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00:01:34,811\n他們都替我們行政院當了解到地方的需求了解地方需要建設了解地方跟阿拉川省整個省下來向中央來告告到地方的需求來向中央來請出經費來替我們地方來建設還有當我們這個統籌分配款這也是過去一直以來就是都由中央來支付給我們管理政府的這也是正確的\n\n5\n00:01:49,673 --> 00:02:02,091\n正確嗎正確當這次的綜藝省裡面我會記得當我們這個工作給我們地方的同儲分配款是一甲都沒有刪掉嗎對嗎\n\n6\n00:02:06,195 --> 00:02:22,704\n報告委員主委總書這邊跟您說明一下就是在我國的這個政府的體系裡面來講的話中央政府跟地方政府都是獨立的公法人都是獨立有民選去運作的所以地方政府雲林縣政府他本來就要依照地方制度法去\n\n7\n00:02:23,504 --> 00:02:38,525\n去實施他的地方自治事項那地方自治事項該負擔的經費也要由雲林縣政府來負擔那只是說有時候可能在地方政府在裁員上面有所困難的時候所以他需要中央來做協助所以中央在預算裡面會編列補助款\n\n8\n00:02:40,647 --> 00:03:09,787\n所以補助款只是說是地方政府的事情那我中央在財政上給予支援那這支援必須要看我中央的財政能力的狀況我可以支援到什麼狀況那理論上地方政府的該補關的錢你這樣說我們政府我們政府稅收的稅金我們就可以自己留著就好了是沒錯我們可以自己留著我們不用上繳中央國庫如果再依照這個財務法規定的地方稅當然是地方收地方去用沒錯\n\n9\n00:03:10,527 --> 00:03:11,028\n只是裡面有一個統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統\n\n10\n00:03:39,911 --> 00:03:40,453\n依靠你了\n\n11\n00:03:42,533 --> 00:04:09,623\n我跟委員報告這個統籌分配稅款是可能就是從所得稅提撥出來或會務稅跟這個土地政治稅提撥出來你建議區議會讓我們分明管政府多少個統籌分配稅款是財政部負責他不編入我們中央政府的總預算不是我們主計處加不是是財政部負責的我們主計處這邊是代行政院在處理這個一般性補助款的部分一般性補助款的部分好這樣我就請我們基屬長\n\n12\n00:04:16,429 --> 00:04:37,511\n因為中央政府的預算裡面是不包含統籌分配因為統籌分配他是按照公式所以公式訂了以後該給多少財政部就直接撥給了地方政府那一定是有預計說明年要多少要給地方多少今年就要預計好還是今年就要規劃好的啊\n\n13\n00:04:38,252 --> 00:04:52,903\n因為投資分配款基本上它有一個公式它等到相關的一些稅的結果出來按照那個公式就知道說每一個縣市可以分配多少不是這樣啦我們那一年\n\n14\n00:04:55,245 --> 00:04:59,627\n我們中央政府要構造我們地方的這個同儲分配款喔其實那當今一年就都計算好了是啊是啊當今一年計算好了是啊我們今年我們中央要給我們分離的同儲分配款總共是一百三十七億是\n\n15\n00:05:10,872 --> 00:05:18,218\n一共有37億啦對啊結果我們黨我們這個中央政府我們整個的綜藝省我們將對這個統籌分配款將對在國際的綜藝省的股份我們一戶人都有去刪除到就是代表說可以順利讓我們中央教醫院一樣繼續構造我們地方的統籌分配款可以讓他們順利來執行到\n\n16\n00:05:39,535 --> 00:05:46,758\n我們之前的一些學務甚至學歷也好結果今年我們婦人館政府不要說婦人館政府而已啦全國的國管制我們行政院主動給三點二十七點三二塊婦人館的薪三十七塊六塊喔三十七億六啦三十七億六啦\n\n17\n00:06:02,366 --> 00:06:04,548\n我們要基礎建設,我們要照顧到我們這裡福利的,我們要跟法官有聯絡的情緒,我們一個省管有辦法一個省37億人\n\n18\n00:06:23,001 --> 00:06:26,566\n這對我們婦人館長今年後半年來要來執行到我們公屋要來執行到社會福利這樣是要怎麼執行這樣可以這樣把我們關起來\n\n19\n00:06:34,980 --> 00:06:41,142\n報告委員說老實話我們也覺得非常無奈大體通商的939億你說立法院選中央議員綜商不是每年才發生的綜商是每一年都發生但是那個額度都很小很小我們有辦法自己去調整你們有什麼問題你們可以比加強議員有什麼問題我主席對著我們今天的行政院我們這個中議省的解答案真的我們都很樂觀\n\n20\n00:07:04,989 --> 00:07:22,015\n你看國會都在解凍,國會都在解凍,有沒有遇到什麼困難?有疑問的大家再研究討論對啊,我們也是希望說,因為這經費對於行政單位來說是非常重要的醫生對於行政單位來說,真的是非常要緊的所以我們知道說,醫生的重要性\n\n21\n00:07:29,358 --> 00:07:52,826\n啊再加上我們會替中央政府消防衛生的重要性再加上我們地方管理政府的衛生的重要性這個道義在哪裡?