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00:01:30,510\n我告訴你啦我們是從來不會反對跟美國合作但是呢我們合作的前提之下是必須要平等互利有底線而不是一昧的讓利貴之配合我們回顧一下這幾年美國是怎麼對待我們的我們開放萊豬\n\n5\n00:01:33,371 --> 00:01:53,717\n放寬農藥標準簽署了台美貿易倡議卻沒有任何一個保障條款我們接受了台灣學人法案允許美國的人進入到我們的政府體系你們最清楚然後我們將超過九成的外匯存底全部投入了美債\n\n6\n00:01:55,297 --> 00:02:15,926\n結果呢美國升息我們也吞下了賄損美國加徵關稅我們沒有得到減免也沒有任何一個經濟的保障或軍事的承諾現在我們行政院還想要不經過立法院就要成立主權基金請問一下\n\n7\n00:02:17,427 --> 00:02:21,470\n這個沒有骨氣的秘書長也藐視內政委員會的秘書長這些單方面的讓步讓美國再次偉大我們換到了什麼請您說清楚\n\n8\n00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:52,703\n報委我們所有的施政方向一定是以台灣的國家利益為重我們換到了什麼講清楚你不要用這些不明不白的語調在這邊欺騙我們所有的國百姓事實數據證明從2016年開始台美之間的合作非常的好台灣的經濟也創了歷史上非常高的很好的成績出來閉嘴看一下\n\n9\n00:02:53,484 --> 00:03:09,430\n我剛剛所說的這些東西都是最近這幾年發生的事情所有的人民百姓都記得非常的清楚我要再講的是台灣如果真的要成為全球的所謂的供應鏈的關鍵就應該要有什麼要有骨氣要有原則要有自己的主張而不是成為任何一個人予取予求的第51週\n\n10\n00:03:21,494 --> 00:03:30,482\n我們看看新加坡看看日本他們對美國也有壓力啊但是呢人家是怎麼樣捍衛他們的國家立場而你們呢我們的國家官員呢既然高喊要讓別人再次偉大台灣要強大不是靠討好美國啦是要靠守住我們人民的利益跟尊嚴\n\n11\n00:03:48,530 --> 00:03:58,743\n我真的毫不客氣的說你們對外卑躬屈膝但是你們對內對自己的人卻是非常的囂張跋扈請問秘書長你知道49天是什麼意思嗎49天對你知道嗎不知道\n\n12\n00:04:05,674 --> 00:04:23,769\n這是行政院違法掃編禁法補償預算然後在我們在野黨團強力的監督之下被迫就承認了他的錯誤白紙黑字承諾要追加預算的天數\n\n13\n00:04:25,325 --> 00:04:53,803\n剛好49天所以呢你們寧可拖延總預算審查也不願再次面對原住民最基本的補償這一意思對吧1月10號的時候你們再次書面承諾看一下你們承諾會追加預算而人民會呢也在3月10號依法提出了23.9億元的申請請問秘書長目前追加預算的進度怎麼樣我今天就要解凍你的預算\n\n14\n00:04:55,243 --> 00:05:13,910\n我們是盡量當然就是說我剛才已經說明了就是說進化補償從每公頃3萬塊變成6萬塊那我們事實上原民會也盡力的編定了28億什麼叫盡力了依法要編多少你們只編一半\n\n15\n00:05:15,050 --> 00:05:35,075\n你們只編3萬塊另外的3萬塊不見了所以才會有今天49天然後今天才會再凍結你的預算所以今天才會有所需的經費要採追加預算方式辦理請問一下你們追加預算簽了嗎園民會已經送到行政院了\n\n16\n00:05:36,202 --> 00:05:58,194\n我想最重要還是說讓原民可以得到一公頃六萬塊這個市值我們會盡量做好這件事情請再看所需經費彩追加預算方式辦理追加預算方式辦理黑紙白白紙黑字在這裡你們現在不敢講了是不是為什麼因為你們曾經對其他的立法委員說這位立法委員就是張志倫委員\n\n17\n00:06:05,538 --> 00:06:11,489\n你們說因為憲法訴訟進行所以不可以追加請問一下行政院有提證實處分嗎\n\n18\n00:06:13,755 --> 00:06:42,633\n有嗎我們已經提出釋憲你們有提暫時處分嗎提出釋憲釋憲跟暫時處分是兩回事情根據憲法訴訟法的第43條只有大法官核定暫時處分才能夠暫停預算的執行你們也根本沒有申請啊然後你們卻對張志倫委員說要凍結預算所以沒有辦法追加你們這個不是依法行政你們是欺騙啊你們是霸凌啊\n\n19\n00:06:43,473 --> 00:06:57,916\n按照你們的說法,是不是現在立法院所有的九條案都毫無意義了呢?