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00:03:26,481\n学校的农路的这些基层最有感的项目来威胁这不是预算的调整这是政治的啰嗦去年中央部会文宣创新高参与参参参理费还有业务费更是年年就是一直在提升人少了但是呢服务也少了但是业务费都是\n\n10\n00:03:28,303 --> 00:03:30,624\n創新高為什麼不從這些地方來去刪除偏偏就是要砍掉我們地方的救命錢所以這個部分我們請我們的秘書長回應一下\n\n11\n00:03:46,721 --> 00:04:04,634\n其實所有的施政已經是依法行政所以當大院通過了三讀預算的時候我們這第一時間就表達說會有自愛難行之處尤其這個636億因為過去沒有這麼大額的要自行刪減這是沒有辦法處理的事情所以我們也提出復議\n\n12\n00:04:05,675 --> 00:04:27,990\n但是我們明確的講,明確我們是刪除中央的我們地方一毛都不刪,但是我們中央部會呢自己的吃喝玩樂的,就是沒有去刪就是偏偏要去刪人民需要的地方行政院的業務費被你們刪減的非常非常之多\n\n13\n00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:56,891\n今年是創新高人也沒有服務那麼多我們人民人越來越少但是你們的經費越來越高總預算提案表白就是提案就是白紙黑字三的是中央及機關及所屬才化法第30條修法後也明定中央政府給予地方\n\n14\n00:04:58,140 --> 00:05:16,795\n政府的一般性補助款金額不得少於修正實前前的一年的預算變略數中央補助地方法規第十二十三條跟規定中央政府也不得任意\n\n15\n00:05:18,236 --> 00:05:32,508\n刪減地方的補助款秘書長你們統三的補助款讓苗栗雲林基隆還有各縣市地方已經陷入財政危機你覺得是否有違法呢\n\n16\n00:05:36,206 --> 00:05:42,931\n沒有我們一定會幫忙地方如果有任何需要中央一定會幫忙但是我剛才提到的這個636億我們要依三讀大院的這個三讀預算我們來辦理你說啊三讀預算來辦理但是剛才你又說什麼我們三讀通過你自愛難行對自愛難行黑白都是你說的這一款這一些補租款\n\n17\n00:06:02,387 --> 00:06:14,496\n就是大砍你們不是你們大砍地方但是你們不是先協商也不是先溝通而是就是在事業底匆匆忙忙發一個喊一通\n\n18\n00:06:18,058 --> 00:06:27,361\n一直就是通知地方說5月起就直接扣款這是哪一個國家的行政程序啊這是動作根本就是先砍再說這樣子在正常治理國家嗎而且你們就是程序正當性嗎完全是就是全砍\n\n19\n00:06:39,502 --> 00:06:44,205\n就是這樣子的各縣市經費不夠行政院你知道嗎所以說還有根本都不在乎我們地方的苦還有你們就是有進行的這樣子的影響評估嗎為什麼這樣子胡來是認為說不用對我們的人民交代嗎還有說我們民進黨全面執政時呢在2024年指三地方補助\n\n20\n00:07:07,140 --> 00:07:09,604\n款只有4%现在呢在野党监督就却大砍了27.3%这个什么标准啊双标嘛这是你们地方政府这样子的一个\n\n21\n00:07:22,241 --> 00:07:41,249\n這就是讓我們地方政府要有心理準備這個什麼什麼傲慢的邏輯啊當鄉通治當鄉通治沒有達到共識啊這樣的結果就顯示出當初大筆一揮刪掉了939億那個是不適當的才會造成今天的結果\n\n22\n00:07:42,612 --> 00:07:48,096\n這個是你拿人民的血汗錢來去砍我們砍的是中央吃喝玩樂對不對但是我們最反感的是說你們高高招商就像現在那種態度所以呢我們行政院三讀通過你也說通過了三讀通過依法行政但是你們要無視立法院的決議還繼續違法扣款\n\n23\n00:08:08,010 --> 00:08:13,492\n這樣何時補足何時補助當然我們要追查嘛追問嘛為什麼要提出臨時動議就是因為我們已經三讀通過也要依法行政你也講依法行政但是還是沒有依法行政所以今天才要提出這樣的預算我們覺得啦我們就是政府這樣子的一個間接了\n\n24\n00:08:31,738 --> 00:08:34,621\n的規劃從規劃預算從規劃預算到審查預算到現在為止我們看到的是你挖一個陷阱挖一個就是擺明就是把民眾地方的民眾來開刀了了幾張就會想說預算過去但是地方呢申請了\n\n25\n00:08:55,859 --> 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我們就是政府這樣子的一個間接了\n511738\t514621\t的規劃從規劃預算從規劃預算到審查預算到現在為止我們看到的是你挖一個陷阱挖一個就是擺明就是把民眾地方的民眾來開刀了了幾張就會想說預算過去但是地方呢申請了\n535859\t539083\t都要花很多時間這不是預算上的問題而是制度以態度的錯誤行政院不僅是選擇最讓基層的人民遭殃還一再的錯誤的代價丟給地方甩鍋再也打這種政治操作真的\n555562\t567586\t讓人民讓基層要做事的人真的是很難過民眾要的不是政治口水不是你們在這樣子的時間一直在講這些事情但是你們這個變成一個陰謀的一個設計讓我們地方政府受苦就是你們一開始就要這樣子了我們不介紹行政機關\n579649\t590752\t讓人民為你們的籌碼更不容忍中央對地方的財政霸凌這是我們嚴重的抗議對我們行政院還有秘書長希望我們今天的預算我們也不同意通過 