這個公平性在哪裡?事實上我們中央政府對於地方政府事實上是大力支持所以如果加上您剛才提到的統籌分配本一般補助還有計劃型補助事實上我們編列的預算是總共加起來是超過一兆\n\n22\n00:07:53,866 --> 00:08:08,093\n那個都是要來支持地方的那但是因為我們中央政府的預算被砍那麼多的情況之下而且有這麼一大筆的六百多億必須要自行參選的情況之下這個做老實話是不如奈這是統三的過分啊統三的過分啊是啊是啊我們秘書長在說是統三的過分統三就是九百三十九億啊統三是由我們國國會全體國際的基礎或是全體府間或是從府間內我們可以下去去參選\n\n23\n00:08:23,737 --> 00:08:28,465\n不是說統三就是叫你們來統三管治政府的這個分科的款這樣我們管治政府再來後面的年度是要怎麼再繼續經營下去\n\n24\n00:08:35,878 --> 00:08:49,511\n我知道這件事不是秘書長你可以有辦法做決定我還要推動政府歡迎給你們聽還有一人不好意思還有我花一兩分鐘的時間來董委員剛才有在把我們秘書長提起的我們這個高中的產業研修這檔一掛十年的時候那時候我們秘書長在做\n\n25\n00:09:01,002 --> 00:09:03,305\n政府委員兼國會主任那時候是高中產業園區合併的時期我剛才聽到有院長和經濟局長討論盡快推動高中產業園區\n\n26\n00:09:19,713 --> 00:09:27,855\n除了炸高中就要發電了炸高中就要發電在這30年你們學生管政府已經去招商都很好了都很好了產業也在進駐管政府也一直在開始在發表到我們這個產業園區的這個工程啊希望遇到一個選舉天災地變來一切天災天災平平全都不一樣的這個高中產業園區\n\n27\n00:09:48,854 --> 00:09:51,435\n現在要變成那時候是九十幾個九十幾個做第一期讓我們婦人館政府環境就可以馬上進行現在說要一、兩個七十個開始進行推動我也是\n\n28\n00:10:05,839 --> 00:10:13,926\n支持啦我也是支持啦既然社會已經煮成功了我也是支持我們現在一兩百七十甲下去推動但是風勢風勢要怎麼加快要怎麼讓我們電影的發展會更快這就是要靠我們中央我們行政院我們經濟局我們農業局來專利來跟我們合作啦國真正的\n\n29\n00:10:30,459 --> 00:10:37,602\n現在年輕人有機會越來越少出外越多當我們故鄉的林考所越來越老年化年輕人的感覺在故鄉沒有機會這也不是你們想要看的也不是我們想期待的我們要把地方發生的事情要順便讓你們知道我們要替我們地方跟我們中央做一個溝通的橋樑希望我們過這個橋過到那邊下來的時候給你們的訊息希望你們可以\n\n30\n00:10:59,612 --> 00:10:59,752\n謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10998\t27201\t好,感謝主席,我剛才在單日就位才開始講好,這樣讓我們的秘書長休息一下我請我們的主計處旅處長跟我們行政院主計總處公務預算處的專門委員好,請兩位\n39398\t51729\t處長,地方公所的特殊單位是縣政府,所以他們的分配款是由縣政府分配給我們地方公所,對嗎?他們是在替我們地方公所做委員、學務的第一算,也替我們縣政府來做到郡鄉鎮的一個發展的一個規劃\n63098\t65742\t我們婦女館政府 國管局政府 他們的直屬單位就是中央立法院 行政院他們的直屬單位是不是所以\n78700\t94811\t他們都替我們行政院 當了解到地方的需求 了解地方需要建設 了解地方跟阿拉川省 整個省下來向中央來告告到地方的需求來向中央來請出經費 來替我們地方來建設還有 當我們這個統籌分配款 這也是過去一直以來就是都由中央來支付給我們管理政府的 這也是正確的\n109673\t122091\t正確嗎 正確 當這次的綜藝省裡面 我會記得當我們這個工作給我們地方的同儲分配款是一甲都沒有刪掉嗎 對嗎\n126195\t142704\t報告委員主委總書這邊跟您說明一下就是在我國的這個政府的體系裡面來講的話中央政府跟地方政府都是獨立的公法人都是獨立有民選去運作的所以地方政府雲林縣政府他本來就要依照地方制度法去\n143504\t158525\t去實施他的地方自治事項那地方自治事項該負擔的經費也要由雲林縣政府來負擔那只是說有時候可能在地方政府在裁員上面有所困難的時候所以他需要中央來做協助所以中央在預算裡面會編列補助款\n160647\t189787\t所以補助款只是說是地方政府的事情那我中央在財政上給予支援那這支援必須要看我中央的財政能力的狀況我可以支援到什麼狀況那理論上地方政府的該補關的錢你這樣說我們政府我們政府稅收的稅金我們就可以自己留著就好了是沒錯我們可以自己留著我們不用上繳中央國庫如果再依照這個財務法規定的地方稅當然是地方收地方去用沒錯\n190527\t191028\t只是裡面