因為沒有任何的法律效率更離譜的是,你們是違法在先現在卻還敢裝自己是受害人,二人限告狀請問一下,你們有跟大法官承認你們掃邊禁法補償的預算嗎?有嗎?\n\n20\n00:07:06,601 --> 00:07:24,691\n我們提的事件有很多很多的理由啦你們沒有依法編足啊在立法院經法補償一公頃六萬塊是法律先通過的啊根本你們沒有依法編足啊你們眼裡面還有法律嗎再來你們報告說基金還有45億\n\n21\n00:07:26,392 --> 00:07:49,283\n就在上週我在這裡所有的內政委員都在原民會主委就說基金的現金只剩下14.6億他也說基金不夠恐怕會影響所有的業務然後他更擔心的是基金破產好在本席提了一個拯救基金的法案他也非常的支持\n\n22\n00:07:50,163 --> 00:08:03,949\n我相信國人都看得非常的清楚你們行政院對外是逢迎對內是傲慢對原住民是毫無重視連原民會的困境你們都視而不見\n\n23\n00:08:06,891 --> 00:08:12,035\n進訪補償到現在已經拖延了201天了行政院你們不僅僅是失職你們還企圖賴賬23點就9億元從哪裡領從哪裡領追加預算方式追加預算方式還有什麼方式你說你說一個再說一個嘛\n\n24\n00:08:31,773 --> 00:08:43,003\n你們剛才提到的基金先撥補然後我們再撥補基金是一種方式基金只是要多少啦你要讓基金破產嗎你要讓基金的錢都沒有用到別的地方去嗎不會破產不會你們行政院怎麼可以這麼二把這麼說謊明明的白紙黑字要用追加預算方式辦理你們卻不要你們這是違法亂紀我今天決定要再繼續凍結你們的預算\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8113\t19663\t謝謝有請藐視內政委員會的鞏民署長鞏民署長您如果沒有跟內政委員會的委員道歉藐視這兩個字會永遠跟隨你五月的時候你出席朱梅代表處的歡迎酒會你知道你說了什麼嗎\n31346\t43834\t我說了很多事情我不曉得你指的哪一個你說台美合作可以促成美國再次的偉大這句話我認為不僅僅是失言更是嚴重的國格矮化\n45121\t73383\t讓美國再次偉大這是川普他的選戰口號您是中華民國的官員你不是美國競選團隊的發言人請問你講這句話的時候是代表你個人還是代表國家的利益因為台美合作不僅會美國再次偉大也會幫助台灣壯大這是互相互利的你知道美國再次偉大是剝削全世界剝削台灣人民嗎台美的合作不會這樣\n74324\t90510\t我告訴你啦 我們是從來不會反對跟美國合作但是呢 我們合作的前提之下是必須要平等 互利 有底線而不是一昧的讓利 貴之配合我們回顧一下這幾年 美國是怎麼對待我們的我們開放萊豬\n93371\t113717\t放寬農藥標準簽署了台美貿易倡議卻沒有任何一個保障條款我們接受了台灣學人法案允許美國的人進入到我們的政府體系你們最清楚然後我們將超過九成的外匯存底全部投入了美債\n115297\t135926\t結果呢美國升息我們也吞下了賄損美國加徵關稅我們沒有得到減免也沒有任何一個經濟的保障或軍事的承諾現在我們行政院還想要不經過立法院就要成立主權基金請問一下\n137427\t141470\t這個沒有骨氣的秘書長也藐視內政委員會的秘書長這些單方面的讓步讓美國再次偉大我們換到了什麼請您說清楚\n149760\t172703\t報委 我們所有的施政方向一定是以台灣的國家利益為重我們換到了什麼 講清楚你不要用這些不明不白的語調在這邊欺騙我們所有的國百姓事實數據證明從2016年開始台美之間的合作非常的好台灣的經濟也創了歷史上非常高的很好的成績出來閉嘴 