謝謝\n","txt":"主席好 有請公民署長好 請民主署長麥委員好\n我們今天執行就是為替全台22個縣市廣大基層的民眾討回公道你們把立法院刪除的636億元全數轉嫁到地方政府的一般性補助款\n全台灣22個縣市補助款一例被砍了25%以上一個都沒有放過立法院刪除的是中央政府及所屬機關的預算沒動地方補助款半毛錢是你們行政院一花接木把中央部會的該砍的責任\n因塞給地方請問秘書長這是執政黨實施的方針嗎用我們總召的話來說這是什麼無法無天的土匪行徑濫用職權行政院到處放話說都是應該是執政黨害的才對\n搞得朝野對立 南北分裂苗栗縣被砍了28.1億 財政已經快喘不過氣來雲林縣又砍了37.6億 刪除讓我們的農水路還有交通全部卡關\n基隆市被砍了24.3億只能停辦煙火活動請教一下你們是想讓地方建設就是\n這樣子斷吹嗎讓基層民眾吞苦水就無法活下去行政院不是沒錢是不願意負責最會招搖的吳士堯委員說是立法院刪除了939億行政院才沒辦法請問立法院刪除的是你們中央自己的預算\n誰叫你們把這個責任丟給地方呢這不是你們第一次這樣操作過去在立法院刪除中央的預算時我們內政部長也是這樣子威脅我們的人民說什麼豬補助發不出來現在又一樣就是故知重施拿我們長期長照就是\n学校的农路的这些基层最有感的项目来威胁这不是预算的调整这是政治的啰嗦去年中央部会文宣创新高参与参参参理费还有业务费更是年年就是一直在提升人少了但是呢服务也少了但是业务费都是\n創新高為什麼不從這些地方來去刪除偏偏就是要砍掉我們地方的救命錢所以這個部分我們請我們的秘書長回應一下\n其實所有的施政已經是依法行政所以當大院通過了三讀預算的時候我們這第一時間就表達說會有自愛難行之處尤其這個636億因為過去沒有這麼大額的要自行刪減這是沒有辦法處理的事情所以我們也提出復議\n但是我們明確的講,明確我們是刪除中央的我們地方一毛都不刪,但是我們中央部會呢自己的吃喝玩樂的,就是沒有去刪就是偏偏要去刪人民需要的地方行政院的業務費被你們刪減的非常非常之多\n今年是創新高人也沒有服務那麼多我們人民人越來越少但是你們的經費越來越高總預算提案表白就是提案就是白紙黑字三的是中央及機關及所屬才化法第30條修法後也明定中央政府給予地方\n政府的一般性補助款金額不得少於修正實前前的一年的預算變略數中央補助地方法規第十二十三條跟規定中央政府也不得任意\n刪減地方的補助款秘書長 你們統三的補助款讓苗栗雲林基隆還有各縣市地方已經陷入財政危機你覺得是否有違法呢\n沒有 我們一定會幫忙 地方如果有任何需要 中央一定會幫忙但是我剛才提到的這個636億 我們要依三讀大院的這個三讀預算 我們來辦理你說啊 三讀預算來辦理 但是剛才你又說什麼我們三讀通過 你自愛難行對 自愛難行黑白都是你說的 這一款 這一些補租款\n就是大砍你們不是你們大砍地方但是你們不是先協商也不是先溝通而是就是在事業底匆匆忙忙發一個喊一通\n一直就是通知地方說5月起就直接扣款這是哪一個國家的行政程序啊這是動作根本就是先砍再說這樣子在正常治理國家嗎而且你們就是程序正當性嗎完全是就是全砍\n就是這樣子的各縣市經費不夠行政院你知道嗎所以說還有根本都不在乎我們地方的苦還有你們就是有進行的這樣子的影響評估嗎為什麼這樣子胡來是認為說不用對我們的人民交代嗎還有說我們民進黨全面執政時呢在2024年指三地方補助\n款只有4%现在呢在野党监督就却大砍了27.3%这个什么标准啊双标嘛这是你们地方政府这样子的一个\n這就是讓我們地方政府要有心理準備這個什麼什麼傲慢的邏輯啊 當鄉通治當鄉通治沒有達到共識啊這樣的結果就顯示出當初大筆一揮刪掉了939億那個是不適當的才會造成今天的結果\n這個是你拿人民的血汗錢來去砍我們砍的是中央吃喝玩樂對不對但是我們最反感的是說你們高高招商就像現在那種態度所以呢我們行政院三讀通過你也說通過了三讀通過依法行政但是你們要無視立法院的決議還繼續違法扣款\n這樣何時補足 何時補助當然我們要追查嘛 追問嘛 為什麼要提出臨時動議就是因為我們已經三讀通過 也要依法行政你也講依法行政 但是還是沒有依法行政所以今天才要提出這樣的預算我們覺得啦 我們就是政府這樣子的一個間接了\n的規劃從規劃預算從規劃預算到審查預算到現在為止我們看到的是你挖一個陷阱挖一個就是擺明就是把民眾地方的民眾來開刀了了幾張就會想說預算過去但是地方呢申請了\n都要花很多時間這不是預算上的問題而是制度以態度的錯誤行政院不僅是選擇最讓基層的人民遭殃還一再的錯誤的代價丟給地方甩鍋再也打這種政治操作真的\n讓人民讓基層要做事的人真的是很難過民眾要的不是政治口水不是你們在這樣子的時間一直在講這些事情但是你們這個變成一個陰謀的一個設計讓我們地方政府受苦就是你們一開始就要這樣子了我們不介紹行政機關\n讓人民為你們的籌碼更不容忍中央對地方的財政霸凌這是我們嚴重的抗議對我們行政院還有秘書長希望我們今天的預算我們也不同意通過 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.865 --> 00:10.015\n主席好有請公民署長好請民主署長麥委員好\n\n00:17.181 --> 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