有一個統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統\n219911\t220453\t依靠你了\n222533\t249623\t我跟委員報告這個統籌分配稅款是可能就是從所得稅提撥出來或會務稅跟這個土地政治稅提撥出來你建議區議會讓我們分明管政府多少個統籌分配稅款是財政部負責他不編入我們中央政府的總預算不是我們主計處加不是是財政部負責的我們主計處這邊是代行政院在處理這個一般性補助款的部分一般性補助款的部分好這樣我就請我們基屬長\n256429\t277511\t因為中央政府的預算裡面是不包含統籌分配因為統籌分配他是按照公式所以公式訂了以後該給多少財政部就直接撥給了地方政府那一定是有預計說明年要多少要給地方多少今年就要預計好還是今年就要規劃好的啊\n278252\t292903\t因為投資分配款基本上它有一個公式它等到相關的一些稅的結果出來按照那個公式就知道說每一個縣市可以分配多少不是這樣啦我們那一年\n295245\t299627\t我們中央政府要構造我們地方的這個同儲分配款喔其實那當今一年就都計算好了是啊是啊當今一年計算好了是啊我們今年我們中央要給我們分離的同儲分配款總共是一百三十七億是\n310872\t318218\t一共有37億啦對啊 結果我們黨 我們這個中央政府我們整個的綜藝省我們將對這個統籌分配款將對在國際的綜藝省的股份我們一戶人都有去刪除到就是代表說可以順利讓我們中央教醫院一樣繼續構造我們地方的統籌分配款可以讓他們順利來執行到\n339535\t346758\t我們之前的一些學務甚至學歷也好結果今年我們婦人館政府不要說婦人館政府而已啦全國的國管制我們行政院主動給三點二十七點三二塊婦人館的薪三十七塊六塊喔三十七億六啦三十七億六啦\n362366\t364548\t我們要基礎建設,我們要照顧到我們這裡福利的,我們要跟法官有聯絡的情緒,我們一個省管有辦法一個省37億人\n383001\t386566\t這對我們婦人館長今年後半年來要來執行到我們公屋要來執行到社會福利這樣是要怎麼執行這樣可以這樣把我們關起來\n394980\t401142\t報告委員說老實話我們也覺得非常無奈大體通商的939億你說立法院選中央議員綜商不是每年才發生的綜商是每一年都發生但是那個額度都很小很小我們有辦法自己去調整你們有什麼問題你們可以比加強議員有什麼問題我主席對著我們今天的行政院我們這個中議省的解答案真的我們都很樂觀\n424989\t442015\t你看國會都在解凍,國會都在解凍,有沒有遇到什麼困難?有疑問的大家再研究討論對啊,我們也是希望說,因為這經費對於行政單位來說是非常重要的醫生對於行政單位來說,真的是非常要緊的所以我們知道說,醫生的重要性\n449358\t472826\t啊再加上我們會替中央政府消防衛生的重要性再加上我們地方管理政府的衛生的重要性這個道義在哪裡?這個公平性在哪裡?事實上我們中央政府對於地方政府事實上是大力支持所以如果加上您剛才提到的統籌分配本一般補助還有計劃型補助事實上我們編列的預算是總共加起來是超過一兆\n473866\t488093\t那個都是要來支持地方的那但是因為我們中央政府的預算被砍那麼多的情況之下而且有這麼一大筆的六百多億必須要自行參選的情況之下這個做老實話是不如奈 這是統三的過分啊統三的過分啊 是啊 是啊我們秘書長在說是統三的過分統三就是九百三十九億啊 統三是由我們國國會全體國際的基礎或是全體府間或是從府間內我們可以下去去參選\n503737\t508465\t不是說統三就是叫你們來統三管治政府的這個分科的款這樣我們管治政府再來後面的年度是要怎麼再繼續經營下去\n515878\t529511\t我知道這件事不是秘書長你可以有辦法做決定我還要推動政府歡迎給你們聽還有一人 不好意思 還有我花一兩分鐘的時間來 董委員剛才有在把我們秘書長提起的我們這個高中的產業研修這檔一掛十年的時候 那時候我們秘書長在做\n541002\t543305\t政府委員兼國會主任那時候是高中產業園區合併的時期我剛才聽到有院長和經濟局長討論盡快推動高中產業園區\n559713\t567855\t除了炸高中就要發電了炸高中就要發電在這30年你們學生管政府已經去招商都很好了都很好了產業也在進駐管政府也一直在開始在發表到我們這個產業園區的這個工程啊希望遇到一個選舉天災地變來一切天災天災平平全都不一樣的這個高中產業園區\n588854\t591435\t現在要變成那時候是九十幾個九十幾個做第一期讓我們婦人館政府環境就可以馬上進行現在說要一、兩個七十個開始進行推動我也是\n605839\t613926\t支持啦 我也是支持啦 既然社會已經煮成功了 我也是支持我們現在一兩百七十甲下去推動但是風勢 風勢要怎麼加快 要怎麼讓我們電影的發展會更快這就是要靠我們中央 我們行政院 我們經濟局 我們農業局來專利來跟我們合作啦 國 真正的\n630459\t637602\t現在年輕人有機會越來越少出外越多當我們故鄉的林考所越來越老年化年輕人的感覺在故鄉沒有機會這也不是你們想要看的也不是我們想期待的我們要把地方發生的事情要順便讓你們知道我們要替我們地方跟我們中央做一個溝通的橋樑希望我們過這個橋過到那邊下來的時候給你們的訊息希望你們可以\n659612\t659752\t謝謝主席\n","txt":"好,感謝主席,我剛才在單日就位才開始講好,這樣讓我們的秘書長休息一下我請我們的主計處旅處長跟我們行政院主計總處公務預算處的專門委員好,請兩位\n處長,地方公所的特殊單位是縣政府,所以他們的分配款是由縣政府分配給我們地方公所,對嗎?