看一下\n173484\t189430\t我剛剛所說的這些東西都是最近這幾年發生的事情所有的人民百姓都記得非常的清楚我要再講的是台灣如果真的要成為全球的所謂的供應鏈的關鍵就應該要有什麼要有骨氣要有原則要有自己的主張而不是成為任何一個人予取予求的第51週\n201494\t210482\t我們看看新加坡看看日本他們對美國也有壓力啊但是呢人家是怎麼樣捍衛他們的國家立場而你們呢我們的國家官員呢既然高喊要讓別人再次偉大台灣要強大不是靠討好美國啦是要靠守住我們人民的利益跟尊嚴\n228530\t238743\t我真的毫不客氣的說你們對外卑躬屈膝但是你們對內對自己的人卻是非常的囂張跋扈請問秘書長你知道49天是什麼意思嗎49天對你知道嗎不知道\n245674\t263769\t這是行政院違法掃編禁法補償預算然後在我們在野黨團強力的監督之下被迫就承認了他的錯誤白紙黑字承諾要追加預算的天數\n265325\t293803\t剛好49天所以呢你們寧可拖延總預算審查也不願再次面對原住民最基本的補償這一意思對吧1月10號的時候你們再次書面承諾看一下你們承諾會追加預算而人民會呢也在3月10號依法提出了23.9億元的申請請問秘書長目前追加預算的進度怎麼樣我今天就要解凍你的預算\n295243\t313910\t我們是盡量當然就是說我剛才已經說明了就是說進化補償從每公頃3萬塊變成6萬塊那我們事實上原民會也盡力的編定了28億什麼叫盡力了依法要編多少你們只編一半\n315050\t335075\t你們只編3萬塊另外的3萬塊不見了所以才會有今天49天然後今天才會再凍結你的預算所以今天才會有所需的經費要採追加預算方式辦理請問一下你們追加預算簽了嗎 園民會已經送到行政院了\n336202\t358194\t我想最重要還是說讓原民可以得到一公頃六萬塊這個市值我們會盡量做好這件事情請再看所需經費彩追加預算方式辦理追加預算方式辦理黑紙白白紙黑字在這裡你們現在不敢講了是不是為什麼因為你們曾經對其他的立法委員說這位立法委員就是張志倫委員\n365538\t371489\t你們說因為憲法訴訟進行所以不可以追加請問一下行政院有提證實處分嗎\n373755\t402633\t有嗎我們已經提出釋憲你們有提暫時處分嗎提出釋憲釋憲跟暫時處分是兩回事情根據憲法訴訟法的第43條只有大法官核定暫時處分才能夠暫停預算的執行你們也根本沒有申請啊然後你們卻對張志倫委員說要凍結預算所以沒有辦法追加你們這個不是依法行政你們是欺騙啊你們是霸凌啊\n403473\t417916\t按照你們的說法,是不是現在立法院所有的九條案都毫無意義了呢?因為沒有任何的法律效率更離譜的是,你們是違法在先現在卻還敢裝自己是受害人,二人限告狀請問一下,你們有跟大法官承認你們掃邊禁法補償的預算嗎?有嗎?\n426601\t444691\t我們提的事件有很多很多的理由啦你們沒有依法編足啊在立法院經法補償一公頃六萬塊是法律先通過的啊根本你們沒有依法編足啊你們眼裡面還有法律嗎再來你們報告說基金還有45億\n446392\t469283\t就在上週我在這裡 所有的內政委員都在原民會主委就說 基金的現金只剩下14.6億他也說基金不夠 恐怕會影響所有的業務然後他更擔心的是基金破產好在本席提了一個拯救基金的法案 他也非常的支持\n470163\t483949\t我相信國人都看得非常的清楚你們行政院對外是逢迎對內是傲慢對原住民是毫無重視連原民會的困境你們都視而不見\n486891\t492035\t進訪補償到現在已經拖延了201天了行政院你們不僅僅是失職你們還企圖賴賬23點就9億元從哪裡領從哪裡領追加預算方式追加預算方式還有什麼方式你說你說一個 再說一個嘛\n511773\t523003\t你們剛才提到的基金先撥補然後我們再撥補基金是一種方式基金只是要多少啦你要讓基金破產嗎你要讓基金的錢都沒有用到別的地方去嗎不會破產不會你們行政院怎麼可以這麼二把這麼說謊明明的白紙黑字要用追加預算方式辦理你們卻不要你們這是違法亂紀我今天決定要再繼續凍結你們的預算\n","txt":"謝謝有請藐視內政委員會的鞏民署長鞏民署長您如果沒有跟內政委員會的委員道歉藐視這兩個字會永遠跟隨你五月的時候你出席朱梅代表處的歡迎酒會你知道你說了什麼嗎\n我說了很多事情我不曉得你指的哪一個你說台美合作可以促成美國再次的偉大這句話我認為不僅僅是失言更是嚴重的國格矮化\n讓美國再次偉大這是川普他的選戰口號您是中華民國的官員你不是美國競選團隊的發言人請問你講這句話的時候是代表你個人還是代表國家的利益因為台美合作不僅會美國再次偉大也會幫助台灣壯大這是互相互利的你知道美國再次偉大是剝削全世界剝削台灣人民嗎台美的合作不會這樣\n我告訴你啦 我們是從來不會反對跟美國合作但是呢 我們合作的前提之下是必須要平等 互利 有底線而不是一昧的讓利 貴之配合我們回顧一下這幾年 