是有包含\n\n6\n00:01:57,745 --> 00:02:27,168\n就是統計我們這個統計整體的5G啦那當然就是這個包含包含限數或不限數都含在這5G裡面那至於要不要再區分那個細節的部分這我們可能在另外再跟業者在做討論啦好我是聶本熙也看到另外一份報告我們目前台灣4G的用戶有1952.9萬戶那比5G多出了936.4萬戶那我們可以看到這落差非常大嘛那5G都已經\n\n7\n00:02:28,408 --> 00:02:56,462\n推動快五年了那到底說應該會逐漸取代4G那事實上我們沒有看到我們沒有看到他有明顯的成長那主委您認為造成5G用戶他的用戶數始終沒有辦法突破是因為什麼原因最主要原因是5G的Killerapplication目前還沒有還沒有很明顯的這個這個這個殺手的應用沒有出現所以4G他的供應性一般上網供應性對他而言落差沒有很大所以一般\n\n8\n00:02:57,142 --> 00:03:08,654\n提到是這個application那你有沒有想過是因為資費太高還是限數太多或者是用戶他實際體驗他覺得這個體驗感受不是很好還是基礎我們基礎的建設未來還有預期您是怎麼看\n\n9\n00:03:10,736 --> 00:03:34,351\n支費是一個原因但是因為當初他們競標也是花了天價來競標那也會對應到他們網路建設的成本的一些反應那這邊主要還是5G因為很多都是購機專案您剛才提到就是因為您目前使用的是公務手機您不知道實際的支費是多少那目前赤道堡是1399那您知道4G的赤道堡費率大概是多少錢嗎\n\n10\n00:03:36,388 --> 00:03:56,335\n早期也是差不多但是相對比較低都是1000塊以下現在5G的費率幾乎是4G的兩倍那通常就是600多塊的區間那我們可以看到5G它的評估它競標是在2020年2月21號完成那主委您知道第一階段的競標總金額是多少嗎\n\n11\n00:03:58,568 --> 00:04:17,225\n我印象中好像競票金額好像是一千多萬差多了是一千三百八十億當時的競票金額是我當作口誤口誤那第二階段的競票金額您大概知道是多少錢嗎我是一階段二階段加起來好像是都是有所的天價啦\n\n12\n00:04:17,836 --> 00:04:34,548\n是那第二階段那當時是41.1億所以說這個總金額是1400多億那當時在109年的時候中央政府總預算NCC當時編列僅編列了440億作為市照的稅錄那實際上他收的超過三倍是1400\n\n13\n00:04:40,111 --> 00:05:02,840\n21.91億1421.91億這代表政府從這場試照的競標中超收了980多億那本席要提醒主委喔那在2020年的時候立法院就委員提出說要求NCC延誼是否可以將這筆巨額回饋給全民包含降低費率喔那我們可以看到當時提案的委員那我們看到距今超過五年了那NCC有沒有再做後續的討論\n\n14\n00:05:04,060 --> 00:05:19,090\n其實有後來就是有用另類轉換的方式來處理比方說請業者來加強這個偏鄉或中大建設的一些經濟台建設那這一塊後來移到蘇衛部那邊去都是後來有分三級的前瞻建設那邊主要就是\n\n15\n00:05:20,131 --> 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