他們是在替我們地方公所做委員、學務的第一算,也替我們縣政府來做到郡鄉鎮的一個發展的一個規劃\n我們婦女館政府 國管局政府 他們的直屬單位就是中央立法院 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對嗎\n報告委員主委總書這邊跟您說明一下就是在我國的這個政府的體系裡面來講的話中央政府跟地方政府都是獨立的公法人都是獨立有民選去運作的所以地方政府雲林縣政府他本來就要依照地方制度法去\n去實施他的地方自治事項那地方自治事項該負擔的經費也要由雲林縣政府來負擔那只是說有時候可能在地方政府在裁員上面有所困難的時候所以他需要中央來做協助所以中央在預算裡面會編列補助款\n所以補助款只是說是地方政府的事情那我中央在財政上給予支援那這支援必須要看我中央的財政能力的狀況我可以支援到什麼狀況那理論上地方政府的該補關的錢你這樣說我們政府我們政府稅收的稅金我們就可以自己留著就好了是沒錯我們可以自己留著我們不用上繳中央國庫如果再依照這個財務法規定的地方稅當然是地方收地方去用沒錯\n只是裡面有一個統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統\n依靠你了\n我跟委員報告這個統籌分配稅款是可能就是從所得稅提撥出來或會務稅跟這個土地政治稅提撥出來你建議區議會讓我們分明管政府多少個統籌分配稅款是財政部負責他不編入我們中央政府的總預算不是我們主計處加不是是財政部負責的我們主計處這邊是代行政院在處理這個一般性補助款的部分一般性補助款的部分好這樣我就請我們基屬長\n因為中央政府的預算裡面是不包含統籌分配因為統籌分配他是按照公式所以公式訂了以後該給多少財政部就直接撥給了地方政府那一定是有預計說明年要多少要給地方多少今年就要預計好還是今年就要規劃好的啊\n因為投資分配款基本上它有一個公式它等到相關的一些稅的結果出來按照那個公式就知道說每一個縣市可以分配多少不是這樣啦我們那一年\n我們中央政府要構造我們地方的這個同儲分配款喔其實那當今一年就都計算好了是啊是啊當今一年計算好了是啊我們今年我們中央要給我們分離的同儲分配款總共是一百三十七億是\n一共有37億啦對啊 結果我們黨 我們這個中央政府我們整個的綜藝省我們將對這個統籌分配款將對在國際的綜藝省的股份我們一戶人都有去刪除到就是代表說可以順利讓我們中央教醫院一樣繼續構造我們地方的統籌分配款可以讓他們順利來執行到\n我們之前的一些學務甚至學歷也好結果今年我們婦人館政府不要說婦人館政府而已啦全國的國管制我們行政院主動給三點二十七點三二塊婦人館的薪三十七塊六塊喔三十七億六啦三十七億六啦\n我們要基礎建設,我們要照顧到我們這裡福利的,我們要跟法官有聯絡的情緒,我們一個省管有辦法一個省37億人\n這對我們婦人館長今年後半年來要來執行到我們公屋要來執行到社會福利這樣是要怎麼執行這樣可以這樣把我們關起來\n報告委員說老實話我們也覺得非常無奈大體通商的939億你說立法院選中央議員綜商不是每年才發生的綜商是每一年都發生但是那個額度都很小很小我們有辦法自己去調整你們有什麼問題你們可以比加強議員有什麼問題我主席對著我們今天的行政院我們這個中議省的解答案真的我們都很樂觀\n你看國會都在解凍,國會都在解凍,有沒有遇到什麼困難?有疑問的大家再研究討論對啊,我們也是希望說,因為這經費對於行政單位來說是非常重要的醫生對於行政單位來說,真的是非常要緊的所以我們知道說,醫生的重要性\n啊再加上我們會替中央政府消防衛生的重要性再加上我們地方管理政府的衛生的重要性這個道義在哪裡?這個公平性在哪裡?事實上我們中央政府對於地方政府事實上是大力支持所以如果加上您剛才提到的統籌分配本一般補助還有計劃型補助事實上我們編列的預算是總共加起來是超過一兆\n那個都是要來支持地方的那但是因為我們中央政府的預算被砍那麼多的情況之下而且有這麼一大筆的六百多億必須要自行參選的情況之下這個做老實話是不如奈 這是統三的過分啊統三的過分啊 是啊 是啊我們秘書長在說是統三的過分統三就是九百三十九億啊 統三是由我們國國會全體國際的基礎或是全體府間或是從府間內我們可以下去去參選\n不是說統三就是叫你們來統三管治政府的這個分科的款這樣我們管治政府再來後面的年度是要怎麼再繼續經營下去\n我知道這件事不是秘書長你可以有辦法做決定我還要推動政府歡迎給你們聽還有一人 不好意思 還有我花一兩分鐘的時間來 董委員剛才有在把我們秘書長提起的我們這個高中的產業研修這檔一掛十年的時候 