美國是怎麼對待我們的我們開放萊豬\n放寬農藥標準簽署了台美貿易倡議卻沒有任何一個保障條款我們接受了台灣學人法案允許美國的人進入到我們的政府體系你們最清楚然後我們將超過九成的外匯存底全部投入了美債\n結果呢美國升息我們也吞下了賄損美國加徵關稅我們沒有得到減免也沒有任何一個經濟的保障或軍事的承諾現在我們行政院還想要不經過立法院就要成立主權基金請問一下\n這個沒有骨氣的秘書長也藐視內政委員會的秘書長這些單方面的讓步讓美國再次偉大我們換到了什麼請您說清楚\n報委 我們所有的施政方向一定是以台灣的國家利益為重我們換到了什麼 講清楚你不要用這些不明不白的語調在這邊欺騙我們所有的國百姓事實數據證明從2016年開始台美之間的合作非常的好台灣的經濟也創了歷史上非常高的很好的成績出來閉嘴 看一下\n我剛剛所說的這些東西都是最近這幾年發生的事情所有的人民百姓都記得非常的清楚我要再講的是台灣如果真的要成為全球的所謂的供應鏈的關鍵就應該要有什麼要有骨氣要有原則要有自己的主張而不是成為任何一個人予取予求的第51週\n我們看看新加坡看看日本他們對美國也有壓力啊但是呢人家是怎麼樣捍衛他們的國家立場而你們呢我們的國家官員呢既然高喊要讓別人再次偉大台灣要強大不是靠討好美國啦是要靠守住我們人民的利益跟尊嚴\n我真的毫不客氣的說你們對外卑躬屈膝但是你們對內對自己的人卻是非常的囂張跋扈請問秘書長你知道49天是什麼意思嗎49天對你知道嗎不知道\n這是行政院違法掃編禁法補償預算然後在我們在野黨團強力的監督之下被迫就承認了他的錯誤白紙黑字承諾要追加預算的天數\n剛好49天所以呢你們寧可拖延總預算審查也不願再次面對原住民最基本的補償這一意思對吧1月10號的時候你們再次書面承諾看一下你們承諾會追加預算而人民會呢也在3月10號依法提出了23.9億元的申請請問秘書長目前追加預算的進度怎麼樣我今天就要解凍你的預算\n我們是盡量當然就是說我剛才已經說明了就是說進化補償從每公頃3萬塊變成6萬塊那我們事實上原民會也盡力的編定了28億什麼叫盡力了依法要編多少你們只編一半\n你們只編3萬塊另外的3萬塊不見了所以才會有今天49天然後今天才會再凍結你的預算所以今天才會有所需的經費要採追加預算方式辦理請問一下你們追加預算簽了嗎 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00:43.834\n我說了很多事情我不曉得你指的哪一個你說台美合作可以促成美國再次的偉大這句話我認為不僅僅是失言更是嚴重的國格矮化\n\n00:45.121 --> 01:13.383\n讓美國再次偉大這是川普他的選戰口號您是中華民國的官員你不是美國競選團隊的發言人請問你講這句話的時候是代表你個人還是代表國家的利益因為台美合作不僅會美國再次偉大也會幫助台灣壯大這是互相互利的你知道美國再次偉大是剝削全世界剝削台灣人民嗎台美的合作不會這樣\n\n01:14.324 --> 01:30.510\n我告訴你啦我們是從來不會反對跟美國合作但是呢我們合作的前提之下是必須要平等互利有底線而不是一昧的讓利貴之配合我們回顧一下這幾年美國是怎麼對待我們的我們開放萊豬\n\n01:33.371 --> 01:53.717\n放寬農藥標準簽署了台美貿易倡議卻沒有任何一個保障條款我們接受了台灣學人法案允許美國的人進入到我們的政府體系你們最清楚然後我們將超過九成的外匯存底全部投入了美債\n\n01:55.297 --> 02:15.926\n結果呢美國升息我們也吞下了賄損美國加徵關稅我們沒有得到減免也沒有任何一個經濟的保障或軍事的承諾現在我們行政院還想要不經過立法院就要成立主權基金請問一下\n\n02:17.427 --> 02:21.470\n這個沒有骨氣的秘書長也藐視內政委員會的秘書長這些單方面的讓步讓美國再次偉大我們換到了什麼請您說清楚\n\n02:29.760 --> 02:52.703\n報委我們所有的施政方向一定是以台灣的國家利益為重我們換到了什麼講清楚你不要用這些不明不白的語調在這邊欺騙我們所有的國百姓事實數據證明從2016年開始台美之間的合作非常的好台灣的經濟也創了歷史上非常高的很好的成績出來閉嘴看一下\n\n02:53.484 --> 03:09.430\n我剛剛所說的這些東西都是最近這幾年發生的事情所有的人民百姓都記得非常的清楚我要再講的是台灣如果真的要成為全球的所謂的供應鏈的關鍵就應該要有什麼要有骨氣要有原則要有自己的主張而不是成為任何一個人予取予求的第51週\n\n03:21.494 --> 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