那時候我們秘書長在做\n政府委員兼國會主任那時候是高中產業園區合併的時期我剛才聽到有院長和經濟局長討論盡快推動高中產業園區\n除了炸高中就要發電了炸高中就要發電在這30年你們學生管政府已經去招商都很好了都很好了產業也在進駐管政府也一直在開始在發表到我們這個產業園區的這個工程啊希望遇到一個選舉天災地變來一切天災天災平平全都不一樣的這個高中產業園區\n現在要變成那時候是九十幾個九十幾個做第一期讓我們婦人館政府環境就可以馬上進行現在說要一、兩個七十個開始進行推動我也是\n支持啦 我也是支持啦 既然社會已經煮成功了 我也是支持我們現在一兩百七十甲下去推動但是風勢 風勢要怎麼加快 要怎麼讓我們電影的發展會更快這就是要靠我們中央 我們行政院 我們經濟局 我們農業局來專利來跟我們合作啦 國 真正的\n現在年輕人有機會越來越少出外越多當我們故鄉的林考所越來越老年化年輕人的感覺在故鄉沒有機會這也不是你們想要看的也不是我們想期待的我們要把地方發生的事情要順便讓你們知道我們要替我們地方跟我們中央做一個溝通的橋樑希望我們過這個橋過到那邊下來的時候給你們的訊息希望你們可以\n謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.998 --> 00:27.201\n好,感謝主席,我剛才在單日就位才開始講好,這樣讓我們的秘書長休息一下我請我們的主計處旅處長跟我們行政院主計總處公務預算處的專門委員好,請兩位\n\n00:39.398 --> 00:51.729\n處長,地方公所的特殊單位是縣政府,所以他們的分配款是由縣政府分配給我們地方公所,對嗎?他們是在替我們地方公所做委員、學務的第一算,也替我們縣政府來做到郡鄉鎮的一個發展的一個規劃\n\n01:03.098 --> 01:05.742\n我們婦女館政府國管局政府他們的直屬單位就是中央立法院行政院他們的直屬單位是不是所以\n\n01:18.700 --> 01:34.811\n他們都替我們行政院當了解到地方的需求了解地方需要建設了解地方跟阿拉川省整個省下來向中央來告告到地方的需求來向中央來請出經費來替我們地方來建設還有當我們這個統籌分配款這也是過去一直以來就是都由中央來支付給我們管理政府的這也是正確的\n\n01:49.673 --> 02:02.091\n正確嗎正確當這次的綜藝省裡面我會記得當我們這個工作給我們地方的同儲分配款是一甲都沒有刪掉嗎對嗎\n\n02:06.195 --> 02:22.704\n報告委員主委總書這邊跟您說明一下就是在我國的這個政府的體系裡面來講的話中央政府跟地方政府都是獨立的公法人都是獨立有民選去運作的所以地方政府雲林縣政府他本來就要依照地方制度法去\n\n02:23.504 --> 02:38.525\n去實施他的地方自治事項那地方自治事項該負擔的經費也要由雲林縣政府來負擔那只是說有時候可能在地方政府在裁員上面有所困難的時候所以他需要中央來做協助所以中央在預算裡面會編列補助款\n\n02:40.647 --> 03:09.787\n所以補助款只是說是地方政府的事情那我中央在財政上給予支援那這支援必須要看我中央的財政能力的狀況我可以支援到什麼狀況那理論上地方政府的該補關的錢你這樣說我們政府我們政府稅收的稅金我們就可以自己留著就好了是沒錯我們可以自己留著我們不用上繳中央國庫如果再依照這個財務法規定的地方稅當然是地方收地方去用沒錯\n\n03:10.527 --> 03:11.028\n只是裡面有一個統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統統\n\n03:39.911 --> 03:40.453\n依靠你了\n\n03:42.533 --> 04:09.623\n我跟委員報告這個統籌分配稅款是可能就是從所得稅提撥出來或會務稅跟這個土地政治稅提撥出來你建議區議會讓我們分明管政府多少個統籌分配稅款是財政部負責他不編入我們中央政府的總預算不是我們主計處加不是是財政部負責的我們主計處這邊是代行政院在處理這個一般性補助款的部分一般性補助款的部分好這樣我就請我們基屬長\n\n04:16.429 --> 04:37.511\n因為中央政府的預算裡面是不包含統籌分配因為統籌分配他是按照公式所以公式訂了以後該給多少財政部就直接撥給了地方政府那一定是有預計說明年要多少要給地方多少今年就要預計好還是今年就要規劃好的啊\n\n04:38.252 --> 04:52.903\n因為投資分配款基本上它有一個公式它等到相關的一些稅的結果出來按照那個公式就知道說每一個縣市可以分配多少不是這樣啦我們那一年\n\n04:55.245 --> 04:59.627\n我們中央政府要構造我們地方的這個同儲分配款喔其實那當今一年就都計算好了是啊是啊當今一年計算好了是啊我們今年我們中央要給我們分離的同儲分配款總共是一百三十七億是\n\n05:10.872 --> 05:18.218\n一共有37億啦對啊結果我們黨我們這個中央政府我們整個的綜藝省我們將對這個統籌分配款將對在國際的綜藝省的股份我們一戶人都有去刪除到就是代表說可以順利讓我們中央教醫院一樣繼續構造我們地方的統籌分配款可以讓他們順利來執行到\n\n05:39.535 --> 05:46.758\n我們之前的一些學務甚至學歷也好結果今年我們婦人館政府不要說婦人館政府而已啦全國的國管制我們行政院主動給三點二十七點三二塊婦人館的薪三十七塊六塊喔三十七億六啦三十七億六啦\n\n06:02.366 --> 06:04.548\n我們要基礎建設,我們要照顧到我們這裡福利的,我們要跟法官有聯絡的情緒,我們一個省管有辦法一個省37億人\n\n06:23.001 --> 06:26.566\n這對我們婦人館長今年後半年來要來執行到我們公屋要來執行到社會福利這樣是要怎麼執行這樣可以這樣把我們關起來\n\n06:34.980 --> 06:41.142\n報告委員說老實話我們也覺得非常無奈大體通商的939億你說立法院選中央議員綜商不是每年才發生的綜商是每一年都發生但是那個額度都很小很小我們有辦法自己去調整你們有什麼問題你們可以比加強議員有什麼問題我主席對著我們今天的行政院我們這個中議省的解答案真的我們都很樂觀\n\n07:04.989 --> 07:22.015\n你看國會都在解凍,國會都在解凍,有沒有遇到什麼困難?有疑問的大家再研究討論對啊,我們也是希望說,因為這經費對於行政單位來說是非常重要的醫生對於行政單位來說,真的是非常要緊的所以我們知道說,醫生的重要性\n\n07:29.358 --> 07:52.826\n啊再加上我們會替中央政府消防衛生的重要性再加上我們地方管理政府的衛生的重要性這個道義在哪裡?這個公平性在哪裡?事實上我們中央政府對於地方政府事實上是大力支持所以如果加上您剛才提到的統籌分配本一般補助還有計劃型補助事實上我們編列的預算是總共加起來是超過一兆\n\n07:53.866 --> 08:08.093\n那個都是要來支持地方的那但是因為我們中央政府的預算被砍那麼多的情況之下而且有這麼一大筆的六百多億必須要自行參選的情況之下這個做老實話是不如奈這是統三的過分啊統三的過分啊是啊是啊我們秘書長在說是統三的過分統三就是九百三十九億啊統三是由我們國國會全體國際的基礎或是全體府間或是從府間內我們可以下去去參選\n\n08:23.737 --> 08:28.465\n不是說統三就是叫你們來統三管治政府的這個分科的款這樣我們管治政府再來後面的年度是要怎麼再繼續經營下去\n\n08:35.878 --> 08:49.511\n我知道這件事不是秘書長你可以有辦法做決定我還要推動政府歡迎給你們聽還有一人不好意思還有我花一兩分鐘的時間來董委員剛才有在把我們秘書長提起的我們這個高中的產業研修這檔一掛十年的時候那時候我們秘書長在做\n\n09:01.002 --> 09:03.305\n政府委員兼國會主任那時候是高中產業園區合併的時期我剛才聽到有院長和經濟局長討論盡快推動高中產業園區\n\n09:19.713 --> 09:27.855\n除了炸高中就要發電了炸高中就要發電在這30年你們學生管政府已經去招商都很好了都很好了產業也在進駐管政府也一直在開始在發表到我們這個產業園區的這個工程啊希望遇到一個選舉天災地變來一切天災天災平平全都不一樣的這個高中產業園區\n\n09:48.854 --> 09:51.435\n現在要變成那時候是九十幾個九十幾個做第一期讓我們婦人館政府環境就可以馬上進行現在說要一、兩個七十個開始進行推動我也是\n\n10:05.839 --> 10:13.926\n支持啦我也是支持啦既然社會已經煮成功了我也是支持我們現在一兩百七十甲下去推動但是風勢風勢要怎麼加快要怎麼讓我們電影的發展會更快這就是要靠我們中央我們行政院我們經濟局我們農業局來專利來跟我們合作啦國真正的\n\n10:30.459 --> 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這是統三的過分啊統三的過分啊 是啊 是啊我們秘書長在說是統三的過分統三就是九百三十九億啊 統三是由我們國國會全體國際的基礎或是全體府間或是從府間內我們可以下去去參選"},{"start":503.737,"end":508.465,"text":"不是說統三就是叫你們來統三管治政府的這個分科的款這樣我們管治政府再來後面的年度是要怎麼再繼續經營下去"},{"start":515.878,"end":529.511,"text":"我知道這件事不是秘書長你可以有辦法做決定我還要推動政府歡迎給你們聽還有一人 不好意思 還有我花一兩分鐘的時間來 董委員剛才有在把我們秘書長提起的我們這個高中的產業研修這檔一掛十年的時候 那時候我們秘書長在做"},{"start":541.002,"end":543.305,"text":"政府委員兼國會主任那時候是高中產業園區合併的時期我剛才聽到有院長和經濟局長討論盡快推動高中產業園區"},{"start":559.713,"end":567.855,"text":"除了炸高中就要發電了炸高中就要發電在這30年你們學生管政府已經去招商都很好了都很好了產業也在進駐管政府也一直在開始在發表到我們這個產業園區的這個工程啊希望遇到一個選舉天災地變來一切天災天災平平全都不一樣的這個高中產業園區"},{"start":588.854,"end":591.435,"text":"現在要變成那時候是九十幾個九十幾個做第一期讓我們婦人館政府環境就可以馬上進行現在說要一、兩個七十個開始進行推動我也是"},{"start":605.839,"end":613.926,"text":"支持啦 我也是支持啦 既然社會已經煮成功了 我也是支持我們現在一兩百七十甲下去推動但是風勢 風勢要怎麼加快 要怎麼讓我們電影的發展會更快這就是要靠我們中央 我們行政院 我們經濟局 我們農業局來專利來跟我們合作啦 國 真正的"},{"start":630.459,"end":637.602,"text":"現在年輕人有機會越來越少出外越多當我們故鄉的林考所越來越老年化年輕人的感覺在故鄉沒有機會這也不是你們想要看的也不是我們想期待的我們要把地方發生的事情要順便讓你們知道我們要替我們地方跟我們中央做一個溝通的橋樑希望我們過這個橋過到那邊下來的時候給你們的訊息希望你們可以"},{"start":659.612,"end":659.752,"text":"謝謝主席"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":427,"blocks":[["丁委員學忠：（10時21分）感謝主席，我等你就位才要開始說。讓秘書長休息一下，我請主計處呂處長跟行政院主計總處公務預算處的專門委員。"],["主席（張委員宏陸）：請兩位。"],["呂處長秋香：委員好。"],["丁委員學忠：處長好。地方公所的直屬單位是縣政府，所以他們的分配款是由縣政府分配給地方公所，對嘛？他們是在替地方公所做為民服務的第一線，也替我們縣政府來做本鄉鎮的發展規劃。我們雲林縣政府、各縣市政府的直屬單位就是我們的中央行政院，對嘛？所以他們都替行政院去了解地方的需求、地方需要的建設、地方要如何轉型增加產業，然後向中央報告地方的需求、向中央爭取經費、替我們地方來建設。","還有一點就是我們的統籌分配款，過去一直以來都是由中央來支付給我們縣市政府，這也是正確的嘛？"],["呂處長秋香：對。"],["丁委員學忠：正確啦！在這次的總預算裡面，我記得補助給地方的統籌分配款是一毛都沒刪，對嘛？"],["吳專門委員銘修：報告委員，主計總處這邊跟您說明一下。在我國的政府體系裡面來講的話，中央政府跟地方政府都是獨立的公法人，都是獨立由民選去運作的，所以地方政府雲林縣政府本來就要依照地方制度法去實施它的地方自治事項，那地方自治事項該負擔的經費也要由雲林縣政府來負擔，只是說有時候可能地方政府在財源上有所困難而需要中央的協助，所以中央在預算裡面會編列補助款。"],["丁委員學忠：我們每一年都有補助款嘛。"],["吳專門委員銘修：對，所以補助款的部分只是說是地方政府的事情，我中央在財政上給予支援，而這個支援必須要看我中央的財政能力狀況、我可以支援到什麼狀況。"],["丁委員學忠：不是這樣。"],["吳專門委員銘修：理論上地方政府該負擔的錢……"],["丁委員學忠：你這樣說，那我們地方政府收的稅金就可以自己留著就好了。"],["吳專門委員銘修：是，沒錯，地制法是規定……"],["丁委員學忠：我們可以自己留著，不用上繳中央國庫吧！"],["吳專門委員銘修：如果再依照財劃法規定的地方稅，當然是地方收、地方去用沒錯，只是裡面有一個……"],["丁委員學忠：縣市政府需要的，我們中央的分配款、統籌分配款是不是在前一年就都設定好了？"],["吳專門委員銘修：跟委員報告，統籌分配稅款就它的設計上來講，在地方稅以外有一些稅目，我們可能必須要由這些稅目來統籌出來，然後由財政部統籌分配給地方，例如所得稅……"],["丁委員學忠：這樣的話，依你們的規劃，今年給我們雲林縣政府的統籌分配款是多少？。"],["吳專門委員銘修：跟委員報告，這個統籌分配稅款可能就是從所得稅提撥出來，或貨物稅、土地增值稅提撥出來。"],["丁委員學忠：你們今年規劃給我們雲林縣政府是多少？"],["吳專門委員銘修：統籌分配稅款是財政部負責，不編入我們中央政府的總預算。"],["丁委員學忠：不是我們主計總處這裡負責？"],["吳專門委員銘修：不是，是財政部負責的，我們主計總處這邊是代行政院在處理一般性補助款的部分。"],["丁委員學忠：一般性補助款的部分？"],["吳專門委員銘修：對。"],["丁委員學忠：好，那我就請我們秘書長。"],["龔秘書長明鑫：報告委員，中央政府的預算裡面是不包含統籌分配，因為統籌分配是按照公式，所以公式訂了以後，該給多少，財政部就直接撥給地方政府，那一般性補助跟……"],["丁委員學忠：一定是有預備說明年要給地方多少，今年就要預備好還是今年就要規劃好的啊！一定是這樣。"],["龔秘書長明鑫：因為統籌分配款有一個公式，等到相關的一些稅目稅的結果出來，按照那個公式就知道每個縣市可以分配多少。"],["丁委員學忠：不是這樣啦！每一年中央政府要補助地方的統籌分配款，其實在上一年就都計算好了。"],["龔秘書長明鑫：是啊。"],["丁委員學忠：在上一年就計算好了。"],["龔秘書長明鑫：是。"],["丁委員學忠：今年中央要給我們雲林的統籌分配款總共是137億。"],["龔秘書長明鑫：是。"],["丁委員學忠：結果在中央政府整個總預算，針對這個統籌分配款、針對補助各縣市的預算部分，我們一塊錢都沒有刪除，這就代表可以順利讓中央照以往一樣繼續補助我們地方統籌分配款，可以讓他們順利去執行基層的服務，甚至是福利，結果今年我們雲林縣政府，不要說雲林縣政府而已，包括全國各縣市，我們行政院這邊自動刪減27.32%，雲林縣就減了37.6億。秘書長，我知道這不是你在決定的，但我也是要讓你知道，我們雲林是五級貧窮縣，我們要基礎建設，也要照顧到我們的這些福利，還要發公務人員的薪水，我們一個貧窮縣市有辦法一下子減了37.6億？這對我們雲林縣今年下半年要執行的公務、社會福利來說，這樣是要怎麼去執行？可以這樣把它刪掉嗎？"],["龔秘書長明鑫：報告委員，說老實話我們也覺得非常無奈。"],["丁委員學忠：對啊！你們說立法院刪中央預算……"],["龔秘書長明鑫：當大筆通刪了939億，然後636億……"],["丁委員學忠：統刪不是從今年才發生，統刪是每一年都有。"],["龔秘書長明鑫：是，但是那個額度都很小、很小，我們有辦法自己去調勻……"],["丁委員學忠：你們有什麼問題，你們可以追加減預算……"],["龔秘書長明鑫：但今天是六百多億，這個是沒辦法調勻的。"],["丁委員學忠：有什麼問題……我對今天行政院總預算的解凍案真的都很樂觀，你看各部會也都在解凍，有遇到什麼困難嗎？有疑問的，大家可以再研究、討論。"],["龔秘書長明鑫：是。"],["丁委員學忠：對啊！我們也是希望行政單位……因為這個經費對行政單位來說非常重要，預算對行政單位來說真的非常重要，所以我們知道預算的重要性，也替中央政府考慮到預算的重要性，結果我們地方縣市政府預算的重要性呢？這個道義在哪裡？這個公平性在哪裡？"],["龔秘書長明鑫：報告委員，我們中央政府對於地方政府事實上是大力支持的，加上您剛剛提到的統籌分配款、一般補助還有計畫型補助，事實上，我們編列的預算總共加起來是超過1兆，那都是要來支持地方的，但是因為我們中央政府的預算被砍那麼多的情況之下，而且有這麼一大筆、六百多億必須自行刪減的情況之下，說老實話是迫於無奈……"],["丁委員學忠：那是統刪的部分嘛，對不對？"],["龔秘書長明鑫：是啊、是啊。"],["丁委員學忠：我們秘書長在說的是統刪的部分。"],["龔秘書長明鑫：統刪的就是939億。"],["丁委員學忠：統刪是由我們各部會針對沒有必要的支出、針對浮編、重複編列，我們可以予以刪減，不是說統刪就是叫你們來統刪縣市政府的分配款，這樣我們縣市政府接下來的下半年度是要怎麼繼續經營下去？"],["龔秘書長明鑫：如果……"],["丁委員學忠：我知道這件事情不是秘書長有辦法做決定的，但我要替地方政府反映給你們知道。"],["龔秘書長明鑫：了解、了解。"],["丁委員學忠：不好意思，再給我一、兩分鐘的時間，不好意思。"],["主席（王委員美惠代）：好，丁委員，請。"],["丁委員學忠：剛才有跟我們秘書長提及褒忠產業園區，110年的時候秘書長是政務委員兼國發會主任委員，那時候就核定了褒忠產業園區。"],["龔秘書長明鑫：是。"],["丁委員學忠：我記得我剛剛上任的時候，有跟院長、經濟部長討論儘快來推動褒忠產業園區，其實很早就要發展褒忠了，110年你們就核准了，縣政府已經招商好了，產業也要進駐，縣政府也開始要發包這個產業園區的工程，結果突然遇到一個選舉、天災地變來，一切結果都不一樣了，這個褒忠產業園區現在就變成……那時候是九十幾甲去做第一期，等我們雲林縣政府完成環評就可以馬上下去執行，現在說要以270甲下去推動，我也是支持啦，既然生米已煮成熟飯了，我也是支持現在以270甲下去推動，但是這個方式要怎麼加快？要怎麼讓我們地方的發展可以更快速？這就要靠中央行政院、經濟部、農業部全力來協助我們，否則現在年輕人的就業機會愈來愈少，外出人口愈來愈多，我們故鄉的人口也愈來愈老年化，年輕人覺得在故鄉沒機會了，這也不是你們想看到的，也不是我們所期待的。我們要把地方發生的事情說明給你們知道，我們替地方跟中央做一個溝通的橋梁，希望我們過這麼高的橋，從這個橋下來的時候所給你們的訊息，你們可以給我們一個滿意的協助跟答案，這樣好不好？"],["龔秘書長明鑫：好。"],["丁委員學忠：秘書長，再拜託你了。"],["龔秘書長明鑫：好。"],["丁委員學忠：好，感謝主席，謝謝。"],["主席：感謝丁學忠委員質詢。","請蘇巧慧委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":140,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-15-22","speakers":["張宏陸","麥玉珍","李柏毅","高金素梅","黃捷","蘇巧慧","王美惠","張智倫","丁學忠","許宇甄","吳琪銘","牛煦庭","徐欣瑩","鄭天財Sra 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